1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

To address your point above about Nazis...
I'm sure everyone on this forum abhors the recent horrific history of the Jewish people. They were victims of the German Nazis who:

- hated them because they thought they were an inferior race

- based this hatred on their delusion of their race’s superiority;

- hated them because of their religion;

- cruelly discriminated against them because of that;

- seized their property and left them homeless;

- forced them to live in small, confined areas (concentration camps);

- indiscriminately killed their innocent men, women, and children.

...and I believe everyone on this forum is relieved that no group of people is doing that today.

As far as your second point, I’ll only ask you which terrorist group, Hamas or the Zionists, has, over the past 75 years, killed the most children?

Hamas are responsible for all the children's deaths.

Hamas are the only ones to deliberately and intentionally kill children .

If Hamas didn't deliberately kill Israeli children on Oct 7 th , then NO children would have died at all .

(BTW , please don't post that link again from the British surgeon who made claims about the IDF targeting different children's body parts with sniper fire on different days . The surgeon was Anti Israeli pro Palestinians and if you re thinking about posting link about Hind Rajab , then there's already thread running about that )

On 8/27/2026 at 11:36 AM, WDSmart said:

I think of socialism in the same way most of us think about family. Everyone contributes the best they can. Young children cannot contribute much, and someone in poor health can't either. In those cases, it's up to those who can contribute to do the best they can and provide for the needs of those that can't.

Kibbutz's in Israel have that sort of system .

All the members participate in work and the Kibbutz gives them all their needs

56 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas are responsible for all the children's deaths.

Hamas are the only ones to deliberately and intentionally kill children .

If Hamas didn't deliberately kill Israeli children on Oct 7 th , then NO children would have died at all .

(BTW , please don't post that link again from the British surgeon who made claims about the IDF targeting different children's body parts with sniper fire on different days . The surgeon was Anti Israeli pro Palestinians and if you re thinking about posting link about Hind Rajab , then there's already thread running about that )

I assume you’re saying Hamas is responsible for all the children’s deaths, not because they are the only ones killing children, but because their terrorist actions demand a response from the Zionists, and sometimes that includes killing children, but those deaths are unintentional.

If that’s the case, you could blame the deaths of children on both sides on any number of entities that have been the source of this conflict. The Nazis are one, the UK and UN are another, and even the Lord of the Jews, who, it is claimed, led them out of Egypt, across the desert, and into Canaan, where they then took the land from the Canaanites by force. And I’ll even bet there were a few children killed during that takeover.

The reason I’m citing all this is to challenge you on your belief that ALL the children killed by both sides, even only during the last five years, are Hamas’ fault. If the Zionists really did not want to kill any children, they could just pack up and leave the area, giving it all back to the Palestinians. But, of course, they aren’t going to do that, and one of the results of that is their killing of children, whether that be intentional or unintentional.

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I think of socialism in the same way most of us think about family. Everyone contributes the best they can. Young children cannot contribute much, and someone in poor health can't either. In those cases, it's up to those who can contribute to do the best they can and provide for the needs of those that can't.

Kibbutz's in Israel have that sort of system .

All the members participate in work and the Kibbutz gives them all their needs

Well, finally! If you think this type of system is good, then we’ve found something we can agree on. 👍

13 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I assume you’re saying Hamas is responsible for all the children’s deaths, not because they are the only ones killing children, but because their terrorist actions demand a response from the Zionists, and sometimes that includes killing children, but those deaths are unintentional.

If that’s the case, you could blame the deaths of children on both sides on any number of entities that have been the source of this conflict. The Nazis are one, the UK and UN are another, and even the Lord of the Jews, who, it is claimed, led them out of Egypt, across the desert, and into Canaan, where they then took the land from the Canaanites by force. And I’ll even bet there were a few children killed during that takeover.

The reason I’m citing all this is to challenge you on your belief that ALL the children killed by both sides, even only during the last five years, are Hamas’ fault. If the Zionists really did not want to kill any children, they could just pack up and leave the area, giving it all back to the Palestinians. But, of course, they aren’t going to do that, and one of the results of that is their killing of children, whether that be intentional or unintentional.

OK, I am not going to have yet another discussion about Children .

I have spent way too much of my life talking about Palestinian children already.

Your side always draws me into a discussion about children , and i will no longer participate .

42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

OK, I am not going to have yet another discussion about Children .

I have spent way too much of my life talking about Palestinian children already.

Your side always draws me into a discussion about children , and i will no longer participate .

If only that was true, your go to blame for all child deaths in the OPT, see below.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas are responsible for all the children's deaths.

Hamas are the only ones to deliberately and intentionally kill children .

If Hamas didn't deliberately kill Israeli children on Oct 7 th , then NO children would have died at all .

