Thai Protesters Brace For Crackdown As Compromise Rejected

[jcbangkok]

Regardless if the reds have a just a legit cause ... clearly they are being led like lambs to a slaughter and those instigating them into breaking the law and causing terror do not have their interests in mind.

Anyone who thinks that their actions the past 6 weeks as well as there numerous other violent and illegal acts the last year are proper really has no credibility what-so-ever.

We all can't always win and their idiotic leaders were given an opportunity to walk a way as winners when the PM offered (right out the gate) to hold elections at the end of the year. Their initial response was actually great in negotiating as they said 3-months but then that text came in and they went back to not budging from 15 -days. That was 6 weeks ago ... what idiots.

Anybody who claims to care about the poor in in Thailand with any intelligence and basic knowledge of the situation knows this movement (mob) is not about helping the poor in Thailand.

[bangkokrick]

Reply to the old trout as he screwed up the quotes.

I don't have to qualify anything for your benefit, but on this occasion I will tell you that my extended family are from Issan and that I have been there on several occasions. They by the way are sick of these red people ruining their country. Yep their country not yours.

Cheers, Rick

[animatic]

Changing colours is trying to goad martial law and curfew.

It also means more can escape and not be noted as Reds,

so they can fight guerrilla style at the army's flanks and rear.

So no doubt there will have to be a greater effort to contain them.

And bring them out in groups or along check lines.

I bet Banmor will be sold out of wire ties for handcuffs...

[michskip]

It's hard to negotiate with terrorists.

Bravo.

Never negotiate with terrorists.

Fight terror with terror.

I agree, let's start with Abhisit Vejjajiva.

you really seem to be filled with hatred.

and why most of the time you give a feeling to detest farangs. what did they do to YOU.

because the way you answer to some is obviously aggressive. get me well here. not that you are aggressive towards their opinions, no you are aggressive towards them as foreigners.

who almost, if I follow you, understand nothing to politics, weither it be here or back home.

yourself seems to have little and very dubious informations about the world situation.

In fact in europe you could easily be classified as a "traveler" or "alter", those kids pissing on society, organising rave parties, bringing violence everywhere a "capitalist" submit takes place. fitghing with police and security forces using terrorist, and urban guerilla technics. but at least in europe war weapons are not as easy to get as it is written in some tabloids, and it has never been proved that one of these group used any during demonstrations. even smaller fire arms are no used by protesters.if so the police action would be so harsh and not only on the guy apprehended but along the whole chain. again, bribery is not an option there.

The only difference is that in Europe those guys don't attack innocent people, nor throw bombs or grenades in the middle of an innocent crowd. sky train stations victims can be called innocent victims, no?

Maybe it's because the police and security forces are well equipped and have a long experience of crowd control.

But surely it is because the protesters are more respectfull of other and don't try to force anyone in their view, nor will use violence against persons to express their feelings.

of course there is always casualties. very rarely dead [ the investigation is swiftly conducted in order to release tensions and stop any manipulation.

So, Dude, keep cool and drink chilled. discussion is always better than violence. as long as one give discussion a chance.

for the red vs gov problem this is a Thai matter. dont try tyo get us involved more than making insurance complain for loss of business, broken windows.

AND remember that if you where a foreigner leaving in a northern Europe country or the US, you would have very little clews on the ins and outs of politics there.

Farangs love to talk politics, for nothing, and usually the more they talk the less they do. so let the big mouths be big, they are of no arm to you or your crowd. If you hate everything and everybody from abroad, outside, then it left not so much to like as nowadays exchange and mixes are the common.

[sawadeeken]

how about you just shoot anyone that is misbehaving? you've been warned, no more chances.

why is there no consequence for ones actions?

How about someone just shoot you for provoking a war?

Does that sound fair?

It's not her provoking the war, It's those dam REDS leaders (and Taksin) who seem so intent on getting "exactly" what they want or let the blood of their brainwashed followers be wasted...................

[hammered]

The only reason teh government would have said no to negotiations is if they really felt they had the upper hand.

