Prostitution : Is It Wrong To Pay For Sex ?

[uptoyoumyfriend]

marriage is good for companionship.

sex is another matter,

that's where we can learn from traditional Asians who know how to have a family and a mistress.

who are devoted fathers and go to the massage parlor. without making a big deal out of it.:jap:

however: no money no honey applies worldwide

[Valdezugar]

however: no money no honey applies worldwide

+1.

[dumball]

This thread reminds me of an adage bandied around years ago " A man comes from a woman , enjoyed the comfort zone so much , he spends the rest of his life trying to get back in " , sounds about right to me .

[GuestHouse]

Someone, (Jingting i believe) brought up the topic of "abuses" earlier on..

I think it should be pointed out that if there were NO pay for play..ANYWHERE in the world..we would see enormous rise in the incidences of rape and other such abuses..and them not only being perpertrated on women.

This is a claim that people in support of legalized prostitution often make but one that is denounced by people working with the victims/perpetrators of sex crimes and one demonstrably wrong - evidence right on your door step here in Thailand.

Prostitution is widely and cheaply available throughout Thailand, embedded deep in the fabric of Thai society - and yet the incidence of Rape in Thailand is shockingly high.

For all sorts of understandable reasons Rape is always an under reported crime, but you need not rely on statistics. Talk to Thai women you know, if you have more than a few dozen female Thai friends you'll almost certainly find you know at least one who has been raped, and several who have at some time been sexually assaulted. Alternatively talk to your wife about rape in Thailand.

Text book criminology/psychology - Rape is not about sex, it's a crime of abuse and power.

The more imbalanced social power is in favour or men the more Rapes occur. And coincidentally the higher the incidence of prostitution.

[Thongkorn]

Maybe if people started to think why some of these girls /ladys do it , because they have nothing.I call it abuse of another human. Not all want to be where they are,

Edited July 13, 2010 by Thongkorn

[mark45y]

I tried paying a Thai woman who thought she was my wife the “as you go rate.” I established rates for the various activities and instead of giving her an allowance I paid her for the various activities.

It worked pretty well except if she overslept and didn’t wake up till I was on my way out the door for work.

She would come running out the door after me in her nightgown and robe saying, “you can’t leave yet we haven’t had sex.”

The neighbors still talk about it.

She eventually saved enough money to open a bar and left.

It did change the traditional roles of man and woman. She became the aggressor. If my sex drive had matched her need for money it might have been marriage made in heaven.

Before you ladies and gentlemen dismiss this post as an attempt at humor think about it for a minute.

Some posters have compared marriage to a pay 4 play arrangement. Some have compared pay 4 play to marriage.

In a rational society one would put a fair price on a thing and if one wanted that thing pay that price.

The price of things of course change with time. As time goes by men want sex less and the woman is usually not the lithesome young beauty queen they married.

Any further comments by me on this issue might tend to objectify women. I certainly don’t want to do that.

I realize it is OK to objectify men as being old and fat and bald and without personality only able to attract a woman in a pay for play relationship but that’s part of the new deal isn’t it.

However the neighbors after seeing my lady’s behavior began to wonder if the stereotype was accurate.

[mark45y]

Someone, (Jingting i believe) brought up the topic of "abuses" earlier on..

I think it should be pointed out that if there were NO pay for play..ANYWHERE in the world..we would see enormous rise in the incidences of rape and other such abuses..and them not only being perpertrated on women.

This is a claim that people in support of legalized prostitution often make but one that is denounced by people working with the victims/perpetrators of sex crimes and one demonstrably wrong - evidence right on your door step here in Thailand.

Prostitution is widely and cheaply available throughout Thailand, embedded deep in the fabric of Thai society - and yet the incidence of Rape in Thailand is shockingly high.

For all sorts of understandable reasons Rape is always an under reported crime, but you need not rely on statistics. Talk to Thai women you know, if you have more than a few dozen female Thai friends you'll almost certainly find you know at least one who has been raped, and several who have at some time been sexually assaulted. Alternatively talk to your wife about rape in Thailand.

