StevieH Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. ....and Leighton Baines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think United will struggle to get a new top notch manager. After having 2 managers in less than 12 months, they must now be known as a club who doesn't give their manager time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think he was a total non starter for the job but the removal of Ferguson's back room staff was the end and frankly, after taking this absurdly stupid decision, why should anyone have sympathy for him. It was a decision that surprised and disappointed me too, but after giving it some thought, I realized that it was of those damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. Keep Fergie's back room staff and be accused of not being your own man, of being in the shadow of the predecessor, bring in your own back room staff and be accused of making too many changes. Either choice Moyes decided to make would have been fine if the results had been good, and likewise, either choice was open to ridicule if the results weren't good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. ....and Leighton Baines? possibly. think that and martinez would depend very much on where everton finish this season. united going for an old school senior madman like van gaal seems really odd to me. but then as rixalex has pointed out many times, there's more needs sorting out there than just a change of manager. they're in major overhaul territory. when even a boyhood united fan like welbeck is making noises about leaving you know all is very far from well internally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. Don't quite see the relevance of "old" in this scenario. Experience is possibly just what is needs to carry the club through this unique transitional period and i'd wager the Glasiers would be happier entrusting the transfer funds to the hands of an experienced campaigner. Look what Jupp Hynckes did for Bayern right up till his later sixties. Vincente Del Bosque managed the Spanish world cup winning side at a similar age. ferguson carried on well into his seventies. An old head might be exactly whats needed at United for a couple of seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. ....and Leighton Baines? Baines is thirty now isn't he? If so, can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. Don't quite see the relevance of "old" in this scenario. Experience is possibly just what is needs to carry the club through this unique transitional period and i'd wager the Glasiers would be happier entrusting the transfer funds to the hands of an experienced campaigner. Look what Jupp Hynckes did for Bayern right up till his later sixties. Vincente Del Bosque managed the Spanish world cup winning side at a similar age. ferguson carried on well into his seventies. An old head might be exactly whats needed at United for a couple of seasons Might bring Wilf McGuinness back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. Don't quite see the relevance of "old" in this scenario. Experience is possibly just what is needs to carry the club through this unique transitional period and i'd wager the Glasiers would be happier entrusting the transfer funds to the hands of an experienced campaigner. Look what Jupp Hynckes did for Bayern right up till his later sixties. Vincente Del Bosque managed the Spanish world cup winning side at a similar age. ferguson carried on well into his seventies. An old head might be exactly whats needed at United for a couple of seasons ferguson *was* the old head though. it was meant to be a smooth handing over of the reins to a new up and coming tactically smart, inspirational young manager. they just made a shocking choice though. from guardiola and klopp through rodgers and martinez to simeone and frank de boer, there's plenty around demonstrating savvy, leadership and new ideas too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. ....and Leighton Baines? Baines is thirty now isn't he? If so, can't see it. It was a disguised reference to the Moyes-Fellaini-LB fiasco, carmine. Sorry for the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 No CL is going to make it very tricky. I'd go for new young blood like Pochettino. Rebuild, new era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. Don't quite see the relevance of "old" in this scenario. Experience is possibly just what is needs to carry the club through this unique transitional period and i'd wager the Glasiers would be happier entrusting the transfer funds to the hands of an experienced campaigner. Look what Jupp Hynckes did for Bayern right up till his later sixties. Vincente Del Bosque managed the Spanish world cup winning side at a similar age. ferguson carried on well into his seventies. An old head might be exactly whats needed at United for a couple of seasons ferguson *was* the old head though. it was meant to be a smooth handing over of the reins to a new up and coming tactically smart, inspirational young manager. they just made a shocking choice though. from guardiola and klopp through rodgers and martinez to simeone and frank de boer, there's plenty around demonstrating savvy, leadership and new ideas too. Theres some around but how many are available. De Boers only done three seasons with Ajax in the Eridvese so doesn't possess great experience, its unlikely that Guardiola or Klopp could be enticed and i'm not sure that Simeone has all the experience for the mountain of work needed to be done throughout the club. Martinez might well be the most realistic and qualified choice in this instance. Edited April 22, 2014 by carmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 actually thinking about it hodgson might be available after the world cup. . . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 quite mental that clubs like man united and spurs are being linked with a manager as old and temperamental as louis van gaal. wouldn't surprise me that much to see united go back to everton again and try and poach martinez. ....and Leighton Baines? possibly. think that and martinez would depend very much on where everton finish this season. united going for an old school senior madman like van gaal seems really odd to me. but then as rixalex has pointed out many times, there's more needs sorting out there than just a change of manager. they're in major overhaul territory. when even a boyhood united fan like welbeck is making noises about leaving you know all is very far from well internally. Whoever they appoint will need to have experience in the transfer market both buying and selling. They will need to have an idea of what they want and be ruthless obtaining it. Moyes dithered from the start with the Fabregas saga and eventually signed Fellaini. I'm not sure they would have bought Mata in January if Moyes wasn't feeling pressured. Having bought him, he really didn't know what to do with him. Somehow, I think if they could offload Rooney and his wage bill to Chelsea (sorry mjj), they could probably see things a little clearer. Mata still looks good to me, but you can't play both him and Rooney in the same position. Wellbeck looks as if he wants to leave, but that could now change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 actually thinking about it hodgson might be available after the world cup. . . It wouldn't surprise me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooner Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think there is a chance of getting Klopp. He is not going to beat Bayern to the league for a few years and he doesn't have a huge budget to work with. If he comes to United he will have a big budget and hopefully he can get the best out of Kagawa. Might be able to bag a couple of Dortmund players too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I think there is a chance of getting Klopp. He is not going to beat Bayern to the league for a few years and he doesn't have a huge budget to work with. If he comes to United he will have a big budget and hopefully he can get the best out of Kagawa. Might be able to bag a couple of Dortmund players too! Klopp is loyal, very much part of Dortmund. Its also been rumored for a while now he'd like to manager the national team after his current job. i just don't think this ones going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't rule out the special one to be the second chosen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 The plot thickens. (Choosing Moyes as the pilot was the biggest dumb @rse move in the first place.) Anyway, onwards and sideways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't rule out the special one to be the second chosen one. He'd give 'em top 4 next season. That's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45Mustang Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't rule out the special one to be the second chosen one. Plus "the little fat git', Señor Rui Faria. Absolute fkcing magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Somehow, I think if they could offload Rooney and his wage bill to Chelsea (sorry mjj), they could probably see things a little clearer. Mata still looks good to me, but you can't play both him and Rooney in the same position. Wellbeck looks as if he wants to leave, but that could now change. Rooney is our prize asset. If he didn't play for us, he would be exactly the sort of player we would hope to bring in. He's better than Mata for sure. Unless selling him is going to generate Ronaldo like money, just no point in losing him.Sent from my i-mobile IQ XA using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Somehow, I think if they could offload Rooney and his wage bill to Chelsea (sorry mjj), they could probably see things a little clearer. Mata still looks good to me, but you can't play both him and Rooney in the same position. Wellbeck looks as if he wants to leave, but that could now change. Rooney is our prize asset. If he didn't play for us, he would be exactly the sort of player we would hope to bring in. He's better than Mata for sure. Unless selling him is going to generate Ronaldo like money, just no point in losing him.Sent from my i-mobile IQ XA using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app agree. which makes the mata signing all the more baffling. how many you think are off in the summer rix? guardian journo has this plus now welbeck: "Nemanja Vidic, the captain, has already announced he will depart in the summer and the futures of Rio Ferdinand and Patrice Evra are also in the balance. Javier Hernández, Shinji Kagawa, Darren Fletcher, Nani, Young, Cleverley, Alexander Büttner and Ryan Giggs are other members of Moyes's squad whose futures are likewise in doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiSuk Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Sky News saying that it was "an authoritative briefing from the Glazer family" yesterday afternoon that he will not be the manager next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't rule out the special one to be the second chosen one. I don't think the owners would want to good name of Man Utd dragged through to gutter by Mourinho's behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilai Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just waiting for the US Stock Market to open 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 . how many you think are off in the summer rix? guardian journo has this plus now welbeck: "Nemanja Vidic, the captain, has already announced he will depart in the summer and the futures of Rio Ferdinand and Patrice Evra are also in the balance. Javier Hernández, Shinji Kagawa, Darren Fletcher, Nani, Young, Cleverley, Alexander Büttner and Ryan Giggs are other members of Moyes's squad whose futures are likewise in doubt." Don't know mate but there's no doubt we need to make wholesale changes. From that list, would be sorry to lose Buttner, Hernandez and Welbeck. Would quite like to hold onto Young and Kagawa too. All really depends on who were are able to bring in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooloomooloo Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What's the problem with Moyes going to Spurs? One mid table club to another seems about right. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I reckon this is gonna be longest transitional period in history. A transitional period that will redefine all other transitional periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieH Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Don't rule out the special one to be the second chosen one. I don't think the owners would want to good name of Man Utd dragged through to gutter by Mourinho's behavior think this is true. moyes might be utterly out of his depth but at least he isn't poisonous vermin. think those were bobby charlton's actual words last summer as it goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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