2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I put myself in God's shoes in my own imagination.

Well, it is true that it's God's to judge us, but the teachings from Jesus have also said this.

Remember what the criminals said to Jesus as he was crucified next to him?

The first man, Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!" This man joined the crowd in insulting Jesus and demanded proof of his power.

The second man........"Don't you fear God... since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong"."Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom".This man admitted his guilt, defended Jesus, and asked for mercy. Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise".

1 minute ago, khaosokman said:

You got brainwashed as a child. Believing fake stories as true. Kind of sad.

No, I learned the truth as a child. Brainwashing doesn't work with everyone. Extreme conditions create compliance through fear rather than true mental reprogramming. I was never forced to do anything besides my chores. When I became an adult, I saw what I learned made sense. Most of the rest of the world agrees.

24 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, of course.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Well, it is true that it's God's to judge us, but the teachings from Jesus have also said this.

Remember what the criminals said to Jesus as he was crucified next to him?

The first man, Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!" This man joined the crowd in insulting Jesus and demanded proof of his power.

The second man........"Don't you fear God... since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong"."Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom".This man admitted his guilt, defended Jesus, and asked for mercy. Jesus replied, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise".

This reminds me of an old joke, "I prayed for months to God and asked him for a new bike." But of course it does not work that way so i stole a bike and asked god to forgive me!

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I learned the truth as a child. Brainwashing doesn't work with everyone. Extreme conditions create compliance through fear rather than true mental reprogramming. I was never forced to do anything besides my chores. When I became an adult, I saw what I learned made sense. Most of the rest of the world agrees.

Most people are not christians. The catholic church is full of scandals.

The brainwashing that happened to you was strong. You believe in fairytales.

Maybe all gods are aliens that visited us in the distant past... go Georgio go!

Lies in Bible

Textual critics have documented thousands of variations and internal inconsistencies across the biblical text. These are typically the result of multiple authors writing at different times or copyist errors over centuries of hand-transcription.

5 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Most people are not christians. The catholic church is full of scandals.

The brainwashing that happened to you was strong. You believe in fairytales.

Most people believe in God. The Catholic church, as well as all others, have had scandals because some use religions wrong. Again, seeing you missed it earlier. I wasn't brainwashed but taught. It's always been up to me what I believed. Anyone who thinks the universe and all the things in it came from nothing is living a fantasy, and all will find out when they pass. Some of us will be prepared.

6 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Lies in Bible

Textual critics have documented thousands of variations and internal inconsistencies across the biblical text. These are typically the result of multiple authors writing at different times or copyist errors over centuries of hand-transcription.

If you would read that link I posted, you would see what is said about this.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you would read that link I posted, you would see what is said about this.

All made up stories. As an adult you should unbrainwash yourself. Use some logic.

1 hour ago, Crossy said:

As an atheist I'm looking forward to meeting Toby!

Did you not intend to post "Thank God" in front of the above?

Thank God! As an atheist I'm looking forward to meeting Toby! 😀

30 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

All made up stories. As an adult you should unbrainwash yourself. Use some logic.

I see you're comprehension skills are still lacking. What you believe in is actually a fallacy. No future in it.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

I see you're comprehension skills are still lacking. What you believe in is actually a fallacy. No future in it.

You believe in fairytales. Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine

Moses parted the sea. Noah built an ark. All bs.

3 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

You believe in fairytales. Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine

Moses parted the sea. Noah built an ark. All bs.

I could say truthfully that it's you that does so. Again, to you and a few others who aren't aware of the truth or common sense its BS. To the rest of the world it's what is. You'll find out when you pass, and then it might be too late.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I could say truthfully that it's you that does so. Again, to you and a few others who aren't aware of the truth or common sense its BS. To the rest of the world it's what is. You'll find out when you pass, and then it might be too late.

I see you are a lost soul. Brainwashed so bad. Oh well.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Most people believe in God. The Catholic church, as well as all others, have had scandals because some use religions wrong. Again, seeing you missed it earlier. I wasn't brainwashed but taught. It's always been up to me what I believed. Anyone who thinks the universe and all the things in it came from nothing is living a fantasy, and all will find out when they pass. Some of us will be prepared.

