BSJ Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 With 2 header pipes one may jump to the conclusion it is a twin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 With 2 header pipes one may jump to the conclusion it is a twin. Thats what I thought too but you have to remember that in the past Honda have equiped single cylinder bikes with twin downpipes by running a pipe from each of the twin exhaust valves. Sent from my GT-I9003 using Thaivisa Connect App Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Let's see. Honda produced at least a couple single cylinder 400cc bikes (CL,XR-both aircooled). They also produced two (?) twins (CM,CB400T) At least one triple (NS400R..2 stroke) They had the awesome V-4s (VFR/RVF) And of course their inline fours (CB,CBR,CBX) I would assume that IF the rumours are true the bike would most likely be a twin. If I could dream it would be the front 1/2 of the Crossrunner/VFR800 which may make the claims of ~50HP somewhat valid. I can't imagine a 400 being released by Honda now that would be a single with dual pipes; this implies a reliance on upper RPM ummph rather than the torque that they are going towards in other new bikes. My big thing is that I can't really see it weighing less than the ER-6* bikes (the old CB-1 and the current ER-6N are within a kg of each other; if you think that Honda would release it with an aluminium frame and be cheap I want some of what you are smoking), but only having 77% of the power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 another thumper..... what will Honda think of next ..... seriously, dressing up crappy commuter bikes in fancy race replica fairings is just not cricket ... This guy gets it. The market disagrees. They're selling CBRs by the bucketload. Probably because they're cheap, they're good, and they look good. I wouldn't mind if Honda made more in this direction. It's a fine little bike - there's nothing wrong with it, and there's especially nothing wrong with it for the price. The NX700 series on the other hand I hope dies a quick and painless death. A bike with a Honda Jazz engine which also weighs nearly as much as a Honda Jazz - ew. Please no. Odd that you like the CB'r' 250 but don't like the NX700... They're both overweight, underpowered, uninspiring bikes. The only saving grace for the CB'r' is that it's really cheap... What can I say, I tested the cbr twice now, one time up doi suthep where it was a lot of fun to squeeze the hell out of the little engine, and once in direct comparison to the ninja 250 and I liked it. Its "underpowered" but what do you expect from a 250... Certainly did not feel less powerful than my old d-tracker 250. Its a fine little bike, the price is killer, and it looks good. I have admittedly not tried the nx700 but I dont think i would like a bike that tops out at 6500 rpm. The idea behind this bike just sounds wrong, its based on the observation that people dont often rev above 6500 - clearly they didnt consult me there - and less HP and 30kg more compared to the Versys... what a turd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawapower Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Seriously mate if you have nothing constructive to say about a bike you clearly have a problem with then don't post, or is it your childish attempt to provoke people that actually like a bike that is cheap,looks good,comfortable and is just great to ride in and out of town!!! Be careful with your replies as you are perilously close to breaking forum rules!! it would be such a shame to see you go!! Edited May 28, 2012 by kawapower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpanda Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 The rumors that I heard where that the CBR is going to be a twin cylinder 500cc. I just heard that we might be getting a CBR 600 4 cylinder, inline or v4, I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Seriously mate if you have nothing constructive to say about a bike you clearly have a problem with then don't post, or is it your childish attempt to provoke people that actually like a bike that is cheap,looks good,comfortable and is just great to ride in and out of town!!! Be careful with your replies as you are perilously close to breaking forum rules!! it would be such a shame to see you go!! Sorry, I have a hard time taking seriously someone who thinks a CB'r' 250 beginner bike is in any way better than a Z1000 or who thinks that a Nissan March is a proper car for a bloke. If that offends you I hope you can get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawapower Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Seriously mate if you have nothing constructive to say about a bike you clearly have a problem with then don't post, or is it your childish attempt to provoke people that actually like a bike that is cheap,looks good,comfortable and is just great to ride in and out of town!!! Be careful with your replies as you are perilously close to breaking forum rules!! it would be such a shame to see you go!! Sorry, I have a hard time taking seriously someone who thinks a CB'r' 250 beginner bike is in any way better than a Z1000 or who thinks that a Nissan March is a proper car for a bloke. If that offends you I hope you can get over it. Not offended at all just feel a little bit sorry for you, in fact I do feel pity for a man(I am assuming you are a man, who finds it interesting to post within a thread about something you obviously have no interest in(could this be a sign of loneliness, if as your name suggests you like big bikes then why not start a thread about big bikes, you won't then feel the need to try your childish attempts at this so called gender thing relating to what people own, a bike is a bike it is only maybe called a beginners bike because it is cheap and has not got the power of the big bikes, it is a bike preferred by many because it is a lot easier to drive in town, it is a lot cheaper on fuel, it is not as heavy as the big bikes making it easier to handle in traffic. I am only replying because it will be interesting to see how long you will keep the