(BTW , please don't post that link again from the British surgeon who made claims about the IDF targeting different children's body parts with sniper fire on different days . The surgeon was Anti Israeli pro Palestinians and if you re thinking about posting link about Hind Rajab , then there's already thread running about that )

18 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

If only that was true, your go to blame for all child deaths in the OPT, see below.

Jeff mate , I do know what I wrote 1 hour go , you really don't need to tell me .

I subsequently decided not to continue with that repetative discussion

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

To address your point above about Nazis...
I'm sure everyone on this forum abhors the recent horrific history of the Jewish people. They were victims of the German Nazis who:

- hated them because they thought they were an inferior race

- based this hatred on their delusion of their race’s superiority;

- hated them because of their religion;

- cruelly discriminated against them because of that;

- seized their property and left them homeless;

- forced them to live in small, confined areas (concentration camps);

- indiscriminately killed their innocent men, women, and children.

...and I believe everyone on this forum is relieved that no group of people is doing that today.

As far as your second point, I’ll only ask you which terrorist group, Hamas or the Zionists, has, over the past 75 years, killed the most children?

hamas and their ideological allies

6 hours ago, WDSmart said:

The reason I’m citing all this is to challenge you on your belief that ALL the children killed by both sides, even only during the last five years, are Hamas’ fault.

You are making a slight mistake:

Above all, the prerequisite for any successful and constructive debate is a common denominator, a shared logic, or better yet, a common understanding of justice—but also the mutual capacity to perceive reality and accept facts.

This is simply not possible between normal-thinking people with a functioning sense of morality and Zionists.

These people live in a reality where, no matter what happens, they will always be the victim acting solely out of self-defense, yet always just and guided by moral principles, while their opponents are fundamentally the despicable perpetrators who follow base instincts or a religious death cult and want to wipe out what is good.

And no matter what happens in this conflict and what atrocities are committed by them, everything without exception must be interpreted in such a way that their status as victims is proven anew each time.

In doing so, they neither stop at the most hair-raising mental gymnastics nor at repeating completely absurd statements over and over until people believe them—and if their atrocities are so obvious that they can simply no greater be denied, then they say, 'Don't bother me with that, I've heard enough of it.'

For nearly eight decades, with then help of western media and politicians these people have been used to getting away with absolutely everything, with the most hideous crimes, without any consequences.

So why should they engage in a discussion about good and evil?

14 hours ago, Somjot said:

You are making a slight mistake:

Above all, the prerequisite for any successful and constructive debate is a common denominator, a shared logic, or better yet, a common understanding of justice—but also the mutual capacity to perceive reality and accept facts.

This is simply not possible between normal-thinking people with a functioning sense of morality and Zionists.

These people live in a reality where, no matter what happens, they will always be the victim acting solely out of self-defense, yet always just and guided by moral principles, while their opponents are fundamentally the despicable perpetrators who follow base instincts or a religious death cult and want to wipe out what is good.

And no matter what happens in this conflict and what atrocities are committed by them, everything without exception must be interpreted in such a way that their status as victims is proven anew each time.

In doing so, they neither stop at the most hair-raising mental gymnastics nor at repeating completely absurd statements over and over until people believe them—and if their atrocities are so obvious that they can simply no greater be denied, then they say, 'Don't bother me with that, I've heard enough of it.'

For nearly eight decades, with then help of western media and politicians these people have been used to getting away with absolutely everything, with the most hideous crimes, without any consequences.

So why should they engage in a discussion about good and evil?

A timely reminder of why the indigenous people of Palestine carry so much anger.

Israel is roughly the size of Wales, and we can reliably say that, although the figures are likely much larger depending on what is counted, around 70,000 Palestinian homes, commercial buildings and other properties were taken into state custody following the 1948 war. In many cases, these were properties that had been owned by Palestinian families for generations.

The process of trying to address that historic injustice is then labelled “terrorism”, even though some of the incoming refugees themselves had previously turned to armed violence in their struggle to drive out the British and establish the new state.

And yet there is a constant temptation to discuss 1948 as though it were Year Zero.

No. Not on my watch. Not ever. This is in the DNA of the Israeli settlers but it's only now the whole world is waking up to what they do.

