Briton Beaten To Death By Motorcycle Gang In Thailand

Buchholz · March 31, 2011

One thing ........

I do think most Farangs live in Pattaya more than in Muang Chon....

Muang Chon.is an industrial city.... ..

My assumption

He might live in

1.Muang Chon and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there....

2..Pattaya and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there...

3.Or Pattaya and got attacked in Pattaya, if it's this one we should hear anything from the media.

I think you forgot...

4. Muang Chon and got attacked in Pattaya.

5. He lived in Chonburi, he was attacked in Chonburi.

The articles say he lives in Chonburi and that he was attacked very close to his home.

I have a number of friends that live in Chonburi. There's certainly more in Pattaya, but there's quite a few foreigners living in Chonburi, as well. Many are specifically connected to Chonburi precisely because it is an "industrial city."

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Edited March 31, 2011 by Buchholz

Payboy · March 31, 2011

One thing ........

I do think most Farangs live in Pattaya more than in Muang Chon....

Muang Chon.is an industrial city.... ..

My assumption

He might live in

1.Muang Chon and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there....

2..Pattaya and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there...

3.Or Pattaya and got attacked in Pattaya, if it's this one we should hear anything from the media.

I think you forgot...

4. Muang Chon and got attacked in Pattaya.

5. He lived in Chonburi, he was attacked in Chonburi.

The articles say he lives in Chonburi and that he was attacked very close to his home.

I have a number of friends that live in Chonburi. There's certainly more in Pattaya, but there's quite in Chonburi as well.

.

Pattaya is a city in Chonburi.

dunkin2012 · March 31, 2011

One thing ........

I do think most Farangs live in Pattaya more than in Muang Chon....

Muang Chon.is an industrial city.... ..

My assumption

He might live in

1.Muang Chon and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there....

2..Pattaya and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there...

3.Or Pattaya and got attacked in Pattaya, if it's this one we should hear anything from the media.

I think you forgot...

4. Muang Chon and got attacked in Pattaya.

you mentioned it ....cheers

Edited March 31, 2011 by dunkin2012

Buchholz · March 31, 2011

One thing ........

I do think most Farangs live in Pattaya more than in Muang Chon....

Muang Chon.is an industrial city.... ..

My assumption

He might live in

1.Muang Chon and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there....

2..Pattaya and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there...

3.Or Pattaya and got attacked in Pattaya, if it's this one we should hear anything from the media.

I think you forgot...

4. Muang Chon and got attacked in Pattaya.

5. He lived in Chonburi, he was attacked in Chonburi.

The articles say he lives in Chonburi and that he was attacked very close to his home.

I have a number of friends that live in Chonburi. There's certainly more in Pattaya, but there's quite in Chonburi as well.

.

Pattaya is a city in Chonburi.

Yes, thank you for that. It's also the name of a city and the aspect of which one was meant was discussed earlier.

*edit, upon re-reading, the earlier post, I see that my # 5 is actually the same as #1 posted earlier. I've gotten so used now to just glancing over the writings of our new member's posts in other threads, that I missed that. I'll try to more diligent in the future. Not rolling my eyes so much with them will be a start.

.

Edited March 31, 2011 by Buchholz

aussiebrian · March 31, 2011

Hi all, I wrote to Gina and got a very prompt reply. So as most Thais ride scooters I would think the headline is being a bit sensationalist, and if it was normal practice for him to have a word with everyone driving or riding dangerously, it was almost bound to happen eventually. This is what I found out.

