Thousands Of Thai Protesters Defy Deadline To Leave

[lannarebirth]

@Pornsasi, since I'm busy dealing with the reality that this situation is causing I don't have time to respond ad infinitum, however, might I take this opportunity to remind you that Lumpini Police station barracks [the living accommodation for families] was specifically targeted with M79 grenades at least twice on Saturday [iIRC the day not the event] causing injuries to civilians including children.

Regards

Edit to add M79 grenades for clarity//

By the reds ?

I thought police on the red side .

I guess the fence sitters get a grenade attack.

[hextac]

If we decide to appease the international standard, talk will resume. But given the way that the UDD are behaving, should talk resume and only to be broken down by unbelievable demands again? The funny thing is how the international press (CNN and BBC) are portraying Thaksin as 'only' living abroad and not as a fugitive, what gives, are there too many definition of fugitive? It's these kind of press misinformation that gives Thaksin legitimacy to his claim of innocence.

Now that it's off my chest. Let's get back on topic.

since the govenrment gave the UDD a clear deadline to vacate the premises, then I believe that they are disobeying the law. There should be some punishment for that. The demand by UDD to withdraw the troop is totally outrageous, that would tantamount to 'red' victory. If only the leaders would take off their blindfold (or off any medications) then maybe they'll give realistic demands. But that's too late now. They have now given the gov't every right to use force to disperse the crowd, though I wish that they'll use 'less than lethal' force to do it.

I realize that not many know this, but does anybody realize that Thaksin pays every red shirt 500Baht per day to fight his war, which is why there are still 5000 reds fighting this battle. This is the only reason. Money. This civial war is all about money.

When Thaksin was in power he stole a large majority of the countries money, and then gives some to his supporters, which is why they love him, because he gives them money. He still has billions of dollars he stole from Thailand, and no one can find it or retrieve it, so he now uses this money to pay his "conscript" army to fight this war against the country who ousted him from power.

With all this money, Thaksin has many "friends" around the world who will help him and harbour this fugitive. All about the money.

How much would it cost do you think, to have this man tracked down and "delt with"? If there is no Thaksin, and no one to pay the reds to fight, then wouldn't this whole situation dissolve?

An international hitman was rumoured to have been hired to shoot the most radical red leader, a rebel general of the Thai army, in a live interview on TV on Thursday, conveniently when the army was deployed, along with many snipers, to surround and contain the reds. So most people don't know who the shooter was. This was obviously an attempt at dissolving the reds morale and hopefully end the conflict, but unfortunately this is not the root of the problem, as we can still see they are happy to fight to the death for Thaksin, and bring their whole families along to die with them.

The reds are also being supplied with weapons from somewhere, weapons not used by the Thai army, and they don't know where the weapons are coming from or who is supplying. These are things that the Thai government want to keep quiet from the world because it brings up a lot of questions which they are still trying to find the answers for themselves.

In my opinion, the reds mentality is completely money driven, and without care for any lives, be they innocent or not. They are also clearly not Buddhist people, who believe in peace, non-violence, amongst many other things that the red "army" is completely ignorant of. I am completely and utterly shocked and appauled by this whole thing and pray that this all ends peacefully and quickly.

Blessed be all who walk the earth and may their hearts be filled with love and peace for all.

Hi, Dorris how do you know all this? Are you a spy?

[Who, me ?]

Korbsak Reveals Nuthawut Asking for Ceasefire

PM Secretary General Korbsak Sapavasu reveals that he has recieved a telephone call from red shirt leader Nuthawut Saikua, requesting a ceasefire. Korbsak claims that Nuthawut offered to call back all smaller groups of protesters creating disturbances around the city back to the Ratchprasong stage.

TAN 2010-05-17, 20.55

any more details ?

The army will cease fire, the terrorists will regroup, take new orders from the leaders, and will apply a new strategy to attack the soldiers....

Or something similar

[SAW]

My wife told me, there are some rumours arround that the red guards not let anyone out (quit), even if they want go. But as i said, these are rumours only.

