Insight Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 I'm suggesting it's clearly being paraded to incite anger, and why is that? What else do you think this ritual is about? Of course they are angry and they wish to vent their anger. This ritual is about the people of Thailand wanting to appoint their own government and not have one appointed for them. You'll be saying all the red shirts involved in today's clashes are "fake" red shirts next... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The military/judiciary appointed government decided to end the peaceful demonstration - and make it into a violent one. The result is not unexpected. The consequences will give the Abhisit government a similar credibility to the Chinese after Tianamen. the reds drew first blood som non naa shame shame shame - people are dying and you are satisfied now!!!!??? i am not satisfied, i am dissapointed, the wrong people were killed. to those people, RIP the people who should have been killed for causing this will be sleeping in a 5 star hotel tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracymeaw Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 the reds intention all along was to promote a violent response but it would be on their terms the fugitive Arisaman drew first blood at the EC commission, but he was not denounced by the red protesters or their leaders they thought it was great fun and a victory for them Arisaman did it again the very next day by entering parliament he was mildly rebuked by the red shirt leaders but they did not feel inclined to turn him in or make him turn himself in, which would have been a real media coup for the reds the red supporters thought it was a great victory for the cause and cheered him on now the government has clamped down on them, its not going to plan and its no longer on their terms, they are displaying their most common characteristic of being lying, whinging, cowards who do not find it so funny when the intimidation they have thrust upon on others is turned around and aimed back at them. a most typical reaction from bullies its very simple now , under SOE, the Reds are breaking the law simply by being there and can be removed at any cost showing tear gas cannisters, spent bullet casings, displaying injured protesters and publicly crying and whining on about how badly the poor down trodden protesters have been dealt with by Abhisit, the Police & Army does not cut any ice with me i am afraid the reds knew what they were coming to Bangkok to do and they knew the risks involved they have been coached in violence by their leaders 24 hours a day for weeks if not months so it should not be a surprise to them that they have achieved their goal and finally got their way they wanted a violent confrontation and now they have it so reds, if they do not like whats happening to you then pack up and go home but please stop moaning about it like you were innocent lambs to the slaughter, if you fly with crows like Jutaporn and Arisaman, its likely you will get shot with them or get up off your collective knees, stand up and deal with whats happening to you, earn your 500 baht and get stuck in. at least have the conviction to the Red cause to show the world what you really are If the Reds wanted to promote a violent response they would not be returning weapons and live ammo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItaliann Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 can we have more details on where these casualties took place? i understand we have limited reports with the Army in the street murdering journalists but can we get an idea what is going on in each area right now? where is abhisit now? too embarrassed to put his face on tv? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netfan Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) The "Reds" are parading bodies live on stage right now, pnustedt. Don't you think that's slightly indicative of their intentions? Are you suggesting that the "Reds" were looking for their comrades to be killed? If so your logic is most bizaare. Jaruporn said on stage they were willing to die. He and the rest of the Red leaders sent these people to their deaths. And then there was this gem, just this morning "Veera Musigapong, a red-shirt leader, told the protesters at the Phan Fah Bridge Saturday morning that he may lead them to rally at the head office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission. He said the protesters might have to use violent mean like setting fire to the office because the NACC has been using double standard law enforcement. Veera said the red-shirt movement might have to use violent means to establish a new Thai state." "new Thai state" - do you know what that means? the blood is, sadly,on their hands. Edited April 10, 2010 by Netfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noel2499rk Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (Reuters) - Thai troops fired rubber bullets and tear gas at thousands of demonstrators, who fought back with grenades, guns and petrol bombs in a riot which killed eight people on Saturday in Bangkok.World At least 242 people, including 64 soldiers and police, have been wounded in skirmishes near the Phan Fah bridge and Rajdumnoen Road in Bangkok's old quarter, a protest base near government buildings and the regional U.N. headquarters. Four civilians and four soldiers were killed, deputy governor of Bangkok Malinee Sukavrejworakit said. She did not give details. From reuters website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commons Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 tweets... you red guys out there, who claim to have access to "reliable" info... _read_: tulsa: Some bad signs, though @Bancha_nna: reports that red leaders had snatched two bodies from