2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Quote from @Stiddle Mump ......

"The most notable pathogen is the mysterious virus. And it is the insistence by the Germ Theorists that viruses exist, that is mostly at the centre of debate. After all; no virus - no use for vaccines. So, it is important for the whole $$$ chabang to keep rolling along, that viruses do indeed exist".

Try telling that there is no such thing as a virus to the thousands suffering and dying from Ebola in Africa, or the relatives and families of those who have died from the likes of Polio or Smallpox, for example. I'm sure that there is an asylum a special place for people like you!

Not saying people don't die.

However! IMO, more probably from dirty water. Contaminated food. Unclean air. Or more likely toxicity. From local industries, that have a habit of pumping their waste products, untreated, into the environment. And maybe just as likely; medical interventions, from the west's medical $$$ industry, such as vaccines.

There is no such thing as a virus. Backing a losing horse there Sir.

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Don't listen to those internet ghouls that you have never met. You have no idea of what drives them, how they profit, what caused their logic to fail.....

Just say NO!

Given up debating, have we Sir.

When all else fails; go to war silly-billy posts.

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

Try telling that there is no such thing as a virus to the thousands suffering and dying from Ebola in Africa

Yeah, or these guys should try spending some time in remote areas in Africa completely unvaccinated if they are so convinced all vaccines are useless.

And send us a postcard.

35 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What a load of nonsense that post was.

To the first highlighted point. The data shows that vaccines did not do anything but increase the incidence of the problems. www.dissolvingillusions.com

The second bolded passage is simply a lie. Don't know where you lifted that garbage from, but, let me tell you, they are lying. No virus has ever been found, isolated and purified. Either one from nature or a petri dish.

The mighty Oak Tree was once a small acorn that refused to by swept away.

QED!

Covid is NOT over.

We just need to take our double doses of covid AND flu vacccines this winter and let covid take care of the deniers!

As covid survivor Biden warned, unvaccinated Americans (and nons) face

“a winter of severe illness and death”

57 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What a load of nonsense that post was.

To the first highlighted point. The data shows that vaccines did not do anything but increase the incidence of the problems. www.dissolvingillusions.com

The second bolded passage is simply a lie. Don't know where you lifted that garbage from, but, let me tell you, they are lying. No virus has ever been found, isolated and purified. Either one from nature or a petri dish.

The mighty Oak Tree was once a small acorn that refused to by swept away.

You say “No virus has ever been found, isolated and purified.”

That's an extraordinary claim. So here's the simple question:

What evidence would you accept that a virus exists?

Because we can isolate viruses, visualise them with electron microscopy and sequence their genomes. If none of that counts as evidence, then this isn't scientific scepticism. You've simply decided in advance what evidence you're prepared to accept.

And quoting a website (which BTW – is ironically labelled as unsafe with a viral source warning) that agrees with you doesn't make the claim true.

As for the oak-tree analogy:

An acorn doesn't become an oak by repeating the claim that it will.

And a hypothesis doesn't become a fact by repeating it either.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Marcus Zervos thinks the study showing vaccinated children have more illnesses than unvaccinated ones

What a surprise... one of the study authors defends his study!

His bosses disagreed with him. Maybe they should have fired him for shoddy work.

And then there's this from Wayne State University:

Wayne State University School of Medicine’s Assistant Dean of Global Affairs Marcus Zervos, M.D. ’79, is among more than 30 COVID-19 vaccine researchers nationwide who teamed up to detail the final results of a study showing that the vaccine remains safe and effective against the virus more than five months after it is given.

Also don't overlook this:

It was called the "Impact of childhood vaccination on short and long-term chronic health outcomes and children, a birth cohort study," and it began in 2017 at the behest of a nonprofit anti-vaccine advocacy organization known as the Informed Consent Action Network, or ICAN, according to testimony presented earlier this month to a U.S. Senate subcommittee.

Don't forget that nonprofit DOES NOT imply nonpartisan or unbiased.

Isn't one of your complaints about many medical studies that the funding is provided by an INTERESTED PARTY?

59 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Given up debating, have we Sir.