Heard this also and that many ID cards have been confiscated and that some don't even know that they can simply apply for a new one if they did get out somehow.

[gemini81]

Wow you are truely of your rocker

Get a grip, people are detroying your country

and you support it, you are as bad as the people

burning the tires, trying to blow up a gas tanker.

They havent killed anyone as far as i know

If you get shot at with live bullets what would you do ?

There is madness on both sides , i grant it to you

You obviously know very little. Then again, if Jatuporn cut someones throat in front of 30 reporters, you would deny it. TROLL

I know what i see . Not soldiers has been killed in the latest protests .

Stick to the facts

tons have been hurt. none were firing unless in self defense either were they? And the ones shot after pulled outta the truck? the m79s? the stolen guns? the m16? is that all ok since it wasn't a fatality? Certainly the soldiers are being really good to them. anywhere else and the 5000 remaining would've been dead or incarcerated long ago.

[regfrancis]

I forgot ---can any one remember??? ....Did the army or police disperse the protesters that shut down the airport, or the government offices (two years ago) Or was that settled by a change in government?

[RKASA]

That little boy on the tires is shocking, but equally sad is so much of this violence is kid on kid.

I live in the conflict area and I see soldiers and red shirt guards, and most of them are teenagers.

I remember how stupid I was when I was 18 or 19 and thank god i didn't have a gun in my hands.

How young are some of the kids fighting? Somehow I have to think these young people are being exploited.

[gemini81]

If we decide to appease the international standard, talk will resume. But given the way that the UDD are behaving, should talk resume and only to be broken down by unbelievable demands again? The funny thing is how the international press (CNN and BBC) are portraying Thaksin as 'only' living abroad and not as a fugitive, what gives, are there too many definition of fugitive? It's these kind of press misinformation that gives Thaksin legitimacy to his claim of innocence.

Now that it's off my chest. Let's get back on topic.

since the govenrment gave the UDD a clear deadline to vacate the premises, then I believe that they are disobeying the law. There should be some punishment for that. The demand by UDD to withdraw the troop is totally outrageous, that would tantamount to 'red' victory. If only the leaders would take off their blindfold (or off any medications) then maybe they'll give realistic demands. But that's too late now. They have now given the gov't every right to use force to disperse the crowd, though I wish that they'll use 'less than lethal' force to do it.

I realize that not many know this, but does anybody realize that Thaksin pays every red shirt 500Baht per day to fight his war, which is why there are still 5000 reds fighting this battle. This is the only reason. Money. This civial war is all about money.

When Thaksin was in power he stole a large majority of the countries money, and then gives some to his supporters, which is why they love him, because he gives them money. He still has billions of dollars he stole from Thailand, and no one can find it or retrieve it, so he now uses this money to pay his "conscript" army to fight this war against the country who ousted him from power.

With all this money, Thaksin has many "friends" around the world who will help him and harbour this fugitive. All about the money.

How much would it cost do you think, to have this man tracked down and "delt with"? If there is no Thaksin, and no one to pay the reds to fight, then wouldn't this whole situation dissolve?

An international hitman was rumoured to have been hired to shoot the most radical red leader, a rebel general of the Thai army, in a live interview on TV on Thursday, conveniently when the army was deployed, along with many snipers, to surround and contain the reds. So most people don't know who the shooter was. This was obviously an attempt at dissolving the reds morale and hopefully end the conflict, but unfortunately this is not the root of the problem, as we can still see they are happy to fight to the death for Thaksin, and bring their whole families along to die with them.

The reds are also being supplied with weapons from somewhere, weapons not used by the Thai army, and they don't know where the weapons are coming from or who is supplying. These are things that the Thai government want to keep quiet from the world because it brings up a lot of questions which they are still trying to find the answers for themselves.

In my opinion, the reds mentality is completely money driven, and without care for any lives, be they innocent or not. They are also clearly not Buddhist people, who believe in peace, non-violence, amongst many other things that the red "army" is completely ignorant of. I am completely and utterly shocked and appauled by this whole thing and pray that this all ends peacefully and quickly.