Considering the reds are threatening quite a lot of violence via motorcycle mobs it seems they may have it

Tomorrows Abhisit-Anupong show will be the highlight of the daytime

[ETatBKK]

Changing colours is trying to goad martial law and curfew.

it is trying to confuse everyone, perhaps confuse themselves as well !

what make the martial law or the curfew success ? if the government and the security failed in the 'internal security act' and the 'state of emergence' :-(

[bangkokrick]

THE NATION: Jatuporn picked up the idea of Rwanda and said the crackdown of UDD means Thailand would become Rwanda.

Non-violent. Right.

Violent indeed, but to be honest I doubt very much that Jatuporn would even know where Rwanda is.

Cheers, Rick

Yeah, thats the hopeful way to look at it- that he has no idea of what he is saying. Because if he does know what he's talking about he's calling for killing squads to attack innocent men, women and children with machetes. Either way, this is a leader of the Reds and an MP!

Red apologists, speak up in his defense.

Netfan, you will never get a direct answer from the red apologists on this forum. They just continue to repeat the same diatribe, post after post. Very sad really.

Cheers, Rick

[midasthailand]

A disappointing but unsurprising response from the biggest stubborn mule PM the world has ever seen.

I have to say that if I had worked hard all my life and attained the position of Prime Minister I wouldn't be so eager to bow down

Well, if Abhisits political career is not already in tatters, it is now. His smug defiance isn't earning him any new friends, thats for sure.

Here is how I would describe Abhisit as PM:

Weak

Stubborn

Irresponsible

Arrogant

Smug

Used

Un-Entitled

Funny, those are the descriptors I would use for Russell Hantz! I think the PM has shown remarkable restraint so far. I can assure you that if a similar situation were to arise in any western country, the police and if so ordered, the military would clean the streets of this rabble quick smart!

I go to bed this night praying that I do not wake to bad news tomorrow.

[xilef]

IMHO, the Reds are nothing but "TERRORISTS" and their followers, deep down inside -- Try a little sweetness at first but if it dont work then just be your real TERRORIST selves ........... with admitted COMMUNIST underlying traits......... I hope the government will be strong enough and tough enough to overcome this......... When anyone has been warned as much as the reds and all their "innocent", then they deserve what bloodshed the know is coming......... peaceful demonstration my A**...........

George Bush made "Terrorist" the word of the decade to promote an illegal war of aggression to steal Iraq's oil.

If you people keep using the word, then knee jerk politicians will continue to use it to pass police state like laws that fit their power hungry agendas.

Traffic jams are not acts of terrorism.

The grenade blasts are acts of terrorism, but who knows who is responsible for those? Could be someone with a completely different agenda than the reds, just using the turmoil to further their own cause.

[Kilgore Trout]

Reply to the old trout as he screwed up the quotes.

I don't have to qualify anything for your benefit, but on this occasion I will tell you that my extended family are from Issan and that I have been there on several occasions. They by the way are sick of these red people ruining their country. Yep their country not yours.

Cheers, Rick

Of course I know its not my country, but I also have extended family in the north and therefore have a vested interest in what goes on, just as you do.

Come on Rick, don't pull the old "your just a falang" trick, thats dirty pool. I'm dissapointed in you.

[4223rhodes]

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/S...ory_518839.html

You might check out the above link for Aung Sang Suu Kyi's opinion on why the military orchestrated Abhisit govt and the military's constitution are doomed to failure.

[jcbangkok]

You said; "May be if the movement spend little more time working rather then "mobbing" they will not be as poor-just a thought!"

Please, can you tell me how much a farmer in Issan makes? What is their average salary? I would really like to know.

Don't forget about their cost of living there. The government subsidies they receive. Their down time in the off season ...

Then you may also want to consider what the average BKK resident makes and their living expenses. Not to mention that a college degree is required for even entry level cashier or clerk positions and the hours they need to work each day. I believe a police officer in BKK starts at about 7k baht a month (but as we all know they get lost of extras). Many jobs such as security requires working 12 hours a day 7 days a week at about 200 baht a day.

[hammered]

Changing colours is trying to goad martial law and curfew.

it is trying to confuse everyone, perhaps confuse themselves as well !

what make the martial law or the curfew success ? if the government and the security failed in the 'internal security act' and the 'state of emergence' :-(

There are some who say the red leadership are going to ry and leave the country. This confusion would fit with that. We will see. Interesting to watch developmets. Very calm on government side and increasingly heightened on the red side

[Insight]

Reply to the old trout as he screwed up the quotes.

