Passive Smoking In Restaurants

[eyecatcher]

I overheard a conversation recently between some G.I. Joe and cockney Lil both in their 70s. He had been to this particular “corner” restaurant before and advised his “chick” that if they sit outside they can smoke (really??)

After lighting up, I heard the old soldier then say “well if someone doesn’t like the smoke they can move”

At this point, quickly assuming he was not talking about the smog…I just said “ I can’t believe you just ****ing said that you arrogant disrespectful Yank”

By contrast, at Darets another popular outside restaurant, I counted at least 7 no smoking signs, some implicating a 2,000bt fine. Respectful people here will stand on the footpath if they want a puff or indeed a smoke.

Does anyone know if there is actually a law here like the West about passive smoking/ smoking in public places ?

Ps:if you recognise yourself here-shame on you

[Fookhaht]

Another tack:

Offended patron approaching an offending smoker and reaching into his own mouth: "Would you like to chew my gum?"

Offender: "What the ____? Of course not!"

Offended: "Then why should you make me smoke your cigarette?"

Advise: pick on someone smaller, just in case it backfires.

[Wallaby]

Shame on YOU. Are you the owner of the restaurant? Lucky he didn't just get up and smack you with his walking stick.

He was having a private conversation with his woman and you were not invited to comment. I'm not a smoker but would never go to tell someone he/she can't smoke in an establishment that I don't own. If you have an issue then tell the manager, if they allow it then you are free to move on. It isn't up to you to decide how a restaurant bar should be run.

BTW, how did you come to the conclusion he was a GI Joe?

[Semper]

By contrast, at Darets another popular outside restaurant, I counted at least 7 no smoking signs, some implicating a 2,000bt fine

Yes, Darrets was a nice place years ago where you could have a cheap beer and smoke, as it was/is an outdoor restaurant. But no more

BTW. Why is the font so small?

[chiang mai]

I don't smoke but I could be pursuaded to take it up, just on the off chance that you might say the same thing to me in public as you said to the older man! You were well out of order and also very lucky, some of us moved to these parts to escape the political correctness and police state environment you seem to enjoy and advocate and this has nothing to do with smoking.

[slapout]

Most of the resturants/bars are following the guidelines of Thai smoking law when they post a smoking area and no smoking inside. The customer knew the rules, it sounds like, and for anyone other than the owner/manager to get on his case, especially in todays air quality, does not show much class.

[eyecatcher]

Shame on YOU. Are you the owner of the restaurant? Lucky he didn't just get up and smack you with his walking stick.

He was having a private conversation with his woman and you were not invited to comment. I'm not a smoker but would never go to tell someone he/she can't smoke in an establishment that I don't own. If you have an issue then tell the manager, if they allow it then you are free to move on. It isn't up to you to decide how a restaurant bar should be run.

BTW, how did you come to the conclusion he was a GI Joe?

in response:firstly when did you NOT hear an American having a private conversation...

secondly i did not comment on his smoking habit or infact his choice in women.

thirdly- yes he was smaller than me but my risk assesment said worst case was getting shot

a soldier- well seemed he wanted everyone to see his dog tag and tell stories about Vietnam..

whether he or anyone else smokes beside me , i dont care, but would be nice to ask if i minded- .

[Mestizo]

Sounds like your issue is not so much with smoking, as it is about having an anti-American axe to grind...

Hope you don't choke too hard on your big bottle of Haterade!

-Mestizo

[transam]

Sounds like your issue is not so much with smoking, as it is about having an anti-American axe to grind...

Hope you don't choke too hard on your big bottle of Haterade!

-Mestizo

+1

[transam]

Shame on YOU. Are you the owner of the restaurant? Lucky he didn't just get up and smack you with his walking stick.

He was having a private conversation with his woman and you were not invited to comment. I'm not a smoker but would never go to tell someone he/she can't smoke in an establishment that I don't own. If you have an issue then tell the manager, if they allow it then you are free to move on. It isn't up to you to decide how a restaurant bar should be run.

