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"Massive vote buying". If you have proof of this accusation you should report it to the EC. To date there are only a few incidents under investigation and adjudication.

Or perhaps it might be just your opinion based on hearsay with no actual proof?

Ando.

It seems like you're on PPP's payroll. Are you?? Would you accept an eyewitness' account on vote buying? Here you go - take mine. Because i was right there (small village outside of Chiang Mai, 5 days before the election) when the PPP guys came round, offering two 100-Baht-notes to anyone who promised to vote for PPP in the coming election.

Neither my boyfriend nor his mum accepted, but his uncle in the next house did. He's a farmer and certainly neither rich nor well educated, but a lovely person.

They also left a few PPP stickers "for car and motorbike" (that is, at least, not illegal).

Apart from this "live vote buying" i had the pleasure to observe with my very own eyes, there was announcements every evening leading up to that election, from the village headman via the village's PA system (loudspeaker tower) that "please everyone vote PPP because we will all have a much better life then". My own Thai being insufficient, yet my boyfriend, visibly disgusted about what he heard, translated it for me.

Almost the whole village voted PPP.

Why isn't it reported more widely? Probably for the same reason ordinary Thais don't call a doctor after a traffic accident or call the police when they witness a crime. "Not my business" attitude.

Regards.....

Thanh

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I don't think PAD has ever suggested that they should be involved in government. What they are saying is that *this one sucks* :-)

No. That is not right at all. What PAD is saying is that they will create chaos in the country until their minority gets its way of destroying the democratically elected government. While PAD doesn't have the balls to front up a political party to contest democratic elections (simply because they have relatively little support on a national scale), they are certainly getting involved in government by their attempts to overthrow this elected government and install a virtual dictatorial style ruling party.

Hang in there.

I have been there done that and just decided it's not worth the effort to go against these posters who love PAD and hate the TRT/PP and anybody that goes against their opinion.

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So Thaksin called and offered advice. Big deal. "If" he is helping to bankroll the party perhaps his opinion might be important. His political background and experience would certainly carry some weight.

Its not uncommon for past leaders in western democracies to voice an opinion on who might be best to lead their party.

The fact that Thaksin is on the run for tax evasion does not make his advice any less credible. If they locked up every crooked politician in Thailand there wouldn't be anyone to run the country. Ultimately it will be up to the coallition to elect a leader of their choosing.

And of course Thaksins brother in law has as much right to nominate as anyone else. I doubt anyone here would accept being barred from a job because of something their brother in law did as fair.

The discussion in this forum seems to have degenerated to a childish level of late with sniggers and sneers making up the bulk of some posters content.

:(:o:D :D

to be a criminal on the run doesn't make someone less credible :D :D

Maybe they can call Gary Glitter and ask him for advise?

Are you for real? What a silly comparison.

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Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

Does "Samak" ring a bell? No? Well... read the thread, starting at post # 1 :o

Regards.....

Thanh

Posted
Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

I think srirachajohn has a comprehensive list (updated) somewhere in this newsclippings section.

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Don't forget that the government has a very limited impact on the economy. Politically they can screw it big time, but when it comes to details, even the most optimistic policies are just a drop in the ocean - the economy is too big, the policies are too small, and most of the real work is done by civil service, not by government ministers. Those bureaucrats are not easily afflicted by political turmoil.

In fact Thailand would do rather well without ANY government for at least half a year.

You must be joking , not having an effect on the country. Many countries have issued travel warnings and I know thats an overreaction but people some listen and react.Tourism is a huge part of Thailands economy

My daughter is stayaing in a guest house in C Mai and the owner was complaining today that he has lost 20% of his bookings (10 cancellations) with people stating they were changing their travel arrangements because of the unrest. While this (protest)is Bangkok based its the domino effect.Thailand looks to people overseas like a banana republic which is not far from the truth I guess.

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I don't think PAD has ever suggested that they should be involved in government. What they are saying is that *this one sucks* :-)

No. That is not right at all. What PAD is saying is that they will create chaos in the country until their minority gets its way of destroying the democratically elected government. While PAD doesn't have the balls to front up a political party to contest democratic elections (simply because they have relatively little support on a national scale), they are certainly getting involved in government by their attempts to overthrow this elected government and install a virtual dictatorial style ruling party.

