Crackdown On Pattaya Beach Road Prostitutes

[DLock]

" miles of crack whores, thieving ladyboys and feral street gays." - I think this says very little about Pattaya but a lot about the poster!"

Really?

What does it say about the poster?

It sounds like the ramblings of an anally suppressed bigot....does that fit with you?It also suggests that the poster really knows very little about the sex workers of Pattaya.expressions like"Crack whore""Thieving"and"Feral"

are the giveaways.

Why do people try to comment on stuff about which they appear to know zilch?

An "anally suppressed bigot"? When I get to a thesaurus, you're in trouble.

I dont think my descriptions are too far from the mark given a glance at the Pattaya news section.

Hey, if you enjoy the beach road after dark and quality of those that inhabit it, and what it does for Pattaya, then good for you.

Enjoy it. Embrace it. But don't expect everyone to have the same preferences as you. cs.

[sbk]

lets drop the flaming guys. Keep it civil, cheers

[DLock]

You are probably right. For a moment there I forgot why people go to Pattaya and why you probably live there.

Why have a pleasant and safe beach road when you can have 2 miles of crack whores, thieving ladyboys and feral street gays.

I guess Pattaya is what it is and those that live there enjoy it for just that.

Carry on.

You catch on fast. Why are you here?

I find it incredible that anyone would holiday or live in Pattaya and complain about street workers.

It would be like a tourist walking down King's Cross in Sydney then complaining about the brothels....or the red-light district of Amsterdam etc etc. I'm sure people from most countries can name at least one such district back at home.

Moving the ladies form Beach Road merely forces them to relocate somewhere else. Next thing we'll have a thread from someone complaining there's too many freelancers in Walking Street.

I guess you can rationalize anything if you really want to.

[Deeral]

" miles of crack whores, thieving ladyboys and feral street gays." - I think this says very little about Pattaya but a lot about the poster!"

Really?

What does it say about the poster?

It sounds like the ramblings of an anally suppressed bigot....does that fit with you?It also suggests that the poster really knows very little about the sex workers of Pattaya.expressions like"Crack whore""Thieving"and"Feral"

are the giveaways.

Why do people try to comment on stuff about which they appear to know zilch?

An "anally suppressed bigot"? When I get to a thesaurus, you're in trouble.

I dont think my descriptions are too far from the mark given a glance at the Pattaya news section.

Hey, if you enjoy the beach road after dark and quality of those that inhabit it, and what it does for Pattaya, then good for you.

Enjoy it. Embrace it. But don't expect everyone to have the same preferences as you. cs.

"given a glance at the Pattaya news section." - well they you have it! A "Sun" reader.My criticism of the above poster is that it is pretty evident that he/she has no idea of what Pattaya is actually like but persists in posting views based on inaccurate information and assumptions.

I'd love to see where the information about "crack" came from

[DLock]

"given a glance at the Pattaya news section." - well they you have it! A "Sun" reader.My criticism of the above poster is that it is pretty evident that he/she has no idea of what Pattaya is actually like but persists in posting views based on inaccurate information and assumptions.

I'd love to see where the information about "crack" came from"

That's it? That's all you got? "A Sun reader"?

Which bit was inaccurate by the way?

You know what "crack" is right? It's more than that delightful site you get wen your plumber fixes your kitchen sink.

Come on son, give me something that's worth my time to respond.

[britmaveric]

^crack whores don't exist in Pattaya, however if you had said that some are Yabba ladies of the evening then you might have been credited with a more accurate assessment.

I've been down beach rd too many times to remember and all you get is hellos, smiles and nothing more. The ladies for the most part are dressed better than what you would find walking around the bars. So I'm not sure what the problem is or how this could bother someone? You would think by all of the commotion on this thread birds were openly shagging as you are walking down the street which clearly they are not.

[DLock]

Google is your friend.

Type "Beach road pattaya drug"

It's not a refined search, but it serves it's purpose.

Enjoy your stroll. dmf.

[Deeral]

I sometimes wonder if there should be some kind of test before you are allowed to use Google.A sort or literacy-cum-critical thinking test.People really need to prove they can sort out what they find.

