9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Most Westerners are familiar with this.

I am suggesting this narrative may have been relevant to a specific group of people 2000 years ago for political reasons, but has no relevance to anyone today.

Does that mean you had to follow God's laws back then but it's okay not to now because we're in the modern day? Watch The Passion of the Christ and see what he went through for us.

5 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

'Big Bang' & 'Evolution'.

There's no fool like an old fool!

Well you said it.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

It might have things that aren't exact but that happens when humans write things down, even if some were helped by God himself. 6 days for creation don't necessarily have to be 6 days like we know them. if God was always here, 6 days to him might be thousands of years to us. Not everything has to be as we interpret them, but as he sees fit, as it's his creation and we as humans in our thinking can't come close.

So the bible is all bs but you believe in it. No different to Harry Potter.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Does that mean you had to follow God's laws back then but it's okay not to now because we're in the modern day? Watch The Passion of the Christ and see what he went through for us.

That's a movie with a fake storyline.

9 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

So the bible is all bs but you believe in it. No different to Harry Potter.

That's a movie with a fake storyline.

The Bible is true as far as the New Testament is concerned with evidence found and eyewitnesses passing down information from a relatively new era. the Old Testament is harder to prove for that reason, although some evidence has been found although some are theological narratives. The main ideas of what the Bible share are what's important, as in most books , especially a book written over centuries.

Again, it's your opinions based on being brainwashed by those with closed minds and little common sense. What you believe in is a man apart from God, which place could be taken by any other man with some ideas. Many follow because of peaceful ideas that don't include God, although all ideas are a creation by God through man.

As far as the Passion of the Christ, Jesus had many followers not so long ago who passed on what happened when he was alive. Adding the devil and demon child are additions, which could be real but were there for emphasis on what Jesus went through. Other things are from that time period.

Edited Friday at 11:49 PM2 days by fredwiggy

Was Moses a real person?

• Lack of Extra-Biblical Evidence: No ancient Egyptian records, inscriptions, or archaeological findings mention Moses, the Ten Plagues, or a massive migration of over a million enslaved Israelites across the Sinai Peninsula.

• Literary Composition: The books detailing his life (Exodus through Deuteronomy) were codified centuries after the events they describe—roughly between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE—by multiple authors combining oral traditions, national myths, and religious laws.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The Bible is true as far as the New Testament is concerned with evidence found and eyewitnesses passing down information from a relatively new era. the Old Testament is harder to prove for that reason, although some evidence has been found although some are theological narratives. The main ideas of what the Bible share are what's important, as in most books , especially a book written over centuries.

Again, it's your opinions based on being brainwashed by those with closed minds and little common sense. What you believe in is a man apart from God, which place could be taken by any other man with some ideas. Many follow because of peaceful ideas that don't include God, although all ideas are a creation by God through man.

All fake dude.

• Claims about miracles, virgin births, or divinity cannot be verified using the scientific or historical method. Historians can verify that early Christians believed these things happened, but the claims themselves fall outside historical analysis into the realm of theology and faith.

Oh look, another installment of the Susan and Freddie bickering show. I've got my popcorn ready and am eager to see both you girls turn this into another 5 pages of inane drivel that nobody else cares to read. Carry on...

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Does that mean you had to follow God's laws back then but it's okay not to now because we're in the modern day? Watch The Passion of the Christ and see what he went through for us.

The Orthodox Jewish folks are following "God's laws" and they're getting themselves kicked out of Thailand.

And you are delusional if you think the average person has Jesus on their mind 24/7.

Most people cannot relate to a guy getting his ass whooped on a cross 2000 years ago.

7 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Was Moses a real person?

• Lack of Extra-Biblical Evidence: No ancient Egyptian records, inscriptions, or archaeological findings mention Moses, the Ten Plagues, or a massive migration of over a million enslaved Israelites across the Sinai Peninsula.

• Literary Composition: The books detailing his life (Exodus through Deuteronomy) were codified centuries after the events they describe—roughly between the 8th and 5th centuries BCE—by multiple authors combining oral traditions, national myths, and religious laws.