Any semblance of a 'debate' disappeared when it became clear that your terrain theory group decided that no real work needed to be done to prove that viruses don't exist. Their task is to simply running the same tests that the virologists run and show verified and contradicting results.... Your detractors have done the work and your team hasn't. Put Up or Shut Up.... bring the results of ALL that work that your 'internet ghouls' have done to the debate.

36 minutes ago, kwilco said:

You say “No virus has ever been found, isolated and purified.”

That's an extraordinary claim. So here's the simple question:

What evidence would you accept that a virus exists?

Because we can isolate viruses, visualise them with electron microscopy and sequence their genomes.

Sorry to tell you Sir. You are badly informed. If your sources say they have found, isolated and purified a virus; then they are telling porkies. Lying in other words.

My group has research hundreds of papers that say they have isolated a virus. On reading the methodology of these papers it is obvious that they have done no such thing.

This all goes back to 1954 and Enders' measles experiments. Virologists are simply well-paid pseudoscientists.

Edited September 13Sep 13 by Stiddle Mump

Dr. Rumak is on the BORED of Directors :

• Dr. Elizabeth Nabel, former Director of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) at the NIH — Joined Moderna’s Board of Directors.

• Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former FDA Commissioner — Joined Board of Pfizer to promote vaccines on TV during pandemic.

• Dr. Stephen Hahn, former FDA Commissioner — Became Chief Medical Officer at Flagship Pioneering, the venture capital firm that launched Moderna.

• Sir Jonathan Van-Tam, former UK Deputy Chief Medical Officer and member of the Vaccine Task Force — Appointed as Senior Medical Consultant at Moderna.

• Dr. Jeremy Farrar, former Director of the Wellcome Trust — Appointed as Chief Scientist at the World Health Organization (WHO).

• Dr. Søren Brostrøm, Director General of the Danish Health Authority — Elected to the Executive Board of the World Health Organization.

• Dr. Moncef Slaoui, former Chief Scientist of Operation Warp Speed — Previously served as an executive at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and as a Board member at Moderna.

• Dr. Julie Gerberding, former CDC Director — Became President of Merck Vaccines, later serving as CEO of the Foundation for the National Institutes of Health.

• Dr. Luciana Borio, former FDA Acting Chief Scientist and member of the Biden COVID-19 Advisory Board — Became a Partner at ARCH Venture Partners, a firm heavily invested in biotech.

• Dr. Patrizia Cavazzoni, former Director of the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER) — Appointed as Chief Medical Officer at Pfizer.

• Dr. Peter Marks, former Director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) — Appointed Senior Vice President for Molecule Discovery and Head of Infectious Diseases at Eli Lilly.

This revolving-door network erases the line between public health stewardship and corporate profiteering — a deeply embedded conflict of interest that undermines both trust and safety. It’s time to seal shut the Revolving Door of Corruption.

xx 🤣

Edited September 13Sep 13 by rumak

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Any semblance of a 'debate' disappeared when it became clear that your terrain theory group decided that no real work needed to be done to prove that viruses don't exist. Their task is to simply running the same tests that the virologists run and show verified and contradicting results.... Your detractors have done the work and your team hasn't. Put Up or Shut Up.... bring the results of ALL that work that your 'internet ghouls' have done to the debate.

As I have said before Sir. Is it not up to those making the claim to provide the evidence? If a virus ecists'show the evidence that it does.

So simple. Yet you can't understand it?

Edited September 13Sep 13 by Stiddle Mump

13 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As I have said before Sir. Is it not up to those making the claim to provide the evidence? If a virus ecists'show the evidence that it does.

I recall you making the claim a virus doesn't exist ever since you joined under this new username. I don't recall you ever provided evidence for it.Maybe I missed it, so can you provide the link?

53 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As I have said before Sir. Is it not up to those making the claim to provide the evidence? If a virus ecists'show the evidence that it does.

Reams of evidence.... since decades ago... and only denials and idiolization of 19th century work from you... LOL. You're out of your league.