I don't have to qualify anything for your benefit, but on this occasion I will tell you that my extended family are from Issan and that I have been there on several occasions. They by the way are sick of these red people ruining their country. Yep their country not yours.

Cheers, Rick

Of course I know its not my country, but I also have extended family in the north and therefore have a vested interest in what goes on, just as you do.

Come on Rick, don't pull the old "your just a falang" trick, thats dirty pool. I'm dissapointed in you.

And you were both so close

[Netfan]

IMHO, the Reds are nothing but "TERRORISTS" and their followers, deep down inside -- Try a little sweetness at first but if it dont work then just be your real TERRORIST selves ........... with admitted COMMUNIST underlying traits......... I hope the government will be strong enough and tough enough to overcome this......... When anyone has been warned as much as the reds and all their "innocent", then they deserve what bloodshed the know is coming......... peaceful demonstration my A**...........

George Bush made "Terrorist" the word of the decade to promote an illegal war of aggression to steal Iraq's oil.

If you people keep using the word, then knee jerk politicians will continue to use it to pass police state like laws that fit their power hungry agendas.

Traffic jams are not acts of terrorism.

The grenade blasts are acts of terrorism, but who knows who is responsible for those? Could be someone with a completely different agenda than the reds, just using the turmoil to further their own cause.

Then why haven't these mystery bombers spoken up? How is anyone to know if their agenda is being furthered if no one knows what/who it is? Problem is we know who it was - the Red shirts.

[jcbangkok]

IMHO, the Reds are nothing but "TERRORISTS" and their followers, deep down inside -- Try a little sweetness at first but if it dont work then just be your real TERRORIST selves ........... with admitted COMMUNIST underlying traits......... I hope the government will be strong enough and tough enough to overcome this......... When anyone has been warned as much as the reds and all their "innocent", then they deserve what bloodshed the know is coming......... peaceful demonstration my A**...........

George Bush made "Terrorist" the word of the decade to promote an illegal war of aggression to steal Iraq's oil.

If you people keep using the word, then knee jerk politicians will continue to use it to pass police state like laws that fit their power hungry agendas.

Traffic jams are not acts of terrorism.

The grenade blasts are acts of terrorism, but who knows who is responsible for those? Could be someone with a completely different agenda than the reds, just using the turmoil to further their own cause.

Get your facts straight. I am by no means a Bush supporter but neither the US or US Oil companies benefited from the Iraq war. Almost all new oil contracts went to other countries who paid the current gov't of Iraq for the leases.

It would really be a waste of time going down the list of acts of domestic terrorisms the red insurgents have caused during the last 6-weeks (let alone last year+) because you either don't care to spend time learning about what you are posting about or simply are just a troll looking to instigate people (which is a big red tactic).

[whiterussian]

THE NATION: Jatuporn picked up the idea of Rwanda and said the crackdown of UDD means Thailand would become Rwanda.

Non-violent. Right.

Violent indeed, but to be honest I doubt very much that Jatuporn would even know where Rwanda is.

Cheers, Rick

Yeah, thats the hopeful way to look at it- that he has no idea of what he is saying. Because if he does know what he's talking about he's calling for killing squads to attack innocent men, women and children with machetes. Either way, this is a leader of the Reds and an MP!

Red apologists, speak up in his defense.

Netfan, you will never get a direct answer from the red apologists on this forum. They just continue to repeat the same diatribe, post after post. Very sad really.

Cheers, Rick

Think you might find that the yellow journo's have been pushing the 'Rwanda' angle... they planned a screening or something to pleasure each other, in the calm between storms.