Hang in there.

I have been there done that and just decided it's not worth the effort to go against these posters who love PAD and hate the TRT/PP and anybody that goes against their opinion.

Thanks Joe. I am well aware that I wont change the minds of the few prolific posters here who are obsessed with their anti Thaksin, anti Samak, anti PPP mindset. However I do enjoy exposing their counter arguments as little more than piss and wind.

There seems to be a distinct lack of intelligent debate here lately with the flurry of baseless emotive comments.

Anyway, I am off to bed now. So the rabid dog pack can go their hardest.

Posted
Well.

But if the criminals are those in power and hence able to change laws around so they are no longer criminal? Then the courts can't do jack.

PAD points these things out and is so far pretty successful keeping the ruling criminals otherwise occupied so their "law changing" job gets delayed - hopefully long enough so the courts CAN do tgheir job.

And after that, when all is sane again (politically) the courts will have to do their job on PAD.

To be honest, i do NOT think the PAD guys will all soon be on planes to UK and apply for political asylum :o

Regards.....

Thanh

Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

The guy who told them all which way to vote this morning, perhaps...?

Who in the current government would that be?

Silly me. He was was just providing moral support. He is a Thai national after all.

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Thanh-BKK

It has come to an extent when peeple post questions like:

"Massive vote buying". If you have proof of this accusation you should report it to the EC. To date there are only a few incidents under investigation and adjudication.

Or perhaps it might be just your opinion based on hearsay with no actual proof?

and...

Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

I think you shouldn't even bother wasting your time to explain or answer to them anymore.

Either they don't live in Thailand, or, they are living in a self-made hole in Thailand.

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I don't think PAD has ever suggested that they should be involved in government. What they are saying is that *this one sucks* :-)

No. That is not right at all. What PAD is saying is that they will create chaos in the country until their minority gets its way of destroying the democratically elected government. While PAD doesn't have the balls to front up a political party to contest democratic elections (simply because they have relatively little support on a national scale), they are certainly getting involved in government by their attempts to overthrow this elected government and install a virtual dictatorial style ruling party.

Hang in there.

I have been there done that and just decided it's not worth the effort to go against these posters who love PAD and hate the TRT/PP and anybody that goes against their opinion.

Thanks Joe. I am well aware that I wont change the minds of the few prolific posters here who are obsessed with their anti Thaksin, anti Samak, anti PPP mindset. However I do enjoy exposing their counter arguments as little more than piss and wind.

There seems to be a distinct lack of intelligent debate here lately with the flurry of baseless emotive comments.

Anyway, I am off to bed now. So the rabid dog pack can go their hardest.

OK I am jsut going to watch for awhile.

Posted

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QUOTE (:D @ 2008-09-11 17:51:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanh-BKK

It has come to an extent when peeple post questions like:

"Massive vote buying". If you have proof of this accusation you should report it to the EC. To date there are only a few incidents under investigation and adjudication.

Or perhaps it might be just your opinion based on hearsay with no actual proof?

and...

Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

I think you shouldn't even bother wasting your time to explain or answer to them anymore.

Either they don't live in Thailand, or, they are living in a self-made hole in Thailand.

I they use one of the defamation cases to reply. I suggest they read this.

A Statement by the Asian Human Rights Commission

http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2004statement/203/

"Criminal defamation has in recent years been condemned globally as offensive to basic rights of free expression and publication. Many countries have recognised that criminal defamation is obsolete, and have removed it from the statute books. Unfortunately, Thailand is not among them. There, a person convicted under section 328 of the Penal Code may be subject to a fine of 200,000 Thai baht (US00) and two years’ imprisonment. This is an extremely backward provision entirely out of place in a modern and democratic society, and out of step with developments in international law. It is also contrary to the both the letter and spirit of the 1997 Constitution, which guarantees unrestricted freedom of expression."

Posted

Samak wants to return as PM to protect democracy

This guy is nuts, the country will continue to be in a Chaos, if he will be reelected.