Text book criminology/psychology - Rape is not about sex, it's a crime of abuse and power.

The more imbalanced social power is in favour or men the more Rapes occur. And coincidentally the higher the incidence of prostitution.

Are you really saying that countries who have a far worse reputation for female abuse than Thailand also have a high rate of prostitution? You can’t really mean that. You might want to check out Korea and most of Latin America let alone the Middle Eastern countries.

You can't think that women in Thailand have a worse time than Afghanistan.

[cardholder]

I tried paying a Thai woman who thought she was my wife the "as you go rate." I established rates for the various activities and instead of giving her an allowance I paid her for the various activities.

It worked pretty well except if she overslept and didn't wake up till I was on my way out the door for work.

She would come running out the door after me in her nightgown and robe saying, "you can't leave yet we haven't had sex."

The neighbors still talk about it.

She eventually saved enough money to open a bar and left.

It did change the traditional roles of man and woman. She became the aggressor. If my sex drive had matched her need for money it might have been marriage made in heaven.

Before you ladies and gentlemen dismiss this post as an attempt at humor think about it for a minute.

Some posters have compared marriage to a pay 4 play arrangement. Some have compared pay 4 play to marriage.

In a rational society one would put a fair price on a thing and if one wanted that thing pay that price.

The price of things of course change with time. As time goes by men want sex less and the woman is usually not the lithesome young beauty queen they married.

Any further comments by me on this issue might tend to objectify women. I certainly don't want to do that.

I realize it is OK to objectify men as being old and fat and bald and without personality only able to attract a woman in a pay for play relationship but that's part of the new deal isn't it.

However the neighbors after seeing my lady's behavior began to wonder if the stereotype was accurate.

You are indeed a tricky one one Mark. Maybe you can have a short-time contract (with appropriately defined terms that avoid any embarrassment with neighbours) and a little PAYG model for those business trips/holidays

[mark45y]

Maybe if people started to think why some of these girls /ladys do it , because they have nothing.I call it abuse of another human. Not all want to be where they are,

Education and experience is a wonderful thing and very useful when making sweeping generalizations.

I have lived in Pattaya for two years, Chiang Mai for 1 year, Bangkok for one year and the East coast of Thailand for 2 years.

I like hookers so I have spent a lot of time talking to them. I especially like to talk to hookers when they first arrive in the new city.

At first they are afraid because it is a big city or a strange city full of new people and new things. They want to go home. They all have different reasons for coming. 50% is purely monetary nothing to do with family or domestic need. 24% is to support their kids. 24% to support the lazy good for nothing husband. 2% is to support the family.

What’s the first thing these ladies do when they get some cash. Have a piercing, a tattoo and buy some sexy underwear.

After a couple of weeks the other ladies coach them so their story is good enough to extract money and sympathy from all but seasoned Farangs.

After a month or two they begin taking pills to lose weight. You know what kind of pills.

Never trust a skinny business lady.

Where does the money go? Family? Kids? Nope it goes to dealers. Sad. The incidence of this has increased dramatically in the past five years.

[GuestHouse]

Are you really saying that countries who have a far worse reputation for female abuse than Thailand also have a high rate of prostitution? You can’t really mean that. You might want to check out Korea and most of Latin America let alone the Middle Eastern countries.

You can't think that women in Thailand have a worse time than Afghanistan.

I'm not sure about Korea, but there's absolutely no shortage of prostitution or rape in Brazil, Columbia or Mexico. But your right, the Muslim world is a bit of an oddity - Prostitution banned in some states, but not in others - so we have the weekend Causeway traffic jam from Saudi Arabia where prostitution is illegal to Bahrain where it is thinly hidden.

Rapes in Afghanistan - here's a prime example of the unreliability of rape statistics - Reporting a rape in Afghanistan and much of the Muslim world places the victim at risk of imprisonment, flogging or even stoning to death.

