Thailand - The Time For Harsh Words Is Over

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The Time for Harsh Words is Over

Thailand, over the past four to five years, has received blow after blow from a plethora of crises and inner turmoil. The situation came to a boiling point that has now gone down in history as one of the darkest days for modern Thailand, the events of May 19, 2010. The chaos that ensued on May 19, however, has finally awaken every last member of the nation to the fact that they cannot remain idle to the problems that plague the nation and must work to prevent such an event to ever take place again.

Following the flames that burned down central Bangkok and other major cities across the Kingdom, the government declared its Reconciliation Road Map, promising to reform the ailed country through the use of a slew of panels and committees. The push has unveiled a reform commission to be headed by former Prime Minister Anand Panyarachun and revered citizen Dr. Praves Wasi.

Independent bodies have also sprung up to work in tandem with those operating under the state. These include the red shirt protest fact finding committee, chaired by former Attorney General Kanit Na Nakorn, and the Charter Amendment committee, presided over by National Institute of Development Administration President Dr. Sombut Thamrongthanyawong.

Without a single matter being tabled, however, the leaders of the red shirt group have already gone up in arms against the entire initiative. The group responsible for the violence that took place has lambasted the government's reconciliation drive and all of its selections for committee chairmen, calling them biased and untrustworthy.

Widely respected individuals, known for their honesty and righteousness, such as former Premier Anand Panyarachun and Dr. Praves, have not been spared the wrath of the red shirt group. The anti-government collective and its political representation in the form of Pheu Thai Party have made it clear that they do not wish to see reconciliation take place. There is every possibility that the red shirt aversion to unity and peace may be from the fact that any progress made by the current administration would derail their push to take power and return now-fugitive ex-leader Thaksin Shinawatra to Thai soil. To this end, the red shirt group have abandoned their original battle cry of democracy and shown their true colors.

Thailand has suffered enough and the time of criticism and denouncement has ended. Citizens of the Kingdom who wish to see a better tomorrow must now turn to be creative, not destructive, and remain resolute in the belief that the nation can overcome its impasse. It is time that the heads of the anti-government movement make good on their declarations of care for the Thai public and step back from their rally posts and allow the healing to begin.

Naew Na Editorial, June 21 2010

Translated and Rewritten by Itiporn Lakarnchua

"Please note that the views expressed in our "Analysis" segment are translated from local newspaper articles and do not reflect the views of the Thai-ASEAN News Network."

-- Tan Network 2010-06-21

[jackdawson]

It is time that the heads of the anti-government movement make good on their declarations of care for the Thai public and step back from their rally posts and allow the healing to begin.

it's at times like this i am reminded of woody allen's GREAT line from "annie hall," "nice speaking (in this case , reading) with you , but i am due back on planet earth now."

Edited June 21, 2010 by jackdawson

[Pib]

Per Rodney King's famous quote, "Can't we all just get along?"

Unfortunately, the answer is no. But I sure hope the waring political parties and groups can come to some comprises and move Thailand into a more stable and productive environment.

[eggomaniac]

There IS a way to select Committee Members that would work. What they are doing will not work! They are just refueling the tanks. I can write the OP's future Article for him... """ SEE we gave them a chance!!!""" .......uh uh .......... uh uh... no you are NOT.

If the Government asks me, I will tell them how to form Committees that would have chances of success, OR they could find it in the Emails I sent them OR they could find it among the Posts I did here.

HINT. It IS a dispute between the reds and the yellows, NOT between the Govt and the reds. Under The Joseph Plan the Govt cleans up the mess; it doesn't join the mud fight. If the next elections, miraculously go ahead without triggering an all out civil war; then, Thailand style, it will be the Govt against the Yellows, again!

Does anybody NOT see that Apr/May was just the initial shock waves. Can they PLEASE listen to me before the Afghan/Iraqi style camo insurgency attacks begin? CRES is just inviting that response, along with improperly formed Committees.

If Sondhi and Thaksin are not stripped of their Commands and if a Political System is not in place that automatically strains out corruption, don't even THINK of calling elections. Elections, under present conditions will be a lit fuse!

