30 Days Permit To Stay Available Again Indefinitely ?

[maxcrc]

Hallo

I heard that the visa run 30 days to stay in Thailand is now permitted like before , without the limit of 3 stamps evey 6 months.

Is that correct ?

I also heard that new measure is temporary before th new government will take a decision regarding new inmigration rules.

The problem in this country it is not the though inmigration rules, the problem is rules are changing thousands of times.

It must eb a world record: never seen any country in the world changing inmigration rules so many times.

Rules don t last for more than few weeks.

That s makes things very complicate for anyone who wants to live here quitely without hassle.

I also have another question: I am married to a Thai woman in Spain and I can get a 0 visa in thai consulate in Spain (3 months single visa not extendable, they say)...Can i get the same 0 visa indefinitely from a Thai consulate in Asia with the translated marriage certificate ? (without registering the marriage in Thailand).

I have a friend who has done this for years without any problem, he got married to a thai woman in Cyprus wthout registering the marriage in Thailand -just translating the original marriage paper in Thai and english- and he says he gets 0 visa every 3 months in Vientiane without hassle.

Is that possible ? ( I mean, Can I believe to him ?).

Aso, doesn anybody know if Thai Consultes in Guangzhou and Shanghai are "friendly" in obtain visas ?

Edited December 26, 2007 by maxcrc

[PhilHarries]

Hallo

I heard that the visa run 30 days to stay in Thailand is now permitted like before , without the limit of 3 stamps evey 6 months.

Is that correct ?

I also heard that new measure is temporary before th new government will take a decision regarding new inmigration rules.

Do you mean the 30 days visa exemption stamp? It has been limited to 3 x 30 days in a six month block since last October. So there's no change since last year.

What new measure is temporary? AFAIK there are no new measures.

The problem in this country it is not the though inmigration rules, the problem is rules are changing thousands of times.

It must eb a world record: never seen any country in the world changing inmigration rules so many times.

Rules don t last for more than few weeks.

No, the immigration rules haven't changed, as far as I know, since the last shake up last October. Hardly makes it thousands of times, what does change is the interpretation of the rules by the embassies, consulates and immigration officers.

As for your question regarding marriage visa I'm afraid I have no experience in that field but would have thought the marriage would have to be registered in Thailand but I'll leave that to others to give the final word.

[Maestro]

Maxcrc, there never has been a limit of 3 stamps every 6 months. It is a maximum of 90 days visa-exempt stay within 6 months.

Your rant about rules “changing thousands of times is unwarranted. “I heard” does not equate a change of rules.

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Maestro

[lopburi3]

If you have a legal marriage anywhere normally that certificate/translation and current copy of wife ID card will be enough to obtain a non immigrant O visa.

[tropo]

Maxcrc, there never has been a limit of 3 stamps every 6 months. It is a maximum of 90 days visa-exempt stay within 6 months.

Your rant about rules “changing thousands of times is unwarranted. “I heard” does not equate a change of rules.

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Maestro

It's just an expression. We all know that things do change quite often and this forum wouldn't exist if they didn't.

Edited December 26, 2007 by tropo

[maxcrc]

In fact,the inmigration rules since last October has changed lots of times..

For couples who only the husband is over 50 and the wife is under 50 they had changed the rule and than revereted it.

For marriage 1 year visa, also , according to what I can see in this forum, the 400K baht requirement alone is no longer enough to get a 1 year visa. Now I need a 40K baht income proof. That s another change, isn t it ?

And regarding the 30 days stamp, what I have been told by some people (but that s why I ask, coz I am not sure if it is correct) the 90 days every 6 months limit has been TEMPORARELY SUSPENDED until after the elections..

Maestro,That s why I am asking coz several rules has changed since last October... both for marriage visa and for over 50...

the forum is supposed to be for this....asking... isn t right ? I wonder if it is true that s limit is currently "in limbo" awaiting for the new govt.

Edited December 26, 2007 by maxcrc

[Maestro]

...several rules has changed since last October... both for marriage visa and for over 50...

The currently valid rules for extension of stay, Royal Thai Police Order No. 606/2549, took effect on 1 October 2006 and have remained unchanged since then. It is true that one office rebelled against the extension of a retiree’s spouse as a dependent and this office was quickly made to tow the line. At the back of your mind you may be remembering numerous rumours and hear-say stories about changes since October 2006 but that is all they turned out to be, not actual changes, and down the line people reading this forum will be remembering your hearsay story and some will mistakenly believe that is was a change in the rules.

The least you could do when you report a hearsay story is give the source.

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Maestro

[maxcrc]

The source is THIS FORUM.

Just look at the topics below and see for yourselves posts which state marriage 1 year visa is no longer available with just a 400K baht deposit.

On October 2006 it had been available with 400K baht deposit OR 40K income. That s i know because I asked them (Inmigration Office) personally.

And now according to THIS FORUM 400k baht is no longer enough.

That s the source, as simple as it is. You will tell me if it is correct or not.

Anyway, my intent was asking something not engaging in this amazing rudely answers ...