Rapes undoubtedly occur in these places, prostitution is illegal but they are the extreme case and not evidence that Rape is not a crime of abuse and power. Far from it.

Are you disputing Rape is a crime of abuse and power?

[roiethome]

There is a saying "marriage is legalized prostitution". In other words we all end up paying for sex one way or another.

[mark45y]

Are you really saying that countries who have a far worse reputation for female abuse than Thailand also have a high rate of prostitution? You can’t really mean that. You might want to check out Korea and most of Latin America let alone the Middle Eastern countries.

You can't think that women in Thailand have a worse time than Afghanistan.

I'm not sure about Korea, but there's absolutely no shortage of prostitution or rape in Brazil, Columbia or Mexico. But your right, the Muslim world is a bit of an oddity - Prostitution banned in some states, but not in others - so we have the weekend Causeway traffic jam from Saudi Arabia where prostitution is illegal to Bahrain where it is thinly hidden.

Rapes in Afghanistan - here's a prime example of the unreliability of rape statistics - Reporting a rape in Afghanistan and much of the Muslim world places the victim at risk of imprisonment, flogging or even stoning to death.

Rapes undoubtedly occur in these places, prostitution is illegal but they are the extreme case and not evidence that Rape is not a crime of abuse and power. Far from it.

Are you disputing Rape is a crime of abuse and power?

No I am saying there is no correlation between abuse and prostitution. My daughter was going out with a Korean guy so I researched Koreans in the US and they had the largest percent of spousal abuse number two was Latin Americans.

[SoftWater]

Women are not sexual beings in the same way as men.

To men sex is a way of bonding with a woman. This is why a man can fall in love very quickly (prostitutes included) after only one sex session because the bonding has taken place.

Women have a totally different perception of sexual intercourse. They use sex as a way of gaining something they want. The attachment to a man, children, status or an income as in prostitution.

Very few, if any women experience orgasm. Not like as in porn movies that is all faked. I have known women who went without sex for years and it did not bother them. This is one reason women are known to go off sex once they are married, established and had children. Because they have gained what they want. If the woman decides to find another guy, she begins the whole process again. Sex to archive..

For men, having intercourse with someone they don't fancy may seem repulsive; this is because men consider sex and love as a team. But for women sex and love is often 2 completely different functions.

I have read some silly, silly silly things on TV before now, but this leaves me...speechless.

[thaiman]

It's only wrong if you think it's wrong. Goes for everything else too.

I think that is a pretty realistic comment, and as long as both parties are consenting, without it being enforced; i.e that the sex worker is bonded, etc, etc... go ahead and enjoy.

Sorry, but that is just plain wrong. Many things are illegal for a good reason.

Illegality and right and wrong are two different things. What is right and wrong is subjective. Everybody has their own "right and wrong" manual. Some create their manuals from religion, others from the law, and a few from their own delusions.

[GuestHouse]

No I am saying there is no correlation between abuse and prostitution. My daughter was going out with a Korean guy so I researched Koreans in the US and they had the largest percent of spousal abuse number two was Latin Americans.

There is a correlation between the imbalance of social power and prostitution. The exception being parts of the Muslim world where controlling women and moral crusades are a sell for Islam to men.

The same correlation exists between imbalance of social power and rape.

And getting back to Thailand - Huge sex industry and shockingly high levels of rape and sexual abuse.

[mark45y]

No I am saying there is no correlation between abuse and prostitution. My daughter was going out with a Korean guy so I researched Koreans in the US and they had the largest percent of spousal abuse number two was Latin Americans.

There is a correlation between the imbalance of social power and prostitution. The exception being parts of the Muslim world where controlling women and moral crusades are a sell for Islam to men.

The same correlation exists between imbalance of social power and rape.

And getting back to Thailand - Huge sex industry and shockingly high levels of rape and sexual abuse.

I think if you take a good look around SEA and the Middle East, Pakistan and so on you will find there are more exceptions than rules. Not much prostitution in Burma or Laos or Cambodia or Vietnam compared to Thailand. Still the same male dominate scenario.