I am at a total loss of understanding! :o

Posted

Thanh-BKK

I've got a similar story. It wasn't a first-hand experience, but it was one of my friends' whose co-worker decided to take a leave on his job for one day to go back home in Isan, because on that day TRT people were handing out every family in the village 2,000 Baht to vote for them. The guy left his job for a day to go back home and collect the money. I felt sick when I heard this from my friend.

Yet some people on here keep refering to this Samak gov't as "democraticalled elected" gov't. Like :o has said, these people must have been living in a self-made hole somewhere.

Posted
Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

Does "Samak" ring a bell? No? Well... read the thread, starting at post # 1 :o

Regards.....

Thanh

I can't find any article in the thread that states the offence he committed is a "criminal" offence?

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I can't find any article in the thread that states the offence he committed is a "criminal" offence?

Well i'm referring to *at least* the one which everyone seems to know about - that one where he has to appear in court for, on September 25th, in an appeal verdict. So he was already sentenced to a two-year jail term (with no probation, so it's got to be something rather serious) and appealed against it (which is his right).

However if that wasn't "criminal" why would he have been sentenced to a jail term??

Then there's a number of cases so far without verdict, corruption and abuse of power etc. He's sure no angel, Khun Samak. Of course, PAD's leaders aren't, either, which is why i say - after the current chaos has been converted to something "normal" the courts have to deal with THEM, too. But for now i'd take PAD's direction rather than Samak's.

Regards.....

Thanh

Posted
Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

Does "Samak" ring a bell? No? Well... read the thread, starting at post # 1 :o

Regards.....

Thanh

I can't find any article in the thread that states the offence he committed is a "criminal" offence?

That's a good reason why Samak kept telling everyone including the international press that only one student was killed in the 9th October (or 16th I'm not so sure) massacre. It was because he was one of the evil crooks who oredered and directed the massacre. The massacre was against Thammasat students who were rallying for democracy and against the dictator gov't at the time (back in around 1950's and 1960's.)

Yet toady Samak is telling everyone that he's gona be back as the PM to protect "democracy."

And I wanna puke.

Posted

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QUOTE (:D @ 2008-09-11 17:51:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanh-BKK

It has come to an extent when peeple post questions like:

"Massive vote buying". If you have proof of this accusation you should report it to the EC. To date there are only a few incidents under investigation and adjudication.

Or perhaps it might be just your opinion based on hearsay with no actual proof?

and...

Who in the government is a criminal? Please provide proof of the court case and criminal verdicts of any names you provide.

I think you shouldn't even bother wasting your time to explain or answer to them anymore.

Either they don't live in Thailand, or, they are living in a self-made hole in Thailand.

When asked for proof why can't anyone come up with any instead of answers like this. It clear you have no proof of your argument.

Posted
Well.

But if the criminals are those in power and hence able to change laws around so they are no longer criminal? Then the courts can't do jack.

PAD points these things out and is so far pretty successful keeping the ruling criminals otherwise occupied so their "law changing" job gets delayed - hopefully long enough so the courts CAN do tgheir job.

And after that, when all is sane again (politically) the courts will have to do their job on PAD.

To be honest, i do NOT think the PAD guys will all soon be on planes to UK and apply for political asylum :o

Regards.....

Thanh

Yep pretty much goes to the heart of the over all problem.

Keep the fools occupied to till the courts can act.

Posted
I can't find any article in the thread that states the offence he committed is a "criminal" offence?

Well i'm referring to *at least* the one which everyone seems to know about - that one where he has to appear in court for, on September 25th, in an appeal verdict. So he was already sentenced to a two-year jail term (with no probation, so it's got to be something rather serious) and appealed against it (which is his right).

However if that wasn't "criminal" why would he have been sentenced to a jail term??

Then there's a number of cases so far without verdict, corruption and abuse of power etc. He's sure no angel, Khun Samak. Of course, PAD's leaders aren't, either, which is why i say - after the current chaos has been converted to something "normal" the courts have to deal with THEM, too. But for now i'd take PAD's direction rather than Samak's.

Regards.....

Thanh

If he does not win his appeal and he has to go to jail he will then be a criminal. People are already calling him one and are refering to the cooking show case.