Blessed be all who walk the earth and may their hearts be filled with love and peace for all.

Ms, you are misguided, poorly informed and full of misinformation. If that weren't enough you make assumptions about things that you do not and cannot know and you present them here as if they were fact. You attack you enemy's religious beliefs in an attempt to make yourself seem more virtuous than your enemy. Let me ask you this. If all Red Shirts are "Not Buddhist people" what would you call a Prime Minister who orders his Army snipers to shoot an unarmed Red Shirt leader giving an interview to the free press? Is that what Buddha would do?

they haven't found the culprit, nice accusations. that would be up to military authorities anyhow/

[gragra]

Where is Sukumvit closed?

I think it's just Nana - into the actual soi.

Behind those sois is a labyrinthe of other smaller connecting avenues which could be used to resupply or spread further the red-rubbish.

And the whores need a rest too...

[hextac]

My wife told me, there are some rumours arround that the red guards not let anyone out (quit), even if they want go. But as i said, these are rumours only.

Heard this also and that many ID cards have been confiscated and that some don't even know that they can simply apply for a new one if they did get out somehow.

It's not that simple, if they leave without their ID card then they could be traced and "punished".

[LuckyLew]

My wife told me, there are some rumours arround that the red guards not let anyone out (quit), even if they want go. But as i said, these are rumours only.

Heard this also and that many ID cards have been confiscated and that some don't even know that they can simply apply for a new one if they did get out somehow.

It is not simply a matter of applying for new ones

If they have your ID and you leave ... they will know who you are

Replacing an ID card is not changing you identity ...

[Thai at Heart]

Korbsak Reveals Nuthawut Asking for Ceasefire

PM Secretary General Korbsak Sapavasu reveals that he has recieved a telephone call from red shirt leader Nuthawut Saikua, requesting a ceasefire. Korbsak claims that Nuthawut offered to call back all smaller groups of protesters creating disturbances around the city back to the Ratchprasong stage.

TAN 2010-05-17, 20.55

any more details ?

Why oh why oh why oh why, would you announce that?

When will the pooyai learn the Thai words for "NO COMMENT" or "I can't say anything more than we had some negotiations".

If the army goes in, and it is a bloodbath, this statement will come back to haunt Abhisit for ever. They offered a ceasefire but the army shot them anyway? Christ these people are politically naive.

As other people have stated, this government needs a Western spin doctor. I hear the Labour party have a few for hire now they are in opposition. Don't be surprised if tomorrow CNN and BBC are full of this statement alongside more pictures of dead people and people here are complaining that the press isn't painting it as they want.

Edited May 17, 2010 by Thai at Heart

[gragra]

I forgot ---can any one remember??? ....Did the army or police disperse the protesters that shut down the airport, or the government offices (two years ago) Or was that settled by a change in government?

Someone said some sweet words and made an offer that allowed them to disperse without losing face.

Too bad the reds have not followed the precedent and dispersed after achieving the middle ground of the earlier election offer.

I guess they want to continue it so they can continue to collect money, loot and generally carry on like a bunch of naughty school-kids...

[larrylujak]

Al Jazeera television has a great 25 minute report on Thailand.

Go watch it.

Inside Story

The battle in bangkok

The story is good and on youtube

Good interviews

[Ulysses G.]

I know what i see . Not soldiers has been killed in the latest protests .

Stick to the facts

NOT true.

[Dario]

How about for a change, have a look what facts CNN presents on this document. The Red Shirt leaders always say: how can the Thai Army shoot at people who are unarmed? This will once and for all open your eyes about the Red Shirts.

[tuky]

whay are the military not using water cannons as they do in the west??? all it would take is a few and you would blow them all out of the area as the tropps advance behind

I'm f u l l y in favor of water cannons, the most effective means to disperse any crowd or any mob .WHY the government is not using them and using them correctly (!) is something nobody will ever comprehend. Abhisit has a website which is www.abhisit.org. In the past I thought he would sometimes look at emails arriving there, but obviously he doesn't. I have sent emails there many times suggesting to use water cannons as a very effective and legitimate means, but helas... I'm just another stupid fool. Showing restraint is one thing, but instead that he and his government control the Reds, the Reds are already all the time controlling the government. Sad story, because much misery could have been averted.