Edited September 13Sep 13 by gamb00ler

33 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

I recall you making the claim a virus doesn't exist ever since you joined under this new username. I don't recall you ever provided evidence for it.Maybe I missed it, so can you provide the link?

If i made a claim that elephants are responsible for rain. Which I can by the way. Or that there are unicorns in my back garden. You would ask me for evidence.

It would not be sensible for me to to retort back; prove they don't. Same with viruses.

1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

Reams of evidence.... and only denials from you... LOL. You're out of your league.

There is NO evidence at all.

Too much MSM for you Sir.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

There is NO evidence at all.

Too much MSM for you Sir.

it's simple... follow the details of the Ender's experiment and disprove its results. Should be a cake walk for the omniscient internet ghouls © who have you completely befuddled. No arm flailing and dismissive hand waves allowed... show some real effort with actual results.

Here's where you start:

The precise scientific methodology and cellular observation details were originally published by Enders and Peebles in their seminal 1954 paper in the Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine titled "Propagation in Tissue Cultures of Cytopathogenic Agents from Patients with Measles."

Edited September 13Sep 13 by gamb00ler

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is NO evidence at all.

Too much MSM for you Sir.

a lot arm flailing and denials gets you nowhere.... you need to show that the evidence of viruses existence is wrong.. you have to show where everyone else has gone wrong.

On 9/11/2026 at 4:05 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

I reckon it is a good thing to keep in mind that vaccines by-pass the body defence mechanisms.

You should have spent your time actually learning useful information such as how to prevent, recognize and treat glaucoma than listening to the internet ghouls©.

2 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

it's simple... follow the details of the Ender's experiment and disprove its results. Should be a cake walk for the omniscient internet ghouls © who have you completely befuddled. No arm flailing and dismissive hand waves allowed... show some real effort with actual results.

Back in the day in England, pre 2000, I had a copy of Enders paper. It's not that long as it goes. Enders was, IMO, a white-coat who did somewhat believe his research was honest. Perhaps?!

If one reads the paper it is obvious that he did not isolate, or try to, let alone purify, any virus. I don't even think it was filtered. He did however do a control. Thums up for that. In the summary he said the end result, of both experiments, yielded the same result. And said that the experiments needed more investigation.

This was all a godsend to the virologists, who latched onto the method of growing cultures in petri dishes. Prior to Enders, the method - of proving a virus - was injecting pulp into monkey's brains. If the monkey died, it was proof the virus did it. If the monkey got sick, or paralysed, it was again evidence of a virus. The control part of the experiment was sidelined after 1954. And even now is not considered in any of these virus finding experiments. Why? Think we all know why.

Nature rules. OK!

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Marcus Zervos thinks the study showing vaccinated children have more illnesses than unvaccinated ones

What a surprise... one of the study authors defends his study!

It would be helpful to you if you actually watched the documentary, or at least asked for a comprehensive AI summary of it, before talking about its content.

Zervos didn't "defend" anything, he simply read and acknowledged the results of the study, based on his expertise and experience.

Bigtree challenged Zervos – a staunch vaccine advocate – to run a robust, retrospective study comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children using Henry Ford Health's massive patient database. Zervos agreed to the study with the explicit intent of proving Bigtree and vaccine critics wrong, and committed to publish the results no matter what, as he was certain of what they would be. He was stunned to see that the study actually showed higher rates of chronic illness among the vaccinated cohort… but as he has actual scientific integrity, he recognised it even if it wasn't what he wanted to see… though he chickened out on his promise to publish, nervously confessing to Bigtree that it would cost him his career.

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

His bosses disagreed with him.

Of course they did, there is a multi-billion industry at stake. Don't tell me you're naive enough to believe they wouldn't have published it if the results had been as Zervos expected them to be… It would have been disseminated all over the place, "Antivaxxer Del Bigtree proved wrong by his own study", etc.

Edited September 13Sep 13 by rattlesnake

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Don't tell me you're naive enough to believe they wouldn't have published it if the results had been as Zervos expected them to be… It would have been disseminated all over the place, "Antivaxxer Del Bigtree proved wrong by his own study", etc.

