CRES To Beef Up Security Ahead Of Bangkok Red-Shirt Rallies

[webfact]

CRES to beef up security ahead of planned red-shirt rallies

Three companies of metropolitan policemen and 500 traffic police and special investigators will be deployed to keep security when the red-shirt people hold rallies to mark three major evens, the Centre for Resolution of Emergency Situation announced Friday.

Col Songpol Watthanachai, assistant CRES spokesman, said nine other companies of policemen would be on standby in case untoward incidents happen.

Songpol said first event is the planned rally on Saturday to mark six months after the death of Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdiphol, a red-shirt leader.

Then on Sunday, there will be as royally-sponsored cremation for former prime minister Samak Sundaravej.

The red-shirt is expected to hold a rally on November 19 to mark six months after the crackdown at the Rajprasong.

Songpol said no violence is expected for now as the red-shirt leaders are expected to hold only symbolic demonstrations.

-- The Nation 2010-11-12

[webfact]

CRES to Step up Security for Red-shirt Gatherings

The Center for the Resolution of Emergency Situations (CRES) says it will step up security for the gathering of the red-shirt group on November 13 and 19. The CRES called on the protesters to abide by the law and not to prolong their rally.

The group also called on the 2 recently released red-shirt leaders not to provoke the situation.

-- Tan Network 2010-11-12

[webfact]

CRES to closely monitor political activities Nov 13,14 and 19; urges would-be demonstrators to comply with law, stage brief rally /MCOT

[rubl]

With k. Samak's past activities in 1976 I would expect a (silent) protest from activists, real democracy lovers rather than people commemorating him and his 'good' deeds. New shirts with 'people died in 1976' seems appropriate.

Edited November 12, 2010 by rubl

[sstuff3]

Any idea "where" the planned rallies are to be held???

[Mitker]

With k. Samak's past activities in 1976 I would expect a (silent) protest from activists, real democracy lovers rather than people commemorating him and his 'good' deeds. New shirts with 'people died in 1976' seems appropriate.

You're totally right.

As for the two other "demonstrations", they are just as dubious.

Samak, See Deang... a group like this has the heroes it deserves...

[TheyCallmeScooter]

How many major commemorative events are on the Red Shirt calendar? It seems they 'mass' (snicker) to commemorate some tragedy or event every other week...

Is it just me or is the obvious self-perpetuating nature of the rallies in creating 'new' events to 'commemorate' pretty much evident to everyone, including the Red Shirt leadership?

[BKKjohan]

Anyone know where the rallies will be held?

[sgiandubh]

I thought that groups of more than 5 people were banned in bangkok or is this another example of the law in thailand being flaunted and disregarded because the so called "authorities" do not have the backbone to enforce their own laws.

[webfact]

PRO-THAKSIN PROTEST

Police, troops at ready as red shirts rally

By The Nation

A large police contingent has been readied to provide security at redshirt rallies and activities planned for the weekend, with soldiers put on standby for emergency mobilisation.

Five hundred riot police will be backed up by 900 regular police officers, with troops called in if situations get out of hand, a police spokesman for the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) said yesterday.

The red shirts have announced rallies today and tomorrow to mark the day Army specialist Khattiya Sawasdiphol was fatally shot in the head six months ago during their protests at Bangkok’s Ratchaprasong intersection. Tomorrow, they also plan to honour late prime minister Samak Sundaravej, whose body is scheduled for cremation. Samak was an ally of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Another major rally is expected next Friday to mark six months since troops moved in to disperse the crowds of red shirts at Ratchaprasong intersection.

News media have dubbed the three days of redshirt activities “three days of danger”.

Two redshirt protest leaders were released this week after a Justice Ministry fund secured their bail. Sommai Inthanakha and Bunrit Sodakham later said they had been beaten to force them to confess to participating in crimes during the demonstrations. A CRES assistant spokesman, Pol Colonel Songphol Watthanachai, said it was their right to make claims about being beaten or to sue CRES officials.

