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I have never been to the States but it does seem to be a vast country with a great variety of scenery, wildlife, climates and people. If I came from there I can't imagine why I would want to live here. America seems to have everything; mountains, beaches, deserts, wildernesses and big cosmopolitan cities. Yet there does seem to be a lot of Americans living here. I can't understand why they would want to leave all that and come and live in a condo or mooban in Chiangmai.

It's because of our intrusive government of course! California is one of the most beautiful places in the world. The Colorado mountains, Florida beaches, and on and on are beautiful, but....the government....

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Just for the record, I've lived in Mexico, and can assure you the people there highly resent citizens of the US declaring themselves as "Americans." They much prefer that you specify, as they consider themselves to be from America too.

I've been here a couple of years, and know people from a lot of different countries who stopped in Chiang Mai and stayed. My initial perception was that the British and Australians dominated numerically, but I came to understand that was a direct result of where I happened to be when I arrived. When I moved to Bangkok, I seemed to see a lot more US and Japanese expats, again thanks to the specific area I lived in there. In other words, it's all anecdotal until someone talks Thai Immigration into opening their files and letting us see the numbers. It's only logical that North American and UK natives will come out on top in the numbers.

Listening to voices on the street is a pretty thin strategy for coming to an informed conclusion. Even if it were worth a try, most people have a hard time distinguishing US English from Canadian English.

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Just for the record, I've lived in Mexico, and can assure you the people there highly resent citizens of the US declaring themselves as "Americans." They much prefer that you specify, as they consider themselves to be from America too.

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Yes, it becomes a political and diplomatic issue south of the border of the U.S.A. In Thailand, it is NOT an issue. In any case, Mexicans and all Latin Americans might be annoyed but they STILL know what you mean. Edited by Jingthing
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I have never been to the States but it does seem to be a vast country with a great variety of scenery, wildlife, climates and people. If I came from there I can't imagine why I would want to live here. America seems to have everything; mountains, beaches, deserts, wildernesses and big cosmopolitan cities. Yet there does seem to be a lot of Americans living here. I can't understand why they would want to leave all that and come and live in a condo or mooban in Chiangmai.

It's because of our intrusive government of course! California is one of the most beautiful places in the world. The Colorado mountains, Florida beaches, and on and on are beautiful, but....the government....

Very true. I love America, love American women, love my fellow Americans. Despise my intrusive, weakening, American government. I voted with my feet.

I too think the USA has everything and if one has enough money I would definitely choose it over Thailand.

I maintain my position that most people move here because it's cheap, but I do also know some people that hate the US government with a passion. I've heard various reasons for this, but never really had it defined exactly how they spoil a person's life so much that they have to leave? I have some friends in the USA, who are happy and content, not right wing and to be honest I've never heard them complain about the government (apart from the usual which every country does) to the point of wanting to leave.

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I have never been to the States but it does seem to be a vast country with a great variety of scenery, wildlife, climates and people. If I came from there I can't imagine why I would want to live here. America seems to have everything; mountains, beaches, deserts, wildernesses and big cosmopolitan cities. Yet there does seem to be a lot of Americans living here. I can't understand why they would want to leave all that and come and live in a condo or mooban in Chiangmai.

It's because of our intrusive government of course! California is one of the most beautiful places in the world. The Colorado mountains, Florida beaches, and on and on are beautiful, but....the government....

Very true. I love America, love American women, love my fellow Americans. Despise my intrusive, weakening, American government. I voted with my feet.

I too think the USA has everything and if one has enough money I would definitely choose it over Thailand.

I maintain my position that most people move here because it's cheap, but I do also know some people that hate the US government with a passion. I've heard various reasons for this, but never really had it defined exactly how they spoil a person's life so much that they have to leave? I have some friends in the USA, who are happy and content, not right wing and to be honest I've never heard them complain about the government (apart from the usual which every country does) to the point of wanting to leave.

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Just for the record, I've lived in Mexico, and can assure you the people there highly resent citizens of the US declaring themselves as "Americans." They much prefer that you specify, as they consider themselves to be from America too.

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Yes, it becomes a political and diplomatic issue south of the border of the U.S.A. In Thailand, it is NOT an issue. In any case, Mexicans and all Latin Americans might be annoyed but they STILL know what you mean.

A lot of people have no idea Thailand and Taiwan are two different countries. That still doesn't excuse their ignorance, and certainly won't lead to any useful dialogue with citizens of either country. Everything is political and diplomatic. Or, in some cases, quite undiplomatic.