Edited October 16, 2010 by Deeral

[pepi2005]

DLock, I guess you can rationalize anything if you really want to.

[Jingthing]

Someone mentioned "feral gays" on Pattaya Beach Road. I don't think the male prostitutes are any more "feral" than the female ones, so any clearing or not clearing should of course be sex neutral.

Regarding aggressive male prostitutes in Jomtien Complex. It is true, some can be that way, and that may indeed be an unpleasant thing for some people. However, the Complex is not a major geographical feature of the region, nor is Soi 6 Pattaya, it is just a cluster of businesses. For cases like that if there is a perceived problem, I wouldn't like to see the law involved. Rather the business owners in the complex should probably join together in a business association and discuss issues like this, with a view towards making the place more of a success for the various kinds of businesses there. If they are too lazy to do that, well, that's their fault.

Edited October 16, 2010 by Jingthing

[britmaveric]

^perhaps feral is not the correct terminology - have seen aggressive ladyboys in the wee morning hrs, but normally I avoid the beach side so not that big of an issue.

[Jingthing]

^perhaps feral is not the correct terminology - have seen aggressive ladyboys in the wee morning hrs, but normally I avoid the beach side so not that big of an issue.

I believe the feral poster had correctly separated the three general groups of whores, females, ladyboys, and gays. He meant male appearing male prostitutes. BTW, the number of male prostitutes working that road (again, separate for LBs) is very small based on my observations.

Edited October 16, 2010 by Jingthing

[britmaveric]

^indeed normally it's just ladies, ladyboys and drug pushers.

[Jingthing]

^indeed normally it's just ladies, ladyboys and drug pushers.

I agree, but with a sharp eye you can see some small pickings of male prostitutes approximately adjacent to the Boyztown area. I hardly think they are a big part of the scene and/or problem for those who see the situation as a problem.

[tropo]

You are probably right. For a moment there I forgot why people go to Pattaya and why you probably live there.

Why have a pleasant and safe beach road when you can have 2 miles of crack whores, thieving ladyboys and feral street gays.

I guess Pattaya is what it is and those that live there enjoy it for just that.

Carry on.

You catch on fast. Why are you here?

I find it incredible that anyone would holiday or live in Pattaya and complain about street workers.

It would be like a tourist walking down King's Cross in Sydney then complaining about the brothels....or the red-light district of Amsterdam etc etc. I'm sure people from most countries can name at least one such district back at home.

Moving the ladies form Beach Road merely forces them to relocate somewhere else. Next thing we'll have a thread from someone complaining there's too many freelancers in Walking Street.

I guess you can rationalize anything if you really want to.

Help me out then, because I cannot rationalize why you and others would choose to live in Pattaya if this sort of activity bothers you.

[craigt3365]

^crack whores don't exist in Pattaya, however if you had said that some are Yabba ladies of the evening then you might have been credited with a more accurate assessment.

I've been down beach rd too many times to remember and all you get is hellos, smiles and nothing more. The ladies for the most part are dressed better than what you would find walking around the bars. So I'm not sure what the problem is or how this could bother someone? You would think by all of the commotion on this thread birds were openly shagging as you are walking down the street which clearly they are not.

I agree with you there. I think the big problems occur late at night, and with the ladyboys. The girls do just what you say...if you are alone, sometimes they will touch your hand...but that is about it. The ladyboys...well...look out. They can be a bit more aggressive.

Tropo: Good question for sure. But I think most posters saying things like that don't live here, just lurk on this forum. As you well know, many of us live here but rarely make it to Beach Road...much less Walking Street (except for Central Festival!). For most in my village, which is 80% foreigners, we only go when friends are in for a visit. Kinda like when I lived in Vegas. Only went to the Strip when friends were in for a visit. There are better casinos in town that focus on locals than what's on the strip.

[Deeral]

What town centres anywhere in the world can you walk around in at 2 am without having to avoid certain people or areas?

If think it is wrong to actually single out Ladyboys.

A large part of criminal activities in urban environments all over the world tend to be carried out by any group in that area that finds itself at the bottom of the social ladder.The practice of snatch and grab techniques is used world wide just as in South America or Philippines. people should be aware of this. Ladyboys can take off their wigs and make up after a crime which they believe makes them difficult to identify. But it is not the TYPE it is the area and environment that leaves the victim open to attack and this is not particular to Pattaya any more than any other town.