AI, like many times, is a confluence of facts and opinions, and the truth can be a part of these additions. This link, if read shows another side, so it's all a matter of who or what you believe, until more evidence that is factual comes to light.Truth in AI is often statistical rather than absolute. An AI determines what is true based on the patterns and frequency of information it has analyzed, meaning its version of truth can shift as new data is introduced.

Because human language is deeply intertwined with perspective, culture, and values, AI frequently processes and mirrors subjective viewpoints, societal biases, and shifting consensus..........https://www.britannica.com/biography/Moses-Hebrew-prophet

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

AI, like many times, is a confluence of facts and opinions, and the truth can be a part of these additions. This link, if read shows another side, so it's all a matter of who or what you believe, until more evidence that is factual comes to light.Truth in AI is often statistical rather than absolute. An AI determines what is true based on the patterns and frequency of information it has analyzed, meaning its version of truth can shift as new data is introduced.

Because human language is deeply intertwined with perspective, culture, and values, AI frequently processes and mirrors subjective viewpoints, societal biases, and shifting consensus..........https://www.britannica.com/biography/Moses-Hebrew-prophet

All fake stories, all with excuses why their are many inconsistent stories.

If somebody wrote a book on the human body with 3000 errors people would say it's a terrible book. Well the bible has 3000 errors but Christians claim it's god's word.

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The Orthodox Jewish folks are following "God's laws" and they're getting themselves kicked out of Thailand.

And you are delusional if you think the average person has Jesus on their mind 24/7.

Most people cannot relate to a guy getting his ass whooped on a cross 2000 years ago.

Non believing countries go by their own beliefs. I've never been delusional in my life, preferring to go by facts, evidence, personal experience and in this regard, faith also. No one know what anyone else is thinking ever, so guessing what anyone is thinking is only a guess, and not the reality.

Believers think about God a lot of the time, although not constantly, as it's the most important thing we have in this life, being a temporary existence in a hate drenched world full of evil. God gives us hope for a better future, and without him all you have left is this world and how it is, and for many it's hell on earth, mainly because of other humans influence but also because of things that are negative already, such as diseases, mosquitoes, viruses and venomous and dangerous animals. Jesus is always there in the conscience, as it's what we're all about.

Thinking otherwise sees humans as just a passing thing with no reality other than whet we see in our short time on earth.

Just now, khaosokman said:

All fake stories, all with excuses why their are many inconsistent stories.

If somebody wrote a book on the human body with 3000 errors people would say it's a terrible book. Well the bible has 3000 errors but Christians claim it's god's word.

When it's all proven fake, which will never happen, then people might change their minds, but what you and other atheists say isn't going to influence anyone, so is a waste of your and other's time. You're prone to gross exaggerations, such as the now 3000 statement, so your credibility has always been low. You can go on and on until eternity, and no one will take it seriously as believers far out number non believers.

14 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I've known all this from childhood. That it's the truth also. Your opinion is different. You believe in praying to a man. We pray to God. God lets us go by faith.

"I've known all this from childhood."

That is the key to unlocking the mystery of why you would believe such silliness.

I'm not saying you shouldn't believe it, up to you.

But when you try to argue that it is a rational belief you are gonna get push back.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

When it's all proven fake, which will never happen, then people might change their minds, but what you and other atheists say isn't going to influence anyone, so is a waste of your and other's time. You're prone to gross exaggerations, such as the now 3000 statement, so your credibility has always been low. You can go on and on until eternity, and no one will take it seriously as believers far out number non believers.

It is all fake. No proof of any miracles from the bible. You were sadly brainwashed into the cult. I grew out of it.

19 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Oh look, another installment of the Susan and Freddie bickering show. I've got my popcorn ready and am eager to see both you girls turn this into another 5 pages of inane drivel that nobody else cares to read. Carry on...

Try calling someone you know a girl in person and see how that works out for you. Your additions to this public forum are always one sided drivel that amount to nothing positive, in all your usernames, besides your attacks on certain people.

If you cannot understand a topic and need to add negativity to it, that's what a troll does. if you're bored with it, scroll to another topic. I'll argue with anyone I please, until they get nasty and then I'll stop. Carry on.....

It's simply appalling that the only way the disease of religion can propagate is to brainwash small children. What is taught as a truth at that time can be very hard to unlearn.