If y'all don't want The Joseph Solution, Thailand would be better off to call in advisers from Burma and N Korea. At least these 2 countries know how to run a Thai style Government in the correct manner. Seriously! STOP being Opened AND Closed, it's insane. SP / LIT personality disorder.

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When these committees fail miserably, which they will, don't turn around and blame the passengers, huh? Take the drunk driver to task, the badge collectors.

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Saying all that Anand is one of the 3 or 4 Dignitaries in Thailand that I have read about that seems okay. Too bad he did not have the sense to decline.

Edited June 21, 2010 by eggomaniac

[d0om4gloom]

Another opinion that starts off with 'poor Thailand' and then goes straight into another attack on the red shirts. Well that will be another step on the reconciliation road map will it ?

[OneZero]

What is the Joseph Plan???

[hideki]

What is the Joseph Plan???

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[nickjam]

How can people be expected to enter into any sort of reconciliation process when the entire process is being conducted by the side that seized power, brutally suppressed a protest and basically controls everything? You wouldn't enter a card game when the previous dealer was forcibly removed, cards are hand selected and all the players are playing together against you and have armed guards ready to bash you over your head, would you?

If Abhisit allowed investigators, forensic teams and academics allied to both "yellow" and "red" sides to conduct investigations we may begin to get somewhere. Full transparency and no immunity from prosecution for all perpetrators of violence (including the PM and military generals) is what's needed but lets be honest, that's never going to happen.

I support the continued pursuit of Thaksin and army generals (for Thak Bai Massacre and drug crackdown) and now think this government and current military regime needs to face justice for its butchery of so many last month. Again, I know its pie in the sky but this article is in a similar vein. You can't say "let's forget all this and just get along" when the stakes are so high and so many have lost their lives.

p.s. I really felt that Abhisit with his background and eloquence could have been a great PM. Imagine if he had refused to take power when it was handed to him and said something like, it would be inappropriate for me to take this role under these circumstances and without the full backing of the Thai people. I will work hard to prove myself to them and gain their trust so that I may serve them with their full support" Now there's a man I would have followed.

[kuffki]

there is another solution to end all problems

1. Give Thaksin back his money

2. Give all or main red leaders key positions in the government so they can make some money through corruption of course.

Rest assured once both are done, all problems will stop and every single one of those leaders will forget all about Thaksin or the people and will do all in their power to make all "good" for Thailand

[jayjay0]

Another opinion that starts off with 'poor Thailand' and then goes straight into another attack on the red shirts. Well that will be another step on the reconciliation road map will it ?

The article ends with

Thailand has suffered enough and the time of criticism and denouncement has ended. Citizens of the Kingdom who wish to see a better tomorrow must now turn to be creative, not destructive, and remain resolute in the belief that the nation can overcome its impasse. It is time that the heads of the anti-government movement make good on their declarations of care for the Thai public and step back from their rally posts and allow the healing to begin."

You have a problem with what part of this statement." Is it where they say that the anti government movement make good on there declaration of care for the Thai public.

Do you take exception to the statement citizens should be creative not destructive

Are you proposing they should continue to be allowed to terrarize Bangkok, invade hospitals and try to burn the city down.

Enlighten me please.

"

[jayjay0]

How can people be expected to enter into any sort of reconciliation process when the entire process is being conducted by the side that seized power, brutally suppressed a protest and basically controls everything? You wouldn't enter a card game when the previous dealer was forcibly removed, cards are hand selected and all the players are playing together against you and have armed guards ready to bash you over your head, would you?

If Abhisit allowed investigators, forensic teams and academics allied to both "yellow" and "red" sides to conduct investigations we may begin to get somewhere. Full transparency and no immunity from prosecution for all perpetrators of violence (including the PM and military generals) is what's needed but lets be honest, that's never going to happen.

I support the continued pursuit of Thaksin and army generals (for Thak Bai Massacre and drug crackdown) and now think this government and current military regime needs to face justice for its butchery of so many last month. Again, I know its pie in the sky but this article is in a similar vein. You can't say "let's forget all this and just get along" when the stakes are so high and so many have lost their lives.

p.s. I really felt that Abhisit with his background and eloquence could have been a great PM. Imagine if he had refused to take power when it was handed to him and said something like, it would be inappropriate for me to take this role under these circumstances and without the full backing of the Thai people. I will work hard to prove myself to them and gain their trust so that I may serve them with their full support" Now there's a man I would have followed.