Rwanda was an ethnic clash, a minority in charge, and a majority under rule of them... I'm not sure about ethnicity in Thailand, but you can count the hill tribes out, they have no power.. so that leaves er.. Thai/Chinese and Thai...oh and Thai/Malay (but they are already in a Rwanda situation!). Not a pleasant thing to say... but I suspect he was referring to the 'class' divide, rather than the formation of mad machete wielding gangs based on ethnic lines.. I dont think that would 'work' here... not to mention that Thaksin is ethnically on the 'elite' side of things... but stranger thnigs have happened... like Stalin the mad Georgian ruling Russia!

anyhow.. how about Aung San Suu Kyi eh? that came out of the blue! Thaksin must have slipped her some cash

Edited April 24, 2010 by whiterussian

[lannarebirth]

THE NATION: Jatuporn picked up the idea of Rwanda and said the crackdown of UDD means Thailand would become Rwanda.

Non-violent. Right.

Violent indeed, but to be honest I doubt very much that Jatuporn would even know where Rwanda is.

Cheers, Rick

Yeah, thats the hopeful way to look at it- that he has no idea of what he is saying. Because if he does know what he's talking about he's calling for killing squads to attack innocent men, women and children with machetes. Either way, this is a leader of the Reds and an MP!

Red apologists, speak up in his defense.

You'd almost think Jatuporn was working for the "good guys". That will lose a few more foreign media apologists and peace loving Thais, of which there are many, including in the Red camp, will be disgusted.

[Kilgore Trout]

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/S...ory_518839.html

You might check out the above link for Aung Sang Suu Kyi's opinion on why the military orchestrated Abhisit govt and the military's constitution are doomed to failure.

Suu Kyi's quote: 'A new government coming to power under a constitution drawn up by the military will never be stable,' he cited her as saying. 'We do not need to see very far. We just see Thailand,' she said. 'Thaksin was an elected person. The military seized the power from an elected person. The constitution was drawn up by the military,' she said.

Thanks for the post; at least Suu Kyi agrees with me. Anyone want to slam her? I hope not, unlike myself she has, without a doubt, earned her opinion.

[melbpete]

Changing colours is trying to goad martial law and curfew.

it is trying to confuse everyone, perhaps confuse themselves as well !

what make the martial law or the curfew success ? if the government and the security failed in the 'internal security act' and the 'state of emergence' :-(

They don't need to confuse themselves. They showed on April 10 that they were quote willing to kill their own.

[Netfan]

THE NATION: Jatuporn picked up the idea of Rwanda and said the crackdown of UDD means Thailand would become Rwanda.

Non-violent. Right.

Violent indeed, but to be honest I doubt very much that Jatuporn would even know where Rwanda is.

Cheers, Rick

Yeah, thats the hopeful way to look at it- that he has no idea of what he is saying. Because if he does know what he's talking about he's calling for killing squads to attack innocent men, women and children with machetes. Either way, this is a leader of the Reds and an MP!

Red apologists, speak up in his defense.

Netfan, you will never get a direct answer from the red apologists on this forum. They just continue to repeat the same diatribe, post after post. Very sad really.

Cheers, Rick

Exactly. Whenever confronted with evidence of violent rhetoric or acts the response is either a)silence, b ) "it was fake reds, you can't prove it wasn't" or c) "the yellows took over the airport".

Edited April 24, 2010 by Netfan

[hammered]

So is the multicoloured clothing an enactment of the we all slip off home unnoticed approach. That could be good for the country

[bangkokrick]

Reply to the old trout as he screwed up the quotes.

I don't have to qualify anything for your benefit, but on this occasion I will tell you that my extended family are from Issan and that I have been there on several occasions. They by the way are sick of these red people ruining their country. Yep their country not yours.

Cheers, Rick

Of course I know its not my country, but I also have extended family in the north and therefore have a vested interest in what goes on, just as you do.

Come on Rick, don't pull the old "your just a falang" trick, thats dirty pool. I'm dissapointed in you.

I am not pulling any tricks, but as I mentioned before if this situation goes National it could get really nasty for everyone in this Country including foreigners. Unfortunately we are just Farang with no say whatsoever in what goes on in Thailand. I feel for the poor as we all do, but this is not about the poor, it's about reinstating Thaksin. The Issan people have been conned once again by the man that robbed them in the first place. sad.

Cheers, Rick

[Skywalker69]

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Short time only Haa Raawy Baht.

Peng maak, mai aou.

[Insight]

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/S...ory_518839.html

You might check out the above link for Aung Sang Suu Kyi's opinion on why the military orchestrated Abhisit govt and the military's constitution are doomed to failure.