Physics, chemistry, maths and so on are taught in later years in school. Suppose the teaching of religion were delayed until that time. Virgin births, talking animals, the sun created after the earth, reincarnation... the "teachers" would be laughed out of the room, and religion would disappear in a generation.

And it gets much worse:

https://www.edge.org/conversation/nicholas_humphrey-what-shall-we-tell-the-children

2 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

It is all fake. No proof of any miracles from the bible. You were sadly brainwashed into the cult. I grew out of it.

Now I see that you're still acting the same ways as always, assuming what others lives have been, so go to another, as your opinions again mean nothing. You believe what you want to believe, and we will as believers will also.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Non believing countries go by their own beliefs. I've never been delusional in my life, preferring to go by facts, evidence, personal experience and in this regard, faith also. No one know what anyone else is thinking ever, so guessing what anyone is thinking is only a guess, and not the reality.

Believers think about God a lot of the time, although not constantly, as it's the most important thing we have in this life, being a temporary existence in a hate drenched world full of evil. God gives us hope for a better future, and without him all you have left is this world and how it is, and for many it's hell on earth, mainly because of other humans influence but also because of things that are negative already, such as diseases, mosquitoes, viruses and venomous and dangerous animals. Jesus is always there in the conscience, as it's what we're all about.

Thinking otherwise sees humans as just a passing thing with no reality other than whet we see in our short time on earth.

There are no facts in the bible, just made up stories. You go by faith because you were brought up that way and never questioned the stories. Homo sapiens have been around for 315,000 plus years but the bible claims 6,000 years. With an error like that only faith would keep you believing in such a book.

Just now, novanova said:

It's simply appalling that the only way the disease of religion can propagate is to brainwash small children. What is taught as a truth at that time can be very hard to unlearn.

Physics, chemistry, maths and so on are taught in later years in school. Suppose the teaching of religion were delayed until that time. Virgin births, talking animals, the sun created after the earth, reincarnation... the "teachers" would be laughed out of the room, and religion would disappear in a generation.

And it gets much worse:

https://www.edge.org/conversation/nicholas_humphrey-what-shall-we-tell-the-children

And there still isn't any proof God doesn't exist, so it's what's called a stalemate, which leave people to believe what they want, and not to listen to others who disagree with their beliefs. Thinking all scientists are right in their theories is brainwashing. Adults can take what they learned and make their own minds up.

When a person is forced to learn a certain way, such as some are, it is very hard to change, but teaching isn't forced learning but spreading ideas, which can be believed or not believed.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

When it's all proven fake, which will never happen, then people might change their minds, but what you and other atheists say isn't going to influence anyone, so is a waste of your and other's time. You're prone to gross exaggerations, such as the now 3000 statement, so your credibility has always been low. You can go on and on until eternity, and no one will take it seriously as believers far out number non believers.

An agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of God, the divine, or the ultimate nature of reality is unknown or inherently unknowable.

Everyone should be cause we don't know much at all.

10 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

"I've known all this from childhood."

That is the key to unlocking the mystery of why you would believe such silliness.

I'm not saying you shouldn't believe it, up to you.

But when you try to argue that it is a rational belief you are gonna get push back.

If you cannot disprove things and are only going by other's opinions yourself, it isn't silliness. No amount of pushing back by non believers will change our minds, so it's best to not waste your time.

3 minutes ago, novanova said:

It's simply appalling that the only way the disease of religion can propagate is to brainwash small children. What is taught as a truth at that time can be very hard to unlearn.

Physics, chemistry, maths and so on are taught in later years in school. Suppose the teaching of religion were delayed until that time. Virgin births, talking animals, the sun created after the earth, reincarnation... the "teachers" would be laughed out of the room, and religion would disappear in a generation.

And it gets much worse:

https://www.edge.org/conversation/nicholas_humphrey-what-shall-we-tell-the-children

As a kid like 6 yrs old I went to Sunday school at the church. My sister tells me the story of how I wasn't believing the crazy stories they were telling. My parents were religious but not go to church religious.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

If you cannot disprove things and are only going by other's opinions yourself, it isn't silliness. No amount of pushing back by non believers will change our minds, so it's best to not waste your time.