What do you mean by brutally surppressed a protest.

If you had been here at the start you would know that the Government allowed them to protest.

It was only when they decided that protesting was not enough they had to invade the rights of the honest hard working citizens all around them that the Government started to take steps. They made a concious decision to continue with there invasion of private citizens rights and ability to work and make a honest living. They did this with armed resistance.

You might want to take a closer look at who you are getting into bed with. And while you are at it see if you can think of another country that would have put up with there actions.

[nickjam]

How can people be expected to enter into any sort of reconciliation process when the entire process is being conducted by the side that seized power, brutally suppressed a protest and basically controls everything? You wouldn't enter a card game when the previous dealer was forcibly removed, cards are hand selected and all the players are playing together against you and have armed guards ready to bash you over your head, would you?

If Abhisit allowed investigators, forensic teams and academics allied to both "yellow" and "red" sides to conduct investigations we may begin to get somewhere. Full transparency and no immunity from prosecution for all perpetrators of violence (including the PM and military generals) is what's needed but lets be honest, that's never going to happen.

I support the continued pursuit of Thaksin and army generals (for Thak Bai Massacre and drug crackdown) and now think this government and current military regime needs to face justice for its butchery of so many last month. Again, I know its pie in the sky but this article is in a similar vein. You can't say "let's forget all this and just get along" when the stakes are so high and so many have lost their lives.

p.s. I really felt that Abhisit with his background and eloquence could have been a great PM. Imagine if he had refused to take power when it was handed to him and said something like, it would be inappropriate for me to take this role under these circumstances and without the full backing of the Thai people. I will work hard to prove myself to them and gain their trust so that I may serve them with their full support" Now there's a man I would have followed.

What do you mean by brutally surppressed a protest.

If you had been here at the start you would know that the Government allowed them to protest.

It was only when they decided that protesting was not enough they had to invade the rights of the honest hard working citizens all around them that the Government started to take steps. They made a concious decision to continue with there invasion of private citizens rights and ability to work and make a honest living. They did this with armed resistance.

You might want to take a closer look at who you are getting into bed with. And while you are at it see if you can think of another country that would have put up with there actions.

What do I mean by brutally suppressed a protest???? I mean that 80+ people are dead, shot in the head with live ammunition by high velocity weapons! What about water cannons, rubber bullets, percussion grenades. There were so many other options to disperse the crowds without the loss off life. Hey, I'd have brought in a giant muck spreader and dropped a load of manure on them. I hate the argument along the lines of "other countries wouldn't have allowed this". Can you please tell me which other government has done this to protesting citizens? Even Iran, the supposed mother of evil states only killed a handful to suppress the anti-government protests. You might want to look at your willingness to ignore the slaughter of citizens. "If I had been here at the start...."I've been here since 2003 and watched this whole mess unfold, there were tanks outside my condo!

[jackdawson]

Now there's a man I would have followed.

i am sure the PM lies awake at night wishing he had ur support

[jayjay0]

How can people be expected to enter into any sort of reconciliation process when the entire process is being conducted by the side that seized power, brutally suppressed a protest and basically controls everything? You wouldn't enter a card game when the previous dealer was forcibly removed, cards are hand selected and all the players are playing together against you and have armed guards ready to bash you over your head, would you?

If Abhisit allowed investigators, forensic teams and academics allied to both "yellow" and "red" sides to conduct investigations we may begin to get somewhere. Full transparency and no immunity from prosecution for all perpetrators of violence (including the PM and military generals) is what's needed but lets be honest, that's never going to happen.

I support the continued pursuit of Thaksin and army generals (for Thak Bai Massacre and drug crackdown) and now think this government and current military regime needs to face justice for its butchery of so many last month. Again, I know its pie in the sky but this article is in a similar vein. You can't say "let's forget all this and just get along" when the stakes are so high and so many have lost their lives.

p.s. I really felt that Abhisit with his background and eloquence could have been a great PM. Imagine if he had refused to take power when it was handed to him and said something like, it would be inappropriate for me to take this role under these circumstances and without the full backing of the Thai people. I will work hard to prove myself to them and gain their trust so that I may serve them with their full support" Now there's a man I would have followed.