Hua Chiew Hospital, bringing them back to Phan fa tulsa: Jatuporn screams at PhanFa "No more negotiation". Body was shown to protesters now , INN reports. journotopia: Pitched battles in streets around Khao San. Tourists ducking for cover. A red shirt with an AK47. tulsa: Four of the five dead died from gunshots. The other from head impact. bkk pundit: ThaiPBS: About 300 people injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe beets Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The "Reds" are parading bodies live on stage right now, pnustedt. Don't you think that's slightly indicative of their intentions? Are you suggesting that the "Reds" were looking for their comrades to be killed? If so your logic is most bizaare. You're new at this, aren't you? Just curious - are you being paid well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 the reds intention all along was to promote a violent response but it would be on their terms the fugitive Arisaman drew first blood at the EC commission, but he was not denounced by the red protesters or their leaders they thought it was great fun and a victory for them Arisaman did it again the very next day by entering parliament he was mildly rebuked by the red shirt leaders but they did not feel inclined to turn him in or make him turn himself in, which would have been a real media coup for the reds the red supporters thought it was a great victory for the cause and cheered him on now the government has clamped down on them, its not going to plan and its no longer on their terms, they are displaying their most common characteristic of being lying, whinging, cowards who do not find it so funny when the intimidation they have thrust upon on others is turned around and aimed back at them. a most typical reaction from bullies its very simple now , under SOE, the Reds are breaking the law simply by being there and can be removed at any cost showing tear gas cannisters, spent bullet casings, displaying injured protesters and publicly crying and whining on about how badly the poor down trodden protesters have been dealt with by Abhisit, the Police & Army does not cut any ice with me i am afraid the reds knew what they were coming to Bangkok to do and they knew the risks involved they have been coached in violence by their leaders 24 hours a day for weeks if not months so it should not be a surprise to them that they have achieved their goal and finally got their way they wanted a violent confrontation and now they have it so reds, if they do not like whats happening to you then pack up and go home but please stop moaning about it like you were innocent lambs to the slaughter, if you fly with crows like Jutaporn and Arisaman, its likely you will get shot with them or get up off your collective knees, stand up and deal with whats happening to you, earn your 500 baht and get stuck in. at least have the conviction to the Red cause to show the world what you really are If the Reds wanted to promote a violent response they would not be returning weapons and live ammo... Looks like they're returning the "live ammo" a little bit spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 can we have more details on where these casualties took place? i understand we have limited reports with the Army in the street murdering journalists but can we get an idea what is going on in each area right now? where is abhisit now? too embarrassed to put his face on tv? I presume Abhisit is preparing his resignation and the army are garnering themselves for a coup. Realistically is there any other way out of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commons Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 can we have more details on where these casualties took place? i understand we have limited reports with the Army in the street murdering journalists but can we get an idea what is going on in each area right now? where is abhisit now? too embarrassed to put his face on tv? people died. people got injured. & _you_ still want us to to indulge in your delusions & shallow rhetorics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldWolf Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 the reds intention all along was to promote a violent response but it would be on their terms the fugitive Arisaman drew first blood at the EC commission, but he was not denounced by the red protesters or their leaders they thought it was great fun and a victory for them Arisaman did it again the very next day by entering parliament he was mildly rebuked by the red shirt leaders but they did not feel inclined to turn him in or make him turn himself in, which would have been a real media coup for the reds the red supporters thought it was a great victory for the cause and cheered him on now the government has clamped down on them, its not going to plan and its no longer on their terms, they are displaying their most common characteristic of being lying, whinging, cowards who do not find it so funny when the intimidation they have thrust upon on others is turned around and aimed back at them. a most typical reaction from bullies its very simple now , under SOE, the Reds are breaking the law simply by being there and can be removed at any cost showing tear gas cannisters, spent bullet casings, displaying injured protesters and publicly crying and whining on about how badly the poor down trodden protesters have been dealt with by Abhisit, the Police & Army does not cut any ice with me i am afraid the reds knew what they were coming to Bangkok to do and they knew the risks involved they have been coached in violence by their leaders 24 hours a day for weeks if not months so it should not be a surprise to them that they have achieved their goal and finally got their way they wanted a violent confrontation and now they have it so reds, if they do not like whats happening to you then pack up and go home but please stop moaning about it like you were innocent lambs to the slaughter, if you fly with crows like Jutaporn and Arisaman, its likely you will get shot with them or get up off your collective knees, stand up and deal with whats happening to you, earn your 500 baht and get stuck in. at least have the conviction to the Red cause to show the world what you really are If the Reds wanted to promote a violent response they would not be returning weapons and live ammo... Take off your red glasses and look at the reality, please.