Tot & Torrents

[AyG]

What possible need would anyone have for high speed internet if they weren't downloading torrents?

All the legit stuff can be done on dial-up.

Watching stuff on Youtube and other video streaming sites.

Downloading free software such as Ubuntu and Eclipse.

Distributing software they've written and provide for without charge.

Using GMail (it's a pain on dial-up).

Even just browsing the world wide web has become virtually impossible on dial-up because of graphics heavy sites and the widespread use of Flash and the like.

ludditeman, are you really using dial-up? If not, why are you (presumably) paying for a faster service when nobody, according to you, needs it?

[CMSteve]

It has its purposes. but realistically, I get over 1200K on a 12Mb line with torrents. No extra monthly payment for usenet, etc.....

<deleted> to torrents I use newsgroups and rapidshare style download sites and my 4mb connection happliy drops at 400k 24/7.

[Spoonman]

It has its purposes. but realistically, I get over 1200K on a 12Mb line with torrents. No extra monthly payment for usenet, etc.....

In an ideal world, sucks when the ISP start throttling torrents though.

[ludditeman]

What possible need would anyone have for high speed internet if they weren't downloading torrents?

All the legit stuff can be done on dial-up.

Watching stuff on Youtube and other video streaming sites.

Downloading free software such as Ubuntu and Eclipse.

Distributing software they've written and provide for without charge.

Using GMail (it's a pain on dial-up).

Even just browsing the world wide web has become virtually impossible on dial-up because of graphics heavy sites and the widespread use of Flash and the like.

ludditeman, are you really using dial-up? If not, why are you (presumably) paying for a faster service when nobody, according to you, needs it?

Watching stuff on Youtube ...... usually pop videos .... so not legit

Downloading 'free' software ................ 1 use a month or less for most people.

Distributing software you have written from within Thailand would not be 'legit' unless you had a work permit.

Using gmail, OK but not convinced you need high speed, as you can always switch it to 'basic' mode.

Browsing the internet is becoming more of a problem as we are increasingly spammed by high bandwith rubbish by web hosting sites, firefox can block most of it though.

I'm not using dial-up, but then I'm a bad person!

[negreanu]

[<deleted> to torrents I use newsgroups and rapidshare style download sites and my 4mb connection happliy drops at 400k 24/7./quote]

Agreed give me a NZB provider and newsgroups ANY day over torrents.

People are all into torrents but they fail to realise that 99.9% of things that arrive on torrents originate in newsgroups.

I can maximise my 16mb True connection 24/7 using newsgroups and no dependence on other people seeding. Most people who go newsgroups never look back. But then again you have to pay for most decent usenet providers and nab providers. And the setup is not so idiot like as torrents.

[ShopBoy]

Agreed give me a NZB provider and newsgroups ANY day over torrents.

People are all into torrents but they fail to realise that 99.9% of things that arrive on torrents originate in newsgroups.

I can maximise my 16mb True connection 24/7 using newsgroups and do no dependence on other people seeding. Most people who go newsgroups never look back.

can you recommend a newsgroup where i can go to

[negreanu]

usenetserver or giganews or easynews.

NZB server so many but newzbin.

None of which are free but you have to pay for quality

[MKAsok]

People are all into torrents but they fail to realise that 99.9% of things that arrive on torrents originate in newsgroups.

Wrong. Usenet gets its content from exactly the same place as BT trackers - scene ftp topsites. It (Usenet) may be good for new i.e. scene releases, but it's utterly useless for older stuff. Private BT trackers give you not only access to scene releases (often with pre-times in the seconds on the higher level trackers), but also to vast libraries of archives and custom rips.

[ludditeman]

I stopped using newsgroups years ago, torrents are for the average user.

ISPs used to play with newsgroups too, but now it's not worth their while.

Private Seedbox is the latest way to go for pros, but a bit pricey at the moment.

[negreanu]

usenet has come a long way since years back.

NZB providers have huge databases of old stuff that is still available on newsgroups. Stating that newsgroup is only the new stuff is quite frankly nonsense. The retention rates are now upto 3 years with 100% completion on some of the better providers.

Old stuff such as unpopular movies and old episodes of tv shows etc. are being upped on newsgroups all the time.

Torrents some of the older stuff may only be seeded by 2 people uploading at 5kb/s - good luck with that.

NZB database and 3-4 year retention rates with 100% completion has totally changed usenet and those who think differently have obviously not used the better provider and a decent NZB provider.

Seedbox still makes torrents better but you just can't beat current NZB and usenet providers for speed and reliability.

Unless you are after really obscure stuff then most of the content on torrent sites is available on usenet.

Try it:

1. Usenetserver Account

2. Newzbin Account

3. Newsleecher software.

Total bliss. Can max out a 50mb connection here in bkk on 1 movie for example.

[happysanook]

If ToT don't like people using so much bandwidth they should intorduce capped plans, me personally I smash them down for the 12 hrs Iam at work each day, nothing unusual to drop down 10gb and on the days I don't it's because I slept in and did not have time to load up my download manager.

Yea, that's smart. Make it just like the west. One of the great things about Thailand is NOT having to worry about capped plans. I very rarely have any issues with the speeds of Thailand's internet.