[SoftWater]

If prostitution is a profession, then shouldn't we say all those fine upstanding ladies having sex NOT for money are ....amateurs?

Edited July 13, 2010 by SoftWater

[fletchsmile]

Slightly different perspective:

Question 1: Which is more important to you: your mind or your body?

If you're unsure perhaps consider: Would you rather have a physical disability with a healthy mind or a mental disability living in a vegetative state but with a healthy body?

Question 2: How many people sell or rent their mind or brain day in day out in their work?

Question 3: For those that consider their mind more important than their body what does that say about those using their brains at work all day to earn a salary?

Some people sell/rent their minds, some people sell/rent their bodies... is life really that simple?

I'll leave judgements to others...

Edited July 13, 2010 by fletchsmile

[kuma]

Their is nothing wrong with paying for sex

Men have always paid for sex one way or another.

Sex for pay should be legal and available every where. It would be a better world if it was.

It already is...well available anyway

[Padrino]

The answers to this topicpersonify the reason I stopped posting on thaivisa. However, seeing this topicon twitter I was compelled to read it and see the atrocious dribbleand ignorant remarks. But I guess that is reflective of the expat community asa whole. No one ever seems to open up their brain on this particular topic, but I guess itis a good chance to justify one's actions to oneself.

The fact thatprostitution wouldn't exist outside of a monetary system proves thatthere is a problem with its existence. The ramifications prostitution has forwomen in Thailand are extremely depressing. If you have ever worked on theother side of the fence rather than trawling nana or cowboy for an ego boost you might thinkdifferently.

Most prostitution in Thailand isfuelled by an education system that fails the poor and societalregional prejudice. For example; Government statistics show that 1 in 3prostitutes in Chiang Mai are Burmese refugees orfrom indigenous groups who have no access to education, live inpoverty, lack citizenship and are under constant harassment byauthorities. Many hill tribe children as young as three years old areforced to work for a living. This work usually consists of walking the streetsat night and selling flowers from bar to bar and at stop lights until the earlyhours of the morning. Because of the location where these children work, it isnot unusual for some to become involved in the child sex-trade. It is notuncommon for girls to leave their mountain homes in search of gainfulemployment. Due to their lack of education, this prospect is soon quashed andthe girls find themselves entering or being sold into the sex industry.

You might argue that manyThai prostitutes are working by choice, but consider the otherchoices and how viable they are in terms of providing the kind of life you would expect to lead. The responsibility of sending money home to parents and succeeding asan asset rather than being a family burden lay heavy within the culture. Worldpopular culture driven by materialism and gain (sadlymore prevalent in Thailand than most countries) makes people chooseavenues they wouldn't if they were exposed to truth and betteropportunity. No child in school aspires to be a prostitute and sleep withundesirable western or Thai men. Somewhere along the way we as a society failthese women yet we make generalised justifications about prostitution in orderto not have to face our own misgivings. We humans adopt asimilar attitude when it comes to war and charity.

And what of the future of thesewomen, are they able to have normal relationships post their stint as aprostitute? In my experience very few enjoy stable sexual relationships afterliterally being physically abused. You may treat a prostitute gently, but themajority of men due to their own insecurities, internal hatred and lifefailings seek to buy power temporarily and dominate their subjectoften to painful levels.

I am sure some of you will replygiving examples of high society prostitutes in the West who make a tidy livingand love what they do etc... But please have the intelligence to realize theriver runs deeper than that, there are alwaysemotional repercussions and indeed there is always the exception tothe rule, but don't use an exception to ignore the truth.

Perhaps prostitution would befine if we men didn't subject prostitutes to further degradation bylabelling them slags, hookers, whores, dirty bitches etc. We pay them, shagthem, brag to our mates about how filthy they are and generally dehumanize themso that society perceives the profession as scum. You'd shag one, butwould you marry one, or at least admit to marrying one? You seeit isn't just the profession that is wrong it is the labelling anddehumanization, the stripping of the soul - it all comes as a package. Contrary to popular belief, prostitution isn't acceptable in society, ignored perhaps but once a girl has been known to be working in this area she is tainted goods, as in most countries. Gossip prevails and face is completely lost - but who cares, she's just a whore, right? Someone to pay for sex not someone who deserves love.