Posted

Six coalition parties reaffirm alliance to form govt, evade question on Samak

The six coalition parties held a press conference on Thursday reaffirming the alliance to form the government and designate the People Power Party to take lead to nominate the prime minister.

Somchai Wongsawat of the PPP chaired the press conference. He thanked the coalition parties for entrusting his party with the task of leading the coalition.

He did not reveal who would be prime minister. He said party secretary general Surapong Suebwonglee would coordinate with five coalition partners later in the evening to mull over the nomination.

The Nation

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:o)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (:D @ 2008-09-11 17:51:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanh-BKK

It has come to an extent when peeple post questions like:

Err....

If you decide to quote something from me, then please do quote something that IS actually from me, ok? Because the sentence that you quoted was NOT from me - i do know how to spell "people" even though i'm just a Kraut.

Regards.....

Thanh

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I don't think PAD has ever suggested that they should be involved in government. What they are saying is that *this one sucks* :-)

No. That is not right at all. What PAD is saying is that they will create chaos in the country until their minority gets its way of destroying the democratically elected government. While PAD doesn't have the balls to front up a political party to contest democratic elections (simply because they have relatively little support on a national scale), they are certainly getting involved in government by their attempts to overthrow this elected government and install a virtual dictatorial style ruling party.

This government came by massive vote buying into power and not by fair elections. So this government is your "virtual dictatorial style ruling party."

Ditto.

Just spent an hour with a well spoken lady from Ubon,

She confirms ALL vote buying issues raised.

She knows this first hand, she has turned down

2k baht PLUS bus fare to Ubon just to go an talk

people into voting PPP.

This is common knowledge except in certain corners of farang-land here

Posted
Actually PAD wants the rule of law,....

Yes, their laws...

* 70% appointed and 30% elected. :o

You mean the totalitarian laws by the PAD, read: Sondhi Limthongkul and Suriyasai,, who said they find the uneducated rural poor not 'fit' enough to vote.

Yeah, right.

You're blinded h90...blinded.

So, is the PAD’s 70:30 ‘new politics’ really a step backward or forward?

It’s really backward and reactionary. It’s a conservative idea that tries to undermine electoral politics. Everybody knows that electoral politics has problems, including empowering certain groups over others. What the PAD proposes is definitely not the way forward.

Everyone on earth knows about the problems that the PAD talks about, but selection does not solve the problems. There are problems with elections, hence no elections? The solution is to improve the elections, like liberalizing the party system, setting more controls over party spending, making smaller constituencies to allow more chance for people really representing the people to win.

Democracy is based on the principle that electoral power comes from the people. The PAD is entitled to attack the elections, but their solution is not the way to empower the people more, bur will instead empower certain groups of people, hence returning to the ‘elitist politics’.

You may want to read the rest here and form an opinion yourself:

http://www.prachatai.com/english/news.php?id=694

LaoPo

Posted

Re: "cooking case"

I do NOT see THAT one as "criminal" - that one is indeed a joke. Ok he violated the constitution and that is illegal, however a cooking show does hardly any damage to anyone.

He should have stuck to cooking instead of politics, i guess it would have been better for both himself and the country.

Thanh

Posted
:o)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (:D @ 2008-09-11 17:51:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Thanh-BKK

It has come to an extent when peeple post questions like:

Err....

If you decide to quote something from me, then please do quote something that IS actually from me, ok? Because the sentence that you quoted was NOT from me - i do know how to spell "people" even though i'm just a Kraut.

Regards.....

Thanh

Thanh-BKK,

Pardon me for my misleading quote pattern :D

I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to those quoted post and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to them as it's a total waste of your time and effort.

:D

Posted
:o )--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ( :D @ 2008-09-11 17:51:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thanh-BKK

It has come to an extent when peeple post questions like:

Err....

If you decide to quote something from me, then please do quote something that IS actually from me, ok? Because the sentence that you quoted was NOT from me - i do know how to spell "people" even though i'm just a Kraut.

Regards.....

Thanh

Thanh, I replied to post #582 that posted the quote. If you look at it you will see it was not me. Thanks, Joe

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