BTW, how did you come to the conclusion he was a GI Joe?

+1

[OneZero]

Sounds like your issue is not so much with smoking, as it is about having an anti-American axe to grind...

Hope you don't choke too hard on your big bottle of Haterade!

-Mestizo

+1

+2 Exactly what I was thinking.

[onthedarkside]

Off topic post & a reply removed.

[Tywais]

A 'wannabe moderator' post and response has been removed. Keep on topic gents.

[Semper]

Sounds like your issue is not so much with smoking, as it is about having an anti-American axe to grind...

Hope you don't choke too hard on your big bottle of Haterade!

-Mestizo

but but , maybe he have a point here?

[WinnieTheKhwai]

BTW. Why is the font so small?

Because you didn't change the size back to normal when replying.

[tolstoy]

I agree that the OP should have just ignored the A-hole who was smoking. However if I am in a public place especially a resturaunt with my daughter and someone starts smoking next to us I will ask them to move. Yes, the air quality is bad in CM so I don't need some self indulgent prat making it worse. Personally I hate when people smoke right at the entrance to a building or right in front of a window.

It has nothing to do with P.C. second hand smoke is a killer. If someone wants to put a bullet in their own head, I don't care but don't do it next to me.

[puck2]

Posted Today, 19:04

I overheard a conversation recently between some G.I. Joe and cockney Lil both in their 70s. He had been to this particular “corner” restaurant before and advised his “chick” that if they sit outside they can smoke (really??)

After lighting up, I heard the old soldier then say “well if someone doesn’t like the smoke they can move”

At this point, quickly assuming he was not talking about the smog…I just said “ I can’t believe you just ****ing said that you arrogant disrespectful Yank”

By contrast, at Darets another popular outside restaurant, I counted at least 7 no smoking signs, some implicating a 2,000bt fine. Respectful people here will stand on the footpath if they want a puff or indeed a smoke.

Does anyone know if there is actually a law here like the West about passive smoking/ smoking in public places ?

Ps:if you recognise yourself here-shame on you

sorry eyecatcher, wasn't this your comment in the CM smoke and smog thread?

Posted 2012-02-23 13:09:38

I dont get it...whinging complaining farangs again. how many thais have made negative comments on this topic? ..any?

We have a choice, we can live anywhere in the world but we chose to live here.

We know the smog comes for a month or so each year, we know driving on the roads is dangerous, we know we will be charged slightly more for everything, we know our businesses are opportunities for officials to make money....and so on

Live with it or go somewhere else.

For me it beats polluted metropolis like Bkk,London, LA etc etc

Remember these people are doing this generally to prepare for a new season of crop growing, cleaning and fertilising at the same time, they dont have machinery, chemicals and the like to farm with- at least its natural smoke pollution not factory pollution.

Just think about where you are, we are guests, visitors, tourists-if you dont like it live somewhere else.

and for me i only noticed it for 2 days, last couple days been clear again.

[Wallaby]

I agree that the OP should have just ignored the A-hole who was smoking. However if I am in a public place especially a resturaunt with my daughter and someone starts smoking next to us I will ask them to move. Yes, the air quality is bad in CM so I don't need some self indulgent prat making it worse. Personally I hate when people smoke right at the entrance to a building or right in front of a window.

It has nothing to do with P.C. second hand smoke is a killer. If someone wants to put a bullet in their own head, I don't care but don't do it next to me.

Again, it is YOU that should move if the owner allows a person to smoke. You are the one that is annoyed by the smoke and if you don't like it then just move.

If the owner allows it then the smoker is doing nothing wrong. So why the hell should he move?

[chiang mai]

Exactly, it's the job of the restaurant owner and ultimately the Police to enforce the rules, not every patron at their whim and fancy.

[chiang mai]

Posted Today, 19:04

I overheard a conversation recently between some G.I. Joe and cockney Lil both in their 70s. He had been to this particular “corner” restaurant before and advised his “chick” that if they sit outside they can smoke (really??)

