Honda Phantom

[Bongo]

Can anyone tell me how long a phantom chain is (How many links) with genuine standard sprockets fitted? I want to bring a good quality x ring chain with me on my next visit for my phantom.

Regards Andy

About this long,

The Honda brand Phantom chain is the continuous loop (no master link) type, and long lasting if maintained. One chain replacement in 85,ooo kms so far.

I tried to have an original chain fitted at mittyon last time, but they could not undo the swinging arm because the spindle was seized in. They fitted a cheap d.i.d chain, but it is rubbish and makes one heck of a noise and stretches all the time. They wanted to cut the swinging arm in 2 to fit an original chain

Edited May 25, 2010 by Bongo

[Kalyan]

Are these pretty bikes really out of production in Thailand? Seems to be a hotly debated subject down here.

There are new ones in the market, very rare in IRC Fire Edition trim, and some have been bought by one of the local bus companies as a rescue / dispatch bike.

In the meantime 5-10 year old veterans of various economic crises soldier on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA04KT5bMm8

[billd766]

I keep threatening about getting rid of mine and then my wife, son and friends all say no.

We all love it as it is a good looking bike (I agree with that), it's comfortable (and it fits my fat ass), it slogs on all day and it is really an OK bike.

What they actually don't do, other than my son who is 5 (with his own helmet), is they actually don't ride the dam_n thing so they have no idea what it is like.

To be honest I like it a lot too but I really really want something bigger that goes faster, looks more sexy, makes more noise and has more bells and whistles

than my Phantom.

And then I think again that it really isn't THAT bad and I am too lazy to change it.

So I will keep it until the next urge hits me and go through it all again.

[Kalyan]

Loving this thing more and more each day - my favourite has to be the 'open' design that makes for easy tinkering. Plenty of accessory sockets too, though I'm leaving mine stock, not safe for me to go overseas anyway.

Most fun is getting someone else to try the bike and watching it go. Whole different perspective!

Did my own faux fur grip, some tyre painting and stuck a rose on the windscreen for the goth punk thing today.

[dave_boo]

I keep threatening about getting rid of mine and then my wife, son and friends all say no.

We all love it as it is a good looking bike (I agree with that), it's comfortable (and it fits my fat ass), it slogs on all day and it is really an OK bike.

What they actually don't do, other than my son who is 5 (with his own helmet), is they actually don't ride the dam_n thing so they have no idea what it is like.

To be honest I like it a lot too but I really really want something bigger that goes faster, looks more sexy, makes more noise and has more bells and whistles

than my Phantom.

And then I think again that it really isn't THAT bad and I am too lazy to change it.

So I will keep it until the next urge hits me and go through it all again.

Why don't you get it re-piped and jetted (along with getting the valve's clearance checked and replacing the -from the internet- crappy cam chain tensioner? I'm actually a big fan of the sound of Tsuguki's exhaust, although I don't know if they'd have one that would look good on your bike I do know you can get them on the cheap in LOS. Biggest thing would be to get the length right; manufacturers study the engine's characteristics and ensure that the length versus the diameter of the pipes are correct to scavenge the exhaust gasses for the desired torque at the desired RPM level. Get it wrong and you'll be either riding a chopper that feels like it has a 2T in it (no oomph from the line unless you rev the snot out of it and ride the clutch) or no top end (just as bad because you'll eventually run out of oomph at speed although take-offs will be fun).

[robblok]

I keep threatening about getting rid of mine and then my wife, son and friends all say no.

We all love it as it is a good looking bike (I agree with that), it's comfortable (and it fits my fat ass), it slogs on all day and it is really an OK bike.

What they actually don't do, other than my son who is 5 (with his own helmet), is they actually don't ride the dam_n thing so they have no idea what it is like.

To be honest I like it a lot too but I really really want something bigger that goes faster, looks more sexy, makes more noise and has more bells and whistles

than my Phantom.

And then I think again that it really isn't THAT bad and I am too lazy to change it.

So I will keep it until the next urge hits me and go through it all again. <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

I had the same feeling as you with my kawasaki boss. I got a kawasakivulcan 400 now and i love it now. It goes a lot faster and has more torque.

But like with most big bikes it is hel_l to find a good mechanic and parts for it. So that is the downside once its running its great. But when you need to go to the mechanic its hel_l because they cant find original parts.

Edited June 8, 2010 by robblok

[JSixpack]

I got a kawasakivulcan 400 now and i love it now. It goes a lot faster and has more torque.

But like with most big bikes it is hel_l to find a good mechanic and parts for it. So that is the downside once its running its great. But when you need to go to the mechanic its hel_l because they cant find original parts.

Had the same problem when I had a big old bike. The mechanics also cheat on prices of the parts and are slow to complete repairs anyway.