Hi Brian, Thanks for your email and your interest. The details in the story are what the family have found out from one of Peter's neighbours who is a witness. They saw some of the exchange and from what i know peter had a word with the lads who were driving dangerously. He was not armed and they battered him before fleeing. It was the neighbour who also called police. Further details we don't know i'm afraid about whether or not the gang were wearing colours etc. However I do know from the family that Peter said the area had become very rough and lots of people were being murdered. The family feel there has been a cover-up because firstly the police are calling his death, death by assault, when it is in fact a murder. Still I suppose their thinking is that a murder of a westerner won't do their tourist trade any favours. The family are still battling to find out more from the Foreign Office. Thanks again for your interest. Gina Gina Marden

Edited March 31, 2011 by aussiebrian

dunkin2012 · March 31, 2011

Hi all, I wrote to Gina and got a very prompt reply. So as most Thais ride scooters I would think the headline is being a bit sensationalist, and if it was normal practice for him to have a word with everyone driving or riding dangerously, it was almost bound to happen eventually. This is what I found out.

Hi Brian, Thanks for your email and your interest. The details in the story are what the family have found out from one of Peter's neighbours who is a witness. They saw some of the exchange and from what i know peter had a word with the lads who were driving dangerously. He was not armed and they battered him before fleeing. It was the neighbour who also called police. Further details we don't know i'm afraid about whether or not the gang were wearing colours etc. However I do know from the family that Peter said the area had become very rough and lots of people were being murdered. The family feel there has been a cover-up because firstly the police are calling his death, death by assault, when it is in fact a murder. Still I suppose their thinking is that a murder of a westerner won't do their tourist trade any favours. The family are still battling to find out more from the Foreign Office. Thanks again for your interest. Gina Gina Marden

What does she mean by wearing colors?

Did Gina say where(become very rough and lots of people were being murdered.) it is?

death by assault is less severe than murder a lot....

Edited March 31, 2011 by dunkin2012

TheFishman1 · March 31, 2011

When I was very young in Fla. Just got my driver lic. and had a few Motor cycle guys after me I tried real hard to hit them thinking I got four wheels they are riding on two.After one fell off(cars hits bike) I saw a cop stopped him.Cop stopped the group that was after me,end of story.I drove away,thinking happy I was in a rental car.Police if they want can put a stop to it,very easy,did it in Arizona put them all in jail. My heart goes out to the family

aussiebrian · March 31, 2011

Hi all, I wrote to Gina and got a very prompt reply. So as most Thais ride scooters I would think the headline is being a bit sensationalist, and if it was normal practice for him to have a word with everyone driving or riding dangerously, it was almost bound to happen eventually. This is what I found out.

Hi Brian, Thanks for your email and your interest. The details in the story are what the family have found out from one of Peter's neighbours who is a witness. They saw some of the exchange and from what i know peter had a word with the lads who were driving dangerously. He was not armed and they battered him before fleeing. It was the neighbour who also called police. Further details we don't know i'm afraid about whether or not the gang were wearing colours etc. However I do know from the family that Peter said the area had become very rough and lots of people were being murdered. The family feel there has been a cover-up because firstly the police are calling his death, death by assault, when it is in fact a murder. Still I suppose their thinking is that a murder of a westerner won't do their tourist trade any favours. The family are still battling to find out more from the Foreign Office. Thanks again for your interest. Gina Gina Marden

What does she mean by wearing colors?

Did Gina say where(become very rough and lots of people were being murdered.) it is?

death by assault is less severe than murder a lot....

Motorcycle clubs (or the term Team as used in Thailand) have a unique club patch or colours with "MC" meaning motorcycle club that are worn on the riders vest, bearing the insignia, with the club name and place where they are from. It was used in response to one of my questions. I assume it happened in Pattaya. I just received another email from her..

"Brian, The gang term is that used by the neighbour as that is what they believed the attackers to be. Since the family were happy with the story that is my main concern. Thanks for your interest though. Gina Gina Marden

Crime Reporter

Basildon Echo

Tel: 01268 469379"

aussiebrian · March 31, 2011

When I was very young in Fla. Just got my driver lic. and had a few Motor cycle guys after me I tried real hard to hit them thinking I got four wheels they are riding on two.After one fell off(cars hits bike) I saw a cop stopped him.Cop stopped the group that was after me,end of story.I drove away,thinking happy I was in a rental car.Police if they want can put a stop to it,very easy,did it in Arizona put them all in jail. My heart goes out to the family

Sounds like you couldn't drive after you just got your licence and most likely almost killed them, then you say they were after you, more likely you were after them unless you put your car into R for race. Were they behind you or infront of you? You saw a cop stopped him, well why didn't you go and tell the cop what had happened? sounds more like the cop was helping the poor guy you almost killed and he was giving details about you. Hope you stay in your boat fishing and keep off the road with an attitude like that."Put them all in jail", sounds like that is where you should be.

katana · March 31, 2011

odd there hasnt been any mention of this in the local Pattaya news.