gender thing going within this thread, I am sure many people are laughing but it is at your expense, and as you like to hide behind emotions here is one for your persistence. Edited May 28, 2012 by kawapower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Seriously mate if you have nothing constructive to say about a bike you clearly have a problem with then don't post, or is it your childish attempt to provoke people that actually like a bike that is cheap,looks good,comfortable and is just great to ride in and out of town!!! Be careful with your replies as you are perilously close to breaking forum rules!! it would be such a shame to see you go!! Sorry, I have a hard time taking seriously someone who thinks a CB'r' 250 beginner bike is in any way better than a Z1000 or who thinks that a Nissan March is a proper car for a bloke. If that offends you I hope you can get over it. The cbr is great for how kawa is describing round town on the twisty roads. Its what it was made for. Same as the March or any of the small cars. Excellent for what they are designed for. I think maybe your big is best American mentality is coming through In europe we have been using small economical cars for decades. Unlike other countries that I can mention. sent from my Wellcom A90+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Seriously mate if you have nothing constructive to say about a bike you clearly have a problem with then don't post, or is it your childish attempt to provoke people that actually like a bike that is cheap,looks good,comfortable and is just great to ride in and out of town!!! Be careful with your replies as you are perilously close to breaking forum rules!! it would be such a shame to see you go!! Sorry, I have a hard time taking seriously someone who thinks a CB'r' 250 beginner bike is in any way better than a Z1000 or who thinks that a Nissan March is a proper car for a bloke. If that offends you I hope you can get over it. Not offended at all just feel a little bit sorry for you, in fact I do feel pity for a man(I am assuming you are a man, who finds it interesting to post within a thread about something you obviously have no interest in, if as your name suggests you like big bikes then why not start a thread about big bikes, you won't then feel the need to try your childish attempts at this so called gender thing relating to what people own, a bike is a bike it is only maybe called a beginners bike because it is cheap and has not got the power of the big bikes, it is a bike preferred by many because it is a lot easier to drive in town, it is a lot cheaper on fuel, it is not as heavy as the big bikes making it easier to handle in traffic. I am only replying because it will be interesting to see how long you will keep the gender thing going within this thread, I am sure many people are laughing but it is at your expense, and as you like to hide behind emotions here is one for your persistence. Lolz, ya know mate, the "BigBikeBKK" thing was a self deprecating joke that I came up with some years ago when I first moved to Thailand and bought the smallest bike I've ever owned, a Kawasaki Ninja 250R. Back then (2007) it was the only domestically manufactured "big bike" in Thailand. Of course what passes for a "big bike" in Thailand is reserved pretty much exclusively for girls and noobs back home. Oh well, I'm not ashamed to say that I had a lot of fun on that little girlie bike, but sold it in a flash and with no regrets when Kawasaki came out with a proper big bike, the ER6n, in 2008. I've always found it a bit odd that ThaiVisa offers this emoticon... Have fun on your CB'r' 250! 'nuf said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawapower Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 You mean you own a bike with lots of plastic!!! each to there own in choice of vehicle!! what is a noob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 You mean you own a bike with lots of plastic!!! each to there own in choice of vehicle!! what is a noob? When I was young I preferred the look of faired bikes and after my Kawasaki GPZ550 cafe racer and owned a few faired Hondas (Hurricane and a pair of CBR600's). Since moving to Thailand it's been a mix- 2008 Ninjette- 2009 ER6n- 2010 Ninja 650R- 2010 Tiger Retro with Sidecar- 2009 ER6n "RR" Suzuki GSXR1000 K5- 2011 Versys- 20?? KLX 351 FWIW I think the Honda CB'r' 250 looks a HELL of a lot better as a "CB250": Full fairings on a low powered 250 is just silly IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpanda Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share Posted May 28, 2012 You mean you own a bike with lots of plastic!!! each to there own in choice of vehicle!! what is a noob? A noob is someone who is new to something, driving, riding, gaming etc. Everyone is a noob at one point in there life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Full fairings on a low powered 250 is just silly IMO Have to agree. Anything making less than 30 RWHP shouldn't be fully faired...especially when they fall so short of the old ZX-2R. Or perhaps any bike that people like to race on the cheap should be four cylinders. Or maybe someone who trolls threads about bikes he doesn't own and has no interest owning has bigger issues and overcompensates with bigbikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 ^ nice collection of bikes you have there, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawapower Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Full fairings on a low powered 250 is just silly IMO Have to agree. Anything making less than 30 RWHP shouldn't be fully faired...especially when they fall so short of the old ZX-2R. Or perhaps any bike that people like to race on the cheap should be four cylinders. Or maybe someone who trolls threads about bikes he doesn't own and has no interest owning has bigger issues and overcompensates with bigbikes? Liking the color of these bikes, pink is the new black!