Rejected For 1 Year Multiple Entry Visa In Kl

[tijnebijn]

Did you put your address as being in Thailand on your application? Then this is why the multi-entry was rejected and you were advised to get an extension of stay through immigration in Thailand. You should not have been rejected for the visa but rather only given a single-entry non-o instead.

I have just returned from KL where I was given a multi entry and my home address was given as in Thailand, so this doesn't necessarily apply.

I was however surprised when I got home and my wife told me that the embassy had called her, asked her for her ID number and confirmation that she was my wife!!

Thats new !

before you know one of them is going to ask her how it looks like ' down under ' .....

ofcourse it will be easy if her husband came from Australia , so her answer may well be dry and very hot ....

sorry . :jap:

Edited August 27, 2010 by tijnebijn

[MANICMINER]

Considering all the costs and travelling around asia several times a year , flying to

your homecountry in my opinion could be cheaper costwise , especially if you can stay with family or friends , a couple of days and back you are ....

i am considering all my options, which is why i posted on this forum, including going to the uk. just wondering where the best places to go in the uk. somebody mentioned Cardiff. is Hull still an option? also, is the application process the same as in Asia i.e pick up the next day?

[Lite Beer]

Hull usually gets recommended in UK.

Apply by post and get your passport back in a few days.

You can also make an appointment and get your Visa on the spot.

[khunjake]

Did you put your address as being in Thailand on your application? Then this is why the multi-entry was rejected and you were advised to get an extension of stay through immigration in Thailand. You should not have been rejected for the visa but rather only given a single-entry non-o instead.

I have just returned from KL where I was given a multi entry and my home address was given as in Thailand, so this doesn't necessarily apply.

I was however surprised when I got home and my wife told me that the embassy had called her, asked her for her ID number and confirmation that she was my wife!!

Yes but how many expired Non-O Visa do you already have in your passport?

The same thing almost happened to me when dealing with the Thai Embassy in Seoul actually. I had 2 previously used Non-O visas (from different embassies though) and when I went to apply for the 3rd, they told me that they would only issue a 3 month, single-entry visa and that I needed to apply for an extension of stay with Thai Immigration. I then requested to speak to a higher level consular official and asked why I would not be given a multiple entry even though I provided all of the necessary documents. No response was given other than a shrug of course. At that point I said that I would just take the matter to the MoFA in Bangkok no problem. The officer said at that point ok, we will grant you the 1-Yr. multiple entry but next time I should apply for an extension of stay. I told the officer that I do not reside in Thailand so why do I need this type of extension? So anyway, long story short, it seems that the embassies are under instruction to tell Non-O applicants that if they already have used Non-Os that they need to apply for extension of stay from within Thailand.

[jazzbo]

Post #2 -- ... cause you have a legitimate right to stay with your family . Negative. Issuance of Visa; admittance to the Kingdom and extension of Visa is totally at the discretion of the respective officers.

[TAWP]

With your current UK passport you would get 15 days when entering at a land border and 30 days when entering at an airport.

You can always get a 60 day extension of stay based on your Thai wife from immigration, without the need to show money.

So if I, when I go to get my entry stamp transferred, also go to extend for 60 days on basis of marriage, this should be fairly smoothly done? What papers are required, costs 1900 as the other extensions and is the presence of the wife required?

We are in proceedings to divorce but it seems it will not be finished in the next 60 days... but then again, if it is, does the extension then also become void and null, forcing me to take an immediate 7 day-extension for 1900?

[Jimbo]

Yes.

A 60 day extension is not given back to back and some immigration offices limit it to once a year.

is the bangkok immigration office one to only issue extensions once a year?

I was told by officials at the Phuket immigration office that they will only do the 60 day extension (based on marriage with Thai) once a year.

[MANICMINER]

Did you put your address as being in Thailand on your application? Then this is why the multi-entry was rejected and you were advised to get an extension of stay through immigration in Thailand. You should not have been rejected for the visa but rather only given a single-entry non-o instead.

I have just returned from KL where I was given a multi entry and my home address was given as in Thailand, so this doesn't necessarily apply.

I was however surprised when I got home and my wife told me that the embassy had called her, asked her for her ID number and confirmation that she was my wife!!

I have never heard of this happening before. as i was rejected, and we both had the required documents, it seems that the KL embassy is at least scrutinizing the applications more carefully. prior to applying at KL, i went to singapore but only managed to get one multiple entry visa there, as they soon changed their policies after the influx of applicants there when penang stopped issuing multiple entry visas. one difference between my applications last year and this year is that they have changed the entrance where you enter the embassy - the yard outside the new area is larger and has a purpose built queuing lane, although most people just ignore it. also, about a year ago, they changed the times at which you applied and collected your passports. maybe the boss at KL is getting annoyed at the increased workload and all changes he has had to make. the word soon gets around that KL is the easy place to go to get visas of all types, so lets hope that they do not follow singapore's example.