Both men met with Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, a chat described by the redallied Pheu Thai Party as a publicity stunt. A party spokesman said 148 red shirts remained in detention and the bailout of the two men was a failed attempt to win over red shirts across the country.

The Justice Ministry, meanwhile, is seeking jobs for red shirts who were unemployed before they took part in the protests and were arrested. Their requests for better conditions during detention, medical services, and minor assistance for their families have been met.

Bail for more red shirts is being processed but those arrested for violent crimes and arson will not benefit from the government’s leniency, said a senior ministry official.

-- The Nation 2010-11-13

[Buchholz]

Anyone know where the rallies will be held?

Lopburi (Tambon Khao Sam Yod of Lopburi’s Muang district) on November 27th.

Bangkok (unspecified locations as of yet) on November 13th, 14th, and 19th.

The 13th represents six months since Sae Daeng took a bullet to the brain at the Saladaeng intersection, so possibly it is scheduled for that location.

Wat Benjamabhopit might be the site for Samak's funeral on the 14th because that is where the bathing rites portion of his funeral was held on November 25th of last year.

The 19th represents six months since May Mayhem 2010 was quelled in Ratchaprasong intersection on May 19th, so possibly it is scheduled for that location.

[sungod]

How many major commemorative events are on the Red Shirt calendar? It seems they 'mass' (snicker) to commemorate some tragedy or event every other week...

Is it just me or is the obvious self-perpetuating nature of the rallies in creating 'new' events to 'commemorate' pretty much evident to everyone, including the Red Shirt leadership?

Absolutely, Today is 6 months to the day that Seh Daeng was shot, then they can all come out again on the 17th as it took him 4 days to die. (Sniper was a bad shot)

[hammered]

There is a truly amazing irony in anyone who sees themselves as a democracy activist honouring Samak. I guess history is not the strong point of the red movment.

[Buchholz]

How many major commemorative events are on the Red Shirt calendar? It seems they 'mass' (snicker) to commemorate some tragedy or event every other week...

Is it just me or is the obvious self-perpetuating nature of the rallies in creating 'new' events to 'commemorate' pretty much evident to everyone, including the Red Shirt leadership?

Absolutely, Today is 6 months to the day that Seh Daeng was shot, then they can all come out again on the 17th as it took him 4 days to die. (Sniper was a bad shot)

Conversely, some experts would say it was exceptionally well-placed and precisely aimed shot because of that.

[asiawatcher]

There is a truly amazing irony in anyone who sees themselves as a democracy activist honouring Samak. I guess history is not the strong point of the red movment.

... and never will be. Selective memories to justify violence based on idealistic power brokers.

[LindsayBKK]

When you are getting paid I am sure they would like to be out there everyday.

[silp1979]

is it a ghost protest? where is it ? when ? nobody knows ?

[webfact]

Supporters of late Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, to light candles at 5pm at Saladaeng site where he was shot, marking 6-month death anniversary: daughter /MCOT

[cyberink]

RED AND YELLOW SHIRTS NONSENSE

YOU ARE CHASING AWAY THE VERY TOURIST THAT IS SUPPORTING YOUR ECONOMY AND COUNTRY.

HOW STUPID AND INCONSIDERATE !!!!

YOU ARE BEING MISLED AND DECEIVED BY A MINORITY OF IDIOTS.

FARANG FROM SOUTH AFRICA

[frodo]

According to the other online news, some reds showed up in Lumphini Park for a candle ceremony for Sae Daeng (nevermind the innocent civilians bombed and killed at Sala Daeng). At the last account they are totally clueless as to what to do next. Seems no red leader or co-leader bothered to show up.

The best they could do is just go home and give it a rest.

[Robby nz]

It would seem they are going to take any and every opportunity to get what support they have left together and try to keep them interested.

Wonder what pressing business kept the leaders away?