That may be because he died on January 12th and got into the altercation in late December of 2010. So, you would need to go back near 3-months to search for the story.

For all I know Thais have already been bashed by posters regarding this story back in January

That's the interesting aspect of this situation. There is no back thread on this killing. It happened back then, but nothing was reported either here in Thaivisa or in any local media I've looked for.

I tried searching for anything regarding the story in the Thai press yesterday and turned up nothing too.

dunkin2012 · March 31, 2011

odd there hasnt been any mention of this in the local Pattaya news.

That may be because he died on January 12th and got into the altercation in late December of 2010. So, you would need to go back near 3-months to search for the story.

For all I know Thais have already been bashed by posters regarding this story back in January

That's the interesting aspect of this situation. There is no back thread on this killing. It happened back then, but nothing was reported either here in Thaivisa or in any local media I've looked for.

I tried searching for anything regarding the story in the Thai press yesterday and turned up nothing too.

So we can say it's a "cover-up"...

Can it be that one of the top police men' sons involved?

Then they tried to make the case disappear.... This is special..though

dunkin2012 · March 31, 2011

Hi all, I wrote to Gina and got a very prompt reply. So as most Thais ride scooters I would think the headline is being a bit sensationalist, and if it was normal practice for him to have a word with everyone driving or riding dangerously, it was almost bound to happen eventually. This is what I found out.

Hi Brian, Thanks for your email and your interest. The details in the story are what the family have found out from one of Peter's neighbours who is a witness. They saw some of the exchange and from what i know peter had a word with the lads who were driving dangerously. He was not armed and they battered him before fleeing. It was the neighbour who also called police. Further details we don't know i'm afraid about whether or not the gang were wearing colours etc. However I do know from the family that Peter said the area had become very rough and lots of people were being murdered. The family feel there has been a cover-up because firstly the police are calling his death, death by assault, when it is in fact a murder. Still I suppose their thinking is that a murder of a westerner won't do their tourist trade any favours. The family are still battling to find out more from the Foreign Office. Thanks again for your interest. Gina Gina Marden

What does she mean by wearing colors?

Did Gina say where(become very rough and lots of people were being murdered.) it is?

death by assault is less severe than murder a lot....

Motorcycle clubs (or the term Team as used in Thailand) have a unique club patch or colours with "MC" meaning motorcycle club that are worn on the riders vest, bearing the insignia, with the club name and place where they are from. It was used in response to one of my questions. I assume it happened in Pattaya. I just received another email from her..

"Brian, The gang term is that used by the neighbour as that is what they believed the attackers to be. Since the family were happy with the story that is my main concern. Thanks for your interest though. Gina Gina Marden

Crime Reporter

Basildon Echo

Tel: 01268 469379"

thanks cheers

timekeeper · March 31, 2011

two words of advise to anyone venturing out in these parts, whether it be on a bike, in a car or on foot:

PEPPER SPRAY.......

RIP Peter

appropriate · March 31, 2011

two words of advise to anyone venturing out in these parts, whether it be on a bike, in a car or on foot:

PEPPER SPRAY....

Actually that's not a bad idea.

Now that Thailand's becoming like America.

Mobi · March 31, 2011

One thing ........

I do think most Farangs live in Pattaya more than in Muang Chon....

Muang Chon.is an industrial city.... ..

My assumption

He might live in

1.Muang Chon and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there....