I dont know what it is like inside the red zone, but if reports are correct and gasoline has been poured on all the tyres and elsewhere, perhaps water cannon would spread that gasoline throughout the ranks with the possibility of starting one heck of a human bonfire. Or perhaps not. I cant think of any other reason why water cannon and the likes haven't been used.

[bweirdo]

I forgot ---can any one remember??? ....Did the army or police disperse the protesters that shut down the airport, or the government offices (two years ago) Or was that settled by a change in government?

i do remember the airport shutdown that people keep bringing up. how many people were killed in that? how about injured? How much of the city was destroyed? How many days did it last? yes, it cost money, hurt the economy but it was non-violent. there are right ways to protest and wrong ways. what's happening now is the wrong way. what ever happened to the peaceful protest? perhaps if you put down the motolov cocktail then maybe the army might stop shooting.

[hammered]

The first responsibility of the government now is to restore law and order and ensure security and protection for the vast majosrity who arent invovled in this. Everything else comes later. If those in command of thge security forces arent copperative replace them. This about protectinbg the majority from what is now undeniably a criminal minority.

[ETatBKK]

Korbsak Reveals Nuthawut Asking for Ceasefire

PM Secretary General Korbsak Sapavasu reveals that he has recieved a telephone call from red shirt leader Nuthawut Saikua, requesting a ceasefire. Korbsak claims that Nuthawut offered to call back all smaller groups of protesters creating disturbances around the city back to the Ratchprasong stage.

TAN 2010-05-17, 20.55

any more details ?

The army will cease fire, the terrorists will regroup, take new orders from the leaders, and will apply a new strategy to attack the soldiers....

Or something similar

very basic tactic - BUY TIME !

government in difficult time - negotiate, or move in ?

[Thai at Heart]

whay are the military not using water cannons as they do in the west??? all it would take is a few and you would blow them all out of the area as the tropps advance behind

I'm f u l l y in favor of water cannons, the most effective means to disperse any crowd or any mob .WHY the government is not using them and using them correctly (!) is something nobody will ever comprehend. Abhisit has a website which is www.abhisit.org. In the past I thought he would sometimes look at emails arriving there, but obviously he doesn't. I have sent emails there many times suggesting to use water cannons as a very effective and legitimate means, but helas... I'm just another stupid fool. Showing restraint is one thing, but instead that he and his government control the Reds, the Reds are already all the time controlling the government. Sad story, because much misery could have been averted.

I dont know what it is like inside the red zone, but if reports are correct and gasoline has been poured on all the tyres and elsewhere, perhaps water cannon would spread that gasoline throughout the ranks with the possibility of starting one heck of a human bonfire. Or perhaps not. I cant think of any other reason why water cannon and the likes haven't been used.

10 seconds with decent fire foam and all those tyre fires would be extinguished.

[Old Man River]

Korbsak Reveals Nuthawut Asking for Ceasefire

PM Secretary General Korbsak Sapavasu reveals that he has recieved a telephone call from red shirt leader Nuthawut Saikua, requesting a ceasefire. Korbsak claims that Nuthawut offered to call back all smaller groups of protesters creating disturbances around the city back to the Ratchprasong stage.

TAN 2010-05-17, 20.55

any more details ?

The army will cease fire, the terrorists will regroup, take new orders from the leaders, and will apply a new strategy to attack the soldiers....

Or something similar

very basic tactic - BUY TIME !

government in difficult time - negotiate, or move in ?

It seems obvious from the CRES press conference just ended that they will not move in. It is down to negotiation. So much for the stuff about enforcing the rule of law.