What do you mean by brutally surppressed a protest.

If you had been here at the start you would know that the Government allowed them to protest.

It was only when they decided that protesting was not enough they had to invade the rights of the honest hard working citizens all around them that the Government started to take steps. They made a concious decision to continue with there invasion of private citizens rights and ability to work and make a honest living. They did this with armed resistance.

You might want to take a closer look at who you are getting into bed with. And while you are at it see if you can think of another country that would have put up with there actions.

What do I mean by brutally suppressed a protest???? I mean that 80+ people are dead, shot in the head with live ammunition by high velocity weapons! What about water cannons, rubber bullets, percussion grenades. There were so many other options to disperse the crowds without the loss off life. Hey, I'd have brought in a giant muck spreader and dropped a load of manure on them. I hate the argument along the lines of "other countries wouldn't have allowed this". Can you please tell me which other government has done this to protesting citizens? Even Iran, the supposed mother of evil states only killed a handful to suppress the anti-government protests. You might want to look at your willingness to ignore the slaughter of citizens. "If I had been here at the start...."I've been here since 2003 and watched this whole mess unfold, there were tanks outside my condo!

As I said if you had been here you would know the protest was allowed. There was no problem until the red shirts decided to take over the lives of unsuspecting honest citizens. At that time it became terrioism. To put them out of work and thus deprive them of there livly hood. To turn a large area of central Bangkok in to a war zone. That is by no means a protest that is terrioism. You forget that these so called peaceful demenstrators were armed.

Funny you should mention Iran. I believe thewm to be a evil state but as you said they would not do this to there citizens. They arrest the ring leaders and get rid of them before they can cause any trouble. Perhaps you can cite me examples in other countries of terriorists being allowed to carry on such as the red shirts did for two months without the government stopping them. NO I thought that would be your answer. On the other hand I know it is not democracy but I agree with you on Iran Thailand should stop these rabbe rowsers before they start. On a final note why did the red shirts not use water canons, rubber bullets and percussion grenades. Or all these other options they had.

[nickjam]

How can people be expected to enter into any sort of reconciliation process when the entire process is being conducted by the side that seized power, brutally suppressed a protest and basically controls everything? You wouldn't enter a card game when the previous dealer was forcibly removed, cards are hand selected and all the players are playing together against you and have armed guards ready to bash you over your head, would you?

If Abhisit allowed investigators, forensic teams and academics allied to both "yellow" and "red" sides to conduct investigations we may begin to get somewhere. Full transparency and no immunity from prosecution for all perpetrators of violence (including the PM and military generals) is what's needed but lets be honest, that's never going to happen.

I support the continued pursuit of Thaksin and army generals (for Thak Bai Massacre and drug crackdown) and now think this government and current military regime needs to face justice for its butchery of so many last month. Again, I know its pie in the sky but this article is in a similar vein. You can't say "let's forget all this and just get along" when the stakes are so high and so many have lost their lives.

p.s. I really felt that Abhisit with his background and eloquence could have been a great PM. Imagine if he had refused to take power when it was handed to him and said something like, it would be inappropriate for me to take this role under these circumstances and without the full backing of the Thai people. I will work hard to prove myself to them and gain their trust so that I may serve them with their full support" Now there's a man I would have followed.

What do you mean by brutally surppressed a protest.

If you had been here at the start you would know that the Government allowed them to protest.

It was only when they decided that protesting was not enough they had to invade the rights of the honest hard working citizens all around them that the Government started to take steps. They made a concious decision to continue with there invasion of private citizens rights and ability to work and make a honest living. They did this with armed resistance.

You might want to take a closer look at who you are getting into bed with. And while you are at it see if you can think of another country that would have put up with there actions.

What do I mean by brutally suppressed a protest???? I mean that 80+ people are dead, shot in the head with live ammunition by high velocity weapons! What about water cannons, rubber bullets, percussion grenades. There were so many other options to disperse the crowds without the loss off life. Hey, I'd have brought in a giant muck spreader and dropped a load of manure on them. I hate the argument along the lines of "other countries wouldn't have allowed this". Can you please tell me which other government has done this to protesting citizens? Even Iran, the supposed mother of evil states only killed a handful to suppress the anti-government protests. You might want to look at your willingness to ignore the slaughter of citizens. "If I had been here at the start...."I've been here since 2003 and watched this whole mess unfold, there were tanks outside my condo!