After lighting up, I heard the old soldier then say “well if someone doesn’t like the smoke they can move”

At this point, quickly assuming he was not talking about the smog…I just said “ I can’t believe you just ****ing said that you arrogant disrespectful Yank”

By contrast, at Darets another popular outside restaurant, I counted at least 7 no smoking signs, some implicating a 2,000bt fine. Respectful people here will stand on the footpath if they want a puff or indeed a smoke.

Does anyone know if there is actually a law here like the West about passive smoking/ smoking in public places ?

Ps:if you recognise yourself here-shame on you

sorry eyecatcher, wasn't this your comment in the CM smoke and smog thread?

Posted 2012-02-23 13:09:38

I dont get it...whinging complaining farangs again. how many thais have made negative comments on this topic? ..any?

We have a choice, we can live anywhere in the world but we chose to live here.

We know the smog comes for a month or so each year, we know driving on the roads is dangerous, we know we will be charged slightly more for everything, we know our businesses are opportunities for officials to make money....and so on

Live with it or go somewhere else.

For me it beats polluted metropolis like Bkk,London, LA etc etc

Remember these people are doing this generally to prepare for a new season of crop growing, cleaning and fertilising at the same time, they dont have machinery, chemicals and the like to farm with- at least its natural smoke pollution not factory pollution.

Just think about where you are, we are guests, visitors, tourists-if you dont like it live somewhere else.

and for me i only noticed it for 2 days, last couple days been clear again.

Classic, this is what I think about this now, never mind what I thought about something else earlier!

[chiang mai]

I agree that the OP should have just ignored the A-hole who was smoking. However if I am in a public place especially a resturaunt with my daughter and someone starts smoking next to us I will ask them to move. Yes, the air quality is bad in CM so I don't need some self indulgent prat making it worse. Personally I hate when people smoke right at the entrance to a building or right in front of a window.

It has nothing to do with P.C. second hand smoke is a killer. If someone wants to put a bullet in their own head, I don't care but don't do it next to me.

Incorrectly prepared food is a killer, improperly constructed buildings are a killer, dangerous driving habits are a killer, polluted air is a killer and so on and so on, are you going to police everything around you that's a killer or are you going to be selective in your policing?

[CMX]

I think that we should all realize that we are dealing with a serious addiction when speaking of cigarette smoking. Smokers cannot be rational, but they must rationalize.

For example, calling a government that bans smoking 'a nanny state' is of course only selfishness speaking - the voice of the addict. Others' health is not in their thinking. Probably part of their denial will be denying facts.

It is true of course that owners of establishments are conflicted; on the one hand they want the smokers to spend money, and on the other they desire cash from non-smokers. So it is up to us to sort it out.

For example, should a smoker feel free to light up in the presence of my wife or children, I would feel an absolute obligation to stop him from inflicting potential harm to them. It's up to me to determine how to do it.

If I'm feeling macho and the situation's right, I'll take the cigarette away from her; if I've had a bad day, I'll insult or embarrass him; if I'm happy or well balanced, I'll lead the family away and tell the sad addict that I'm praying for it.

[tolstoy]

So you are saying that if I am sitting in the restaurant and someone starts smoking near me, that I am the one that should move? That is ridiculous.

Comparing smoking to other hazards in life is ridiculous also. Yes there are hazards everywhere and people doing stupid things but it is different than someone seeing children around and blowing smoke in the same area. Consideration of others should be paramount. I think that smokers tend to be the most selfish people though. They feel that they have a right to smoke anywhere and if others are offended then they should leave.

[CMX]

So you are saying that if I am sitting in the restaurant and someone starts smoking near me, that I am the one that should move? That is ridiculous. ~ tolstoy

Yes it is, but with my family along I'm modeling behavior, and inviting conflict with an addicted Alpha Hotel might not be the best way to approach the situation. Don't forget either that I told the addict that I'm praying for it. Admittedly, I'm not superstitious, but it's more likely to change the afflicted than any force or reasoning.