[lopburi3]

With your current UK passport you would get 15 days when entering at a land border and 30 days when entering at an airport.

You can always get a 60 day extension of stay based on your Thai wife from immigration, without the need to show money.

So if I, when I go to get my entry stamp transferred, also go to extend for 60 days on basis of marriage, this should be fairly smoothly done? What papers are required, costs 1900 as the other extensions and is the presence of the wife required?

We are in proceedings to divorce but it seems it will not be finished in the next 60 days... but then again, if it is, does the extension then also become void and null, forcing me to take an immediate 7 day-extension for 1900?

Yes wife and living with wife required as well as id/marriage proof.

Yes extension would end with divorce.

[PoorSucker]

With your current UK passport you would get 15 days when entering at a land border and 30 days when entering at an airport.

You can always get a 60 day extension of stay based on your Thai wife from immigration, without the need to show money.

also, can you get 60 day extension on a 30 day entry?

Yes.

From Police order 777/2551

2.24 In the case of an alien visiting a Thai spouse or child:

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 60 days at a time.

(1) Proof of relationship.

(2) In the case of a spouse, their marital relationship shall be de jure (legitimate) and de facto.

[TAWP]

In case of kid, what papers are needed? I am going to assume they don't require the presence of my son at the immigrations atleast...(he is in school during work days).

[elliss]

i am considering all my options, which is why i posted on this forum, including going to the uk. just wondering where the best places to go in the uk. somebody mentioned Cardiff. is Hull still an option? also, is the application process the same as in Asia i.e pick up the next day?

hull and cardiff , are both good ,

depends which is the best for you .

get there early and

the visa is issued the same day, in cardiff.

and the lady there , jenny is a gem .

[jazzbo]

from the Thailand Travel Forum:

I am at work now but would appreciate any info on a care rental service that might rent out to us,

hopefully today...

from the above: In case of kid, what papers are needed ... ?

Just the same papers as you use for the extension of the Work Permit.

[kenallday]

I believe KL now have access to other nations criminal records so for example if you are on the sex offenders register you wont get your visa now - I am not suggesting you are merely pointing out what can happen now.

[MANICMINER]

I believe KL now have access to other nations criminal records so for example if you are on the sex offenders register you wont get your visa now - I am not suggesting you are merely pointing out what can happen now.

i certainly do not have a criminal record. the lines of questioning were about my long time stay in Thailand, with all my previous visas and stamps, and they asked for my home country bank accounts, so my rejection was based on my financial situation.

[kenallday]

I believe KL now have access to other nations criminal records so for example if you are on the sex offenders register you wont get your visa now - I am not suggesting you are merely pointing out what can happen now.

i certainly do not have a criminal record. the lines of questioning were about my long time stay in Thailand, with all my previous visas and stamps, and they asked for my home country bank accounts, so my rejection was based on my financial situation.

So you do not have enough money in the bank to support your famiily so you were rejected - I suppose you could get a job and save some money? Or you are being inexact about being a criminal? If you PM me with your details I can check the register for you

[MANICMINER]

I believe KL now have access to other nations criminal records so for example if you are on the sex offenders register you wont get your visa now - I am not suggesting you are merely pointing out what can happen now.

i certainly do not have a criminal record. the lines of questioning were about my long time stay in Thailand, with all my previous visas and stamps, and they asked for my home country bank accounts, so my rejection was based on my financial situation.

So you do not have enough money in the bank to support your famiily so you were rejected - I suppose you could get a job and save some money? Or you are being inexact about being a criminal? If you PM me with your details I can check the register for you

if you read the entire thread, the opposite is true: i have substantial savings, which means i do not have to work, and i chose to stop working to be with my wife and baby. as most people have salaries and travel frequently in and out of Thailand for work reasons, or are retired and have pensions, i am guessing the KL embassy finds this suspicious, but in Hong Kong where i worked before, it is common for people to have savings, as there is no state or private pensions - this is why income tax is very low in HK, and you are expected to save for old age. as the cost of living in thailand is lower, especially the with the high rents in HK, my money has more bang for the buck here.

[Hans Brix]

OP, all you need to do is the double entry tourist thing in Laos. That will work like a charm for you

[CosmicSurfer]

Post #2 -- ... cause you have a legitimate right to stay with your family . Negative. Issuance of Visa; admittance to the Kingdom and extension of Visa is totally at the discretion of the respective officers.