Ladyboys in Thailand can be seen working in shops,banks etc in fact they are able to get employment in Thailand in places where in the West they would be rejects out of hand.

There is a FEAR of Ladyboys amongst Westerners in Thailand and this leads to unreasonable stereotyping of this sub-group as a whole.

Over course some posters like to stereotype EVERYONE - i.e. "crack-whores etc etc"

[DLock]

What town centres anywhere in the world can you walk around in at 2 am without having to avoid certain people or areas?

If think it is wrong to actually single out Ladyboys.

A large part of criminal activities in urban environments all over the world tend to be carried out by any group in that area that finds itself at the bottom of the social ladder.The practice of snatch and grab techniques is used world wide just as in South America or Philippines. people should be aware of this. Ladyboys can take off their wigs and make up after a crime which they believe makes them difficult to identify. But it is not the TYPE it is the area and environment that leaves the victim open to attack and this is not particular to Pattaya any more than any other town.

Ladyboys in Thailand can be seen working in shops,banks etc in fact they are able to get employment in Thailand in places where in the West they would be rejects out of hand.

There is a FEAR of Ladyboys amongst Westerners in Thailand and this leads to unreasonable stereotyping of this sub-group as a whole.

Over course some posters like to stereotype EVERYONE - i.e. "crack-whores etc etc"

Seriously son, I think you might be lost in your own little argument. Keep up. We aren't talking any city center at 2am. Try beach road at 8pm. Your defense of ladyboys is just creepy.

My initial point was that the beach road would benefit from a clean up of the dross that clog them up and make them unsafe. I also felt that Pattaya would be a better place for tourists as a result. Locals seem to like it the way it is for personal reasons.

Your point was...was...what was it again?

[Deeral]

we learn a little more about you every time you post.

Homophobic?Paranoid?and apparently unable to tell the time?

What do you do when you are served by a Ladyboy in a shop? Run away?

I'd love to see things from your perspective, but I doubt if there's room for me to get my head up your arse too

Edited October 17, 2010 by Deeral

[DLock]

we learn a little more about you every time you post.

Homophobic?Paranoid?and apparently unable to tell the time?

What do you do when you are served by a Ladyboy in a shop? Run away?

I'd love to see things from your perspective, but I doubt if there's room for me to get my head up your arse too

How do you get homophobic, paranoid or unable to tell time out of my email?

I said that your defense of ladyboys and describing how they take of their wigs and makeup as just creepy image. Thats not homophobic.

I'm still not sure what you are trying to argue. The only think I get from this mail is that you seem to like ladyboys and you'd love your head up my ass.

Seriously guy, you are being outplayed and you are starting to make no sense. Step back from the keyboard.

[cup-O-coffee]

A lot of concern over where the Beach Road hookers and ladyboys would go if they forced them to leave...

Who give a FF?

If it was soi dogs causing as many problems, they'd round them up, take them away and smash them in the head with a hammer.

Not that I'm saying that should happen to the whores and ladyboys, but Pattaya, rescue a small piece of your dignity...make the beaches safe and give them back to the people.

Soi dogs do, in fact, cause a lot of problems that would be construed as a danger to society in countries where health issues are dealt with from a scientific view. Not so here, where logic is clouded by Animism, and the belief that these walking petri dishes have souls or spirits. Would you kill a relative who had come back as a dog? That is how they view this, so good luck with the hammer dreams.

I do not understand what problems you are describing, because you do not state them. Is that intentional, or do you have nothing to say that rationalizes the presence of these people as a threat? Good people, such as yourself, should be home and in bed by 11pm. What other reasons are there for being out so late? People who like to live life a bit risky go out at night and give it a go. If you are doing what you should be doing, then the twain should never meet. But in the daytime, what problems are you describing?

Your use of the word "whore" is an old English term for a prostitute or a promiscuous woman. On either account, what matter is it to you, whether the women in your range of sight are promiscuous or looking for a business transaction? My god, how you must fester in your imagination when you see a man and a woman having a conversation and smiling at each other. Isn't that true? How else would you know, and why would you care? Being such a good and reasonable person that you imply, I submit, what could you possibly want to do at Beach Road, at a reasonable hour of the day, that would make you feel threatened by these people?