So I say it ain't worth the hassle. I'm much, much happier after I traded for a Phantom--totally legal, comfortable, reliable, easy and cheap to maintain. Handles traffic much better too. OK, it's a dog--but it's a very good dog.

[robblok]

I got a kawasakivulcan 400 now and i love it now. It goes a lot faster and has more torque.

But like with most big bikes it is hel_l to find a good mechanic and parts for it. So that is the downside once its running its great. But when you need to go to the mechanic its hel_l because they cant find original parts.

Had the same problem when I had a big old bike. The mechanics also cheat on prices of the parts and are slow to complete repairs anyway.

So I say it ain't worth the hassle. I'm much, much happier after I traded for a Phantom--totally legal, comfortable, reliable, easy and cheap to maintain. Handles traffic much better too. OK, it's a dog--but it's a very good dog.

I don't really agree, my big bike is 10 times better as a phantom or a boss in power handling ect. But the downside is the maintenance. So once it runs good it is much better. But you will hate it when they have to fix it. But once your driving with someone on the back or just alone and you feel the difference in torque you never want to go back. That is my problem.

[billd766]

I am getting the urge again and I am going to look at a Yamaha Virago 400 this week and IF I buy it (and I have my wife's permission) I will be putting my Phantom up for sale next week at a reasonable price.

I went for a ride yesterday with my mate Dave Boo, me on my Phantom and he on is Kawasaki something or other.

We left my place at Klong Lan, up to Khampaeng Phet, up the route 1 to somewhere north of Tak then cut across country to Mae Ramat, down to Mae Sot, back to Tak and then back home. :D

470km and it was a good day out apart from being caught in the heavy rain twice.

He generously went slower for me.

[dave_boo]

We actually went down the 1175 from Tak to Mae Ramat (me on the Ninja 250); I've been dying to try that route. It was a really good ride with a maximum elevation of 964m (yes, I kept the GPS set to the page that displayed the elevation!). Would be an awesome road for someone who wanted to get their feet wet in mountain riding EXCEPT for the fact that a good 40 or so km of if is in poor repair. Plenty of curves and nice elevation changes that aren't as strenuous as the Mae Sot <-> Umphang run (which will cause your testes to drop if they hadn't already).

Actually the Phantom did a good job for olde tymer Bill, much less shifting than I did. The thought did cross my mind if he was getting annoyed with my frequent shifting (the Ninjette is particular about the power band it wants to be in on those types of roads), but then I remembered that I was leading and picking the lines to avoid the pot holes and he owed me for that, because otherwise I'd have been right on his rear pushing him! I was a bit annoyed that he couldn't keep up on the straights though; but once again we were in a ride together and I just had to suck it up....

[billd766]

We actually went down the 1175 from Tak to Mae Ramat (me on the Ninja 250); I've been dying to try that route. It was a really good ride with a maximum elevation of 964m (yes, I kept the GPS set to the page that displayed the elevation!). Would be an awesome road for someone who wanted to get their feet wet in mountain riding EXCEPT for the fact that a good 40 or so km of if is in poor repair. Plenty of curves and nice elevation changes that aren't as strenuous as the Mae Sot <-> Umphang run (which will cause your testes to drop if they hadn't already).

Actually the Phantom did a good job for olde tymer Bill, much less shifting than I did. The thought did cross my mind if he was getting annoyed with my frequent shifting (the Ninjette is particular about the power band it wants to be in on those types of roads), but then I remembered that I was leading and picking the lines to avoid the pot holes and he owed me for that, because otherwise I'd have been right on his rear pushing him! I was a bit annoyed that he couldn't keep up on the straights though; but once again we were in a ride together and I just had to suck it up....

What he forgot to mention is that I left the gas station in Mae Sot on the way back to Tak a couple of minutes before him and sat waiting nearly 5 minutes at the top of a hill before he turned up.

I was happy that he was leading though as I missed most of the potholes and the reason that I didn't keep up on the straights is that the warp factor 3 mode has been disabled.

To be honest I enjoyed the run and when I got up the next morning I realised that I had slept all night and my back didn't ache at all.

[dave_boo]

What he forgot to mention is that I left the gas station in Mae Sot on the way back to Tak a couple of minutes before him and sat waiting nearly 5 minutes at the top of a hill before he turned up.

I was happy that he was leading though as I missed most of the potholes and the reason that I didn't keep up on the straights is that the warp factor 3 mode has been disabled.

To be honest I enjoyed the run and when I got up the next morning I realised that I had slept all night and my back didn't ache at all.

And our well preserved member leaves out the fact there were more Burmese honeys than you could shake you fun stick at and I kinda got held up enjoying the scenery in Mae Sot(and raises the question as to why he zipped on out of there).

[billd766]

What he forgot to mention is that I left the gas station in Mae Sot on the way back to Tak a couple of minutes before him and sat waiting nearly 5 minutes at the top of a hill before he turned up.