Suu Kyi's quote: 'A new government coming to power under a constitution drawn up by the military will never be stable,' he cited her as saying. 'We do not need to see very far. We just see Thailand,' she said. 'Thaksin was an elected person. The military seized the power from an elected person. The constitution was drawn up by the military,' she said.

Thanks for the post; at least Suu Kyi agrees with me. Anyone want to slam her? I hope not, unlike myself she has, without a doubt, earned her opinion.

If those were really Suu Kyi's words, I fancy Thailand's chances more than Burma!

[xilef]

IMHO, the Reds are nothing but "TERRORISTS" and their followers, deep down inside -- Try a little sweetness at first but if it dont work then just be your real TERRORIST selves ........... with admitted COMMUNIST underlying traits......... I hope the government will be strong enough and tough enough to overcome this......... When anyone has been warned as much as the reds and all their "innocent", then they deserve what bloodshed the know is coming......... peaceful demonstration my A**...........

George Bush made "Terrorist" the word of the decade to promote an illegal war of aggression to steal Iraq's oil.

If you people keep using the word, then knee jerk politicians will continue to use it to pass police state like laws that fit their power hungry agendas.

Traffic jams are not acts of terrorism.

The grenade blasts are acts of terrorism, but who knows who is responsible for those? Could be someone with a completely different agenda than the reds, just using the turmoil to further their own cause.

Then why haven't these mystery bombers spoken up? How is anyone to know if their agenda is being furthered if no one knows what/who it is? Problem is we know who it was - the Red shirts.

Agendas do not have to be announced to be furthered.

For example if you were a Yellow shirt agitator wanting to discredit the Red's would you feel more credible by saying in every post that you are a Yellow? Or would you simply state your opinion and leave out the Yellow Shirt part? I'm not saying that you are Yellow, just making an example.

[jcbangkok]

The only reason teh government would have said no to negotiations is if they really felt they had the upper hand.

Considering the reds are threatening quite a lot of violence via motorcycle mobs it seems they may have it

Tomorrows Abhisit-Anupong show will be the highlight of the daytime

I tend to agree with you but remember the offer to negotiate was an offer to talk if the reds demands were met first and this only came after the met with international folks and after a month of the PM saying he is willing to talk while the Reds refused unless their demands were met. So, they changed their demands a bit but they continue to refuse to negotiate unless their demand for the negotiation are met first.

And some people actually claim to believe this red leaders have the poor people of Thailand in mind or that they are good for the people of Thailand.

[hammered]

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/S...ory_518839.html

You might check out the above link for Aung Sang Suu Kyi's opinion on why the military orchestrated Abhisit govt and the military's constitution are doomed to failure.

Suu Kyi's quote: 'A new government coming to power under a constitution drawn up by the military will never be stable,' he cited her as saying. 'We do not need to see very far. We just see Thailand,' she said. 'Thaksin was an elected person. The military seized the power from an elected person. The constitution was drawn up by the military,' she said.

Thanks for the post; at least Suu Kyi agrees with me. Anyone want to slam her? I hope not, unlike myself she has, without a doubt, earned her opinion.

If those were really Suu Kyi's words, I fancy Thailand's chances more than Burma!

It is a fair enough comment from Suu Kyi. One word of warning is the Straits times was the media source caught editing the last video of the dead journo to fit their normal line. But Suu Kyi has earned her right to comment providing the Straits Times isnt pulling another editorial glitch of the type that has already undermined their main journo covering this

[Skywalker69]

Let me ask you something; do the soldiers and police get paid? Please explain to me how people are supposed to eat and take care of their families with no money. Of course a movement needs to be financed in whatever way it can. Wow, such ignorant comments from ignorant people.

The police are being paid to uphold the law. The army are being paid to protect the country from foreign and domestic threats. Many of the protesters are simply rented to be part of a lawless mob terrorizing a city and country for one man's hopeful gain.

Obviously there is a HUGE difference to find poor people and pay them to .....

forget it, why bother. I have to assume you know in your heart of hearts what is logical regardless of what you write.

Sure, sponsored by Mr. T, Asias biggest Democrat.