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Just for the record, I've lived in Mexico, and can assure you the people there highly resent citizens of the US declaring themselves as "Americans." They much prefer that you specify, as they consider themselves to be from America too.

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Yes, it becomes a political and diplomatic issue south of the border of the U.S.A. In Thailand, it is NOT an issue. In any case, Mexicans and all Latin Americans might be annoyed but they STILL know what you mean.

A lot of people have no idea Thailand and Taiwan are two different countries. That still doesn't excuse their ignorance, and certainly won't lead to any useful dialogue with citizens of either country. Everything is political and diplomatic. Or, in some cases, quite undiplomatic.

Totally different things, dude. Americans calling themselves Americans is not ignorant in the slightest.
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So what is American football?

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Americashort for the United States of America

Also called:the American continent, including North,South,and Central America

The problem is that the definition is probably from an American dictionary

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I kinda miss some of it actually, you know, Cops who actually do their jobs and might pull you over. Standards and regulations,

But I hate those same standards that keep away so much great street food in some many areas.

Government is not one of my reasons for leaving though.

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The Thai government requires 800,000 baht sitting in a Thai bank or an equivalent amount in secure retirement funds for those with assured incomes (such as government pensions). (Folks married to Thais half that I understand.)

Anybody who supposes that one can live in a magnificent beauty spot away from extremes of temperature in the U.S. nearly as comfortably as in Chiang Mai either is squandering finances here, or has not lived in the United States, or has different standards of living for different nations IMHumbleO.

And please let nobody harp on the cost of imported automobiles or meats to disprove the overall point. Eat delicious Thai produce and meats - and take advantage of fuel-efficient new cars - or maintain second-hand vehicles over time - and one is ahead there as well. Condos are expensive for their size, to be sure, but that's just us foreigners puffing up the market; housing leases are run-away bargains, if one shops wisely. Moreover, while they are not good investments for apparent profit, they can provide cost-efficient lodging.

Which is why I think that all of us ex-pats are living in Chiang Mai, relatively, high off the hog, as we say in our trailer parks.

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The Thai government requires 800,000 baht sitting in a Thai bank or an equivalent amount in secure retirement funds for those with assured incomes (such as government pensions). (Folks married to Thais half that I understand.)

Anybody who supposes that one can live in a magnificent beauty spot away from extremes of temperature in the U.S. nearly as comfortably as in Chiang Mai either is squandering finances here, or has not lived in the United States, or has different standards of living for different nations IMHumbleO.

And please let nobody harp on the cost of imported automobiles or meats to disprove the overall point. Eat delicious Thai produce and meats - and take advantage of fuel-efficient new cars - or maintain second-hand vehicles over time - and one is ahead there as well. Condos are expensive for their size, to be sure, but that's just us foreigners puffing up the market; housing leases are run-away bargains, if one shops wisely. Moreover, while they are not good investments for apparent profit, they can provide cost-efficient lodging.

Which is why I think that all of us ex-pats are living in Chiang Mai, relatively, high off the hog, as we say in our trailer parks.

Bringing it down to its simplest form; most foreigner's live here because it's much cheaper (possibly warmer) than living in their own country.

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Most of the american farrangs here are missionaries, friends of the missionaries or fat. jap.gif

Nice troll, expatmakmak.

Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?coffee1.gif

For your information, nobody pissed in my cornflakes or farted in my jok!

I had a run in with some missionaries on the weekend that got me riled!

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The Thai government requires 800,000 baht sitting in a Thai bank or an equivalent amount in secure retirement funds for those with assured incomes (such as government pensions). (Folks married to Thais half that I understand.)

Anybody who supposes that one can live in a magnificent beauty spot away from extremes of temperature in the U.S. nearly as comfortably as in Chiang Mai either is squandering finances here, or has not lived in the United States, or has different standards of living for different nations IMHumbleO.

And please let nobody harp on the cost of imported automobiles or meats to disprove the overall point. Eat delicious Thai produce and meats - and take advantage of fuel-efficient new cars - or maintain second-hand vehicles over time - and one is ahead there as well. Condos are expensive for their size, to be sure, but that's just us foreigners puffing up the market; housing leases are run-away bargains, if one shops wisely. Moreover, while they are not good investments for apparent profit, they can provide cost-efficient lodging.