I was happy that he was leading though as I missed most of the potholes and the reason that I didn't keep up on the straights is that the warp factor 3 mode has been disabled.

To be honest I enjoyed the run and when I got up the next morning I realised that I had slept all night and my back didn't ache at all.

And our well preserved member leaves out the fact there were more Burmese honeys than you could shake you fun stick at and I kinda got held up enjoying the scenery in Mae Sot(and raises the question as to why he zipped on out of there).

I got too tired of beating them off my chopper is why.

[crazykopite]

Have loved reading all the stuff regarding the phantom I have a 16 year old 2 stroke 150cc and I can tell you now in over 6 years of ownership with over 60 ,000 clicks it has never ever let me down it is an old rust bucket but it climbs the hills on samui as if there was no tomorrow and it still keeps up with the newer models such as the ted and black flame 200 cc. The only money I have forked out is for service at the local honda dealership and tyres although I could do with spending 300/400 baht to reniew the seat !!!!!!

[billd766]

I have had a couple of people asking me for some information on the Pahntom 200cc.

Here are the parts manual pages that I have and if any Phantom owner has any more plase could they send them to me and I will include them and update the post.

I have found that the Honda dealers seem to guard the parts manual as if it were the Holy Grail and not something for a bike that is out of production.

I use my local dealer where these pages come from, 2 in Khampaeng Phet and I even tried to buy one from AP Honda in BKK and they refuse to sell it.

Anyway the pages follow

[billd766]

I have had a couple of people asking me for some information on the Pahntom 200cc.

Here are the parts manual pages that I have and if any Phantom owner has any more plase could they send them to me and I will include them and update the post.

I have found that the Honda dealers seem to guard the parts manual as if it were the Holy Grail and not something for a bike that is out of production.

I use my local dealer where these pages come from, 2 in Khampaeng Phet and I even tried to buy one from AP Honda in BKK and they refuse to sell it.

Anyway the pages follow

[JSixpack]

Thanks for the pics!

[aitch52]

Yes thanks for the pics Bill. Have another bit of knowledge to share. Riding back through town the other day when the most god awful racket started up from left hand side of the gearbox. Initial thought was **** that sounds expensive. Stopped saw nothing untoward. Nursed the bike home and the noise only happened when I throttled back. Had a look around, chain tension was good, and then spotted a black piece of rubberised plastic maybe 12 inches long by three across hanging below the swinging arm. Took the bike and the offending greasy component to the local Honda dealer and they recognised it immediately. In English it is the chain slider and is screwed and bolted to the swinging arm to protect it from the chain. Cut a long story short, they ordered a new one and fitted it a few days later. No obvious damage to the swinging arm, he took about an hour to fit it, cost, 100 Baht fitted. The bike has done 40,000 ish Kms from new.

[billd766]

Yes thanks for the pics Bill. Have another bit of knowledge to share. Riding back through town the other day when the most god awful racket started up from left hand side of the gearbox. Initial thought was **** that sounds expensive. Stopped saw nothing untoward. Nursed the bike home and the noise only happened when I throttled back. Had a look around, chain tension was good, and then spotted a black piece of rubberised plastic maybe 12 inches long by three across hanging below the swinging arm. Took the bike and the offending greasy component to the local Honda dealer and they recognised it immediately. In English it is the chain slider and is screwed and bolted to the swinging arm to protect it from the chain. Cut a long story short, they ordered a new one and fitted it a few days later. No obvious damage to the swinging arm, he took about an hour to fit it, cost, 100 Baht fitted. The bike has done 40,000 ish Kms from new.

Bonjour Matelot

Hows tricks up in the flooded north?

My bike is close to 41k and I must take it in for the 40k service soon though I do get it checked every 2k anyway.

I will get them to look at that chain slider when I take it in again.

It seems as though more farangs are buying the Phantom which is a dam_n good bike for what it is. If you are happy bumbling along in relative comfort, get a Phantom.

If you want high speeds and a backache buy a crotch rocket.

[aitch52]

Bonjour Crab

Life is good in the dry North mate. Mine is much more comfortable now as I changed the seat a while back, 2500 for a buttoned padded seat with sexy studs and dangly bits. Even better he gave me 700 baht trade in on the old seat, result. It is way more comfortable and your butt cheeks don't turn into teak at 100 kms.

Fully agree with you Bill, for what it is the Phantom is a great little bike, I use 91 Benzine in mine and find the gearbox fine, not too tall in 5th and 6th.

Must get my arris down to your neck of the woods one of these fine days, cheers oppo.

Fly Navy, dig Army, Eat Crab heh heh

Chris

[billd766]

Bonjour Crab

Life is good in the dry North mate. Mine is much more comfortable now as I changed the seat a while back, 2500 for a buttoned padded seat with sexy studs and dangly bits. Even better he gave me 700 baht trade in on the old seat, result. It is way more comfortable and your butt cheeks don't turn into teak at 100 kms.