As I said if you had been here you would know the protest was allowed. There was no problem until the red shirts decided to take over the lives of unsuspecting honest citizens. At that time it became terrioism. To put them out of work and thus deprive them of there livly hood. To turn a large area of central Bangkok in to a war zone. That is by no means a protest that is terrioism. You forget that these so called peaceful demenstrators were armed.

Funny you should mention Iran. I believe thewm to be a evil state but as you said they would not do this to there citizens. They arrest the ring leaders and get rid of them before they can cause any trouble. Perhaps you can cite me examples in other countries of terriorists being allowed to carry on such as the red shirts did for two months without the government stopping them. NO I thought that would be your answer. On the other hand I know it is not democracy but I agree with you on Iran Thailand should stop these rabbe rowsers before they start. On a final note why did the red shirts not use water canons, rubber bullets and percussion grenades. Or all these other options they had.

Considering that you somehow continue to assume that I "wasn't here" when I've already clearly told you that I was and you are also now answering questions in my name before you've given me the chance to respond, makes further discussions with you pointless. I'm off for a beer. As for JackDawson, your dismissive comment can be inserted where the sun don't shine.

[asiawatcher]

How can people be expected to enter into any sort of reconciliation process when the entire process is being conducted by the side that seized power, brutally suppressed a protest and basically controls everything? You wouldn't enter a card game when the previous dealer was forcibly removed, cards are hand selected and all the players are playing together against you and have armed guards ready to bash you over your head, would you?

If Abhisit allowed investigators, forensic teams and academics allied to both "yellow" and "red" sides to conduct investigations we may begin to get somewhere. Full transparency and no immunity from prosecution for all perpetrators of violence (including the PM and military generals) is what's needed but lets be honest, that's never going to happen.

I support the continued pursuit of Thaksin and army generals (for Thak Bai Massacre and drug crackdown) and now think this government and current military regime needs to face justice for its butchery of so many last month. Again, I know its pie in the sky but this article is in a similar vein. You can't say "let's forget all this and just get along" when the stakes are so high and so many have lost their lives.

p.s. I really felt that Abhisit with his background and eloquence could have been a great PM. Imagine if he had refused to take power when it was handed to him and said something like, it would be inappropriate for me to take this role under these circumstances and without the full backing of the Thai people. I will work hard to prove myself to them and gain their trust so that I may serve them with their full support" Now there's a man I would have followed.

Yawn - not another one... too much CNN and BBC for you - say good night Dick ("G'night Dick")

[eggomaniac]

What is the Joseph Plan???

Google says:

Welcome to Joseph Plan Foundation

The Joseph Plan Foundation is a non-profit educational foundation dedicated to inspiring individuals and the general public to achieve fulfillment through charitable service.

Founded by Tara Singh in 1993, the Foundation responds to opportunities to contribute to the service work of others and disseminates materials which instruct, uplift and inspire.

To Joseph Plan Foundation, it is you, the individual who is important.

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Disclaimer

Until now, I had never heard of "The Joseph Plan Foundation". It looks like a good organization but has nothing to do with The Joseph Solution or The Joseph Plan, my problem concepts for Thailand that I have been working on for nearly 2 years.

[OneZero]

What is the Joseph Plan???

Google says:

Welcome to Joseph Plan Foundation

The Joseph Plan Foundation is a non-profit educational foundation dedicated to inspiring individuals and the general public to achieve fulfillment through charitable service.

Founded by Tara Singh in 1993, the Foundation responds to opportunities to contribute to the service work of others and disseminates materials which instruct, uplift and inspire.

To Joseph Plan Foundation, it is you, the individual who is important.

Home

Disclaimer

Until now, I had never heard of "The Joseph Plan Foundation". It looks like a good organization but has nothing to do with The Joseph Solution or The Joseph Plan, my problem concepts for Thailand that I have been working on for nearly 2 years.

Can you educate us further?