I Now Realise That Something Is Missing In Life .......

[dingdang]

there are middle-aged women travelling for sex... just not in thailand - because the guys are very unattractive...

but in india and in egypt, morocco, tunisia there are realy many...

in these countries (cultural, somehow religious), a women cant go for prostitiution, but a man can - easily, its even considered something "clever", its in the society widely accepted, imo...

its not only middle-aged women also younger women actively seek sex at holidays with locals...

the payment is possibly more subtile, the guys get invited, they may ask for some support as motorbike broke down etc etc

Edited July 9, 2012 by dingdang

[kerryk]

No one ever seems to address the topic of women who pay for sex. I believe there are certain Carribean islands, African countries and even Egypt where middle aged single (or not) women go purely to get their rocks off. Or even if some elderly, wealthy socialite/film star etc has a kept toy boy, the response from women is usually "good luck to her, she can afford it". If a rich guy has a pretty young thing, it's "she's only with him for his money". There is a real double standard amongst women.

Just breezing over this topic really, but when i read this one, i just thought "wth are you on about?".

Have you actually ASKED women their opinion on women buying sex, seen a consensus on it? Or the general approval and double standards comment is just something you randomly made up...?

Way back when I lived in Pattaya I used to listen to women talk about it, almost always when they were drunk and the women were a bit coarse. It was odd to me. Not sex talk mostly about feet and dancing and singing and stuff like that. Do women talk about it much in Thailand?

kerry, do you mean you overhead women talking about paying for sex? These women paid?

A friend of mine owned a bar in Pattaya and some of his employees drank a bit later at night and they would talk about going to a club close by and paying for men after work. It seemed a point of some bragging rights although like I said before it was not sex talk. More like my boyfriend is handsome, a good dancer and he kisses my feet. My friend, the bar owner, didn't speak Thai and the ladies assumed neither did I.

[giddyup]

No one ever seems to address the topic of women who pay for sex. I believe there are certain Carribean islands, African countries and even Egypt where middle aged single (or not) women go purely to get their rocks off. Or even if some elderly, wealthy socialite/film star etc has a kept toy boy, the response from women is usually "good luck to her, she can afford it". If a rich guy has a pretty young thing, it's "she's only with him for his money". There is a real double standard amongst women.

Just breezing over this topic really, but when i read this one, i just thought "wth are you on about?".

Have you actually ASKED women their opinion on women buying sex, seen a consensus on it? Or the general approval and double standards comment is just something you randomly made up...?

Way back when I lived in Pattaya I used to listen to women talk about it, almost always when they were drunk and the women were a bit coarse. It was odd to me. Not sex talk mostly about feet and dancing and singing and stuff like that. Do women talk about it much in Thailand?

You are asking if women talk about paying for sex with men? Sorry, im just not quite clear what you are asking.

I know a lot of women, and the topic of paying for sex has never once been in any of our conversations. I think if it ever was to come up, most women would have a " ??? " expression. Sex (and colourful conversations regarding it) has been part of our conversations, but never talk of paying for it. If it were to, regarding women who pay men in Africa or whatever, i highly doubt there would be double standards in a train of thought. According to giddyup however, there would be, so im curious as to where he accumulated this info from.

How did I form my opinion? By talking to women and reading articles on the subject. You admit that this topic has never been part of your conversations with women, yet you doubt that there would be double standards in a train of though (whatever that means). If you have never broached the subject with women, I fail to see how you can have any opinion on the matter at all.

[aneliane]

What's a man to do ?

Move OUT

Going to Pattaya and missing real women is like going to Antarctica and missing beach sand.

Like going to a brothel and ask for romance

[GreenSnapper]

there are middle-aged women travelling for sex... just not in thailand - because the guys are very unattractive...

but in india and in egypt, morocco, tunisia there are realy many...

in these countries (cultural, somehow religious), a women cant go for prostitiution, but a man can - easily, its even considered something "clever", its in the society widely accepted, imo...

its not only middle-aged women also younger women actively seek sex at holidays with locals...

the payment is possibly more subtile, the guys get invited, they may ask for some support as motorbike broke down etc etc

Yes, very common. If you have travelled the world, you have seen it everywhere: Africa (eg. Kenya), Arabia (Egypt, Tunesia) and Turkey, the Caribics and South America. Millions of Western women buy sex, and often the money comes from the Walking ATM back home who has no clue what's going on.

But it's a big taboo in the media. The other taboo are female pedophiles.

[dingdang]

there are middle-aged women travelling for sex... just not in thailand - because the guys are very unattractive...

but in india and in egypt, morocco, tunisia there are realy many...

in these countries (cultural, somehow religious), a women cant go for prostitiution, but a man can - easily, its even considered something "clever", its in the society widely accepted, imo...

its not only middle-aged women also younger women actively seek sex at holidays with locals...

the payment is possibly more subtile, the guys get invited, they may ask for some support as motorbike broke down etc etc

Yes, very common. If you have travelled the world, you have seen it everywhere: Africa (eg. Kenya), Arabia (Egypt, Tunesia) and Turkey, the Caribics and South America. Millions of Western women buy sex, and often the money comes from the Walking ATM back home who has no clue what's going on.

