This is the NeoCons original idea that "necessary" lies or myths will serve the public better than the truth. Read Strauss.

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It is absolute horsesh*t to attribute these characteristics to only the far right. The far left are just as big if not bigger control freaks. The whole &lt;deleted&gt;' leftist welfare state is based upon the premise that the government knows how to take care of people better than the people themselves.

Well, there hasn't been a Freemason in office since Gerald Ford so I woldn't focus on that aspect. 

better name for Freemasons is goat fcukers .....you would be surprised how high in society they are....and they always look after their own.

There may not have been a Goat shagger in office since Ford, but you could bet your bottom dollar that a good percentage of the decision makers and money donators are.

Not really...

You are working under false assumptions.

Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.

Illustrious Albert Pike 33°

Sovereign Grand Commander

Mother Supreme Council of the World

THE SUPREME COUNCIL of the ThirtyThird and Last Degree

Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry

Morals and Dogma, page 103 -

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[/color] This stuff right here. What does all these titles mean?Could you explain all this please? It sounds serious.

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Basically, what Mr. Pike is saying is that lying to the majority of the population in a nation is needed because they are too ignorant to absorb the real truth. Futhermore, lying is also needed because what is really happening, what the real agenda of nations is, would not be accepted by the masses easily. If they knew how badly they were being screwed over, they would most certainly revolt.

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Oh, no I got that. I meant the stuff in yellow. Where does all that come from?

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Oh, I didnt know what you were asking about.

Albert Pike was one of the most respected leaders of the Freemasons in the 1800's. The "Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", which Albert Pike became the Grand Master, is widely believe to be one of the original schools originating out of the ashes of the Knights Templars when they went looking for refuge in Scotland. 33rd degree, which you see in his title, was Pikes rank. Every Mason is designated a rank through a degree and 33rd degree is the top ranking. With each new rank, a Mason is let in further into the secrets which the Masons know. Most of it is thought to be bulls**t until you start reaching the ranks of 30 degree and higher. This quote from Pike came from a book he wrote called "Morals & Dogma" like you see there.

If you want to know how powerful Albert Pike was so you can give credence to what he is saying, after the Civil War Pike was found guilty of Treason against the United States. Treason, or betraying your country for another, is one of the most serious crimes in the U.S. and is usually punishable by death. Pike was pardoned by fellow Freemason President Andrew Johnson on April 22, 1866, who met with him the next day at the White House. On June 20, 1867, Scottish Rite officials conferred upon Johnson the 4th to 32nd Freemasonry degrees, and he later went to Boston to dedicate a Masonic Temple.

They gave Johnson a huge jump in rank from 4th to 32nd degree, which is the second higest you can go. For Treason? Makes you think twice about who really pulls the stings in Washington doesn't it?

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Neat. Don't know much about those guys but have always been told things. I guess one day I will get around to reading more about them, I have always wondered how much of these myths I hear are based in fact.

Could you explain all this please? It sounds serious.

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Watch "3 Days of the Condor"

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OH, what's that?

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Tremendous circa '73 movie well before its time, starring Robert Redford, Max Von Sydow et al. Redford works for the CIA as a reader researcher who reads "everything" to look for plots, links to plans, hidden codes, etc. He accidentally uncovers a CIA plot that was being considered for invading a middle east country to get the oil.

Redford's CIA handler lays down the facts that the plan would have worked and that when it really comes down to it, people need oil, people want oil and when push comes to shove, they won't care how oil is obtained, so long as it is obtained. In other words, they won't care what the truth is as long as the majority get what they think they want and need.

I won't say any more becuase it could ruin the movie which you would probably find interesting and entertaining.

I heard it another way in an espionage/subversion book that I read while doing a college research paper a long time ago. In it the author talks about various subversion and other techniques for controlling large groups of people. ONe of his key points is "A confused society is a controllable society."

All the more reason to believe none of what you hear, only half of what you see, and to think for yourself and believe and trust your own instincts.

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That sounds like a really good movie.

The movie is doing it's rounds on UBC(HBO) at the moment.

One point that McNamara made was that during WWII, if they had lost, both himself and lemay would have been charged with war crimes.(Over bombing of civilians in Japan)

Many of the failures in Vietnam were politicians making military decisions. Nothing different in Iraq.

That is true in several ways.

For example the way LBJ every morning pointed out on a big map over the country where to focus the days bombings by the high-altitude heavy bombers.

A lot of forrest was bombed for no good reason.

Could you explain all this please? It sounds serious.

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Watch "3 Days of the Condor"

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OH, what's that?

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Tremendous circa '73 movie well before its time, starring Robert Redford, Max Von Sydow, Faye Dunaway et al. and is directed by Sidney Pollack of Tootsie and Out of Africa fame. Redford works for the CIA as a reader researcher who reads "everything" to look for plots, links to plans, hidden codes, etc. He accidentally uncovers a CIA plot that was being considered for invading a middle east country to get the oil.

Redford's CIA handler lays down the facts that the plan would have worked and that when it really comes down to it, people need oil, people want oil and when push comes to shove, they won't care how oil is obtained, so long as it is obtained. In other words, they won't care what the truth is as long as the majority get what they think they want and need.

I won't say any more becuase it could ruin the movie which you would probably find interesting and entertaining.

I heard it another way in an espionage/subversion book that I read while doing a college research paper a long time ago. In it the author talks about various subversion and other techniques for controlling large groups of people. ONe of his key points is "A confused society is a controllable society."

All the more reason to believe none of what you hear, only half of what you see, and to think for yourself and believe and trust your own instincts.

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That sounds like a really good movie. It is a classic. At least as good as any Hitchcock.