Will you be carrying when you go to heaven? You know,love thy neighbor and all that?

Most people do not believe in God, most people believe in a God!

i always found it extremely ignorant to be told by people their religion is the only true one.

You can't all be right but you can all be wrong!

Science has proven the bible to be bs

• Cosmology & Earth's Age: Empirical findings show the universe is ~13.8 billion years old and Earth is ~4.5 billion years old. A literal 6-day creation timeline contradicts geological, radiometrical, and astronomical evidence.

• Biology & Evolution: Genetics and fossil records demonstrate that life evolved over billions of years through natural selection, contradicting a literal reading of human creation from dust in a single day.

• Global Catastrophes: Geological strata reveal no evidence of a single, simultaneous global flood that covered all mountains within human history, though localized regional flooding occurred in ancient Mesopotamia.

Great to see Susan is back to stalking and trolling Freddie again in full force, complete with a serving of the usual AI slop.

9 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

God doesn't approve of any things man does against man, and he has his commandments to show this. There is no evidence of no God, but the realization of life itself points to a creator with a plan. None of us was alive back then so the only things we can go by are written words and those passed down, which cannot be disproven. Errors do come from man's writings in all of them, as humans have faults.

OK, I’ll bite.

Do you consider god to be good and just?

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

No, a lot of stuff in the Bible makes no sense.

"Jesus died for your sins" doesn't mean anything. It's absolute meaningless nonsense. It makes no sense. It's gibberish. It's not something anyone can practically apply in their lives. It's just used as fear-mongering.

And preaching this stuff has the inverse effect. It actually makes MORE people want to be ATHEIST.

Briefly, What the Bible says is that Christ made a once for all perfect sacrifice for sin on Calvary. If you truly believe in Christ, accept him as your saviour, repent of your sins and confess them to God then your sins are forgiven and you are saved. That is broadlythe story of the Bible.

The Catholic Church and a few others have their own versions.

You asked a question stf so in my understanding that is the answer.

Not sure but someone who supposedly died then came back to life after 3 days is someone who went on vacation.

12 minutes ago, saintdomingo said:

Briefly, What the Bible says is that Christ made a once for all perfect sacrifice for sin on Calvary. If you truly believe in Christ, accept him as your saviour, repent of your sins and confess them to God then your sins are forgiven and you are saved. That is broadlythe story of the Bible.

The Catholic Church and a few others have their own versions.

You asked a question stf so in my understanding that is the answer.

Most Westerners are familiar with this.

I am suggesting this narrative may have been relevant to a specific group of people 2000 years ago for political reasons, but has no relevance to anyone today.

Why did Jesus appear 2000 years ago? Why not 50,000 years ago or last week?

But the bible claims humans were made by god 6000 years ago when blacks existed in Africa many thousands of years ago.

The bible was written by nitwits for nitwits. It was the Harry Potter of the day.

Maybe it all comes down to faith - you either have it or you don't.

I was raised as a Christian, sang in a church choir, attended "Sunday school" and agree with many of the Christian teachings and morals. But, I don't need a deep purpose in life and I don't give a damn about what happened before or what happens after my brief existence. I don't need a god and therefore I don't need faith.

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On 9/17/2026 at 6:09 PM, swissie said:

Believers of the world make up your minds!

The Hindus and the Buthists do everything not to be reborn after death. Aiming for an absolute state of "nothingness".

Islamists and Christians do everything to be reborn. The ones hoping to lounge around in paradise, the other ones hoping for "frolicking around" with 72 virgins.

One of the 2 "after life" convictions must be wrong. That means, that half of the believers of the world will be dissapointed.

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A sobering thaught, isn't it ?

Christ is King.

That post is the usual half-baked “gotcha” that treats every religion like a competing vacation brochure and then declares half the tourists will be disappointed.

It collapses under its own weight the second you stop treating theology like a menu.

Christians do not “do everything to be reborn.”
We are not chasing another go-round on the hamster wheel.
We confess the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

One death, one judgment, one eternal state - either with the risen Christ or separated from Him.
That is not reincarnation, and it is not “nothingness.”