I think that Thailand already has the dignity it feels it needs. I think that Thailand lets the people be and does not concern itself over what you think it should do. Although I often do not agree with this, I feel I have to side with the Thais on this one and personally state that you are altogether mad to impose your self-appointed righteousness on a people and location that a good person such as yourself has no business being at. The beaches will be safe when the water, and overactive imaginations such as yours, are no longer septic. I really can not fathom how people like you ever get a good nights rest as you toss and turn; imagining the vile acts that people are commuting as if they were intentionally doing it with you in mind. It isn't personal, so don't flatter yourself, and the sooner you let it go and work on yourself the better off you'll be.

If giving the beaches back to the people includes people with pious values such as yours, then it is my strong opinion that we are all in for a rude awakening.

You are probably right. For a moment there I forgot why people go to Pattaya and why you probably live there.

Why have a pleasant and safe beach road when you can have 2 miles of crack whores, thieving ladyboys and feral street gays.

I guess Pattaya is what it is and those that live there enjoy it for just that.

Carry on.

I feel this response is relative to the OP, because it addresses individuals whom, I believe, contribute to an unpleasant and unsafe environment along Beach Road. Their attitudes and behaviors compel tourist police and forum admins worldwide to work overtime, in an effort to calm down the sensible, everyday people from reacting in an effort to "remove the problem" that upsets the accepted status quo. These people simply do not get it, and do not recognize the signs that their environment is becoming hostile due to hypocritical, ignorant, and bait & hook remarks. This is simply an observation, and not a threat or warning. I may be wrong, but personal experience, and growing up fast, has taught me to hold fast to this view.

Dlock, you had my respect and you were way ahead in opinionating with the comment, "I guess Pattaya is what it is and those that live there enjoy it for just that."

You should have left it at that. That, I can understand. I can respect that you have your views and that you accept the status quo. I can give that to you, and I think that that is your point, however upset it makes you. Left at that, you make a fairly good point. But...

Then you do not leave well enough alone, and the only thing that comes to mind, is that I am embarrassed for you, then pity you, then could not care less what happens to you. You really should not come to a place like Pattaya, or type on a keyboard from afar, by spilling what is in your head and heart, when it describes a very unhappy and angry person. In Pattaya, you will experience first hand the unpleasant and unsafe environment you describe; due to yourself. From afar, you will be labeled as a troll. Here are the only highlights I could find in your posts that point in any clear direction of what it is you are on about:

"2 miles of crack whores, thieving ladyboys and feral street gays"

I agree that there is a certain degree of truth here, but I feel your choice of words is a bit heavy handed and draws more attention to your trollish, septic attitude, than to any objective discussion regarding the legitimacy of your comment. What tangible reason is it, specifically, that causes your physical senses to trigger such a hasty remark; or is it a mental thing with you?

"I dont think my descriptions are too far from the mark given a glance at the Pattaya news section."

For a person, who seems to want to come across as clever and intelligent, I seriously question your source of information as being a qualifying factor in condemning everyday people that ,heretofore, frequent the 2 miles of unpleasant and unsafe tarmac, which you describe. I am interested in knowing the detail of what makes you ready to take on several posters, and resort to rude and adolescent defense tactics, instead of objective inference.

"I guess you can rationalize anything if you really want to."

Is this another way of describing people who live here as individuals who are in denial of your views? If that is the case, perhaps you might consider changing your tactics so that I can be more persuaded or convinced to have any desire to remotely consider your views as plausible. At present you make me want to avoid being anything like you.

"Come on son, give me something that's worth my time to respond."

Why are you baiting people, in a seeming effort to upset them and get them to say something to further fuel your trollish agenda? That really cheapens your views and compounds your adolescant attitude. Why can't you be original and express your own views, along with some more supportive items and detail? Using GOOGLE and reading the news doesn't really cut it. Experiencing it does. But if you have, or are, experiencing it, you have yet to disclose what it is that makes you describe such an ugly situation? DLock, what is it that makes you say such irrational things?

