Jingthing Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Right and as most "damage" is a scam, the jetskis being paid for days out of use are out there again fast, so one jetski could be paid by several people for non-usage, while it's still being used. Reminds me of bar workers scams with 50 lovers all wiring money in to their special one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gik Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) I wonder what will happen if you ask them to show amount of tax they payed "for a week so u owe 7 days loss at 7 x 12 hrs " just to be sure that they are not lyeing to you ? Edited August 14, 2011 by Gik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharecropper Posted August 14, 2011 Author Share Posted August 14, 2011 Or with un-bent copper assistance - if that's not an oxymoron, agree to pay the repair price, but NOT the days out of the water price until the repair has been fixed and you can definitively see how many days (realistically MINUTES) it has been out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Or with un-bent copper assistance - if that's not an oxymoron, agree to pay the repair price, but NOT the days out of the water price until the repair has been fixed and you can definitively see how many days (realistically MINUTES) it has been out of the water. It wouldn't hurt to observe them during the day to get some idea of what percentage of their jetskis are actually being used on a daily basis. It's hard to believe they're ever at 100%. How many hours per week are they all being used at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrotsnapper86 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I see the same jet shop, in front of the blue dragon beer bar sign, beach road, doing the same rip-off scams, at least 3-4 times a week.. It makes me sick.... Saw young family of 5 from England, get ripped a new a---hole by the whole family, specially the "the old thai man with the beard" yelling and screaming at the family , while the little kids where ready to cry!! another time the old man picked up a metal stake that they use for the umbrellas, and was pointing it at falangs... how does this jet family still get away with this crap, week after week.... i can bet ya the kids from England will allways remember their holiday.... This has to stop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Reports from The Mayor's facebook Today there were Marine Police sitting under a tent opposite central , police in a couple of locations along the beach a marine police boat offshore , security cameras all along the beach and still a jet ski scam went off opposite m'cdonald's at royal garden. It looks very much like Pattaya Police are not interested in assisting City Hall and they are not protecting tourist's on the beach . Registration has not deterred these criminals and until they are clamped down hard and if they are using photo's for evidence, cameras should be examined forensically and start undeleting their sd cards to see if they are acting with ill intention. http://www.facebook.com/PattayaFuture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Another Report http://www.facebook.com/PattayaFuture Mr Mayor you have stirred up a hornets nest buy not implementing new regulations and insurance at the time of registration. Scams along the beach since the registration process have increased dramatically and guess who suffers the innocent tourist. Between the two shopping centres scams are continuing , these vendor know the law can not do anything to them so they are going for it big time. Please do something City hall have responsibility to tourists coming to thailand it is a disgrace and sickening to watch. Why not suspend all jet ski activity until the regulations are place ?. Hasn't Pattaya got enough bad publicity over this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 We all need to email every person we can about these thugs. Thaivisa can you help us? Can we meet and try to help fellow farang. Please...this is so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Another Report http://www.facebook.com/PattayaFuture Mr Mayor you have stirred up a hornets nest buy not implementing new regulations and insurance at the time of registration. Scams along the beach since the registration process have increased dramatically and guess who suffers the innocent tourist. Between the two shopping centres scams are continuing , these vendor know the law can not do anything to them so they are going for it big time. Please do something City hall have responsibility to tourists coming to thailand it is a disgrace and sickening to watch. Why not suspend all jet ski activity until the regulations are place ?. Hasn't Pattaya got enough bad publicity over this ? Seems to me the registration process was just another delaying tactic, much like setting up a committee to look into it, make it look like you are doing something while actually doing nothing constructive. Why the need for registration? A ticket booth, signs saying all jet ski rentals must made through voucher purchase from booth, voucher price to include full insurance. Job done. Registration is just bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) We all need to email every person we can about these thugs. Thaivisa can you help us? Can we meet and try to help fellow farang. Please...this is so bad. I hope there are media following this thread especially channel 3 http://www.thaitv3.com/ch3/guide/contactus.php Edited August 14, 2011 by saintofsilence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awohalitsiktoli Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 We all need to email every person we can about these thugs. Thaivisa can you help us? Can we meet and try to help fellow farang. Please...this is so bad. I hope there are media following this thread especially channel 3 http://www.thaitv3.c...e/contactus.php A story on 60 Minutes will have a much greater impact on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Jet Ski Extortion. Estimates of 300,000 baht a day x 30 days = 9,000,000 baht a month = 108,000,000 baht a year. The estimates could be higher as I personally witnessed 5 scams happening at the same time the other afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Jet Ski Extortion. Estimates of 300,000 baht a day x 30 days = 9,000,000 baht a month = 108,000,000 baht a year. The estimates could be higher as I personally witnessed 5 scams happening at the same time the other afternoon. The last couple of evenings on the beach there has been at least 10 jet ski's on saturday night and 6 last night all in dispute with scammers and tourist not many nights go by when you can walk the beach and not come across a scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatCage Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 If the scams are allowed to continue now after the new regulations come into force then there is something seriously wrong somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striderman Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 If the scams are allowed to continue now after the new regulations come into force then there is something seriously wrong somewhere Well they have only registered the skis so far. I am pretty sure it will make little difference on the beach with the bandits finding ways round any new rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The Governor said 90% had been registered previously. Looks to me like a scramble to re-register into different names now the heat is on. Somethings wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) Ban all jetskis before this goes viral and ALL tourists go elsewhere. Imagine this travel advisory............... PATTAYA IS FULL OF DRUNK MOTORCYCLE TAXI DRIVERS...CROOKED COPS...VIOLENT BUS DRIVERS...SCAMMER