39 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I respect that you admit it is faith. We have no disagreement there. But common sense is subjective. What seems obvious to you may not seem obvious to someone else.

Nobody can prove or disprove a creator. But we can say there is no proof for a specific creator with specific intentions.

I have to stop you on one point. The Bible does refer to other gods, yet says there is only one true God. If there were more than one creator, why couldn’t creation and evolution be the work of more than one?

And you still haven’t answered my question. It is not about whether there is a creator. It is about your specific belief in that God, under those specific terms and with that level of conviction.

Last but not least: Your claim that all believers feel much the same falls under one of the flaws of the human mind, in my opinion. Not only is it a belief, but it is also supported by psychology and neuroscience.

I believe in one God, and have all along. Nothing has changed my thinking and actually with all the bad things that go on in the world, see this world as slowly coming to an end, and soon. Again, if there were more than one God, or he had help, this would surely have been written about over time. I don't know exactly how all believers believe, but that they do believe in the one God, for whatever reasons brought them to their personal beliefs. None of us knows all of why this world happened, only that we'll all know when we die.

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I believe in one God, and have all along. Nothing has changed my thinking and actually with all the bad things that go on in the world, see this world as slowly coming to an end, and soon. Again, if there were more than one God, or he had help, this would surely have been written about over time. I don't know exactly how all believers believe, but that they do believe in the one God, for whatever reasons brought them to their personal beliefs. None of us knows all of why this world happened, only that we'll all know when we die.

Again, you shift to explaining your personal belief instead of answering the point I raised. That is your choice, but it still does not explain why you believe there can only be one God.

Many religions describe more than one god, and the Hebrew Bible also contains traces of older beliefs involving other gods and divine beings. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all come from the same Abrahamic root and later centred their faith on one God, even though they developed different understandings of him.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Again, you shift to explaining your personal belief instead of answering the point I raised. That is your choice, but it still does not explain why you believe there can only be one God.

Many religions describe more than one god, and the Hebrew Bible also contains traces of older beliefs involving other gods and divine beings. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all come from the same Abrahamic root and later centred their faith on one God, even though they developed different understandings of him.

I've always been a Christian, although Catholic learned for awhile. Yes, there are many religions, all man made, which say there are many gods. If there were more than one God, we would again see some sort of competition I would think. All trying to outdo the others. God's first commandment warns against this type of thinking, as he's a jealous God, and only wants what's best for us. Not to fall into a trap praying to idols.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I've always been a Christian, although Catholic learned for awhile. Yes, there are many religions, all man made, which say there are many gods. If there were more than one God, we would again see some sort of competition I would think. All trying to outdo the others. God's first commandment warns against this type of thinking, as he's a jealous God, and only wants what's best for us. Not to fall into a trap praying to idols.

Believing that God will fix everything is not very different from believing that one politician will fix all your problems. In both cases, people can hand over responsibility, ignore contradictions, and keep believing because they want the answer to be true. Faith may give comfort, but comfort is not proof.

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Believing that God will fix everything is not very different from believing that one politician will fix all your problems. In both cases, people can hand over responsibility, ignore contradictions, and keep believing because they want the answer to be true. Faith may give comfort, but comfort is not proof.

God isn't in the same category of lying, promising everything politicians.

People can choose to believe or not, as he gave us free will, which shows him our faith. Believers would love to see proof, as it would ease their minds. We all have some doubts but won't stray from our belief. Faith relies on conviction instead of proof.

It's human nature to question things. Remember the saying. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see.

If God can make the universe from his mind, think of more he could accomplish.

This reminds me of the Ten Commandments movie, and a good final words from Ramses........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdzFUQ3Tt1k&t=1s.

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

God isn't in the same category of lying, promising everything politicians.

People can choose to believe or not, as he gave us free will, which shows him our faith. Believers would love to see proof, as it would ease their minds. We all have some doubts but won't stray from our belief. Faith relies on conviction instead of proof.

It's human nature to question things. Remember the saying. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see.

If God can make the universe from his mind, think of more he could accomplish.

We know that tribal thinking and confirmation bias shape politics, ideology and religion. Tribal thinking is also important for progress, especially in tough times, and even in good times. When people have too many options, they are all over the place, and that can cost society a lot. But being a free man, with a free mind, is sometimes better than being a slave to thoughts that are not even natural for humans. I give you that, but it does not serve the intellect, to be honest.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

This is the video of the monk...............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7cR_v5u59M&t=1s

Yeah, you're living in a Buddhist country and claiming Buddha is in Hell.

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, you're living in a Buddhist country and claiming Buddha is in Hell.

It's not my story. I don't judge anyone. That's God's deal.

In closing, I think we all can agree on 2 things:

a) Death is unpopular. To think that our short time on earth will end up in "nothingness" is hard to accept for us earthlings.

b) Remedy: Invent a religin that promesses "afterlife". The ultimate comfort, something to look foreward to. Giving life "sense".

- What are the most "successful" religions? = The ones that promess "afterlife". Paradise if possible. Religions, not equipped with this promess are far less popular, if not to say "negligeable".

To me, the greatest PR concept ever dreamed up by human brains. Dwarfing all PR concepts of modern day "marketing divisions" of the largest companies of the world.

= Death stinks. So, let's invent religions.

10 hours ago, swissie said:

In closing, I think we all can agree on 2 things:

Are you feeling confident that you will get the last word?