And what of trafficking? Why domen not seem to be able to make the connection between themselves andtrafficked women. The lawful purchase of sexual services increases the overalldemand for women in the sex industry which in turn creates the demand fortrafficked women. Real sexual relationships are not hard to find. Thereare plenty of adults of both sexes who are willing to have sex if someonetreats them well, and asks. But there lies the problem. Some people do not wantan equal, sharing relationship. They do not want to be nice. They do not wantto ask. They like the power involved in buying a human being who can be made todo almost anything.

Is it okay to pay for sex? Not if it robs someone's soul, deprives them of love, exposes them to abuse, makes them unhappy and steals their right to be respected as a decent human being, no. And don't distance yourself from the problem, admit you are part of the problem like we all are..we are all humans and must take responsibility, not just hand over the green backs and wash our hands of our guilt because the woman can afford to eat for the rest of the week.

OH WHAT A PIECE OF WORK IS MAN...............

[Jingthing]

Oh, pleeeezzzeeeee! There are all kinds of jobs that are soul destroying. I know as I have held a number of them. Why single out prostitution as the only crappy job in the world? I have news for you. The vast majority of working people in the world did not dream of what they ended up doing when they were kids. Cry me a river.

Edited July 13, 2010 by Jingthing

[mrtoad]

Slightly different perspective:

Question 1: Which is more important to you: your mind or your body?

If you're unsure perhaps consider: Would you rather have a physical disability with a healthy mind or a mental disability living in a vegetative state but with a healthy body?

Question 2: How many people sell or rent their mind or brain day in day out in their work?

Question 3: For those that consider their mind more important than their body what does that say about those using their brains at work all day to earn a salary?

Some people sell/rent their minds, some people sell/rent their bodies... is life really that simple?

I'll leave judgements to others...

Plenty of judges and the usual moral crusaders hanging around on this thread. Nice points.

[MB1]

Oh, pleeeezzzeeeee! There are all kinds of jobs that are soul destroying. I know as I have held a number of them. Why single out prostitution as the only crappy job in the world? I have news for you. The vast majority of working people in the world did not dream of what they ended up doing when they were kids. Cry me a river.

Cry me one too, a few years ago "alledgedly", spectator magazine sent social workers into sex areas of Bangkok to look for under age workers and those forced into prostitution, all they found were over 18's happy working bargirls, Padrino, or should that be "PADRE" ask a prostitute if she'd rather work in the sex industry by choice or work in a fish factory, chicken factory, plant rice all day or work on a noodle stall or in macdonalds or KFC for poverty level wages which they see as degrading, so would rather work in the sex industry and earn a lot more money, most of the girls I've spoken to over the years seem very happy in doing what their doing.

Oh and PADRE it's said that certain negative social values that exist in Thailand contribute to the problems of widepread prostitution, one of these being the emphasis that Thai society places on a womans virginity which their meant to save for a husband, once a woman/young girl has lost it before getting married then they and others believe that they have no value.

Thailand has a long history of prostitution and not so long long ago it was legal..

Some of what I have posted comes from a Thailand Intimacy & Healthy Sexuality Research Report I bookmarked some time ago as I found it to be a very interesting article/read.

Link provided below for anyone interested in reading.

http://www.sexwork.com/Thailand/traditiions.html

Edited July 13, 2010 by MB1

[sokal]

Give WHAT away? Sex is never given away by women. There is always an attachment of some kind. That is the main reason why I prefer the working gals. I don't WANT an attachment later with all the tears and complaints. I've been through that far too many times

. And, I'll still say there is no one size fits all when it comes to sex. There are women who enjoy it and many who couldn't care one way or another. And others who frankly don't enjoy sex at all... despite acting like they do.