"Type "Beach road pattaya drug"

Yes; I did. Most of the coverage is what the police are doing, and I saw words like "Fake drugs", "suspected", "crackdown" (go figure), etc. But the thing is, DLock, I exercised a bit more objectivity, and typed in the names of other cities around the globe, and guess what? Again, this cheapens your views and your trollish intentions begin to emerge from the confusing fog of your thought processes.

"We aren't talking any city center at 2am. Try beach road at 8pm."

I still do not understand what your clear and concise point is. This is a vague and ambiguous statement that further describes your unwillingness to be transparent, and simply tell us exactly what it is that makes you think such terrible things about everyday people (up until 8pm). Wouldn't it be fair to say that most of the people reading your tripe have already "tried it", and do not seem to stand in your corner? I am interested what goes on at 8pm in Shangra La, the place where you call home; bingo? cribbage? Hymnal singing?

"The only think I get from this mail is that you seem to like ladyboys and you'd love your head up my ass."

Well; your trollish intentions become clear. Really, DLock, you had a good thing going with "I guess Pattaya is what it is and those that live there enjoy it for just that." but you simply couldn't leave well enough alone.

You made accusations. You did not support those accusations. You attacked me and other members with adolescent, "avoidance" defense tactics (a.k.a. baiting). The only original response about the OP was a derogatory remark that made everyday people into scum, and anyone who lives here scum as well. You are using a broad brush to describe myself, my wife, and soon to be born son. I truly hope in the near future that you make a slip up, and utter a derogatory remark towards someone's wife, who happens to be sitting at Beach Road, enjoying the everyday people and the ambiance of the day. My only regret is that I would not be there to see your opinion that Beach Road is unpleasant and unsafe get realized all over your face by an angry husband; but mark my words, son, only as a result of your attitude, and not because the people were out to get you in the first place.

Rather than the people who live here and / or frequent the places you should stay away from (for your own protection from yourself), DLock, I believe that the genesis of the problems on Beach Road revolve more around septic and ill-intentioned attitudes like yours. I believe the everyday people that you tread upon and their version of "normal" does not seem to interfere with decent people who aren't anal, and instead give a polite nod and a polite smile, and "Khap Khun Khap, Mai Ow, Khap", when solicited. That means, my son, that if you find yourself in Boyz Town, Soi 6, Beach Road, or wherever else, you only have yourself to blame if you do not disengage your mouth and instead act polite and engage your feet.

People like you need protection from yourselves, and that is what creates a compound problem in the midst of normalcy in this entire world we live in.

Edited October 17, 2010 by cup-O-coffee

[DLock]

I didn't read all your post, because it's boring.

My initial and only point is that Beach Road could do with a major cleanup and turn it into a positive rather than a negative for Pattaya.

If you truly like the way beach road is and would happy taking visiting Guests or your wife and young kids along the beach road after 8pm, then sir, clearly we have different standards.

Just because Pattaya is what it is, it doesn't mean that every square inch of Pattaya needs to be infected with street workers and ladyboys. Whilst the beach road isn't that much during the day, at night, lit up, it's actually quite nice. Remove the dross and keep it safe and it could be a boost for Pattaya.

My job takes me to Pattaya frequently. I am more a tourist and objective than you. I see it for what it really is. You see it for what you want it to be.

You also make way too many assumptions.

Less words next time please and I'll respond.

[pepi2005]

DLock, you are living at the wrong place.

Move back to America or wherever you're coming from, you will find much 'cleaner' moral standards there - enjoy them. If you need to show someone a beach, you can still move to Vietnam, Bali or wherever you like, much fewer prostitutes there (but be warned, you might still spot some if you look carefully enough!).

No idea why you came here at the first place. Bad travel agent? Delusional?

BTW, I found cup-o-coffee's posting utmost polite and interesting to read as well. It would be great if more posters would take a bit more time for their posts and explain their points of view rather than just drop a few words as a response.

[DLock]

DLock, you are living at the wrong place.

Move back to America or wherever you're coming from, you will find much 'cleaner' moral standards there - enjoy them. If you need to show someone a beach, you can still move to Vietnam, Bali or wherever you like, much fewer prostitutes there (but be warned, you might still spot some if you look carefully enough!).