But it's a big taboo in the media. The other taboo are female pedophiles.

female pedophiles exist, but its very rare... if it happens, then the outrage is big and its always in the media...

im not so sure, about the "ATM at home"... i think its single women, divorced - mostly...

i also dont think there is a taboo in the media, its just so, that the whole thing works differently from the male way to seek prostitutes... women might unlikely go to bars and get drunk, get laid, walk off...

its more, that they seek a "company" - and so are the guys who work in that business: they ask if one seeks company, if they might show you around, translate etc etc and - they are extremely skilled sweet-talkers...

i rather thought, women want to get a bit pampered - emotionally - in addition to sex...

the guys apparently do a good job, and the women seem very happy - and very self-confident...

what should be bad about it?

Edited July 9, 2012 by dingdang

[kerryk]

What's a man to do ?

Move OUT

Going to Pattaya and missing real women is like going to Antarctica and missing beach sand.

Like going to a brothel and ask for romance

It is called the girl friend experience and it is what gave Thailand market dominance in the field years ago. Of course as with most things they didn't realize it and are loosing their position in the market.

[meom]

there are middle-aged women travelling for sex... just not in thailand - because the guys are very unattractive...

AFAIK in Thailand it's some of the local women that pay for sex.

There's quitte a few places in Bangkok that cater to women only and where they can socialise with nicely dressed young thai guys.

It's not as visible as the industry that caters to men.

[pattayadingo]

I certainly don't have to justify my self to anyone on this forum why i live in Thailand. I can assure you i wouldn't live in pattaya with you whore mongers.

love in pattaya You have the hide to call me a new comer...

yet again you are showing your true colours with this statement of whore mongers.

There are many people in Pattaya that do not fit your description. But you know all about whore mongers, obviously. So I bow down to your whore mongering experience.

Edited July 9, 2012 by pattayadingo

[dingdang]

there might be indeed a sort of taboo on talking about the female sex travellers... but this is NOT because of the females...

what happens in that countries is clearly "male prostitution" - nothing else... and its practised openly...

but if you would call the males there a prostitute, i think hell would break loose...

if there is a taboo, then its the male reporting, hesitating to call their fellow pals what they are...

Edited July 9, 2012 by dingdang

[pattayadingo]

It seems to me this topic is going way off tack. We are now into females selling themselves for sex ?

[JSixpack]

yet again you are showing your true colours with this statement of whore mongers.

There are many people in Pattaya that do not fit your description.

Very true. In Pattaya one definitely has a choice whether to be a whoremonger or not.

[eek]

How did I form my opinion? By talking to women and reading articles on the subject. You admit that this topic has never been part of your conversations with women, yet you doubt that there would be double standards in a train of though (whatever that means). If you have never broached the subject with women, I fail to see how you can have any opinion on the matter at all.

I suppose i thought that being a woman and having had female friends from all walks of life, all ages, and all financial backgrounds, where we have had some pretty open and indepth discussion across a wide range of subjects.. if buying sex was something that crossed our/their minds, it would have likely come up in conversation.

That and the fact that its rarely in media, has me drawing a conclusion that quite possibly its just not much of a factor.

Im wrong?

Youve asked a lot of women, and apparently they are ok about women buying sex, but the same women are then highly disparaging about men doing it..?

Being a woman, and having had lots of female company, i tend to think im a fairly good judge of my friends and how they react in general about subjects. I highly doubt they would be applauding women buying sex, and at the same turn i dont see them standing on soap boxes preaching about immorality about paying for sex here. I guess in general we dont hang out with the bargirl bar-stool brigade, maybe our conversations would center around the sex industry then...? I dunno, its really not a part of my world. If i was single and wanted to get laid, i wouldnt need to pay for it. Maybe ask me in 20 years from now...but even then id like to think id keep myself in good enough shape that a guy would still be interested in me without the transaction of cash being involved, even if only for a quick lay.

But this topic is all over the shop, same as my reply.

I just find it hard to believe that a woman would put down guys paying for sex but be perfectly ok with women paying for it. I find it hard to believe there is a general double-standard in this respect.

Edited July 9, 2012 by eek

[Berkshire]

What's a man to do ?

Move OUT

Going to Pattaya and missing real women is like going to Antarctica and missing beach sand.

Like going to a brothel and ask for romance

It is called the girl friend experience and it is what gave Thailand market dominance in the field years ago. Of course as with most things they didn't realize it and are loosing their position in the market.

That's a good thing, I'd say. Maybe Myanmar or Cambodia can take over.

[farang000999]

i have been in thailand for 8 years and have never seen an old western lady walking around intimately holding hands with a young thai man.

however i do read on thai visa in many topics that it is very common.

[kerryk]

i have been in thailand for 8 years and have never seen an old western lady walking around intimately holding hands with a young thai man.

however i do read on thai visa in many topics that it is very common.

Wow. I have never seen it on Thai Visa topics. Not about Thai men. What threads?

[giddyup]

i have been in thailand for 8 years and have never seen an old western lady walking around intimately holding hands with a young thai man.

however i do read on thai visa in many topics that it is very common.