2..Pattaya and got attacked (Muang Chon ) there...

3.Or Pattaya and got attacked in Pattaya, if it's this one we should hear anything from the media.

I think you forgot...

4. Muang Chon and got attacked in Pattaya.

5. He lived in Chonburi, he was attacked in Chonburi.

The articles say he lives in Chonburi and that he was attacked very close to his home.

I have a number of friends that live in Chonburi. There's certainly more in Pattaya, but there's quite a few foreigners living in Chonburi, as well. Many are specifically connected to Chonburi precisely because it is an "industrial city."

.

We must bear in mind that the article has been written by a Daily Mail reporter, who may or may not have ever been in Thailand. Pattaya is in Chonburi province and it may well be that the reporter is confused and that the victim did indeed live in Pattaya.

Certainly the photograph that accompanies the story is of Pattaya, yet the caption under the pic reads: Millions of tourists flock to Chonburi, Thailand, every year to enjoy the beaches and nightlife

Not definitive, but if I was a guessing man I'd say it happened in Pattaya.

Surely someone out there must know for sure?

geriatrickid · March 31, 2011

How about this; It was a confrontation between a motorcycle gang and a fellow that pissed them off? What do you think happens if you try to pass the Hells Angels or Satans Choice when they are blocking a road driving illegally two abreast? Not every crime is motivated because someone is a foreigner. Sometimes the victims are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Hey geriatric, in Australia it is not illegal to ride two abreast. I can't say about other places in the world but would think that is not. Staggered formation is far safer and most bikers prefer that. I love your choice of words, "Blocking a road." Riding two abreast takes up no more room than when you sit in your car driving on the road, (most likely chatting on your phone) and far less room than a truck "blocking a road" just because it was there. I bet you don't try running a truck off the road. Or do you think motorcycles should have to ride in the gutter? They have just as much right to be on the road as you do, except in Bangkok where they are discriminated against by law. And if you passed them legally, giving them a safe amount of clearance, without trying to run them off the road absolutely nothing will happen to you. How do you know it was not the other way around and Peter was pissed off about the motorcyclists being on the road and that is why he tried to confront them? I don't know and unless you know something that isn't in the story, neither do you. Let me guess, you don't ride a big motorcycle.

With a quick google I see it is also legal in most if not all of the USA http://www.bmwbmw.or...hp?f=62&t=16242

and many other places. Can't see anywhere where it is illegal for motorcycles, can you? I don't say I have searched every country. Do your research before you mouth off, but that I don't think is your style. I can just imagine you running off the road two outlaw motorcycles riding two abreast because you thought it was illegal, then got pissed off when they got upset, and blaming them for punching your lights out.

As for everyone else's racist comments about Thais, I wonder why you bother living in Thailand. The article never said the so called "gang" were Thai. And as for the and anti motorcycle rhetoric, maybe you would speak different if you all rode a motorcycles and had to put up with imbeciles on the road that thought like you do. And for londonthai, "note to myself: drive off or drive them over, but don't stop. Risky and waste of time". I am really sorry it was not you beaten to death. Please go back to London and please stay off the roads and they will be a much safer place with out you.

The reported story leaves a lot more questions than answers, and I don't think Gina Marden would ever get a job or win any awards as an investigative reporter.

My condolences to the family of Peter if she got his name right.

ok, calm down. First off, I have nothing against motorcycles or scooters. I am an automobile owner, but I also have a scooter and a bicycle and do appreciate that other drivers can be inconsiderate. There are ways two illegally block a road while two abreast, i.e. not allowing someone to pass when the conditions warrant it. I had no idea at the time who or what was responsible. My intent wasn't to bash people on motorcycles, but rather point out that the event was not necessarily Thais targeting some guy to kill. And no I am not saying everyone on a motorcycle is a thug. This is one sad story and until the reasons are discovered, it is unfair for the Thais intentionally murdering Foreigner conspiracy theories to take off.