Regarding the OP, if the phone call truly happened, it more than likely was because he was singled out for being farang. Similar to USA where they look suspiciously on anyone with a middle-eastern name.

[MKAsok]

@negreanu - Some fair comments, but I've used both extensively and simply found that a combination of private (high-level - the ones with very significant numbers of seedboxes) trackers wins hands-down over Usenet. I can max out my box (1Gbps connection) on pretty much anything, obscure or otherwise, and my box will max out my home connection via ftp. Depends what your individual needs are I suppose.

[Spoonman]

If ToT don't like people using so much bandwidth they should intorduce capped plans, me personally I smash them down for the 12 hrs Iam at work each day, nothing unusual to drop down 10gb and on the days I don't it's because I slept in and did not have time to load up my download manager.

Yea, that's smart. Make it just like the west. One of the great things about Thailand is NOT having to worry about capped plans. I very rarely have any issues with the speeds of Thailand's internet.

Regarding the OP, if the phone call truly happened, it more than likely was because he was singled out for being farang. Similar to USA where they look suspiciously on anyone with a middle-eastern name.

I never said it was smart and Iam rather fond of my "unlimited" connection, however if ToT are concerned at their subscriber's raping the internet well then it will only be a matter of time when capped plans are introduced.

[rixalex]

If i may just squeeze in a quick question, as there seem to be a lot of torrent download aficionados here, can anyone tell me how much speed of one's download is affected by the number of things one has downloading at a given time. If say i have half a dozen files being downloaded, will pausing five of them increase the download speed of the sixth, or will there be little/no difference?

[McGarty]

If i may just squeeze in a quick question, as there seem to be a lot of torrent download aficionados here, can anyone tell me how much speed of one's download is affected by the number of things one has downloading at a given time. If say i have half a dozen files being downloaded, will pausing five of them increase the download speed of the sixth, or will there be little/no difference?

There are various factors involved.

Yes pausing your other torrents will give the other the maximum speed it can get. Pause or stop them and see if the speed increases. It may not because of various other factors.

The speed of your d/l is affected by :-

Your bandwidth, obviously.

The speed of the internet on any given day and time and how many are using it. My TOT seems to lag late afternoon.

The speed of the upload to you from the peers. Some cap uploads. And how many Leechers there are taking that particualar torrent.

Setting your settings to maximum d/l speed will help.

Browsing the web can slow your d/l too.

Not sure if I have missed anything.

[rixalex]

If i may just squeeze in a quick question, as there seem to be a lot of torrent download aficionados here, can anyone tell me how much speed of one's download is affected by the number of things one has downloading at a given time. If say i have half a dozen files being downloaded, will pausing five of them increase the download speed of the sixth, or will there be little/no difference?

There are various factors involved.

Yes pausing your other torrents will give the other the maximum speed it can get. Pause or stop them and see if the speed increases. It may not because of various other factors.

The speed of your d/l is affected by :-

Your bandwidth, obviously.

The speed of the internet on any given day and time and how many are using it. My TOT seems to lag late afternoon.

The speed of the upload to you from the peers. Some cap uploads. And how many Leechers there are taking that particualar torrent.

Setting your settings to maximum d/l speed will help.

Browsing the web can slow your d/l too.

Not sure if I have missed anything.

Thanks. I appreciate there are a wide variety of factors involved that determine d/l speed, but it was with regards number of d/ls and tghe affect thereof, that i was most interested. As the speed is constantly fluctuating, i have found it hard to ascertain whether pausing other d/ls makes a difference to the one/ones that aren't. I take it from your answer though, that the answer is "yes".

[McGarty]

Yes pausing your other torrents will give the remaining torrent your maximum bandwidth to download. But you can only d/l at the speed it is being given from the source and depending on the other factors of which there are many.

On the other hand you say the d/l is fluctuating constantly. That is down to the other factors. No one download will achieve your maximum speed if the people giving it to you are not themselves giving at that speed.

I can d/l from the Box and get 450 d/l speed constantly. Yet I can d/l from another source and get a top speed of 50. That is down to the Box allocating massive bandwith and the peers giving the maximum.

Yet if the Box has 1 peer and 500 leechers, the 1 peer and the system has to divide that 1 peers speed between the 500. When more people get that d/l and they seed then there speed is added to the original 1st peer. Now you have 2 peers then 3 and 4 and so on. The speed is increased. This might be the case with your torrent.

Also how many peers are online at that time? Not everyone seeds all the time. One minute you can have 23 peers, the next minute 5 of those might turn off their connections so your speed fluctuates.

Add to that the numerous other factors involved you need to determine by trial and error what way is best for you.

Do you have DHT enabled? Is there a green tick on the network connection at the bottom of you torrent screen? Are your settings and preferences set to optimum? And these are only the factors you can alter.

[jawdoe]

i just got TOT setup and i am downloading 24/7 had it for 3 weeks down about 300gb i'd say no phone call..... i use peerblock 1.1 to block ips trying to track/check illegal downloading etc, not sure if that is stopping the service provider (TOT) aswell