I have hesitated to post as this thread is not really Thai-related and has been on the verge of being closed (but the interest has remained high). However, Ian, I really have to disagree with you. There are plenty, and I mean plenty of women who want no commitments nor entanglements but merely an enjoyable roll in the hay.

No one size fits all is correct. And while some women certainly do use sex as the carrot for some other need of their own, and some women enjoy sex as part of bonding and a relationship, many women are just like many men. They like sex because it feels good and makes them happy.

That is just not true. There is not plenty of women who want just sex.

[PoeDogg]

I just went short-time; when finished I expressed my feelings that paying for sex could be wrong.

From her response I think she feels it is ok.

And the Charlie Sheen quote:

Charlie Sheen was being sentenced for using a prostitute; the judge asked him why a man like him would have to pay for sex. And Sheen reportedly replied: “I don’t pay them for sex. I pay them to leave.”

[sokal]

Some have come to view marriage as a pay as you lay option, which is at best tragic.

All marriages are based on the mans leverage, which is money and the womans leverage, which is sex.

That is why wealthier men have better looking wives, because these men have more money.

Its a fact

[sokal]

The answers to this topicpersonify the reason I stopped posting on thaivisa. However, seeing this topicon twitter I was compelled to read it and see the atrocious dribbleand ignorant remarks. But I guess that is reflective of the expat community asa whole. No one ever seems to open up their brain on this particular topic, but I guess itis a good chance to justify one's actions to oneself.

The fact thatprostitution wouldn't exist outside of a monetary system proves thatthere is a problem with its existence. The ramifications prostitution has forwomen in Thailand are extremely depressing. If you have ever worked on theother side of the fence rather than trawling nana or cowboy for an ego boost you might thinkdifferently.

Most prostitution in Thailand isfuelled by an education system that fails the poor and societalregional prejudice. For example; Government statistics show that 1 in 3prostitutes in Chiang Mai are Burmese refugees orfrom indigenous groups who have no access to education, live inpoverty, lack citizenship and are under constant harassment byauthorities. Many hill tribe children as young as three years old areforced to work for a living. This work usually consists of walking the streetsat night and selling flowers from bar to bar and at stop lights until the earlyhours of the morning. Because of the location where these children work, it isnot unusual for some to become involved in the child sex-trade. It is notuncommon for girls to leave their mountain homes in search of gainfulemployment. Due to their lack of education, this prospect is soon quashed andthe girls find themselves entering or being sold into the sex industry.

You might argue that manyThai prostitutes are working by choice, but consider the otherchoices and how viable they are in terms of providing the kind of life you would expect to lead. The responsibility of sending money home to parents and succeeding asan asset rather than being a family burden lay heavy within the culture. Worldpopular culture driven by materialism and gain (sadlymore prevalent in Thailand than most countries) makes people chooseavenues they wouldn't if they were exposed to truth and betteropportunity. No child in school aspires to be a prostitute and sleep withundesirable western or Thai men. Somewhere along the way we as a society failthese women yet we make generalised justifications about prostitution in orderto not have to face our own misgivings. We humans adopt asimilar attitude when it comes to war and charity.

And what of the future of thesewomen, are they able to have normal relationships post their stint as aprostitute? In my experience very few enjoy stable sexual relationships afterliterally being physically abused. You may treat a prostitute gently, but themajority of men due to their own insecurities, internal hatred and lifefailings seek to buy power temporarily and dominate their subjectoften to painful levels.

I am sure some of you will replygiving examples of high society prostitutes in the West who make a tidy livingand love what they do etc... But please have the intelligence to realize theriver runs deeper than that, there are alwaysemotional repercussions and indeed there is always the exception tothe rule, but don't use an exception to ignore the truth.