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baytur Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 With 2 header pipes one may jump to the conclusion it is a twin. I think the same magazine that released 'photos' of the 'new CBR250R' in 2010 had it with a double header.... Don't read too much into speculated photoshops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baytur Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Certainly a winner in the US 250cc Super Stock race series. But it's only competition is the inferior ninja, so no real wonder the CBR250R is such a winner on the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Certainly a winner in the US 250cc Super Stock race series. But it's only competition is the inferior ninja, so no real wonder the CBR250R is such a winner on the track. hehehoho, Strolling, HondaBest, Banned, you've made another spectacular comeback!!!! You're certainly persistent, but then I guess you need to be when it's your job PS most people are pretty tired of the Ninja vs CBR debate so it might be best to go and spam elsewhere, or are you running out of IP addresses? Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbradsby Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 For a small bike to be fully-faired is perfectly rational, as well as good marketing. Smaller-engined streetbikes [albeit, not BKK commuter bikes, where lock-to-lock seems to be the main design factor] need the lessened wind drag coefficient offered by fairings more than large-engined bikes if they are to manage speeds over about 120 kM/hr because of the logarithmic increase in wind resistance as speed increases. "For sportbikes, a slippery aerodynamic design assists both rider protection and efficiency, permitting a higher speed for a given amount of horsepower. Aerodynamics becomes more important the faster you go because the power required increases as the cube of speed--in other words, to double your speed, you need eight times as much power to overcome aerodynamic drag. You can quickly reach a point where speed is achieved more easily by improving aerodynamics rather than adding horsepower." Read more: http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0106_aero/index.html#ixzz1wE4xUcoZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbradsby Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 (edited) ... Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Would that it were to be... but the BigJapFour are 'Bottom Line' corporations, with CEOs and accountants chasing the designers around with sticks, and a high performance Inline-4 engine cost about the same to make whether the displacement is 400 or 600. A few kilos of material being the main difference. The profit margin would have to get sacrificed, as the market won't bear the cost at the smaller bike market price, and that's not likely to happen. So unfortunately, I really doubt we'll see a new era of four-cylinder 400's from them again. Much less likely would be a V-4 400, as I believe this is an even more expensive engine to produce. Edited May 29, 2012 by bbradsby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Certainly a winner in the US 250cc Super Stock race series. But it's only competition is the inferior ninja, so no real wonder the CBR250R is such a winner on the track. hehehoho, Strolling, HondaBest, Banned, you've made another spectacular comeback!!!! You're certainly persistent, but then I guess you need to be when it's your job PS most people are pretty tired of the Ninja vs CBR debate so it might be best to go and spam elsewhere, or are you running out of IP addresses? Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Do believe that if your fellow kawiphile would stop trolling Honda threads so much perhaps y'all wouldn't hear about the comparison so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Why not dress up another thumper in sport bike plastic. Seems to be a winning formula for the new CB'r' 250... Certainly a winner in the US 250cc Super Stock race series. But it's only competition is the inferior ninja, so no real wonder the CBR250R is such a winner on the track. hehehoho, Strolling, HondaBest, Banned, you've made another spectacular comeback!!!! You're certainly persistent, but then I guess you need to be when it's your job PS most people are pretty tired of the Ninja vs CBR debate so it might be best to go and spam elsewhere, or are you running out of IP addresses? Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Do believe that if your fellow kawiphile would stop trolling Honda threads so much perhaps y'all wouldn't hear about the comparison so much? Why am I trolling Dave? I'm as interested in this bike as you are - maybe more so as I'd be prepared to pay the extra for a V4 or an inline 4 if Honda were to make it. I've stated that I am not interested in a single, others don't want to pay more for a higher spec. No need to start labeling people a troll because they want a different bike from Honda than the one you or others want. If you want to label someone a troll I suggest you look at who the new user 'Baytur' is . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 ... Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Would that it were to be... but the BigJapFour are 'Bottom Line' corporations, with CEOs and accountants chasing the designers around with sticks, and a high performance Inline-4 engine cost about the same to make whether the displacement is 400 or 600. A few kilos of material being the main difference. The profit margin would have to get sacrificed, as the market won't bear the cost at the smaller bike market price, and that's not likely to happen. So unfortunately, I really doubt we'll see a new era of four-cylinder 400's from them again. Much less likely would be a V-4 400, as I believe this is an even more expensive engine to produce. Yes I understand the reasoning behind it, I just wish that a company with the massive capability and resource of Honda would focus on producing some cutting edge, exciting bikes along the lines of Ducati, Triumph, KTM etc. It seems some people on this forum get more excited about the sales figures of a bike and the profit margin of the manufacturer than the actual bike itself. A very strange phenomenon, unless you're an employee of Honda like Mr. Baytur, Master Baytur or whatever the latest incarnation of hehehoho has called himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_boo Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Certainly a winner in the US 250cc Super Stock race series. But it's only competition is the inferior ninja, so no real wonder the CBR250R is such a winner on the track. hehehoho, Strolling, HondaBest, Banned, you've made another spectacular comeback!!!! You're certainly persistent, but then I guess you need to be when it's your job PS most people are pretty tired of the Ninja vs CBR debate so it might be best to go and spam elsewhere, or are you running out of IP addresses? Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Do believe that if your fellow kawiphile would stop trolling Honda threads so much perhaps y'all wouldn't hear about the comparison so much? Why am I trolling Dave? I'm as interested in this bike as you are - maybe more so as I'd be prepared to pay the extra for a V4 or an inline 4 if Honda were to make it. I've stated that I am not interested in a single, others don't want to pay more for a higher spec. No need to start labeling people a troll because they want a different bike from Honda than the one you or others want. If you want to label someone a troll I suggest you look at who the new user 'Baytur' is . I did not say that you were trolling. Most of the time you and I have very reasonable (lively, but reasonable) discussions. Your fellow kawiphile on the other hand seems to be no better than whoever keeps getting banned; note the persistent (and core quote from your original reply which I had to cut out due to the quotes limit) trolling of threads he engages in. It would be nice to see higher spec small bikes in the kingdom. Mid 20's singles and twins at 250cc? Nothing from there up to the awesome valued 650s from Team Green (that are still only inline twins)? I belive much the same way it's impossible to get the 6,0L and larger engines in cheap cars anymore I think the curtains are essentially drawn on the V-4s and other exotica....which is too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 No worries Dave, I mis-read your last post, fair do's. There are still some awesome bikes being made (RSV4 etc) but you're right in that none of them seem to be less than 600cc now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbradsby Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 ... Back to the subject, I don't think too many people are really bashing Honda but they're just hoping that Honda releases something more adventurous than a single with their new bike (assuming it's not just a rumour). A 400cc V4 or inline 4 would immediately put a stop to the critics of Honda's latest offerings. A modern 'Baby Blade' would be absolutely awesome but unfortunately I don't think it will happen. Would that it were to be... but the BigJapFour are 'Bottom Line' corporations, with CEOs and accountants chasing the designers around with sticks, and a high performance Inline-4 engine cost about the same to make whether the displacement is 400 or 600. A few kilos of material being the main difference. The profit margin would have to get sacrificed, as the market won't bear the cost at the smaller bike market price, and that's not likely to happen. So unfortunately, I really doubt we'll see a new era of four-cylinder 400's from them again. Much less likely would be a V-4 400, as I believe this is an even more expensive engine to produce. Yes I understand the reasoning behind it, I just wish that a company with the massive capability and resource of Honda would focus on producing some cutting edge, exciting bikes along the lines of Ducati, Triumph, KTM etc. It seems some people on this forum get more excited about the sales figures of a bike and the profit margin of the manufacturer than the actual bike itself. A very strange phenomenon, unless you're an employee of Honda like Mr. Baytur, Master Baytur or whatever the latest incarnation of hehehoho has called himself. You are obviously referring to someone besides me, I'm a rider for four+ decades. But do let me apologize for bringing in economic realities into the conversation. They ARE the reason BigFour don't answer your dreams. They don't stay in business using said 'massive capabilities' and handing out their equally massive 're$ource$' to buyers via smaller margins on bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baytur Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 (edited) I've cruised at 165kph indicated which was just short of 150kph on the GPS, on the CBR250R. I found the fairings were certainly welcome while cruising at this speed for a few hours. Can others who feel the CBR250R doesn't need fairings explain the disadvantage of having them at 150kph? I read those with the Er-6n find it uncomfortable cruising at 140kph (isn't that 10% optimistic speedo?, so really only 126kph-ish?), so I cannot see how cruising at a real 150kph on a naked bike would be comfortable... especially compared to having those sexy, ultra-cool and well designed CBR250R fairings. Edited May 29, 2012 by Baytur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaicbr Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I've cruised at 165kph indicated which was just short of 150kph on the GPS, on the CBR250R.I found the fairings were certainly welcome while cruising at this speed for a few hours. Can others who feel the CBR250R doesn't need fairings explain the disadvantage of having them at 150kph? I read those with the Er-6n find it uncomfortable cruising at 140kph (isn't that 10% optimistic speedo?, so really only 126kph-ish?), so I cannot see how cruising at a real 150kph on a naked bike would be comfortable... especially compared to having those sexy, ultra-cool and well designed CBR250R fairings. Cruised or been flat out at 165kmh. You must be lightweight because most I've managed is 150 but that was upright and I'm not exactly light sent from my Wellcom A90+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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