No idea why you came here at the first place. Bad travel agent? Delusional?

BTW, I found cup-o-coffee's posting utmost polite and interesting to read as well. It would be great if more posters would take a bit more time for their posts and explain their points of view rather than just drop a few words as a response.

I get it. Many of you enjoy the beach road inhabitants and see no reason to change it. Pity the fools that have some vision.

Just because I express an opinion that Pattaya could benefit from the cleanup and improvement of beach road...how does that mean I live in the wrong place again?

Must I succumb to the lower class prostitutes and thieving ladyboys to qualify to be in Thailand. Pepi..say it ain't so?

You need to get out of Pattaya Pepi, and realize that Thailand is not all whores and ladyboys.

Next.

[pepi2005]

You don't get it.

It's the ladies and the intense nightlife why I came here at the first place!

And unlike you, I don't focus on

lower class prostitutes and thieving ladyboys

all the time (I have to admit that I don't even know what 'lower class prostitutes' are, but then, I'm neither aristocratic nor a shepherd of morality.

[cardholder]

DLock, you are living at the wrong place.

Move back to America or wherever you're coming from, you will find much 'cleaner' moral standards there - enjoy them. If you need to show someone a beach, you can still move to Vietnam, Bali or wherever you like, much fewer prostitutes there (but be warned, you might still spot some if you look carefully enough!).

No idea why you came here at the first place. Bad travel agent? Delusional?

BTW, I found cup-o-coffee's posting utmost polite and interesting to read as well. It would be great if more posters would take a bit more time for their posts and explain their points of view rather than just drop a few words as a response.

I get it. Many of you enjoy the beach road inhabitants and see no reason to change it. Pity the fools that have some vision.

Just because I express an opinion that Pattaya could benefit from the cleanup and improvement of beach road...how does that mean I live in the wrong place again?

Must I succumb to the lower class prostitutes and thieving ladyboys to qualify to be in Thailand. Pepi..say it ain't so?

You need to get out of Pattaya Pepi, and realize that Thailand is not all whores and ladyboys.

Next.

Actually, I am pretty certain that Thailand is FULL of whores and Ladyboys.

[tropo]

I didn't read all your post, because it's boring.

My initial and only point is that Beach Road could do with a major cleanup and turn it into a positive rather than a negative for Pattaya.

If you truly like the way beach road is and would happy taking visiting Guests or your wife and young kids along the beach road after 8pm, then sir, clearly we have different standards.

Just because Pattaya is what it is, it doesn't mean that every square inch of Pattaya needs to be infected with street workers and ladyboys. Whilst the beach road isn't that much during the day, at night, lit up, it's actually quite nice. Remove the dross and keep it safe and it could be a boost for Pattaya.

My job takes me to Pattaya frequently. I am more a tourist and objective than you. I see it for what it really is. You see it for what you want it to be.

You also make way too many assumptions.

Less words next time please and I'll respond.

Have you ever been to Pattaya? Every square inch of the Pattaya where I live is not "infected with street workers and ladyboys". Relative to the total area the area "infected with street workers and ladyboys" is very small.

If you'd like some help, I'll help you find plenty of beaches where you and your children will not be accosted by freelancers...where you'll only have to deal with aggressive touts, vendors and pollution.

[cup-O-coffee]

Boring? LOL. I get that a lot. No harm, no foul.

DLock, some people like pizza, and some like hamburgers. Going into a burger joint, and making an issue that they do not have pizza on the menu, is about as ludicrous as it gets. Compounding that observation, I do not foresee any change in the near or distant future. So, get used to it, or consider finding a beach that is not in the proximity of this element, and the factors that contribute to it. Your protests are noted, but I think they were originally over the line; adolescent and purely rude, considering the alternative options that you turned a blind eye to.Yes, Thailand is a big country. Thank you for that information; yet I am certain that people, who read TV, know where to go when they wish to find solitude; even a quiet beach. Do you?