Which is why I think that all of us ex-pats are living in Chiang Mai, relatively, high off the hog, as we say in our trailer parks.

Bringing it down to its simplest form; most foreigner's live here because it's much cheaper (possibly warmer) than living in their own country.

I believe you are correct. I don't know about the weather as I adapt to the weather anywhere I live. I guess it's an issue for some. I know I would still be in Europe if I could be... I really miss Europe. Well I guess I still could be but...oh never mind, I've had a few, I'll leave it at that.

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I have never been to the States but it does seem to be a vast country with a great variety of scenery, wildlife, climates and people. If I came from there I can't imagine why I would want to live here. America seems to have everything; mountains, beaches, deserts, wildernesses and big cosmopolitan cities. Yet there does seem to be a lot of Americans living here. I can't understand why they would want to leave all that and come and live in a condo or mooban in Chiangmai.

It's because of our intrusive government of course! California is one of the most beautiful places in the world. The Colorado mountains, Florida beaches, and on and on are beautiful, but....the government....

Very true. I love America, love American women, love my fellow Americans. Despise my intrusive, weakening, American government. I voted with my feet.

I too think the USA has everything and if one has enough money I would definitely choose it over Thailand.

I maintain my position that most people move here because it's cheap, but I do also know some people that hate the US government with a passion. I've heard various reasons for this, but never really had it defined exactly how they spoil a person's life so much that they have to leave? I have some friends in the USA, who are happy and content, not right wing and to be honest I've never heard them complain about the government (apart from the usual which every country does) to the point of wanting to leave.

Its no one thing. Its more like death by 1000 paper cuts kind of thing. Like the walls are very slowly closing in around you. The US is slowly, but surely drifting away from the founding ideas and principles which made it so great. We are transforming from a freedom loving, small government, libertarian society to an overprotective, controlling, semi-socialist, nanny state, where nobody takes responsibility for themselves or their actions.

When I was a kid, we rode our bikes with no helmets. We could set up lemonade stands and sell to our neighbors. We could sit in the front seat of the car. Now all those sorts of things are highly regulated and policed. Perfect examples of this can be seen in this video here (assuming you are open minded enough to look past the Fox New icon):

And its not limited to one political party or president. Think of Clinton preaching that "its only fair" that everyone should be able to own a home and forcing lending institutions make risky loans they normally wouldn't. And Bush's Patriot Act was a huge affront on personal freedom. And now Obama's retarded health care mandates. Just a general decline into a overprotective, controlling, semi-socialist, nanny state over the span of my lifetime.

Unfortunately, I don't see things improving. Electing Ron Paul in the upcoming elections would go a very long way towards righting America's sinking ship. Unfortunately, the average American voting habits now are more influenced by pop media and comedians like Jon Stewart, than by what the candidates have to say in debates, campaign speeches, and policy outlines. The election of media darling, Obama, was a prime example of that.

So, to get this back on topic, one of the attractive things about Thailand is despite alot of its political short comings, the personal freedoms and liberties are still there (lese majesty rules aside, of course). If I want to walk down the road drinking a beer, I can. If my Thai children want to open a lemonade stand, they can. I can eat cheap/ affordable and semi-healthy food from a road side stand. For the most part, due to legal regulations there are no road side stands in America. If you want cheap food, then you have to go some place like McDonalds, Burger King, etc.

Anyway, I hope that sheds at least a tiny light on how the US govt is ruining the American way of life (slanted from my own vantage point, of course).

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Just for the record, I've lived in Mexico, and can assure you the people there highly resent citizens of the US declaring themselves as "Americans." They much prefer that you specify, as they consider themselves to be from America too.

...

Yes, it becomes a political and diplomatic issue south of the border of the U.S.A. In Thailand, it is NOT an issue. In any case, Mexicans and all Latin Americans might be annoyed but they STILL know what you mean.

A lot of people have no idea Thailand and Taiwan are two different countries. That still doesn't excuse their ignorance, and certainly won't lead to any useful dialogue with citizens of either country. Everything is political and diplomatic. Or, in some cases, quite undiplomatic.

a·mer·i·ca/əˈmerikə/

  • A landmass in the western hemisphere that consists of the continents of North and South America joined by the Isthmus of Panama.
  • Used as a name for the United States.

From dictionary.com

I'd be very surprised if the OED didn't also include it as a name for the USA.

Sorry, I forgot, who were you saying is ignorant?

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