Many Palestinians will fight to the last man standing. Because justice and revenge matter more than life. And Hamas for all their sins never hung British army hostages like dogs in the olive groves of Tel Aviv.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair

From that point time was critical for the Irgun group; it was clearly a matter of time before SHAI—and the British—were informed that Irgun were moving possible bodies. They drove east to a eucalyptus grove near the village of Even Yehuda, about four km from Netanya. They hung the bodies from two adjacent trees and pinned notes to them which read:

Two British spies held in underground captivity since July 12 have been tried after the completion of the investigations of their "criminal anti-Hebrew activities" on the following charges: Illegal entry into the Hebrew homeland. Membership of a British criminal terrorist organisation known as the Army of Occupation which was responsible for the torture, murder, deportation, and denying the Hebrew people the right to live. Illegal possession of arms. Anti-Jewish spying in civilian clothes. Premeditated hostile designs against the underground. Found guilty of these charges they have been sentenced to hang and their appeal for clemency dismissed. This is not a reprisal for the execution of three Jews but a "routine judicial fact."^[3]

An anti-personnel mine was then set.^[17] Most accounts say that this was buried below the bodies, where it would have targeted anyone cutting them down.

22 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Many Palestinians will fight to the last man standing.

How about you ?

Will you fight until there's no one left standing ?

Edited September 1Sep 1 by Nick Carter icp

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

How about you ?

Will you fight until there's no one left standing ?

Their country , their fight up to them.

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Their country , their fight up to them.

Why is it on your watch then ?

What does it have to do with you ?

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why is it on your watch then ?

What does it have to do with you ?

Or you for that matter. Why anything ?

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Or you for that matter. Why anything ?

Why is it on your "watch "

Its not on my watch

On 8/31/2026 at 3:43 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas are responsible for all the children's deaths.

Hamas are the only ones to deliberately and intentionally kill children .

If Hamas didn't deliberately kill Israeli children on Oct 7 th , then NO children would have died at all .

This is a textbook comment to once again demonstrate the hair-raising mental gymnastics and the complete, total denial of reality by Zionists.

They casually claim that Hamas bears sole responsibility for the death of every single child in this conflict, using the stellar logic that if Hamas hadn't attacked on October 7th, all the Palestinian children killed over the last three years would still be alive.

If the author of those lines could just briefly indulge in a little thought experiment:

Imagine you are in Thailand, you park your car perfectly legally by the roadside, and sit down in a nearby café to enjoy a cappuccino. Suddenly, another vehicle comes speeding along and smashes right into your parked car, totaling both vehicles and severely injuring the driver—who is visibly dead drunk.

You pay for your coffee, rush over to the crash site, and a Thai police officer calmly explains that you are financially responsible for both the damage to the drunk driver's car and his medical bills.

The reasoning? Well, if you hadn't come to Thailand, the accident wouldn't have happened.

I have a sneaking suspicion that our resident Zionist, much like all the others, wouldn't exactly accept that logic.

But then again, that is the beauty of their mental gymnastics—it strictly operates as a one-way street that only ever runs in their favor.

On 8/31/2026 at 3:43 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

(BTW , please don't post that link again from the British surgeon who made claims about the IDF targeting different children's body parts with sniper fire on different days . The surgeon was Anti Israeli pro Palestinians and if you re thinking about posting link about Hind Rajab , then there's already thread running about that )

By the way, it wasn't just a single British surgeon who observed Palestinian children being shot in various parts of their bodies on different days.

There were numerous independent witnesses who confirmed this, and it has since been thoroughly documented by human rights organizations.

And as for Hind Rajab, after two and a half years of steadfast denial, the Israeli government finally admitted she was executed by IDF soldiers—promptly adding that they see absolutely no need for any further investigation.

Because, of course, murdering children is only an atrocity when the other side does it.

Another trick of the Zionists perfectly demonstrated here is to completely ignore well-founded, historically documented criticism of Israel or the actions of Zionist terrorist organizations and instead, to launch personal attacks against the critic and bombard them with ridiculous questions that only target the individual and have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict.

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

How about you ?

Will you fight until there's no one left standing ?

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why is it on your watch then ?

What does it have to do with you ?

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why is it on your "watch "

Its not on my watch

By doing this, their goal is to confuse, rattle, and intimidate critics while simultaneously deflecting from the actual topic.

They have become so predictable and their ridiculous attempts to deflect from the atrocities of their terror state are so obvious that even a blind person can read the confession between the lines: "We are guilty. We are the perpetrators. We are the monsters. We would just never admit it. Because we are Israelis. Our lease on the role of the eternal victim is nowhere near expired."

And the sad part is, they don’t even realize it.

Flame post removed @Yagoda rule 9. You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages. You will respect other members and post in a civil manner. Personal attacks, insults or hate speech posted on the forum or sent by private message are not allowed.

1. The Jewish Talmudic Rule:

2. The phrase comes from the Aramaic saying ha-ba le-horgekha, hashkem le-horgo.

3. The meaning is: "If someone comes to kill you, wake up early and kill him first."

   Like i have said many times in many posts, Israelis and Jews don't hate muslims and Palestinians, while on the other side, the opposite is that they, wish for all jews and Israelis to perish, be destroyed and die and their land taken for muslims and Palestinians, and if this is how they wish it to be, than Israel isn't going anywhere.