The body that dies is raised incorruptible.
Heaven is not a lounge or a harem; it is the presence of the living God who made us.

The “72 virgins” caricature is Islamic folklore that some Muslims emphasize and others downplay; it is not Christian doctrine in any form.

Hindus and Buddhists seeking escape from rebirth into an absolute state of cessation (moksha/nirvana) are aiming at the opposite of Christian hope.

One path treats existence itself as the problem to be dissolved. The other treats the problem as sin and death, solved by the God who entered His own creation, died, and rose again so that death would not have the last word.
Those are not two flavors of the same afterlife. They are mutually exclusive claims about reality.

Only one can be true. That is not a bug; that is the nature of truth.
The Christian claim is not that “our paradise is nicer.”
It is that Jesus of Nazareth walked out of the tomb, appeared to hundreds, and that His resurrection is the firstfruits of what is coming for those who belong to Him.

If that happened, then the escape-into-nothingness project is a tragic misreading of the human condition.

If it did not happen, then Christianity collapses and we are of all men most to be pitied.
The apostolic preaching never offered a polite middle ground.

So the disappointment line cuts both ways.
Either the resurrection is real, or it is not.

Half-hearted “all paths are valid” rhetoric does not change the fact that corpses either stay dead or they do not.

Christ claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life - not one option among many cosmologies.

Believe Him or do not.
But do not pretend the claims are interchangeable vacation packages.

5 hours ago, khaosokman said:

Science has proven the bible to be bs

• Cosmology & Earth's Age: Empirical findings show the universe is ~13.8 billion years old and Earth is ~4.5 billion years old. A literal 6-day creation timeline contradicts geological, radiometrical, and astronomical evidence.

• Biology & Evolution: Genetics and fossil records demonstrate that life evolved over billions of years through natural selection, contradicting a literal reading of human creation from dust in a single day.

• Global Catastrophes: Geological strata reveal no evidence of a single, simultaneous global flood that covered all mountains within human history, though localized regional flooding occurred in ancient Mesopotamia.

'Empirical findings' my ass
'Evolution' my ass
'Global Catastrophes' inc. your birth

7 hours ago, khaosokman said:

You believe in fairytales.

'Big Bang' & 'Evolution'.

There's no fool like an old fool!

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Hinduism is an incredibly deep religion...

The idea of achieving realization through spiritual practice, meditation, inner reflection, beneficial work for humanity, and merit.

Sounds gay.
Also worth pointing out that they eat dung, play with <deleted> and believe cow piss is an aphrodisiac.
GROSS.

13 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Sounds gay.
Also worth pointing out that they eat dung, play with <deleted> and believe cow piss is an aphrodisiac.
GROSS.

It's okay, nobody can convince another person to believe in spirit or a higher order of things, just your very statement that it sounds gay demonstrates exactly where your consciousness is at.

9 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

OK, I’ll bite.

Do you consider god to be good and just?

Look at what he created and you'll see, first at the good things we enjoy on earth. That many can't enjoy them from diseases, narcissism or depression shows there must be another place waiting, for forever instead of the usual 85 or so years. Yes, there are way too many evil and unnecessary things here, but again if it's but a test it makes sense. Take his side, enjoy a forever with him, or turn your back and only enjoy your 85 or so years and then nothing. I question it all myself and get angry also, but when you're comparing a short time to forever, it doesn't compare.

8 hours ago, khaosokman said:

Why did Jesus appear 2000 years ago? Why not 50,000 years ago or last week?

But the bible claims humans were made by god 6000 years ago when blacks existed in Africa many thousands of years ago.

The bible was written by nitwits for nitwits. It was the Harry Potter of the day.

It might have things that aren't exact but that happens when humans write things down, even if some were helped by God himself. 6 days for creation don't necessarily have to be 6 days like we know them. if God was always here, 6 days to him might be thousands of years to us. Not everything has to be as we interpret them, but as he sees fit, as it's his creation and we as humans in our thinking can't come close.