Correct.... Farang husbands or fathers with a Thai wife or children have NO Familial Rights to stay in Thailand at all...

Unless of course you are RICH!!!!!

CS

BTW.. this is in direct contradiction of both the UN Treaty on the Family (which Thailand is a signatory of), AND the Thai constitution... But what're a few legal documents between friends! TIT

Edited August 29, 2010 by CosmicSurfer

[saraburioz]

With your current UK passport you would get 15 days when entering at a land border and 30 days when entering at an airport.

You can always get a 60 day extension of stay based on your Thai wife from immigration, without the need to show money.

Something wrong here - yo have a Thai wife and you can't get a visa for more than 60 days?

[CosmicSurfer]

With your current UK passport you would get 15 days when entering at a land border and 30 days when entering at an airport.

You can always get a 60 day extension of stay based on your Thai wife from immigration, without the need to show money.

also, can you get 60 day extension on a 30 day entry?

Yes.

From Police order 777/2551

2.24 In the case of an alien visiting a Thai spouse or child:

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 60 days at a time.

(1) Proof of relationship.

(2) In the case of a spouse, their marital relationship shall be de jure (legitimate) and de facto.

DUHHHH.... PLEASE Correct me if I'm misinterpreting here, BUT doesn't 'de facto' mean "existing as a FACT...

or "LIVING TOGETHER" ??????

TIT

CS

Edited August 29, 2010 by CosmicSurfer

[JustinCredible]

Were you able to provide a logical source of funds? Do you believe it a foreign job and frequent travel might have been accepted as a reason for using this type of visa?

Not trying to question you but the more information for others the better and if you had a long conversation you might have picked up on what they might have been looking at.

they did ask if i had bank statements of my home country accounts, which i did not have as it was not one of the stated requirements. i am not of retiring age, and do not need to work, so looking back it could be that my age was of disadvantage to me - i guess it is a sin to be relatively young and wealthy - but this did not stop me from obtaining visas in the past. Maybe they wrongly assumed i must be working illegally in Thailand, so my guess is that people of retiring age or are frequent travellers will not have any problems. another strange thing was they actually stuck a multiple entry visa into my passport, but it was not stamped. when they offered me the single entry, they just crossed out the 'M' and wrote 'S' beside it, so i am thinking the boss change his mind at the last minute.

I am confused.

You do not need to work. You say you are young and wealthy.

Why do you not apply for a Married Extension at Imigration in Thailand?

[fxe1200]

I can only offer one piece of advice. I can personally attest that the Perth, Australia Thai consulate is an easy place to get a one year O visa. I merely had to say that I had a Thai gf (copy of id card and address) and I was in business. Others agree. Perhaps a trip to sunny Perth?

Perth is closing soon, I forgot the date, but the closing has been confirmed by their staff.

[MANICMINER]

Were you able to provide a logical source of funds? Do you believe it a foreign job and frequent travel might have been accepted as a reason for using this type of visa?

Not trying to question you but the more information for others the better and if you had a long conversation you might have picked up on what they might have been looking at.

they did ask if i had bank statements of my home country accounts, which i did not have as it was not one of the stated requirements. i am not of retiring age, and do not need to work, so looking back it could be that my age was of disadvantage to me - i guess it is a sin to be relatively young and wealthy - but this did not stop me from obtaining visas in the past. Maybe they wrongly assumed i must be working illegally in Thailand, so my guess is that people of retiring age or are frequent travellers will not have any problems. another strange thing was they actually stuck a multiple entry visa into my passport, but it was not stamped. when they offered me the single entry, they just crossed out the 'M' and wrote 'S' beside it, so i am thinking the boss change his mind at the last minute.

I am confused.

You do not need to work. You say you are young and wealthy.

Why do you not apply for a Married Extension at Imigration in Thailand?

Yes, i have done the 1 year extension before, but i find the whole process intrusive and demeaning, when they ask you questions like whether we are having sex or not - maybe i should take my baby along as proof. as this has to be done every year, i do not wish to put my wife through it again, unless as a last resort. i much prefer to get 1 year visas until i am of retirement age when i just have to provide proof of 800k in the bank, and apply on my own. i would just like to thank everybody for their suggestions and help. My plan of action is first to renew my British passport, and go try in penang. if that does not work out, i will go back to the uk. the uk option sounds like a sure thing, but if for some unknown reason they refuse me, i can just get a Hong Kong passport and come in on 30 days entries and tourist visas.

[TheWhiteFella]

Sorry your application got rejected . A bit of a surprise really cause you have a legitimate right to stay with your family .

perhaps they are shaping their policies again , I remember they did that before , and later on take it easy again , Penang even more so .