Fully agree with you Bill, for what it is the Phantom is a great little bike, I use 91 Benzine in mine and find the gearbox fine, not too tall in 5th and 6th.

Must get my arris down to your neck of the woods one of these fine days, cheers oppo.

Fly Navy, dig Army, Eat Crab heh heh

Chris

I found a guy in Khampaeng Phet who bought a Phantom a couple of weeks ago and there is a guy up in Sukothai has one too.

He was looking for wet weather protection gear around your way.

My problem is that I don't much like seafood and that being the case I eat meat and cat is quite tasty now and again.

Did you ever serve on HMS Eagle?

Edited June 24, 2012 by billd766

[aitch52]

Bonjour Crab

Life is good in the dry North mate. Mine is much more comfortable now as I changed the seat a while back, 2500 for a buttoned padded seat with sexy studs and dangly bits. Even better he gave me 700 baht trade in on the old seat, result. It is way more comfortable and your butt cheeks don't turn into teak at 100 kms.

Fully agree with you Bill, for what it is the Phantom is a great little bike, I use 91 Benzine in mine and find the gearbox fine, not too tall in 5th and 6th.

Must get my arris down to your neck of the woods one of these fine days, cheers oppo.

Fly Navy, dig Army, Eat Crab heh heh

Chris

I found a guy in Khampaeng Phet who bought a Phantom a couple of weeks ago and there is a guy up in Sukothai has one too.

He was looking for wet weather protection gear around your way.

My problem is that I don't much like seafood and that being the case I eat meat and cat is quite tasty now and again.

Did you ever serve on HMS Eagle?

G'day again Matey

Wet weather gear, Topland had some good quality ponchos in last year. Thinking about adding a Lifan V250B to the stable, as I do love the Vee twin configuration.

No mate never served in Eagle, of the old style carriers Bulwark, Ark Royal, Hermes and Triumph. I did have a few bevvies in the squadron mess in Eagle when she was in Singapore, no recollection of it though apart from walking up the gangway, everything after that is a blank.

Cheers Mate

Chris

[dksharron]

Modifications

Take a look at this man's videos on youtube

Here is his channel

http://www.youtube.com/user/CBR150RAling/videos

He works on CBRs and PCXs, but the ideas are transferable.

His older videos show work on the CBRs

Carb

Exhaust

CDI ...Coil

Gears

Bigger airbox and filter

look at the 2:45 mark on this video to see his list of modifications.

Best of luck!

[billd766]

Bonjour Crab

Life is good in the dry North mate. Mine is much more comfortable now as I changed the seat a while back, 2500 for a buttoned padded seat with sexy studs and dangly bits. Even better he gave me 700 baht trade in on the old seat, result. It is way more comfortable and your butt cheeks don't turn into teak at 100 kms.

Fully agree with you Bill, for what it is the Phantom is a great little bike, I use 91 Benzine in mine and find the gearbox fine, not too tall in 5th and 6th.

Must get my arris down to your neck of the woods one of these fine days, cheers oppo.

Fly Navy, dig Army, Eat Crab heh heh

Chris

I found a guy in Khampaeng Phet who bought a Phantom a couple of weeks ago and there is a guy up in Sukothai has one too.

He was looking for wet weather protection gear around your way.

My problem is that I don't much like seafood and that being the case I eat meat and cat is quite tasty now and again.

Did you ever serve on HMS Eagle?

G'day again Matey

Wet weather gear, Topland had some good quality ponchos in last year. Thinking about adding a Lifan V250B to the stable, as I do love the Vee twin configuration.

No mate never served in Eagle, of the old style carriers Bulwark, Ark Royal, Hermes and Triumph. I did have a few bevvies in the squadron mess in Eagle when she was in Singapore, no recollection of it though apart from walking up the gangway, everything after that is a blank.

Cheers Mate

Chris

Hi Chris

I think Eagle was in Singapore in 1970 and a few of her aircraft were at Tengah where I was. I also went on board courtesy of the RAOB lodge on board.

[aitch52]

She was indeed Bill, it was just after a serious Lox plant fire, I was at Simbang at the time and also had a visit on board.

[aitch52]

Great pics mate, with your permission I will post them on Eagles fb site. We had a few Sea Kings come out to Simbang, I think the rest went to Changi, happy days.

Cheers Bill

[tubber55]

Does any one know where I can get a water pump for a Phantom 150?

Thanks

[Kimera]

Does any one know where I can get a water pump for a Phantom 150?

Thanks

I had my first ride on the 150 a few days ago, its for sale B25000 its in Issan about 100k s/w of Burriram, town of Nong Ki, if anyone is interested it ran well and is in good con'd but noiser that the 200