[mallmagician]

Smokers have the right to smoke anywhere they are allowed to under law or the rules of an establishment.

if you don't want to passive smoke, then go in all of the places that are non smoking. There are plenty to choose from.

We smokers abide by the law, and try not to bother others. But if you have a problem with it, then please raise the point politely. You will find we are still human. If you take my cigarette out of my mouth, talk down to me or suchlike, then I will do my best to ensure more smoke comes in your direction.

If I am smoking somewhere and someone comes in and sits near me when there are plenty of places away from me smoking, then dam_n right they should move if they have a problem with it. I'm not running away from non smokers constantly in case they have an issue. Raise the issue with me, and I will most likely move or point out that I was already smoking when THEY made the choice to sit near me.

As for the op. You're a Muppet.

[hhper]

And then the OP jumped on his motosigh and blew his second hand shit on everyone else. Job done

[chiang mai]

So you are saying that if I am sitting in the restaurant and someone starts smoking near me, that I am the one that should move? That is ridiculous.

Comparing smoking to other hazards in life is ridiculous also. Yes there are hazards everywhere and people doing stupid things but it is different than someone seeing children around and blowing smoke in the same area. Consideration of others should be paramount. I think that smokers tend to be the most selfish people though. They feel that they have a right to smoke anywhere and if others are offended then they should leave.

I have not suggested that you move but I have suggested two things: the first is that it's an easy win to tell a smoker, particularly an older man, that he is breaking the law and that you don't like or want it. The other everday hazards that I described provide a quicker and surer death but you decide not to tackle those issues! There was an interesting article in one of the UK papers yesterday that talked about smokers in Britain who had been provided with outside smoking areas in pubs were being ostrocised by fellow pubgoers even though their smoking was no risk to them - the article went on to talk about the her mentality that has now developed against smokers, case in point is the town in California that is now voting to ban smoking anywhere in the town, even in the privacy of an own home! That is of course ludicrous and something that all sane and normal people should rebel against but it's a natural extention of the behaviours described at the outset of this thread. I suggest that if you really feel strongly about being in a public place next to a person who lights up, there are a variety of ways to manage the situation other than the one described in the first post.(apologies is this post doesn't display properly etc but I'm having unresolved Java problems with my PC and this site)

[CMX]

We smokers abide by the law, and try not to bother others ~ mallmagician

Hmm. Pretty bold assertion. First time, I think, that I must disagree with your view, this one.

I'm coming around to the belief that Songkran should be held year-round, with squirt guns and hoses aimed at every single smoker enjoying his addiction under a roof (except her own), if Thai law says no smoking under a public roof that is otherwise out-of-doors.

Is it legal in Thailand to carry a concealed hand(squirt)gun?

Squirt, squirt

[Wallaby]

We smokers abide by the law, and try not to bother others ~ mallmagician

Hmm. Pretty bold assertion. First time, I think, that I must disagree with your view, this one.

I'm coming around to the belief that Songkran should be held year-round, with squirt guns and hoses aimed at every single smoker enjoying his addiction under a roof (except her own), if Thai law says no smoking under a public roof that is otherwise out-of-doors.

Is it legal in Thailand to carry a concealed hand(squirt)gun?

Squirt, squirt

I think you have serious issues that need to be addressed.

[Wallaby]

An example of what smokers have to put up with under the law in my city of Brisbane.

I was out playing golf last week and was reading the back of the scorecard and just happened to notice the 'small print'.

You can drink on the golf course and as such, it is deemed a licenced premises. Therefore, the golf course must be 50% smoke free. So, to act within the law, it has on the scorecard that one is only permitted to smoke in the rough.

From what I have seen, no one has taken any notice of this and just smokes wherever they want on the course. Must say I don't blame them, it is absolutely ridiculous to even consider implementing something like that. But that's the law.