The fact that the reds and UDD are allowed to do their thing regardless of a SOE being in place must somewhat counter those who moan about lack of freedom of speech in this country.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

How many major commemorative events are on the Red Shirt calendar? It seems they 'mass' (snicker) to commemorate some tragedy or event every other week...

Is it just me or is the obvious self-perpetuating nature of the rallies in creating 'new' events to 'commemorate' pretty much evident to everyone, including the Red Shirt leadership?

Absolutely, Today is 6 months to the day that Seh Daeng was shot, then they can all come out again on the 17th as it took him 4 days to die. (Sniper was a bad shot)

Interesting.

Have you seen the Army sniper video of the crack shot on a terrorist about to blow up a fuel truck on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpm_eL-aNQA

Well, if it was that sniper team, I'll eat my red shirt.

That guy was a nutter though. Initially I thought 100% Army sniper took him out, and well done to the fellow.

But the more I think about it, I suspect he was a *little* too crazy for those crazy fellows. I think the Reds took him out, he was arguing with the leaders moments before I believe. Would be a mobile phone call from one of the leader's pockets (all it'd take).

The fact that the reds and UDD are allowed to do their thing regardless of a SOE being in place must somewhat counter those who moan about lack of freedom of speech in this country.

I enjoy reading about the oppressive and stifling censorship and brutal oppression of lese majeste offences.

In articles I read in the Thai print media.

Authored by guys who have been writing the same thing, without sanction, for up to 10 years. They should teach Aung San Suu Kyi how it's done. Pravit? Just a dot point list for the Burmese Thaksin one time?

[whybother]

PRO-THAKSIN PROTEST

Police, troops at ready as red shirts rally

By The Nation

A large police contingent has been readied to provide security at redshirt rallies and activities planned for the weekend, with soldiers put on standby for emergency mobilisation.

Five hundred riot police will be backed up by 900 regular police officers, with troops called in if situations get out of hand, a police spokesman for the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) said yesterday.

The red shirts have announced rallies today and tomorrow to mark the day Army specialist Khattiya Sawasdiphol was fatally shot in the head six months ago during their protests at Bangkok's Ratchaprasong intersection. Tomorrow, they also plan to honour late prime minister Samak Sundaravej, whose body is scheduled for cremation. Samak was an ally of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

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Don’t wear red shirt to Samak’s cremation rite: Jatuporn tells red shirts

Pheu Thai party-list MP and red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan Sunday urged red-shirt people to attend the cremation ceremony of former prime minister Samak Sundaravej Sunday.

Jatuporn told the red-shirts to wear black and attend the solemn rite instead of wearing red in line with their usual practice.

“Please be dressed in black to pay respect to Samak whom we love,” Jatuporn said.

The cremation rite will be held at the Thepsirin Temple at 4 pm.

-- The Nation 2010-11-14

[rubl]

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Don't wear red shirt to Samak's cremation rite: Jatuporn tells red shirts

Pheu Thai party-list MP and red-shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan Sunday urged red-shirt people to attend the cremation ceremony of former prime minister Samak Sundaravej Sunday.

Jatuporn told the red-shirts to wear black and attend the solemn rite instead of wearing red in line with their usual practice.

Please be dressed in black to pay respect to Samak whom we love, Jatuporn said.

The cremation rite will be held at the Thepsirin Temple at 4 pm.

-- The Nation 2010-11-14

Black is the color for cremations, I have a black shirt and black tie just for that. Maybe k. Jatuporn is sincere, maybe he wants to avoid a link between k. Samak and the red-shirt 'warriors for democracy'.