Edited December 26, 2007 by maxcrc

[sbk]

I believe your original question was this:

I heard that the visa run 30 days to stay in Thailand is now permitted like before , without the limit of 3 stamps evey 6 months.

Is that correct ?

I also heard that new measure is temporary before th new government will take a decision regarding new inmigration rules.

I believe Maestro was asking for the source of this rumor.

[maxcrc]

I believe your original question was this:

I heard that the visa run 30 days to stay in Thailand is now permitted like before , without the limit of 3 stamps evey 6 months.

Is that correct ?

I also heard that new measure is temporary before th new government will take a decision regarding new inmigration rules.

I believe Maestro was asking for the source of this rumor.

As I said since i HEARD it from two people coming from Poipet visa run, I kindly ASKED the forum if it is correct or not and Maestro looks like enjoying insulting .

I would better looking for a more friendly forum without being insulted by super-moderators.

My post has a ? question mark, so I am not stating anything, just asking.

And regarding the other point of 1 year visa, the source is the forum in the posts below, so the cases are: or what the post says is incorrect or if it is correct it means rules have changed indeed.

Thanks everybody

Edited December 26, 2007 by maxcrc

[sbk]

Please let us know what you heard then. Were these two people who had managed to receive more than 90 days in 180 days or had they heard it from Immigration in Poi Pet?

[stevemiddie]

I believe your original question was this:

I heard that the visa run 30 days to stay in Thailand is now permitted like before , without the limit of 3 stamps evey 6 months.

Is that correct ?

I also heard that new measure is temporary before th new government will take a decision regarding new inmigration rules.

I believe Maestro was asking for the source of this rumor.

As I said since i HEARD it from two people coming from Poipet visa run, I kindly ASKED the forum if it is correct or not and Maestro looks like enjoying insulting .

I would better looking for a more friendly forum without being insulted by super-moderators.

My post has a ? question mark, so I am not stating anything, just asking.

And regarding the other point of 1 year visa, the source is the forum in the posts below, so the cases are: or what the post says is incorrect or if it is correct it means rules have changed indeed.

Thanks everybody

I doubt that they will suspend the 90 day in 6 month requirement.

Sounds like a couple of gossipers on the bus.

[maxcrc]

Please let us know what you heard then. Were these two people who had managed to receive more than 90 days in 180 days or had they heard it from Immigration in Poi Pet?

i will ask this detail when i see them again. anyway, i repeat i am just wondering if it is true or not...that s why i ask if anybody else has heard about this story.

[maxcrc]

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I doubt that they will suspend the 90 day in 6 month requirement.

Sounds like a couple of gossipers on the bus.

maybe you are right. The 2 guys were not together anyway, that s why I heard it from 2 people I got the suspect. If anybody has the chance to ask in any border/embassy/inmigration office ,it would be useful.

believe me since 1997 I have been coming here, I am not suprise of anything . :-)

[Maestro]

...or what the post says is incorrect...

Yes, it is incorrect. There has been no change. The rule about maximum 90 days visa-exempt stay within 6 months is still in force.

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Maestro

[007]

maybe you are right. The 2 guys were not together anyway, that s why I heard it from 2 people I got the suspect...

So, WHAT did they actually tell you? Did they SHOW you or tell you about days of stay in Thailand NOT counted any longer and/or NO MARKERS used anymore to count the visa stamps and number of days, or was it just 'I guess.. I heard at the pub...'??

[maxcrc]

...or what the post says is incorrect...

Yes, it is incorrect. There has been no change. The rule about maximum 90 days visa-exempt stay within 6 months is still in force.

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Maestro

I was referring to the 1 year marriage visa rule.

There have been changes :on October last year it was possible for new applicants to get 1 year marriage visa with 400k baht deposit ( I asked in the inmigration office few months ago).

Now -acording to what I read in some posts of this forum-it is no longer possible for new applicants, who have to show 40K income.

So this is a change after October 2006... maybe you can explain me that.

Regarding the 90 days every 6 month...what I have been told this limit has not been cancelled but just temporarely suspended or not applied until after the elections (but elections have been held already...). But I was confused by this piece of news that s why I asked confirmation.

[lopburi3]

It has not been possible for new applicants to use the 400k bank deposit method to extend there stay since last year. There has not been any change more recent than Police Order 606/2006.

What you may have been confused about is that Singapore has adopted a system to allow the issue of a multi entry non immigrant O visa if you have a Thai spouse and 400k in a bank account somewhere. But this is not an immigration extension of stay.

[maxcrc]

maybe you are right. The 2 guys were not together anyway, that s why I heard it from 2 people I got the suspect...

So, WHAT did they actually tell you? Did they SHOW you or tell you about days of stay in Thailand NOT counted any longer and/or NO MARKERS used anymore to count the visa stamps and number of days, or was it just 'I guess.. I heard at the pub...'??

I will ask again when I see any of them.

It is not a pub rumor, one guy is french having living in Thailand 20+ years and the other one is a rumanian having living in Thailand 8 years.