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheItaliann Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Nobody (besides JingThing) really wants to see the Thai military (with its history) back of the street killing people. How dare you say that? I have NEVER said such a thing EVER and I never would. You have crossed a line there, mate, just like the red insurgent terrorists. I ask that you apologize for telling a lie like that. I doubt you will, but a false statement like that at least needed to be called out for what it is. You were calling for the army to clear the protesters. they are now doing so with automatic weapons. just as they did every other time they were brought to the streets. i (falsely) assumed you realized that the army clearly the streets would mean people would be killed. so i do apologize if you did not make the connection or realize that this would be the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4223rhodes Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Reports of soldiers shooting soldiers for not firing on protesters on Yahoo. What a mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moresomekl Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6390VO201004108 dead 4 redshirts and 4 army according to this article. Hey thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noel2499rk Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 From Rueters "He urged the protesters to do the same as they pelted soldiers with petrol bombs and M79 grenades. He said some protesters were armed with guns. A red shirt leader later called on supporters to pull back to the main protest sites. Khao San Road resembled a war zone, a Reuters photographer said. Shop windows were shattered. Cars were smashed. Many people lay wounded on the street. Police told reporters some protesters ignited cooking gas cylinders and rolled them into troops." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaimai Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 can we have more details on where these casualties took place? i understand we have limited reports with the Army in the street murdering journalists but can we get an idea what is going on in each area right now? where is abhisit now? too embarrassed to put his face on tv? Abhisit's job is done for now. watch him later picking up the pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnustedt Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 You'll be saying all the red shirts involved in today's clashes are "fake" red shirts next... I don't really understand ur post but I don't think that I'll be saying that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 the reds intention all along was to promote a violent response but it would be on their terms the fugitive Arisaman drew first blood at the EC commission, but he was not denounced by the red protesters or their leaders they thought it was great fun and a victory for them Arisaman did it again the very next day by entering parliament he was mildly rebuked by the red shirt leaders but they did not feel inclined to turn him in or make him turn himself in, which would have been a real media coup for the reds the red supporters thought it was a great victory for the cause and cheered him on now the government has clamped down on them, its not going to plan and its no longer on their terms, they are displaying their most common characteristic of being lying, whinging, cowards who do not find it so funny when the intimidation they have thrust upon on others is turned around and aimed back at them. a most typical reaction from bullies its very simple now , under SOE, the Reds are breaking the law simply by being there and can be removed at any cost showing tear gas cannisters, spent bullet casings, displaying injured protesters and publicly crying and whining on about how badly the poor down trodden protesters have been dealt with by Abhisit, the Police & Army does not cut any ice with me i am afraid the reds knew what they were coming to Bangkok to do and they knew the risks involved they have been coached in violence by their leaders 24 hours a day for weeks if not months so it should not be a surprise to them that they have achieved their goal and finally got their way they wanted a violent confrontation and now they have it so reds, if they do not like whats happening to you then pack up and go home but please stop moaning about it like you were innocent lambs to the slaughter, if you fly with crows like Jutaporn and Arisaman, its likely you will get shot with them or get up off your collective knees, stand up and deal with whats happening to you, earn your 500 baht and get stuck in. at least have the conviction to the Red cause to show the world what you really are If the Reds wanted to promote a violent response they would not be returning weapons and live ammo... just for the benefit of the media and to keep up the impression of a peaceful rally it was just a sham like the ''peaceful (''lets burn Bangkok-Arisman'') red rally '' was just a sham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Please check the forum rules before posting links to newspapers. One post was deleted for this, unfortunately it was