All the bible stories have been proven fake. You won'tchange your mind cause you believed lies for 60 years and don't want to address it.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

If you cannot disprove things and are only going by other's opinions yourself, it isn't silliness. No amount of pushing back by non believers will change our minds, so it's best to not waste your time.

"it's best to not waste your time."

I think I can agree with this.

I'm not going on others opinions.

As Groucho put it your claims amount to you saying:

"Who you gonna believe? Me or your own eyes?"

OK.

As the cool cats say

Peace, Out.

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Try calling someone you know a girl in person and see how that works out for you. Your additions to this public forum are always one sided drivel that amount to nothing positive, in all your usernames, besides your attacks on certain people.

If you cannot understand a topic and need to add negativity to it, that's what a troll does. if you're bored with it, scroll to another topic. I'll argue with anyone I please, until they get nasty and then I'll stop. Carry on.....

Oh Freddie, I love it when you get hussy. Meanwhile, sorry to disturb you while you’re so deeply squabbling with the site’s resident troll, who has at least 10 known user accounts. Alas, I came for the humor, but I stay for your emotional outbursts. I even switched over to caramel flavored popcorn for this special occasion. Please do carry on along that rocky road.

31 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

God gives us hope for a better future, and without him all you have left is this world and how it is, and for many it's hell on earth, mainly because of other humans influence but also because of things that are negative already, such as diseases, mosquitoes, viruses and venomous and dangerous animals.

I haven't come across too many venomous snakes, apart from the girls on Walking Street. But I know how to handle them.

If you're living in Gaza, you're in Hell. But for the rest of us, Hell is mostly fleeting moments of hard times maybe, but then it becomes a self-imposed psychological state of mind.

I recommend you put away your Bible and Mel Gibson and watch The Twilight Zone instead.

Twilight Zone episode about a jazz musician is "A Passage for Trumpet" (Season 1, Episode 32), which originally aired on May 20, 1960. [1, 2]

Episode Details

• The Plot: Jack Klugman stars as Joey Crown, a struggling, down-on-his-luck alcoholic trumpet player. After getting rejected for a gig and pawning his trumpet for quick cash, a respondent Joey steps in front of a moving truck.

• The Twist: He wakes up on the street, but nobody can see or hear him. Believing he has died, he meets a mysterious, friendly trumpeter named Gabe (played by John Anderson) in a back alley.

• The Meaning: Gabe counsels Joey and gives him a second chance to choose life over despair, reminding him of his worth before he snaps back to reality.

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you cannot disprove things and are only going by other's opinions yourself, it isn't silliness. No amount of pushing back by non believers will change our minds, so it's best to not waste your time.

This is of course a waste of time - hoping that a person plainly brainwashed beyond repair will review facts and change their point of view - but here goes.

It's been many years since "prove a not" (in this case, prove that god does not exist) has been shown to be silly. Sound thinkers go for "prove so-and-so is the case", and if no one can, the matter either on stand-by awaiting more facts (say, quantum mechanics or dark matter) or put in the bin (say, astrology or reincarnation).

Here is why "prove there is no god" is silly.

"Prove that pink elephants exist"...the means by which that can done is simple - produce one for inspection.

"Prove that pink elephants do not exist" cannot be done - true believers will tell us that we need to look in caves, underwater, on a planet revolving around Alpha Centauri etc.

In a better world, Fred Wiggy would consider this matter at length, and eventually revise his opinions. But he won't. He can't. His brains were turned into rice pudding by religious brain-washing, and he lacks the intellect to do anything about it.

Just now, novanova said:

This is of course a waste of time - hoping that a person plainly brainwashed beyond repair will review facts and change their point of view - but here goes.

It's been many years since "prove a not" (in this case, prove that god does not exist) has been shown to be silly. Sound thinkers go for "prove so-and-so is the case", and if no one can, the matter either on stand-by awaiting more facts (say, quantum mechanics or dark matter) or put in the bin (say, astrology or reincarnation).

Here is why "prove there is no god" is silly.

"Prove that pink elephants exist"...the means by which that can done is simple - produce one for inspection.

"Prove that pink elephants do not exist" cannot be done - true believers will tell us that we need to look in caves, underwater, on a planet revolving around Alpha Centauri etc.