Activists and democracy lovers willing to really shed their last drop of blood for the cause have a slightly different opinion on k. Samak. Read this article about 'Oct 6 people angry with remarks of k. Samak'. It starts with "Former student activists who experienced first-hand the brutal crackdown on pro-democracy demonstrators on Oct 6, 1976, have been outraged by Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej's interview with CNN."

http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=87178

Edited November 14, 2010 by rubl

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Maybe k. Jatuporn is sincere

555

Edited November 14, 2010 by TheyCallmeScooter

[monkfish]

How many major commemorative events are on the Red Shirt calendar? It seems they 'mass' (snicker) to commemorate some tragedy or event every other week...

Is it just me or is the obvious self-perpetuating nature of the rallies in creating 'new' events to 'commemorate' pretty much evident to everyone, including the Red Shirt leadership?

Absolutely, Today is 6 months to the day that Seh Daeng was shot, then they can all come out again on the 17th as it took him 4 days to die. (Sniper was a bad shot)

Interesting.

Have you seen the Army sniper video of the crack shot on a terrorist about to blow up a fuel truck on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpm_eL-aNQA

Well, if it was that sniper team, I'll eat my red shirt.

That guy was a nutter though. Initially I thought 100% Army sniper took him out, and well done to the fellow.

But the more I think about it, I suspect he was a *little* too crazy for those crazy fellows. I think the Reds took him out, he was arguing with the leaders moments before I believe. Would be a mobile phone call from one of the leader's pockets (all it'd take).

The fact that the reds and UDD are allowed to do their thing regardless of a SOE being in place must somewhat counter those who moan about lack of freedom of speech in this country.

I enjoy reading about the oppressive and stifling censorship and brutal oppression of lese majeste offences.

In articles I read in the Thai print media.

Authored by guys who have been writing the same thing, without sanction, for up to 10 years. They should teach Aung San Suu Kyi how it's done. Pravit? Just a dot point list for the Burmese Thaksin one time?

Fuel truck? you will probably find it is full of &lt;deleted&gt;.

If you ever saw the original video before editing the truck was being used to transport tyres then the Military opened fire.

Edited November 14, 2010 by monkfish

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Interesting.

Have you seen the Army sniper video of the crack shot on a terrorist about to blow up a fuel truck on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mpm_eL-aNQA

The fact that the reds and UDD are allowed to do their thing regardless of a SOE being in place must somewhat counter those who moan about lack of freedom of speech in this country.

I enjoy reading about the oppressive and stifling censorship and brutal oppression of lese majeste offences.

In articles I read in the Thai print media.

Authored by guys who have been writing the same thing, without sanction, for up to 10 years. They should teach Aung San Suu Kyi how it's done.

Fuel truck? you will probably find it is full of &lt;deleted&gt;.

If you ever saw the original video before editing the truck was being used to transport tyres then the Military opened fire.

Your response to the evidence is to:

1. Hypothesise that the fuel truck the terrorist attempted to set on fire was actually a tyre truck?

2. Hypothesise that the "tyre truck" the terrorist attempted to set on fire did not have a fuel tank?

3. Hypothesise that the truck without a fuel tank (I didn't realise battery-powered trucks were in production yet?) was being used by the terrorists to commit acts of terrorism (transport tyres for burning in the middle of the CBD) and was no longer required, so was about to be destroyed for fears it would fall into enemy hands? (I hate to be the one to inform you that the Thai government has lots of trucks, and really have no use for one which was being used by terrorists to transport tyres for burning - poor kid almost got killed by Army snipers firing indiscriminate headshots! What sick and twisted commanders would sacrifice their men for such redundancy?)

4. Claim you have seen an original video which proves this video was edited with malicious intent to deceive viewers? (Would you like to see some examples of maliciously edited videos, intended to deceive viewers? If so, please view Prachatai's YouTube channel. Actually, to preclude your inevitable nonsense, I'll just show you an example in popup picture format:)

5. Refuse to present the original video proving that you are Guilty of slander (that's a claim asserted without supporting evidence, regardless of whether it is true or not). nb. please note the lack of a question mark, due to the statement being a simple FACT.