[gemini81]

I forgot ---can any one remember??? ....Did the army or police disperse the protesters that shut down the airport, or the government offices (two years ago) Or was that settled by a change in government?

i do remember the airport shutdown that people keep bringing up. how many people were killed in that? how about injured? How much of the city was destroyed? How many days did it last? yes, it cost money, hurt the economy but it was non-violent. there are right ways to protest and wrong ways. what's happening now is the wrong way. what ever happened to the peaceful protest? perhaps if you put down the motolov cocktail then maybe the army might stop shooting.

that sucked, but it wasn't bangkok shut down, crippled, under siege

[whybother]

Would you call that boy looking over the tyres a human shield.I suggest you print something factual.My thioughts would have been,he is showing the boy to the soldiers to show that he is there.

NOW

If someone had said the boy should not be there i would have agreed but dont spout crap on here

That's what a human shield is - "don't shoot at us behind standing behind the red barricades because we have brought our children here."

No - it's not.

Standard red answer. No detail. Just incorrect statements.

How about an explanation for what it is then, or why it isn't a "human shield".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield

[Who, me ?]

Korbsak Reveals Nuthawut Asking for Ceasefire

PM Secretary General Korbsak Sapavasu reveals that he has recieved a telephone call from red shirt leader Nuthawut Saikua, requesting a ceasefire. Korbsak claims that Nuthawut offered to call back all smaller groups of protesters creating disturbances around the city back to the Ratchprasong stage.

TAN 2010-05-17, 20.55

any more details ?

The army will cease fire, the terrorists will regroup, take new orders from the leaders, and will apply a new strategy to attack the soldiers....

Or something similar

very basic tactic - BUY TIME !

government in difficult time - negotiate, or move in ?

I am afraid that time for negotiation is up......

[Insight]

Ratchaprasong might not of been taken, the protests might of spread and BKK is getting shut down, but one thing is for certain:

Thaksin's lot is getting thoroughly annihilated in the ongoing PR war. Might sound a tad melodramatic, but I'll never look at a Thaksin supporter, a Thai copper or a monk in the same way again.

[Who, me ?]

Sorry, double post

Edited May 17, 2010 by Who, me ?

[hextac]

whay are the military not using water cannons as they do in the west??? all it would take is a few and you would blow them all out of the area as the tropps advance behind

I'm f u l l y in favor of water cannons, the most effective means to disperse any crowd or any mob .WHY the government is not using them and using them correctly (!) is something nobody will ever comprehend. Abhisit has a website which is www.abhisit.org. In the past I thought he would sometimes look at emails arriving there, but obviously he doesn't. I have sent emails there many times suggesting to use water cannons as a very effective and legitimate means, but helas... I'm just another stupid fool. Showing restraint is one thing, but instead that he and his government control the Reds, the Reds are already all the time controlling the government. Sad story, because much misery could have been averted.

I dont know what it is like inside the red zone, but if reports are correct and gasoline has been poured on all the tyres and elsewhere, perhaps water cannon would spread that gasoline throughout the ranks with the possibility of starting one heck of a human bonfire. Or perhaps not. I cant think of any other reason why water cannon and the likes haven't been used.

Throw in [the tiny, tiny chance] of some non-standard electrical wiring with no earth, and they could accidentally end up simultaneously electrocuting & barbecuing a few thousand Thais. (Oh, plus a couple of farangs).

[larrylujak]

-- New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said on Monday that the travel advisory for Thailand has been increased to the most extreme level and is urging any New Zealanders there to leave. The New Zealand government is warning against any travel to Thailand as clashes between security forces and red shirt protesters show no signs of abating.

[proto]

I forgot ---can any one remember??? ....Did the army or police disperse the protesters that shut down the airport, or the government offices (two years ago) Or was that settled by a change in government?

Just in case your question isn't rhetorical (and in case some reader shouldn't know) despite being ordered by the PM of those days (Taxins brother-in-law, Somchai) several times to clean out the protesters, the responsible leaders of the forces that in democratic countries just would have done their duty, didn't do anything with any effect except for a tiny, but heavily armed, police task-force that handed over all their weapon to the yellow guards the moment the latter asked for them, just to be sure the Police chiefs now had an excuse for not entering the airport area any more.