I've got no idea if you will be able to do it in penang , or if they are given it out there at the moment , sure some others know this from recent reports , so long they do not give you a red stamp in your passport it might be good to give it a try .

The 30 days VOA , or is it 15 ,is not as in the past , not unlimited anymore , the onlt other thing you could do is go to your home country to get a multiple or do the extension if you got 400k , its not that hard to do if you got the money .

Good luck and keep it posted how things are going , hope others will do too , so we can be warned and ready for possible situations .

btw you could try Bali as well , nice place to visit too . I know someone who got it a short while ago .

Thailand seems to change the rules daily, two months ago I got my one year Non 0 visa in Penang (through Banana Guest house on Chulia Street) I have 6 previous 1 hyear visas in this passport,,, I can't help but think there is a misunderstanding of some sort,, Good luck!!

[asiawatcher]

APEC is due to admit UK soon (and USA) and that is a 3 year card for Business Travel (you can go online and get one - which coast about USD180). You then can go to the overseas Consulate and apply for Non Imm or O-A and the visa s then geared to your APEC expiry allowing you a three year multiple entry. HK is an APEC member so your issues are solved there and then. No bank statements and none of the usual garbage. Aussies have been doing it for years. It also has around 18 other country visa waiver charges. This means places like VN -, China- no Visa charge and at airports you are permitted thru special lanes and diplomat lanes so no queuing with cattle class. Easy stamp and just brilliant.

Edited August 29, 2010 by asiawatcher

[CHANGOVER]

I am over 50, married to a Thai who accompanied me and I received my Multi O in KL last week. I have 8 previous Multi O visas from either London, Hull or Sofia and also only had 3 pages left in my passport but it is valid until 2014.

I went the over-documentation route and supplied 2 signed copies of everything including: letter from my wife asking the Embassy to give me a multi O, every passport page, copies of every page and original bank passbook with 130k in, UK bank statement, wife's ID, original and copies of Thai marriage certificate & translation, completed form (downloaded from KL website), blue house book, 550 ringit and 2 photo's.

I presented it in a sleeved presentation folder (50 baht from Big C) making their life as easy as possible. They looked at everything and took all the extra copies I had supplied.

Painless, apart from queuing in the heat outside as they have the shelter facing the sun!

Originally I'd planned to go to Penang but they require the same doc's but 400,000 in the bank which I didn't have so we had a 4 hour trip on a "NICE" bus (which is aptly named) to KL.

We'll fly direct to KL next year.

[MANICMINER]

Sorry your application got rejected . A bit of a surprise really cause you have a legitimate right to stay with your family .

perhaps they are shaping their policies again , I remember they did that before , and later on take it easy again , Penang even more so .

I've got no idea if you will be able to do it in penang , or if they are given it out there at the moment , sure some others know this from recent reports , so long they do not give you a red stamp in your passport it might be good to give it a try .

The 30 days VOA , or is it 15 ,is not as in the past , not unlimited anymore , the onlt other thing you could do is go to your home country to get a multiple or do the extension if you got 400k , its not that hard to do if you got the money .

Good luck and keep it posted how things are going , hope others will do too , so we can be warned and ready for possible situations .

btw you could try Bali as well , nice place to visit too . I know someone who got it a short while ago .

Thailand seems to change the rules daily, two months ago I got my one year Non 0 visa in Penang (through Banana Guest house on Chulia Street) I have 6 previous 1 hyear visas in this passport,,, I can't help but think there is a misunderstanding of some sort,, Good luck!!

i don't think their was a misunderstanding, as they did ask specifically for other bank account statements. At the time, i did not think why, but comments from another poster about 'logical funds' and 'frequent travellers' did make me realise that my personal and financial situation is not the same as most others. i honestly do believe that if i had my other bank statements with me i would have been approved, so ther people who are not of retiring age and living off their savings should take extra proof of funds. also, i believe that most people will not have problems getting 1 year visa from KL with normal documents required, but the real question is for how long? In the 6 years i have been married, i have received two 1 year visas from penang until they stopped issuing them, then one from singapore until they changed their policies, one in KL and then the rejection this time. KL has been the destination of choice for 1 year visas for about two years now, so statistically KL is due a policy change. i am sure that some time in the future, the only place to go is back to your home country.

[fullcave]

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[greens]

Your passport validity might have been the problem here and would indeed advise not to try anywhere else until you have a new passport.

my passport still has 4 years validity, but i now only have 3 full pages left, which is why i want to renew. but this was never mentioned as the reason for rejection. they definitely questioned the number of previous visas i had, and the number of stamps i had. i was taken into the back room to discuss the case, so it was a prolonged conversation.

Doesn't your Country of Passport issue More pages??Much easier than transferring needed stamps.