The New Rangers Thread

[tw25rw]

If they're ever going to do it, now is the time while starting at the bottom is actually a step up..

I'm sure not many people want a hoard of Glaswegians fans visiting, but it makes sense in every other way.

[tw25rw]

I don't know the full in's and out's of the history but if Rangers were prepared to join the English League in Div 2, couldn't they do that? If Cardiff and Swansea are allowed to play in our league, surely Scottish teams can?

Good question, maybe we should have a british premier league

Absolutely not.. Good only for the likes of rangers, but for the rest of football, imo, not.

they are scottish and proud of it, let them stay there.

Rangers fans seem to make a big thing about being British, though that maybe as a counter to Celtic and their Irish links.

[Chicog]

Rangers fans are loyalists. So are many Britons. What's wrong with that?

I'd rather play them than the Fenians.

[rijit]

If they're ever going to do it, now is the time while starting at the bottom is actually a step up..

I'm sure not many people want a hoard of Glaswegians fans visiting, but it makes sense in every other way.

How does it make sense 'in every other way?'

[tw25rw]

If they're ever going to do it, now is the time while starting at the bottom is actually a step up..

I'm sure not many people want a hoard of Glaswegians fans visiting, but it makes sense in every other way.

How does it make sense 'in every other way?'

Well, financially at least. It would mean having a new active fanbase the size of Liverpool or Man Utd in the league. They can never fulfill their potential in that league.

[rijit]

If they're ever going to do it, now is the time while starting at the bottom is actually a step up..

I'm sure not many people want a hoard of Glaswegians fans visiting, but it makes sense in every other way.

How does it make sense 'in every other way?'

Well, financially at least. It would mean having a new active fanbase the size of Liverpool or Man Utd in the league. They can never fulfill their potential in that league.

and what effect would it have on the already struggling scottish footie. another piece of arrogance by Rangers this ' fuc u attitude we do what we want' got them in the shit in the first place The fan base, mate, Mainly active at home where the away clubs dont really benefit, The visit of them for One game a season for clubs in the lower lg's where most have a v limited away fan allocation, sure they would benefit short term, take that weight it up against the travel ect, loss of a promotion place,not so sure clubs would really want them again 4 me the only real one to benefit would be rangers,

Edited January 10, 2013 by rijit

[tw25rw]

They would still be afilliated with the SFA so would be contributing to Scottish football. They would also take loads of away fans if they weren't playing in some fishing village. Even if they were in League 2, they would still get to visit London, Manchester etc and would take a big group down for the weekend. I don't think the other Scottish clubs woul miss the old firm teams that much.

One arrangement I thought of, but which might not be possible, would be to have a foot in both camps. A team playing in the English league system, and a feeder team playing in Scotland. The Scotland based team would be expected to develop and base their team on Scottish players. One or the other would not be allowed to qualify for Europe.Celtic could do the same.

[rijit]

They would still be afilliated with the SFA so would be contributing to Scottish football. They would also take loads of away fans if they weren't playing in some fishing village. Even if they were in League 2, they would still get to visit London, Manchester etc and would take a big group down for the weekend. I don't think the other Scottish clubs woul miss the old firm teams that much.

One arrangement I thought of, but which might not be possible, would be to have a foot in both camps. A team playing in the English league system, and a feeder team playing in Scotland. The Scotland based team would be expected to develop and base their team on Scottish players. One or the other would not be allowed to qualify for Europe.Celtic could do the same.

Really !!! , so re structure ENGLISH football ownership to suit a couple of arrogant greedy teams that think they'e 2 big for their own national leagues, justifiable? something tells me not, sounds like you're v v slightly clutching at straws their mate, and dont forget those 'fishing villages' , probably make 3/4's of English lower league teams and most have relatively small stadiums , nah mate, let them stay in Scotland, where they belong, get their own league funded and sorted properly

Edited January 11, 2013 by rijit

[tw25rw]

Really !!! , so re structure ENGLISH football ownership to suit a couple of arrogant greedy teams that think they'e 2 big for their own national leagues, justifiable? something tells me not, sounds like you're v v slightly clutching at straws their mate, and dont forget those 'fishing villages' , probably make 3/4's of English lower league teams and most have relatively small stadiums , nah mate, let them stay in Scotland, where they belong, get their own league funded and sorted properly

Wouldn't need a great restructure. It would mean a 94 team league instead of 92.

Arrogant greedy teams that happen to be 2 of Britain's or even the world's biggest clubs. They are too big for the Scottish league and have been for a long time. Most of the clubs they are playing against this season are sub conference in scale.

[rijit]

Really !!! , so re structure ENGLISH football ownership to suit a couple of arrogant greedy teams that think they'e 2 big for their own national leagues, justifiable? something tells me not, sounds like you're v v slightly clutching at straws their mate, and dont forget those 'fishing villages' , probably make 3/4's of English lower league teams and most have relatively small stadiums , nah mate, let them stay in Scotland, where they belong, get their own league funded and sorted properly

Most of the clubs they are playing against this season are sub conference in scale.