I mean that s all I know...In early January I will see the latter and ask details and proofs..ok...i will let u know about....

[maxcrc]

It has not been possible for new applicants to use the 400k bank deposit method to extend there stay since last year. There has not been any change more recent than Police Order 606/2006.

What you may have been confused about is that Singapore has adopted a system to allow the issue of a multi entry non immigrant O visa if you have a Thai spouse and 400k in a bank account somewhere. But this is not an immigration extension of stay.

so I have been misinformed by inmigration officers and than by the Consul of Thailand in Spain IN AUGUST THIS YEAR both of whom have told me that 400k was enough for new applicants.

[lopburi3]

You were either misinformed or you misunderstood. 400k is not acceptable for new applications and has not been acceptable at any time this year.

You were probably understood to have used this system before and to be asking about the new requirement that it be in your account for 3 continuous months prior to application. That rule was not being enforced for the first year because many did not know about it.

[Lite Beer]

Yes. The rule is 40,000 Baht income monthly income. Since october 2006

Edited December 27, 2007 by Lite Beer

[maxcrc]

If you have a legal marriage anywhere normally that certificate/translation and current copy of wife ID card will be enough to obtain a non immigrant O visa.

That s good.

Can I do that indefinitely from any Thai consulate in Asia ?

In this case will I be aksed for a ongoing ticket ?

[lopburi3]

There is no current limitation but we can not predict the future.

A ticket is not required for entry on a non immigrant visa but a Consulate could require a ticket to issue any type of visa - but in most cases that would be to show your travel to Thailand (Vietnam Thai Consulates seem to normally requires this).

[The Professor]

max max max, relax max

[Maestro]

...So this is a change after October 2006... maybe you can explain me that...

An English translation of the current rules, in effect since 1 October 2006, is here. Paragraph 17, clause 6 (in the middle column) is about the annual extension for a foreigner married to a Thai woman.

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Maestro

[maxcrc]

...So this is a change after October 2006... maybe you can explain me that...

An English translation of the current rules, in effect since 1 October 2006, is here. Paragraph 17, clause 6 (in the middle column) is about the annual extension for a foreigner married to a Thai woman.

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Maestro

Thank you for the useful information.

It is quite shoking to have this learnt in the forum and not by the Consul who put me the last 3 visa stamps in the passport.

As late as August this year, the representative in the Thai Consulate in Spain (very helpful and kind guy indeed) gave me the advice of registering my marriage in Thailand (I got married in Europe with my thai wife) and transfer 400K baht in my thai account and than enter Thailand with a 0 visa in order to apply for a 1 year visa and avoid all these double tourist 2 months visas (with 2 extensions which implies a travel to Europe every 6 months).

So it could not be any misunderstanding and in fact we speak the same mother-language.

The guy was very kind, but somebody must tell him to get updated, because if we cannot trust people working in the Consulates it is really problematic and confusing...ok in March I will be there again and tell him he missed this detail... sigh...

Thanks for ur help

Edited December 28, 2007 by maxcrc

[maxcrc]

Excuse me,but I have another doubt.

Next February i willbe again in Thai Consulate in Spain to get a double 2 months tourist visa.

So I will do like las ttimes : 2months+1 month extension trip to Poi Pet 2 months+1 month extension =6 months.

My question is :after consumming the double visas Can I make 3 trips with the 30 days stamp on arrival ? (it would be a totalof 9 months).

( I have a european passport).

Visa representative in Spain told me I cannot do it,I will need a news visa, but he has already given me incorrect information,so at this point I prefer to ask experts in the forum, who are constatly in touch of all regulations.

Just to understand ...2 days ago my mother who is in Europe called the Consulate and ask if I can get the double 2months visa if I show a ticket with return 1 year instead 6 months and the answer has been "I don t know this detail".

How can pe possible ?He is the guy who put the visa stamp im my passport and he doesn t know if HIMSELF will accept the 1 year ticket instead a 6 months ticket ?

I guess you guys already understand why ordinary people like me are so perennially confused. These people who are supposded to know the law perfectly don t know a S...

Also,another example happened to a friend of mine.

He is a south african who has lived between Thailand and Cambodia for 15+ years. He always comes and goes between these two countries.

He was in Poipet and coming to Thailand and in the Inmigration they say he cannot come to Thailand because he had used the 3 stamps in 6 months already, and he replied he used the 3 stamps but for a total of less than 15 days (very short visits) but they wound t listen to him.

So he waited in Poipet few hours untilthe personel change and next inmigration officier allowed him to enter without a question.

May I express my feeling Thai Government should work on this problem ? May I kindly say situations like this are inacceptable ?

We just ask for the law (whatever law they decide) to be respected.

Edited December 30, 2007 by maxcrc

[lopburi3]

You can make as many trips as they allow you to make (there is no limit of three) but you can not stay more than 90 days in a six month period from first entry using them. So yes, you should be able to use full entitlement of visa exempt stamps (90 days) after using tourist visa entries.