Netfan · March 31, 2011

Can anyone name a single western murder where the perp was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for a suitable period of time?

Anyone?

Ian Beeston

Dale Henry

Toby Charnaud

Just off the top of my head.

Anything else we can help you with, anti-bitterness pills perhaps?

Toby's case was solved only after the family employed private investigators from the UK to come over and uncover what had happened. Anything else we can help you with?

appropriate · March 31, 2011

Can anyone name a single western murder where the perp was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for a suitable period of time?

Anyone?

Ian Beeston

Dale Henry

Toby Charnaud

Just off the top of my head.

Anything else we can help you with, anti-bitterness pills perhaps?

Toby's case was solved only after the family employed private investigators from the UK to come over and uncover what had happened.

Yup, and answers the question.

Can anyone name a single western murder where the perp was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for a suitable period of time?

Anything else we can help you with?

Nope, I'm doing a perfectly good job of educating the lesser-knowledged, excessively bittered on here. Thanks.

BTW, the PI in this case was hired due to the sheer ineptness and inability of the British Embassy to communicate and help the family. Because of the British Embassy the family felt there was no choice but to hire a PI.

The PI helped locate the poor Toby's body. From which point of course the Thai police took over to complete the investigation, and see that the murderers were brought justice under the Thai justice system. Life imprisonment.

Anything else I can help you with, just let me know.

Edited March 31, 2011 by appropriate

happyrobert · April 1, 2011

Can anyone name a single western murder where the perp was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for a suitable period of time?

Anyone?

Ian Beeston

Dale Henry

Toby Charnaud

Just off the top of my head.

Anything else we can help you with, anti-bitterness pills perhaps?

It was a legitimate question to which you were the only one, much to your credit (if correct) to give an answer. Too bad you had to ruin your reply with put-down sarcasm. Humorous sarcasm, borne of wit, is always welcome. Sarcasm borne of low self-esteem is boring.

Edited April 1, 2011 by happyrobert

ding · April 1, 2011

two words of advise to anyone venturing out in these parts, whether it be on a bike, in a car or on foot:

PEPPER SPRAY....

Actually that's not a bad idea.

Now that Thailand's becoming like America.

Sounds like it's getting that way. A bike gang of any stripe against ONE man reminds me of the Southpark episode about old guys riding noisy Harleys. There was a word they used. First letter F last letter G.

This act was cowardly, petty, and weak. Nobody deserves the death penalty for this. No group has the right to murder one lone person because he 'should have known better'. This crap pisses me off, sorry. This was a man of substance as evidenced by where he was in life. And the group of little b*t***s that murdered him were F*GS -no matter which country they were from.

Edited April 1, 2011 by ding

Flatouthruthefog · April 1, 2011

The 59-year-old from Basildon, who had been living in the country and working as a builder 
 i thought that 'occupation' was on the CANNOT do list for foreigners in Thailand...... <img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif" />

Too much to expect that the BiB are looking into THAT as a possible motive????

appropriate · April 1, 2011

What, that a " " tattoo was some sort of gang affiliation?

The Big Rowdy's perhaps.

It really is getting like America!

Edited April 1, 2011 by appropriate

Asa · April 1, 2011

Another kill in the LOS. But do not rush the case, not for long the gang will be caught and face their karma. The bad guys would hang around in the same area, would not be that hard to get them. RIP

MSingh · April 1, 2011

The usual dribble by the usual posters, along with tales of how 'my friend got so etc etc and he did nothing wrong etc etc etc'.

Yeah right.

Never happens back in your good old 'home country'.

Off topic sorry..

What's the crack with your Avatar ??

PM if you want, i'm intrigued..

appropriate · April 1, 2011

The bad guys would hang around in the same area, would not be that hard to get them. RIP

I though bike gangs kinda went around riding their bikes, you know, riding, to different places.

Is this not the case?