I think it is unrealistic if just anyone could pick their favorite spot, impose their views, and make it into any kind of environment that they want. The US military tries it, and see what kind of mess they create? I have tried it, and have learnt my lessons. That is the headstrong message you were originally implying, and with that perspective, that is how I read it. Given the quality of sand and surf at Beach Road, you certainly could pick a more spectacular Beach to sponsor for you "Human Dross" cleanup efforts, couldn't you? Maybe getting a different travel agent, or re-prioritizing what you originally specified to them would do the trick? Maybe your travel agent misconstrued when you told them "I want to go to a place where I can put my head in the grass" and instead they heard "...head in my ass", and booked the appropriate ticket? Merely jesting back at you.

However, I see you toned down your view a bit, and eased up on the derogatory language towards innocent and unsuspecting, everyday people, who happen to frequent Beach Road. Good for you. I appreciate even better the way you put things in your most recent post. A lot more convincing and persuading, and now I am more apt to agree with, but only if you point out the particulars, which you still mysteriously refuse to do. I am expectant and interested in what those particulars are, if you would be so kind to expend some energy on that, instead of leeching off of other poster's personal opinions. Without clarification, this is inconsistent, makes you insincere, and carries a trollish element with it.Trollish, due to attacking other members posts, without providing any original thought of your own, and original reasons to support those thoughts.

[Deeral]

B.O.Lock - wasn't your initial point the one that included such expressions "crack whores" "feral" etc? - I hardly think that is the dispassionate view point you are now trying to claim?

[DLock]

Boring? LOL. I get that a lot. No harm, no foul.

DLock, some people like pizza, and some like hamburgers. Going into a burger joint, and making an issue that they do not have pizza on the menu, is about as ludicrous as it gets. Compounding that observation, I do not foresee any change in the near or distant future. So, get used to it, or consider finding a beach that is not in the proximity of this element, and the factors that contribute to it. Your protests are noted, but I think they were originally over the line; adolescent and purely rude, considering the alternative options that you turned a blind eye to.Yes, Thailand is a big country. Thank you for that information; yet I am certain that people, who read TV, know where to go when they wish to find solitude; even a quiet beach. Do you?

I think it is unrealistic if just anyone could pick their favorite spot, impose their views, and make it into any kind of environment that they want. The US military tries it, and see what kind of mess they create? I have tried it, and have learnt my lessons. That is the headstrong message you were originally implying, and with that perspective, that is how I read it. Given the quality of sand and surf at Beach Road, you certainly could pick a more spectacular Beach to sponsor for you "Human Dross" cleanup efforts, couldn't you? Maybe getting a different travel agent, or re-prioritizing what you originally specified to them would do the trick? Maybe your travel agent misconstrued when you told them "I want to go to a place where I can put my head in the grass" and instead they heard "...head in my ass", and booked the appropriate ticket? Merely jesting back at you.

However, I see you toned down your view a bit, and eased up on the derogatory language towards innocent and unsuspecting, everyday people, who happen to frequent Beach Road. Good for you. I appreciate even better the way you put things in your most recent post. A lot more convincing and persuading, and now I am more apt to agree with, but only if you point out the particulars, which you still mysteriously refuse to do. I am expectant and interested in what those particulars are, if you would be so kind to expend some energy on that, instead of leeching off of other poster's personal opinions. Without clarification, this is inconsistent, makes you insincere, and carries a trollish element with it.Trollish, due to attacking other members posts, without providing any original thought of your own, and original reasons to support those thoughts.

I appreciate the attempt at shortening your post, but easy on the irrelevant food metaphors.

I am honestly surprised by the passionate defense of the beach road mess. What I find deplorable and embarrassing, many posters seem to associate it with the fabric of Pattaya and why they choose to live there. I had made the assumption that some people came to Pattaya for reasons other than being a sex tourist. Sadly, I think I am wrong.

There are many places in Pattaya to find hookers and ladyboys of varying qualities. My questions is why clog up the beach road with dross, unless you have an interest in the lower end of the scale - and regardless what people say, I would not rate the quality of beach road street workers as particularly high.

This has been an enlightening exchange. Never again will I give any credit to those in Pattaya who try and defend their city as being any more than it really is, and what they really want it to be.

It is what it is...and sadly, that's all it will ever be.