Wow. I have never seen it on Thai Visa topics. Not about Thai men. What threads?

I've never seen it in Thailand, but I have in Bali. Quite a few middleaged women hand in hand with very young (no, I don't know how old) Balinese guys.

[edwinclapham]

Shame to have this thread way off track....

Posted 2012-07-02 17:38:10

"Having been in Pattaya for well over a year I realise something is missing in my life. Women. Not any old women, not women working in the bars and similar places, but good, normal women who want a relationship for the sake of a relationship and all that it brings. A woman who kisses you because she wants to. One who holds your hand because she wants to. Not one whose main interest is money first.

Before some of you shout that there are good women in Pattaya, I know there are. But they are very hard to find.

What, more than anything, that has made me understand what I am missing are the nurses in the 2 hospitals and the clinic I have been visiting recently. They are so friendly and nice. Chatting to them makes me hanker for the days back in the small towns and villages. I'm jealous of you guys and gals who have this sort of life.

The nurses who I have been talking to understand the scene here and find it hard to believe there are men who do not go to the ago-go bars every night or have lady bar on their arm. I have given up trying to convince them otherwise.

Flicking through some dating sites and talking to some ladies there, they are not happy when they find out where I am currently living. They have preconceived notions of us who live here. Now i hide that fact in my profiles.

Don't get me wrong, Pattaya is a great place to be in many respects. Good food, the islands, the music, plenty of people talking and understanding English. Most of all are the friends I have made since I have been here. I've had some wonderful nights out and some great laughs, but I do miss a genuine woman on my arm.

So, what is a man to do?

I've been looking at Khon Kaen, Udon Thani and a few other places and they seem like good places to me. Bangkok is not my scene. Chiang Mai is out because of the smoke and smog times.

What do you think?

Are there good places to go in Pattaya where the Thai women want a man first and not an ATM first?"

Pattayadingo, have you reached any conclusion yet? What are the chances of you venturing up north?

[CurryAfficionado]

Are there good places to go in Pattaya where the Thai women want a man first and not an ATM first?"

Not many!

Avoid:

a. Pattaya

b. Phuket

c. Chiang Mai

Avoid all places where the locals have been exposed (or over exposed) to walking ATMs.

Never take on a Thai as a girlfriend if she doesn't have:

a. a proper job and a decent salary (over 20,000 Baht per month)

b. a nice house

c. a good car

Anything less than this and you're an ATM.

[giddyup]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Edited July 9, 2012 by giddyup

[edwinclapham]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

Edited July 9, 2012 by edwinclapham

[transam]

Are there good places to go in Pattaya where the Thai women want a man first and not an ATM first?"

Not many!

Avoid:

a. Pattaya

b. Phuket

c. Chiang Mai

Avoid all places where the locals have been exposed (or over exposed) to walking ATMs.

Never take on a Thai as a girlfriend if she doesn't have:

a. a proper job and a decent salary (over 20,000 Baht per month)

b. a nice house

c. a good car

Anything less than this and you're an ATM.

A newbie with credentials eh. Dee ma.

[giddyup]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

You tell me.

[edwinclapham]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

You tell me.

I think if I had a sniff that I was considered a walking ATM or that there werent genuine feelings on the part of my wife, I would not only have sensed it but certainly would not have hung around. Quite honestly I think this represents many relationships with Thai partners.

[transam]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

You tell me.

Welllll, I am one with a 23 year old daughter.

[CurryAfficionado]

Are there good places to go in Pattaya where the Thai women want a man first and not an ATM first?"

Not many!

Avoid:

a. Pattaya

b. Phuket

c. Chiang Mai

Avoid all places where the locals have been exposed (or over exposed) to walking ATMs.

Never take on a Thai as a girlfriend if she doesn't have:

a. a proper job and a decent salary (over 20,000 Baht per month)

b. a nice house

c. a good car

Anything less than this and you're an ATM.

A newbie with credentials eh. Dee ma.

Shouldn't that be "dee mahk"? Or "gaeng mahk"?

Learning to speak Thai is one of the keys to it all. But learning Thai is not easy! My Thai is still only about 50%.

The other important thing is to live here and experience things. IMO, it takes many years to learn about what's really going on here.

[giddyup]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

You tell me.

Welllll, I am one with a 23 year old daughter.

You are one what?

[CurryAfficionado]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

I'm speechless.

[edwinclapham]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

You tell me.

Welllll, I am one with a 23 year old daughter.

Another happy customer and you wont be in the minority either

[edwinclapham]

I don't see anywhere you mention how old you are or whether you are working or retired. This may have some bearing on your quest for love and happiness. I don't want to generalise too much, but I would think a lot of available Thai women put some kind of financial security above all else. Obviously if the Thai woman has a good, well paid career, the security angle may not be quite as important. Personally, I think with security (for Thai women) comes love. I get the impresssion you are looking for someone who wants you for yourself. That may be a big ask in Thailand. The "moonlight and canoes" scenario is more of a Western thing.

Yet thousands of Thais have married /or in relationships with westerners for genuine love, are they not?

I'm speechless.

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