In a better world, Fred Wiggy would consider this matter at length, and eventually revise his opinions. But he won't. He can't. His brains were turned into rice pudding by religious brain-washing, and he lacks the intellect to do anything about it.

Yes, you obviously have been brainwashed beyond repair, thinking you can prove there isn't a God. There are no facts to prove otherwise, and only other's opinions you believe for whatever reasons you have.

Many people don't believe in God because they suffered a loss of some kind, or because they think a loving God wouldn't allow harmful things to happen, even though many of those harmful things come from humans. Others believe in what some have said with their theories, that it all happened from a big bang that occurred from nothing. We say it was a big bang, started from God.

Some actually think they're smarter than believers because of their own indoctrinations.

Billions of people believe in God and somehow those that don't think they're smarter , which only shows ignorance. I would never say anyone is stupid because they are atheists. I would just say they're in trouble now and hopefully they see the light. Judging anyone's intelligence because of a belief is stupid.

I've stayed true to my beliefs all my life, and I'm way above average in intelligence, coming from a family where geniuses were in numbers, and again, this isn't all about intelligence or common sense that there was a creator, but my belief as a Christian, which no one will change.

There have been thousands of clinically dead people who came back and told of a heaven, Jesus or both. There has never been a clinically dead person who came back and proved there isn't a heaven or Jesus, as all they saw was black until they came back to life. Proof? Maybe a little and just adds to our beliefs.

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I haven't come across too many venomous snakes, apart from the girls on Walking Street. But I know how to handle them.

If you're living in Gaza, you're in Hell. But for the rest of us, Hell is mostly fleeting moments of hard times maybe, but then it becomes a self-imposed psychological state of mind.

I recommend you put away your Bible and Mel Gibson and watch The Twilight Zone instead.

Twilight Zone episode about a jazz musician is "A Passage for Trumpet" (Season 1, Episode 32), which originally aired on May 20, 1960. [1,

]

Episode Details

• The Plot: Jack Klugman stars as Joey Crown, a struggling, down-on-his-luck alcoholic trumpet player. After getting rejected for a gig and pawning his trumpet for quick cash, a respondent Joey steps in front of a moving truck.

• The Twist: He wakes up on the street, but nobody can see or hear him. Believing he has died, he meets a mysterious, friendly trumpeter named Gabe (played by John Anderson) in a back alley.

• The Meaning: Gabe counsels Joey and gives him a second chance to choose life over despair, reminding him of his worth before he snaps back to reality.

Again you think you're going to change my thinking, which will never happen. You believe what you want, and I, along with those billions of believers, will believe what we want. If you think this is hell, wait awhile and you might be surprised. By the way, The Twilight Zone is a favorite series of mine, having all episodes as well as watching all of them many times.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Yes, you obviously have been brainwashed beyond repair, thinking you can prove there isn't a God. There are no facts to prove otherwise, and only other's opinions you believe for whatever reasons you have.

Many people don't believe in God because they suffered a loss of some kind, or because they think a loving God wouldn't allow harmful things to happen, even though many of those harmful things come from humans. Others believe in what some have said with their theories, that it all happened from a big bang that occurred from nothing. We say it was a big bang, started from God.

Some actually think they're smarter than believers because of their own indoctrinations.

Billions of people believe in God and somehow those that don't think they're smarter , which only shows ignorance. I would never say anyone is stupid because they are atheists. I would just say they're in trouble now and hopefully they see the light. Judging anyone's intelligence because of a belief is stupid.

I've stayed true to my beliefs all my life, and I'm way above average in intelligence, coming from a family where geniuses were in numbers, and again, this isn't all about intelligence or common sense that there was a creator, but my belief as a Christian, which no one will change.

There have been thousands of clinically dead people who came back and told of a heaven, Jesus or both. There has never been a clinically dead person who came back and proved there isn't a heaven or Jesus, as all they saw was black until they came back to life. Proof? Maybe a little and just adds to our beliefs.

Most people believed the earth was flat too. We only discovered vitamins in the 1900s. All the bible stories have been proven fake. You were brainwashed as a child. If your parents were muslim you would be too. If they were buddhist you would be too.