Of course I wouldn't waste my time telling you to believe anything about which you've already decided. The upstairs concrete hardened a long time ago.

Edited September 13Sep 13 by gamb00ler

4 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Covid is NOT over.

We just need to take our double doses of covid AND flu vacccines this winter and let covid take care of the deniers!

As covid survivor Biden warned, unvaccinated Americans (and nons) face

“a winter of severe illness and death”

Ah, the good old days when the unvaccinated were deadly bioterrorists who were going to die anyway, much to the glee of the multi-jabbed…

3 hours ago, rumak said:

Dr. Rumak is on the BORED of Directors :

• Dr. Elizabeth Nabel, former Director of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI) at the NIH — Joined Moderna’s Board of Directors.

• Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former FDA Commissioner — Joined Board of Pfizer to promote vaccines on TV during pandemic.

• Dr. Stephen Hahn, former FDA Commissioner — Became Chief Medical Officer at Flagship Pioneering, the venture capital firm that launched Moderna.

• Sir Jonathan Van-Tam, former UK Deputy Chief Medical Officer and member of the Vaccine Task Force — Appointed as Senior Medical Consultant at Moderna.

• Dr. Jeremy Farrar, former Director of the Wellcome Trust — Appointed as Chief Scientist at the World Health Organization (WHO).

• Dr. Søren Brostrøm, Director General of the Danish Health Authority — Elected to the Executive Board of the World Health Organization.

• Dr. Moncef Slaoui, former Chief Scientist of Operation Warp Speed — Previously served as an executive at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and as a Board member at Moderna.

• Dr. Julie Gerberding, former CDC Director — Became President of Merck Vaccines, later serving as CEO of the Foundation for the National Institutes of Health.

• Dr. Luciana Borio, former FDA Acting Chief Scientist and member of the Biden COVID-19 Advisory Board — Became a Partner at ARCH Venture Partners, a firm heavily invested in biotech.

• Dr. Patrizia Cavazzoni, former Director of the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER) — Appointed as Chief Medical Officer at Pfizer.

• Dr. Peter Marks, former Director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) — Appointed Senior Vice President for Molecule Discovery and Head of Infectious Diseases at Eli Lilly.

This revolving-door network erases the line between public health stewardship and corporate profiteering — a deeply embedded conflict of interest that undermines both trust and safety. It’s time to seal shut the Revolving Door of Corruption.

Have you read "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre?

Weird Science 1985

1 hour ago, johng said:

Weird Science 1985

Do you think our babies will be good looking?

16 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Sorry to tell you Sir. You are badly informed. If your sources say they have found, isolated and purified a virus; then they are telling porkies. Lying in other words.

Words are cheap.... let's see the results that are required justification for the words.

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Ah, the good old days when the unvaccinated were deadly bioterrorists who were going to die anyway, much to the glee of the multi-jabbed…

and sadly some are:

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/09/13/health/measles-death-pennsylvania

13 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

f one reads the paper it is obvious that he did not isolate, or try to, let alone purify, any virus. I don't even think it was filtered. He did however do a control. Thums up for that. In the summary he said the end result, of both experiments, yielded the same result. And said that the experiments needed more investigation.

LOL.... I think you skipped a lot of the paper and focused on only a few phrases that fit your obsession.

Here's the full text of the paper. Obviously since you're so familiar with it you can quickly find the precise sections that provide the basis for your interpretation:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.3181/00379727-86-21073

On 9/11/2026 at 5:02 PM, rattlesnake said:

He made a bet with a scientist to prove him wrong and show that vaccinated kids were healthier. The study was finished in 2020 but never published. When Del Bigtree finally saw it on hidden camera, the results were shocking — vaccinated children were 2.5 times more likely to have chronic disease. The scientist admitted it was a good and important study but said publishing it would end his career.

18 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

What a surprise... one of the study authors defends his study!

14 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Zervos didn't "defend" anything, he simply read and acknowledged the results of the study, based on his expertise and experience.

So when Zervos claimed "it was a good study" ..... you don't consider that a defense of the study?

I think you better stick to French.