Thats where rangers should be putting their efforts and cash, getting their own league sorted rather than dribble in envy at the rich neighbours.

[tw25rw]

It isn't the job of one club to improve the league. Though I do think they should focus more on developing local talent. No point trying to sort out the aforementioned fishing villages. Those clubs are as big as they're ever going to get.

As I see it, the only reason to prevent the 2 Glasgow teams competing in England is that they are Scottish. It's not something you can argue with. But I don't think it matters.

I suspect their fans wouldn't mind some improved competition as long as they got to play each other.

[rijit]

No Mate it can be argued and what you suspect IMo is wrong and your right its a collective effort whether they like it or not rangers and celtic are part of that collective, and quite frankly, imo. your ethos epitomise's all that's wrong and gone wrong with football, all based on greed and a total lack of concern for the parts that make up the big picture. Goodbye bonny scotland

[Chicog]

What you forget is English football doesn't want Scottish teams in its leagues.

Not least because of the implications on the International Board and our individual places in FIFA.

Take Rangers and Celtic out of Scotland and it becomes a conference. Most teams would collapse in weeks (and many of them are against the wall now thanks to what they did to Rangers).

[smokie36]

Breaking news:: Rangers football clubs pies found to contain horse shit.

A spokesman for the club said " we have had such an abundance of it around since new owner Charles Green took over that it made financial sense to recycle it in this way as all of the mince was currently being used on the park'

[Jockstar]

Rangers news

We've moved on, says Rangers' Green

Rangers chief executive Charles Green says the club have "moved on", 12 months after the start of the chain of events that has ended with them playing in Scottish Division Three.

Charles Green praised Rangers fans and the club's manager Ally McCoist

This time last season, the Glasgow club went into administration. They were subsequently liquidated before a consortium led by Green bought the assets and business to found the newco Rangers.

But Rangers now sit at the top of Division Three as they begin what they hope will be an ascent back to the SPL and an eventual return to European football.

They have also raised more than £22 million from a December stock exchange listing - a windfall Green believes will help smooth their path back to the game's higher echelons.

"As a club, we are not just ready to move on - we have moved on," he told the official Rangers website. "The successful flotation of the club... was the biggest single step on the road to recovery.

"The fact that our business could attract in excess of £22 million of investment in a challenging economic climate was heart-warming testament to the belief of investors, from City institutions to individual fans.

"All along, we have known that the rebuilding of the club on the pitch will take time, and we are prepared for that."

He praised both the fans and manager Ally McCoist for the progress made on the pitch this season, adding: "Ally McCoist deserves everyone's full support as he and his team continue to make the Rangers team strong again.

"Finally, the most outstanding feature of the last year has been Rangers fans themselves. Nothing could have prepared me for what I have seen at Ibrox and around the world.

"The attitude of Rangers supporters in the last 12 months to the club they love has been the true essence of loyalty, and humbling to witness."

He said every Rangers fan "stands tall today and can look forward", adding: "We are on the way back.''

Manager McCoist told Sky Sports "the lads have done very well in the league" and added: "It would be a thoroughly deserved title. It's not there yet, but obviously that is the target. It would be the first rung on the ladder."

Former Rangers owner Craig Whyte has again denied any wrongdoing during his time at Ibrox.

Administrators Duff and Phelps were appointed after HMRC lodged a petition over the non-payment of PAYE and VAT following Whyte's 2011 takeover.

But he told Sky Sport News: "I welcome any fair investigation into anything to do with the takeover, the insolvency, whatever.

"I would welcome that and be happy to co-operate with any of it, and anybody will see there is no wrongdoing whatsoever.''

Information from the Press Association was used in this report

[mrbojangles]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

[smokie36]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Trip to Gayfield Park for the Gers next season!

Will be pencilling that one in for sure.

[Jockstar]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Not yet. I really hope they don't try and rush this through.

[Chicog]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Not yet. I really hope they don't try and rush this through.

AFAIK Rangers need two promotions to get back to the top flight. Will that change?

[Jockstar]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Not yet. I really hope they don't try and rush this through.

AFAIK Rangers need two promotions to get back to the top flight. Will that change?

3 as it stands. D3-2 then D2 to 1 then D1 to P.

[mrbojangles]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Not yet. I really hope they don't try and rush this through.

AFAIK Rangers need two promotions to get back to the top flight. Will that change?

This is the story I was eluding to http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20963963

Basically, if this happens then the promotion that Rangers get this year (if that's not too presumptuous) would be totally useless as they would still be in the bottom division.

[smokie36]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Not yet. I really hope they don't try and rush this through.

AFAIK Rangers need two promotions to get back to the top flight. Will that change?

This is the story I was eluding to http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/20963963

Basically, if this happens then the promotion that Rangers get this year (if that's not too presumptuous) would be totally useless as they would still be in the bottom division.

This restructuring is a longer term plan. Personally I would like to see two divisions of twenty teams....but it seems that's not going to happen.