6. Refuse to explain exactly how or why this video was 'doctored', proving you are guilty of something worse than slander (idiotic slander).

7. Refuse to address the entire POINT of the "military fire" being of a kind that was kind, some would say too kind, kind and merciful in ways your snipers were not, when your snipers fired on tragically misled Red Shirt protesters, killing them with shots to their heads. Perhaps for their 'crime' of protesting too...peacefully?

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Another seven questions which shall remain unanswered / ignored / unaddressed. To go with the preceding 3940880 questions which have remained unanswered / ignored / unaddressed. Yes, I'm keeping a running tally. It's not that accurate, but I assure you I'm rounding down.

[monkfish]

Here is a video which should help answer your questions

[media]

[/media

I could retaliate to your insults but its not worth it.

Edit: Turn on CC for commentary

You may need a youtube account to view as its classed over 18+

Edited November 14, 2010 by monkfish

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Just as an aside, I was banned for a week and my entire essay post was deleted because I posted a furious response to a post FAR less offensive than yours, and in fairness to the moderator who deleted it, my tone was very strong, and I concluded my essay with a colourful sentence telling the offender where he could go and I gave him colourful instructions on how he could get there.

I could accept the fact that the language used inappropriate. But I held that the 'offence' caused by using a commonly-used 4-letter word was really rather restrained considering the nature of the lies I was responding to (with logical arguments, all deleted).

I'm fully cognisant of the incredibly tricky and frustrating job moderators are faced with, when they are tasked with refereeing discussion in which both sides hold very strong, polarising emotions. And I accepted that my tone was really rather strong, and I was facetious when I offered an advance apology to the mods for my telling the provocateur where he could go in my final sentence.

But I hold it's inappropriate to be sensitive to the reported offended party at being told where they can go, when they insist on provoking offence with such slanderous insults to decency (as evidenced by Monkfish's post above).

Be that as it may, I will abide by the rules which allow slanderous lies to be posted by Red Shirts and Thaksin-apologists but prevent furious responses to their provocation. Rules are rules, and I will always abide by them if and when I am able to.

So I will not describe the slanderous lies of monkfish as idiotic.

And I will not assert that his slanderous lies are ridiculous.

That way, he cannot possibly be offended.

As to the offence caused by his slander posted in attempts to blatantly lie about recent events, well...I shall try and stiffen my upper lip (as opposed to their quivering lips, sobbing as they cowardly feign offence when they cowardly Report my grossly disproportionate (far less offensive, and quite justified) responses to their illegal / criminal claims clearly intended to provoke.

[TheyCallmeScooter]

Here is a video which should help answer your questions

I could retaliate to your insults but its not worth it.

Oh for heaven's sake.

You claim my polite questions asked, and my factual statements relating to the definition of slander, were insulting?

I do apologise that you are insulted by polite questions which you find too uncomfortable to respond to.

I do apologise that you find the Webster definition of slander to be offensive to your delicate sensibilities.

But I beg you to forgive my polite questions and statements of fact and I beg you to accept the fact that your slander and your lies are a great deal more insulting to myself and many others, especially when you refuse to explain why polite questions insult you, or why dictionary definitions insult you.

And I will be genuine instead of facetious in my apology, when you explain how you could possibly be offended by politeness and dictionary definitions of English words explaining to you that you have committed a crime (no matter the country you hail from, or the country in which you live).

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Edit: As to your video posted, I watched the first minute and saw no such thing. As it is a video over 8 minutes long, and painfully lacking in anything remotely interesting for the first minute, would you be so kind as to tell me the exact (to the nearest min) spot where I can view your evidence?

Surely this is reasonable. I would not expect you to sift through endless irrelevance searching for something I wish you to view. Even though I never lie, surely you would understand that I am loathe to assume that you are - suddenly - telling the truth (when all your posting history suggests you don't much care for that particular thing).

Edited November 14, 2010 by TheyCallmeScooter