Birth Certificate After 15 Years Old

[sburdic]

I've written some posts in the past asking questions about how to document my Thai citizenship since my parents neglected to do that as a child. I was born in Thailand at 5th field army hospital. I visited Amphur where the hospital was located, and couldn't find a record (Khet Wattana). They also told us to check with Khet Klong-Tuey since that amphur also handled registrations at 5th Field. No luck there either. We asked how to obtain a birth certificate, they both said after 15 years old you cannot. Is this correct?

Thanks

[samran]

A birth certificate should have been issued if proceedures were being followed.

Isn't where you were born Samitivej hospital these days? Might want to go there and then follow the trail paper trail to see where it leads?

[sburdic]

They told me the army sold the building to Sukhumvidt hospital, but they didn't keep any of the records. I was supposedly issued a hospital birth certificate, but they didn't receive any of those records. I suppose there's an official record somewhere, but I have no idea where it would be.

Anyways, we are also trying another approach. We went to the Amphur where my mom was born, told them my situation they interviewed my mother, my uncle, my fiancee, and my grandmother. They wrote up a transcript of the interviews. They had us sign a bunch of legalization forms, and sent us off to immigration to do who knows what? No one in an official capacity can seem to give me a straight answer. We're going to Suan Pluu whatever that is. I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen there.

[chuckbkk]

i am in the same predicament. I was born at 5th field hospital may 7, 1970 and nobody registered by birth as well. All i have is a State Department certificate saying I was born overseas. That does not help me obtain Thai citizenship. I would be interested in talking to you to see if we can figure out this bureaucracy together.

thanks,

charles

[sburdic]

I'm not sure if you're in BKK now or not, but definitely, the first thing you should do is to check with Khet Klong Theuy คลองเตย. I've been told that Khet Klong-Thuey is where the registration would have gone during that time period. If there wasn't one, you're in the same boat as me.

I've only got:

CRBA FS-240 to show that one parent was a Thai national, and that I was born in Thailand

DS-1350 (which only proves I'm a US citizen, but does show my birth country as well).

Original US passport issued to me as a baby showing my birth country

I've also got my mom and family here so that helps me as well.

We're trying to track down a copy of my "Delivery Certificate" หนังสือรับรองการเกิด which would have been issued at 5th field and presented to the embassy to recieve a CRBA. My parents must have lost this. We're checking with some contacts at the US embassy in BKK to see if they have a copy. It's doubtful though. It's been almost 40 years.

I still can't seem to get any traction though, and finding an official procedure is next to impossible. However, with the interview at the Amphur last Friday, it's as far as I've gotten so far, so it gives me hope.

What exactly is your situation, and what documents do you have available at your disposal? Do you have family that will be able to help you?

i am in the same predicament. I was born at 5th field hospital may 7, 1970 and nobody registered by birth as well. All i have is a State Department certificate saying I was born overseas. That does not help me obtain Thai citizenship. I would be interested in talking to you to see if we can figure out this bureaucracy together.

thanks,

charles

[Mario2008]

If the US birth certificate shows your mother is Thai, it proofs you are a Thai national. The place where you were born is only relevant as far as it determines the place where you will have to get a Thai birth certificate. It is that part what is problematic in your case, but should be the problem of the government.

You might try the Thai ombudsman if things don't work out with immigration.

[sburdic]

I'm still confused about the BC. Is it something that can be issued past the age of 15? The amphur suggested that it wasn't, although I've never seen a law about it though.

If the US birth certificate shows your mother is Thai, it proofs you are a Thai national. The place where you were born is only relevant as far as it determines the place where you will have to get a Thai birth certificate. It is that part what is problematic in your case, but should be the problem of the government.

You might try the Thai ombudsman if things don't work out with immigration.

[Mario2008]

Never heard of this and believe that several members did get a Thai birth certificate well after they were 15, even after 30 years.

Sounds more they were looking for an excuse, as they don't know who is authorized to issue your BC since the place of birth is not recorded.

[lopburi3]

I rather suspect it is true as I know a birth certificate can never be replaced or changed - it is a one time deal from my understanding. If anything wrong on original there can be amendments issued but the original document can not be changed.

US Immigration procedures take notice of this and allow substitute documentation of birth (many records were kept in upcountry schools that have burned with total loss of a village records).