JETSKI OPERATORS...TRIPPLE PRICED TAXIS...HOT BEER AND COLD WOMEN! Make your next Family holiday here in Paradise so you too can get totally Screwed by the Smiling Locals! Remember NO Refunds and NO Complaining...It makes the Smiling Locals Frown in big groups with Weapons. Enjoy the shiiiit in the water its Freeeeeeeeeee! Edited August 15, 2011 by IAMSOBAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Now that they are all registered the taxation office should check all owners and drivers to confirm they have been paying tax if they have been defrauding the government they should not be issued with a licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/pattaya-officials-finally-move-against-jet-ski-vendors-5384 Sunday, 14 August 2011 05:28 posted by oswald just to rent these machines to tourist is criminal: all the beach line of Pattaya is crowded with people (even young children) swimming in the water. There should be no boats allowed allong the whole beach. Even 200 meters from the beach there must be a speed limit for boats (I would say, the whole Pattaya bay) A jet-ski is a very powerful machine. Not build for normal use as a boat. It´s crazy to let them go in normal areas. Their use must be limited to special areas, where it is superficed, that no other vehicle or person is in the same area. You can see these bastards in the see every day at about 6:30 p.m. and later, when it is allmost dark. Going with full speed and with no light. Just to see this every day is unbelievable In the past, people got killed by these criminals and many more got injured . I for myselve do not go in the water any more. To see the "authorities" let these criminals do what they do says enough about the police and the local "authorities" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) Meeting Aug 2010 Water traffic, not road traffic, was the subject of the Ferry Cooperation Committee meeting at City Hall on Monday afternoon. The Chairman, Mr. Saksit Potisit, presided over the meeting, which was held to discuss boat traffic and other water transportation issues, as well as review guidelines for boarding ferries correctly and safely. The main issue that arose, however, was jet-skis and their unscrupulous owners, and the various ploys they use to overcharge tourists. The committee expressed concern that Pattaya’s image was being ruined by these scammers, and discussed ways to regulate the jet-ski business. Until then, tourists should deal with the jet-ski jerks carefully! Edited August 15, 2011 by saintofsilence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) Love how they are only concerned about "image" and don't mention the threats of violence and murder against the customers or the grand thefts themselves. If only they could suppress the media? Edited August 15, 2011 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 It's all about image. If this story gets out there will be less tourists to rip off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taff33 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Another Report http://www.facebook.com/PattayaFuture Mr Mayor you have stirred up a hornets nest buy not implementing new regulations and insurance at the time of registration. Scams along the beach since the registration process have increased dramatically and guess who suffers the innocent tourist. Between the two shopping centres scams are continuing , these vendor know the law can not do anything to them so they are going for it big time. Please do something City hall have responsibility to tourists coming to thailand it is a disgrace and sickening to watch. Why not suspend all jet ski activity until the regulations are place ?. Hasn't Pattaya got enough bad publicity over this ? Seems to me the registration process was just another delaying tactic, much like setting up a committee to look into it, make it look like you are doing something while actually doing nothing constructive. Why the need for registration? A ticket booth, signs saying all jet ski rentals must made through voucher purchase from booth, voucher price to include full insurance. Job done. Registration is just bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy! The voucher is then exchanged at the 'town hall' and the goverment tax is deducted and every one is happy .No registration no money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokay Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Just two little quotes from the attached Pattaya Mail article: "One new suggestion, however, was to create a centralized rental desk where tourists would purchase coupons covering rental of any jet ski as well as insurance cover for any damage they might cause." "Chawalit added he believes public officials have only uncovered the tip of the iceberg and that many deeper problems have yet to be addressed. He advocated a team of negotiators be created to mediate vendor-customer disputes." The first quote fills one with hope that something might actually be going to happen. The second quote right at the end of the article is more worrying "a team of negotiators to mediate disputes" ?? Why should a team of negotiators be necessary if a rental desk is set up and all jet-skis are insured so customers are protected. What's to negotiate? All that means is that there will be more hands in the pie. Expect the scams to increase. Jet Ski Operators Put on a Short Leash.wmv PattayaPeopleMedia Did the mayor tell them he "had their cards" like he did the last time? Maybe another trip to the beach with the staff photographer will clear things up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafval Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 the worst of it is the violence that families have to witness while trying to have a holiday, obvious yaba use to induce such mindless violence just to get the money to buy more, urine tests would stop the problem, but while the police sell yaba at soi 9 station cant see that happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintofsilence Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 (edited) Jet Ski Scam Ending in Pattaya BY WANRAPA BOONSU PATTAYATIMES 15.08.2011 01:53 Jet Ski Scammers operate by accusing tourists of damaging their boats and then pressuring them into paying steep fees with threats of violence The Jet Ski Scam that has plagued beach cities in Thailand for years may have been resolved in Pattaya thanks to the Pattaya mayor and his team. http://pattaya-times.com/a7405-jet-ski-scam-ending-in-pattaya This headline is a bit misleading and it been sent out on twitter " Jet Ski Scam Ending in Pattaya ". As of today there are no signs of it ending yet. Edited August 15, 2011 by saintofsilence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surangw Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 security cameras in the area that have the scene recorded would get real evidence in short order? what happened to the plan for cameras on the beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Where are the Marine Police and Navy and Tourist Police? What do these clowns do all day? What is more important than Tourist Money? If farang stop coming this shiiithole will be flushed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMSOBAD Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Pattaya Times go rent a jetski tomorrow in front of Royal Garden and print your story again with FACTS NOT FICTION! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striderman Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Pattaya Times go rent a jetski tomorrow in front of Royal Garden and print your story again with FACTS NOT FICTION! never let the truth get in the way of a good headline, although it does include the word "MAY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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