Perhaps prostitution would befine if we men didn't subject prostitutes to further degradation bylabelling them slags, hookers, whores, dirty bitches etc. We pay them, shagthem, brag to our mates about how filthy they are and generally dehumanize themso that society perceives the profession as scum. You'd shag one, butwould you marry one, or at least admit to marrying one? You seeit isn't just the profession that is wrong it is the labelling anddehumanization, the stripping of the soul - it all comes as a package. Contrary to popular belief, prostitution isn't acceptable in society, ignored perhaps but once a girl has been known to be working in this area she is tainted goods, as in most countries. Gossip prevails and face is completely lost - but who cares, she's just a whore, right? Someone to pay for sex not someone who deserves love.

And what of trafficking? Why domen not seem to be able to make the connection between themselves andtrafficked women. The lawful purchase of sexual services increases the overalldemand for women in the sex industry which in turn creates the demand fortrafficked women. Real sexual relationships are not hard to find. Thereare plenty of adults of both sexes who are willing to have sex if someonetreats them well, and asks. But there lies the problem. Some people do not wantan equal, sharing relationship. They do not want to be nice. They do not wantto ask. They like the power involved in buying a human being who can be made todo almost anything.

Is it okay to pay for sex? Not if it robs someone's soul, deprives them of love, exposes them to abuse, makes them unhappy and steals their right to be respected as a decent human being, no. And don't distance yourself from the problem, admit you are part of the problem like we all are..we are all humans and must take responsibility, not just hand over the green backs and wash our hands of our guilt because the woman can afford to eat for the rest of the week.

OH WHAT A PIECE OF WORK IS MAN...............

Umm no.

Thailand is just different, there is many countries in the world that are poor, have bad education systems and treat women as second class but none of these countries have the same view on sex as Thailand.

If not then why arnt guys going to Ukraine by the plane load to look for women ?

[MB1]

That is just not true. There is not plenty of women who want just sex.

Hope your joking Sokal, I've known many women who just want a <deleted>*k buddy with no strings or payment attached.

[sillyman99]

I like to see these type of threads, I like to see the responses from board members, many of whom seem so full of morals, so pure...............

In fact if it wasn't for the said topic of this thread, I sincerely doubt a large percentage of posters would even be here.

Of course, ThaiVisa members are different, yeah right.

Honesty costs you nothing folks, the ridiculous denials are in fact just that, ridiculous.

Why is it that so many expats I know ( and I know a lot ), met their wife or GF in a bar, but ThaiVisa members seem to never do this, is there a reason ?

It's nothing to do with wealth or age, my circle are O&G Workers, highly paid guys who can afford what they want, yet 100% of the guys I work with who live in Thailand met their GF or wife in a bar or similar establishment.

I can't understand why ThaiVisa members could be so different. I don't know one single guy that met his wife at the gates of the university and I've lived in Thailand for 19 years, yet ThaiVisa members seem to have this uncanny ability to get these girls with absolutely no problem at all.

Care to share your secrets ?

[MB1]

I like to see these type of threads, I like to see the responses from board members, many of whom seem so full of morals, so pure...............

In fact if it wasn't for the said topic of this thread, I sincerely doubt a large percentage of posters would even be here.

Of course, ThaiVisa members are different, yeah right.

Honesty costs you nothing folks, the ridiculous denials are in fact just that, ridiculous.

Why is it that so many expats I know ( and I know a lot ), met their wife or GF in a bar, but ThaiVisa members seem to never do this, is there a reason ?

It's nothing to do with wealth or age, my circle are O&G Workers, highly paid guys who can afford what they want, yet 100% of the guys I work with who live in Thailand met their GF or wife in a bar or similar establishment.

I can't understand why ThaiVisa members could be so different. I don't know one single guy that met his wife at the gates of the university and I've lived in Thailand for 19 years, yet ThaiVisa members seem to have this uncanny ability to get these girls with absolutely no problem at all.

Care to share your secrets ?

I'm gobsmacked, where have Thai Visa members denied in this thread that they met their wives or GF's in a bar, your so off topic your full of squirrel sh*t, what a silly man indeed.

Start a thread of your own on the subject you mention instead of thread jacking and see how far you get.

Edited July 13, 2010 by MB1