[mrbojangles]

No matter how you slice and dice it smokes, it will still be full of dross

[smokie36]

No matter how you slice and dice it smokes, it will still be full of dross

Whole point is to get more of that "dross" and I mean youngsters playing for the smaller clubs, a chance to play better opposition a few times a season.

Desperately needed in our game.

[Chicog]

It seems to have gone quiet on the Scottish divisions restructuring. has this gone through yet and if so, what are Rangers going to do?

Not yet. I really hope they don't try and rush this through.

AFAIK Rangers need two promotions to get back to the top flight. Will that change?

3 as it stands. D3-2 then D2 to 1 then D1 to P.

So if they restructure like this and Rangers stay in the 3rd tier, they are two promotions from the SPL - which is essentially where they will be next season anyway.

Where does Green think they can play football other than Scotland?

[Jockstar]

Rangers urged to seek 'selfish' exit
Mark Walters has urged his ex-side Rangers to be "selfish" and seek an exit from Scottish football.
Rangers: Currently plying their trade in the third division



The former winger is aware such a move would be a blow for the game north of the border but believes his old club should look after themselves.


Rangers currently play in the Third Division after liquidation was confirmed in the summer and they lost their status as a top-flight club.


The idea of quitting Scotland has already been mooted by Ibrox chief executive Charles Green, who is unhappy with league reconstruction plans.


Walters told Rangers' website: "Maybe Rangers should be a bit selfish, try to go into the English leagues and build up that way.


"With what has happened, it's an avenue they should look at. That would definitely be a more commercially viable route and, down in England, it seems as though Rangers were a bit harshly treated in some respects.


"I don't think it would be a bad thing if they tried to get in, although I understand the problems there would be in Scotland if Rangers left the game there."


The door appears to be closed on a move to the Premier League, although the Conference recently appeared to be more open to the idea of Rangers joining their ranks.


Walters added: "That would be the fairest way to do it and although it would maybe take five years to get up to the Premier League, it would be a good long-term plan.


"Without a doubt, I think people would accept Rangers there. Without being harsh, money talks and Rangers have so much potential.


"I don't think it (starting at Conference level) would be a backwards step. Rangers should always be looking at the bigger picture."

[mrbojangles]

My head tells me that Scottish teams should stay in Scotland (and so should the Welsh IMO but hey, ho). However, my heart would actually welcome them in England, as long as they did it the fair way and started at the bottom. They were maybe fairly but harshly treated and this restructure would be the final nail IMO.

[Jockstar]

Scottish football is dying a slow death while some of these idiots are in charge of our game.No one will argue that a shake up is badly needed. However instead of taking time and discussing it and most importantly asking the fans. The SFA are trying to steam roller this through. Personally i think that that Rangers and Celtic have to stay in Scottish football or Scottish football will die. This is my opinion. But to make the Scottish game strong again. Its going to take time and people with a vision and not those just out to make money. I'm a Rangers fan many of my friends are Celtic fans. Many other friends support the rest. But to make it more competitive and enjoyable for the fans is to make it more than a 2 horse race or as it is this season. A one horse race. It can't continue as it is!!

[Jockstar]

My head tells me that Scottish teams should stay in Scotland (and so should the Welsh IMO but hey, ho). However, my heart would actually welcome them in England, as long as they did it the fair way and started at the bottom. They were maybe fairly but harshly treated and this restructure would be the final nail IMO.

IF it happened and i say IF Then the Scottish national team would be next. Blater and his cronies would love that. It would no longer be England Scotland etce. Its would be a GB or Uk team.

[Jockstar]

While i can see why he would want to go this route, And as much as the SFA can go <deleted> themselves. I would prefer we stay in Scotland and look to improve our own leagues. The 12 , 12 , 18 is all wrong and should be scrapped as a plan. Instead of trying to rush this through for next season. All clubs and fans representatives should sit down and nut out a better solution.

Gers seek legal advice over England move


Rangers chief executive Charles Green has claimed that denying the Scottish club the chance to play in England is a breach of European law.




Charles Green: Frustrated by the plans to reform the Scottish leagues



Gers currently ply their trade in the Scottish Third Division as a result of their financial woes that led to liquidation.


The club are on course for promotion to the Second Division as they lead the table by 20 points, although plans to reform the league structure in Scotland would mean they remain in the country's bottom tier.


There are proposals to make two leagues of 12 teams and a third of 18 below them, replacing the existing four-tier system.


Green has grown disillusioned by what he deems unfair treatment of Rangers, and is looking at a way out of Scotland for the side - including the possibility of a move south of the border.


"I would be delighted to be the chief executive of Rangers that took them into the English league," Green told talkSPORT. "We are going to pursue it. We've sought legal advice.


"I've had enough indications that Scottish football don't like us and don't want Rangers, so I look at other options.


"I have taken legal counsel, because let's be clear: it is a breach of European competition law to deny Scottish clubs, not just Rangers, the right to play in England.


"That is against European law. I don't believe that the authorities would stand back and try to ignore that position.


"You just try and explain to me why a Welsh club can play in the English league but a Scottish club can't."