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

1. The Jewish Talmudic Rule:

2. The phrase comes from the Aramaic saying ha-ba le-horgekha, hashkem le-horgo.

3. The meaning is: "If someone comes to kill you, wake up early and kill him first."

   Like i have said many times in many posts, Israelis and Jews don't hate muslims and Palestinians, while on the other side, the opposite is that they, wish for all jews and Israelis to perish, be destroyed and die and their land taken for muslims and Palestinians, and if this is how they wish it to be, than Israel isn't going anywhere.

Yes : Muslims can freely walk around Israel wearing a Kaffiyeh and full Islamic clothes with no reaction and no consequences .

A Jew walking around Palestine wearing a Kippah would get lynched on sight

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Yes : Muslims can freely walk around Israel wearing a Kaffiyeh and full Islamic clothes with no reaction and no consequences .

A Jew walking around Palestine wearing a Kippah would get lynched on sight

There is no State of Palestine, only Occupied Territories

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

There is no State of Palestine, only Occupied Territories

Jeff, you know what and where I Imean .

I am talking about the situation there, rather than what its called :)

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Jeff, you know what and where I Imean .

I am talking about the situation there, rather than what its called :)

Yes of course I do, Israel is a State of peace and understanding of all its inhabitants, no matter what religious faith they follow.

I believe you, thousands wouldn't.

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Yes of course I do, Israel is a State of peace and understanding of all its inhabitants, no matter what religious faith they follow.

I believe you, thousands wouldn't.

Muslims can walk around Israel with ho consuqences .

Jews cannot walk around Gaza or they will get attacked

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Muslims can walk around Israel with ho consuqences .

Jews cannot walk around Gaza or they will get attacked

I walked all around Jericho, Bethlehem and the underground market in Jerusalem without being attacked.

In Jericho, where we had been advised to avoid as dangerous, the Palestinians were surprisingly friendly and helpful.

And getting lost looking for the church of the Nativity near Bethlehem, we stopped to ask a Palestinian for directions, he jumped in our car (much fear, no common language), and directed us by pointing, then wouldn't accept any money when we arrived.

Edited September 2Sep 2 by BritManToo

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Muslims can walk around Israel with ho consuqences .

Jews cannot walk around Gaza or they will get attacked

For what its worth nobody can walk around Gaza without being attacked.

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I walked all around Jericho, Bethlehem and the underground market in Jerusalem without being attacked.

In Jericho, where we had been advised to avoid as dangerous, the Palestinians were surprisingly friendly and helpful.

You aren't a Jew though and you didn't go to Gaza and theres no underground market in Jerusalem either

Edited September 2Sep 2 by Nick Carter icp

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

For what its worth nobody can walk around Gaza without being attacked.

Pre 2023 war, Muslim could walk round Gaza without being attacked

A slight change in direction and this article sees things from a different perspective..............

"A growing number of former Israeli generals, intelligence officials and prime ministers are accusing settlers in the West Bank of committing ethnic cleansing with government support. “Once a society behaves this way,” one said, “that society is doomed.”

Major General Eyal Ben-Reuven spent his life fighting for Israel. He survived the Arab-Israeli War of 1973, when his platoon was nearly wiped out, then went on to command a division in the West Bank and lead Israel’s ground forces in the 2006 war against Hezbollah.

But in recent months, he has returned to the Israeli-occupied West Bank, touring the territory with retired generals and former Israeli officials like himself. He has walked through the remains of a Palestinian school looted by Israeli settlers, and listened to Palestinian shepherds and farmers describe being tortured by settlers who seize their livestock and land.

Now Ben-Reuven says he has an entirely different understanding of the risks facing Israel today.

“This, what the settlers are doing here, is the real threat to Israel,” he said, his eyes welling with emotion. “This is more concerning to me than Iran, Gaza or Lebanon.”

Other former high-ranking Israeli officials touring the West Bank with him shared the same indignation.

“This is ethnic cleansing, to put it simply,” Ephraim Sneh, a retired brigadier general and former minister of health, said of Israeli settlers’ attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank".

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/these-generals-fought-for-israel-now-they-see-jewish-terrorism-as-the-threat/premium/KA7D36ZZBZBG7MWGI4YDZ6D3K4/

 

47 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You aren't a Jew though and you didn't go to Gaza and theres no underground market in Jerusalem either

I purchased a white t-shirt with Yassar Arafat, and the traditional black and white scarf in the underground market. The Palastinian selling them from his stall was very amused.

Not sure how they could tell if I were a Jew or not, I did have to borrow a kipper for my head when I posted a message to god in the wailing wall.

Edited September 2Sep 2 by BritManToo