rather informative. Thanks. I don't want to be banned or anything BUT Surely at times like these when we all need information you could give a bit of slack. Especially as you said the post was informative. Maybe you can't. Just a question. No, the rules here aren't being suspended, however, there is a topic with live updates and the information is there. Several more posts have been deleted for breaking forum rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humfurry Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The military/judiciary appointed government decided to end the peaceful demonstration - and make it into a violent one. The result is not unexpected. The consequences will give the Abhisit government a similar credibility to the Chinese after Tianamen. the reds drew first blood som non naa shame shame shame - people are dying and you are satisfied now!!!!??? i am not satisfied, i am dissapointed, the wrong people were killed. to those people, RIP the people who should have been killed for causing this will be sleeping in a 5 star hotel tonight Most likely trying to get a charted flight to a country with a non extradition treaty with Thailand. Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiterussian Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) Time to bring out the tanks indeed. very sad day. Lets hope the next elections aren't fudged. After these killings, without a fresh election its going to be terror tactics on either side i suspect. http://twitter.com/journotopia 4 minutes ago via mobile web -- The reds say he's a sniper. Sounded like he was talking for his life. But now a red medic dressing his wounds. 7 minutes ago via mobile web -- Man in civilian clothes, badly beaten, brought before red leader Somchai. One man punches him, another kicks him. edit: They've established he's not a sniper, or a fake guard. His relief: palpable. (Real) red guards probably saved this man from a lynching. 4 minutes ago via mobile web Edited April 10, 2010 by whiterussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinnieTheKhwai Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Nobody (besides JingThing) really wants to see the Thai military (with its history) back of the street killing people. How dare you say that? I have NEVER said such a thing EVER and I never would. You have crossed a line there, mate, just like the red insurgent terrorists. I ask that you apologize for telling a lie like that. I doubt you will, but a false statement like that at least needed to be called out for what it is. You have continuously been making hateful statements. Then you can't suddenly act all outraged when you get called on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tilac2 Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 The "Reds" are parading bodies live on stage right now, pnustedt. Don't you think that's slightly indicative of their intentions? Are you suggesting that the "Reds" were looking for their comrades to be killed? If so your logic is most bizaare. That's what I'm saying. I think it was a specific goal of the Red Shirt leadership to have some of its supporters get killed. I think they would have been happier if it was woman or a child, but I'm sure they're well pleased with the results so far. Happy to have women or children killed??? What a horrible thing to say, and based on no evidence of what the reds want. I could say the same thing about Abhisit: that he wants soldiers to get killed to arouse sympathy for his side - but I'm not that crude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekeeper Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 You'll be saying all the red shirts involved in today's clashes are "fake" red shirts next... I don't really understand ur post but I don't think that I'll be saying that clearly you have not been watching the same rally as the rest of us every time something has not gone the reds way, core leader Arisman has claimed the protaganists to be ''fake reds'' meaning Govt people pretending to be reds to stir up trouble and make the reds look bad its known as a false flag strategy i think there was rather too many to day to be ''fake reds'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netfan Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Reports of soldiers shooting soldiers for not firing on protesters on Yahoo. What a mess! I just read the Yahoo report. NOTHING like you say is there. Provide the link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Clearly negotiations going on right now judging by the complete lack of news. http://tweetphoto.com/17900856 - soldiers captured by the red shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaigold Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Many say, "Let the people vote." Many say why risk Thais hurting Thais? Many say, "Why not let them vote?" Many say, "Why do some fear a vote?" Many say, " Please let us vote." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkokrick Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 can we have more details on where these casualties took place? i understand we have limited reports with the Army in the street murdering journalists but can we get an idea what is going on in each area right now? where is abhisit now? too embarrassed to put his face on tv? Abhisit did not cause this Thaksin did. Did you see the pic on UDD Facebook of the young girl with half her head missing. Shame on you for supporting this monster. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moresomekl Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Reports of soldiers shooting soldiers for not firing on protesters on Yahoo. What a mess! Can find the link to that ? Mutiny ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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