Edited April 1, 2011 by appropriate

Livinginexile · May 3, 2011

How about this; It was a confrontation between a motorcycle gang and a fellow that pissed them off? What do you think happens if you try to pass the Hells Angels or Satans Choice when they are blocking a road driving illegally two abreast? Not every crime is motivated because someone is a foreigner. Sometimes the victims are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Hey geriatric, in Australia it is not illegal to ride two abreast. I can't say about other places in the world but would think that is not. Staggered formation is far safer and most bikers prefer that. I love your choice of words, "Blocking a road." Riding two abreast takes up no more room than when you sit in your car driving on the road, (most likely chatting on your phone) and far less room than a truck "blocking a road" just because it was there. I bet you don't try running a truck off the road. Or do you think motorcycles should have to ride in the gutter? They have just as much right to be on the road as you do, except in Bangkok where they are discriminated against by law. And if you passed them legally, giving them a safe amount of clearance, without trying to run them off the road absolutely nothing will happen to you. How do you know it was not the other way around and Peter was pissed off about the motorcyclists being on the road and that is why he tried to confront them? I don't know and unless you know something that isn't in the story, neither do you. Let me guess, you don't ride a big motorcycle.

With a quick google I see it is also legal in most if not all of the USA http://www.bmwbmw.or...hp?f=62&t=16242

and many other places. Can't see anywhere where it is illegal for motorcycles, can you? I don't say I have searched every country. Do your research before you mouth off, but that I don't think is your style. I can just imagine you running off the road two outlaw motorcycles riding two abreast because you thought it was illegal, then got pissed off when they got upset, and blaming them for punching your lights out.

As for everyone else's racist comments about Thais, I wonder why you bother living in Thailand. The article never said the so called "gang" were Thai. And as for the and anti motorcycle rhetoric, maybe you would speak different if you all rode a motorcycles and had to put up with imbeciles on the road that thought like you do. And for londonthai, "note to myself: drive off or drive them over, but don't stop. Risky and waste of time". I am really sorry it was not you beaten to death. Please go back to London and please stay off the roads and they will be a much safer place with out you.

The reported story leaves a lot more questions than answers, and I don't think Gina Marden would ever get a job or win any awards as an investigative reporter.

My condolences to the family of Peter if she got his name right.

Well said Brian!

I agree with every word you wrote.

Nice one

SAffer · May 3, 2011

Can anyone name a single western murder where the perp was arrested, tried, convicted and incarcerated for a suitable period of time?

Anyone?

Ian Beeston

Dale Henry

Toby Charnaud

Just off the top of my head.

Anything else we can help you with, anti-bitterness pills perhaps?

It was a legitimate question to which you were the only one, much to your credit (if correct) to give an answer. Too bad you had to ruin your reply with put-down sarcasm. Humorous sarcasm, borne of wit, is always welcome. Sarcasm borne of low self-esteem is boring.

Mmmm... actually the sarcasm was pretty funny in this case.

I do however feel that 'farang' do not get decent service from the authorities, and though a small percentage of cases involving foreigners as victims are sloved, you are right in general (in my observation anyway).

jimbeam1 · May 3, 2011

The bad guys would hang around in the same area, would not be that hard to get them. RIP

I though bike gangs kinda went around riding their bikes, you know, riding, to different places.

Is this not the case?

Was it a biker gang as in Hells Angels type gang? Or just a bunch of nasty youngsters?

jb1

Thongkorn · May 3, 2011

At the end of the day a life has been lost needlessly regarding who was write and who was wrong, and the incident was not a life threatening situation. Sad .

Edited May 3, 2011 by Thongkorn

homeslice · May 4, 2011

Has anyone considered suicide?

Seems like you need counseling.

He does need counseling, he has a sense of humor and a good grip on reality. In Thailand almost every Foreigner that dies under slightly dubious circumstances, at the hands of a Thai, has, according to the police, "committed suicide". He was making a rather rye statement about an unfortunate fact of life in Thailand.

It's not that I am trying to be offensive, I just wish that there was a different reality.

Counseling, by the way is spelled "counseling".

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