Red Bull Heir Pays Bt3M To Victim's Family

[Soutpeel]

lol

3 million baht. What a joke. Me in my fantasy dreams actually thought the amount to pay of the victim's family would be a lot higher.

You can get thrown in the jug for posting something on the internet about someone, I read that the penalty for being an illegal tour guide is some obscene amount... but if you are loaded, or from a loaded family, you can kill a person with your car and basically be penalized pocket money. Pocket money does not hurt! Pathetic.

What you don't get here, is that is not money ordered paid by anyone. This money paid by the Red Bull family of their own free will! For a family that rich, ofcourse you can always discuss the amount?? But this has got nothing whatsoever to do with the upcoming courtcase. As for the internet-thing, I agree with you 100%.

The normal compensation around here is 50,000 baht for the loss of a life. 3 million is well above that and they didn't need to pay nearly that much. The dead man's family didn't have to accept it, but of course, they did. Those who think this is an insult can't understand how these things work in this country.

Did the Taxi driver who ran over and killed the farang lady about two days after this incident pay over THB 3.0 million ?

We seem to have a lot of TV's finest who believe payouts or fines should be based on ones net worth or income, ok thats fine

So may I humbly propose to the Thai goverment that the same logic be applied to all fines and payouts and a dual pricing system be introduced wherein Farangs because they are wealthy pay double what a Thai would pay for a legimate traffic violation, as it appears that large numbers of TV finest believe this is a fair and just way to do things

Edited September 26, 2012 by Soutpeel

[vijer]

Wow you would have thought the family would have asked for 10-20 million baht, that Ferrari has to cost at least 10 million. I guess the BiB's family didn't like the deceased too much. Or Red Bull's lawyer strong armed the family -- "Listen you could take my client to court and try to get a big settlement but it might take years and we could probably bribe the court to throw the case out. You could get nothing. You should take this miniscule, er ah, I mean generous offer of 3 million baht."

[jimbeam1]

So that's a wrap then. Party time?

jb1

[jimbeam1]

Wow you would have thought the family would have asked for 10-20 million baht, that Ferrari has to cost at least 10 million. I guess the BiB's family didn't like the deceased too much. Or Red Bull's lawyer strong armed the family -- "Listen you could take my client to court and try to get a big settlement but it might take years and we could probably bribe the court to throw the case out. You could get nothing. You should take this miniscule, er ah, I mean generous offer of 3 million baht."

Not that it matters to much but the price of a Ferrari hear, around 30million Bt Depending on model of course.

jb1

Edited September 26, 2012 by jimbeam1

[vijer]

lol

3 million baht. What a joke. Me in my fantasy dreams actually thought the amount to pay of the victim's family would be a lot higher.

You can get thrown in the jug for posting something on the internet about someone, I read that the penalty for being an illegal tour guide is some obscene amount... but if you are loaded, or from a loaded family, you can kill a person with your car and basically be penalized pocket money. Pocket money does not hurt! Pathetic.

What you don't get here, is that is not money ordered paid by anyone. This money paid by the Red Bull family of their own free will! For a family that rich, ofcourse you can always discuss the amount?? But this has got nothing whatsoever to do with the upcoming courtcase. As for the internet-thing, I agree with you 100%.

The normal compensation around here is 50,000 baht for the loss of a life. 3 million is well above that and they didn't need to pay nearly that much. The dead man's family didn't have to accept it, but of course, they did. Those who think this is an insult can't understand how these things work in this country.

Did the Taxi driver who ran over and killed the farang lady about two days after this incident pay over THB 3.0 million ?

We seem to have a lot of TV's finest who believe payouts or fines should be based on ones net worth or income, ok thats fine

So may I humbly propose to the Thai goverment that the same logic be applied to all fines and payouts and a dual pricing system be introduced wherein Farangs because they are wealthy pay double what a Thai would pay for a legimate traffic violation, as it appears that large numbers of TV finest believe this is a fair and just way to do things

I think farangs already do pay more, for everything, because they are farang, not because they are rich. Most farangs I would guess are not that well off, maybe better than some Thais but I don't see many farangs driving Mercedes, BMWs, Porches, etc. I get buy but I also work two jobs.

What most here object to is the idea that from the start Red Bull tried to scam everyone with a patsy. They should pay. But hey when they run you over and kill you we will let them know you think 50,000 is acceptable.

[nurofiend]

i reckon we might be pleasantly surprised and still see him serve some jail time.

555 wake up nuro you're typing in your sleep bud

haha no, i just have a 'feeling' about this one.

optimistic? definitely.

foolish? probably.

[noob7]

lol

3 million baht. What a joke. Me in my fantasy dreams actually thought the amount to pay of the victim's family would be a lot higher.

You can get thrown in the jug for posting something on the internet about someone, I read that the penalty for being an illegal tour guide is some obscene amount... but if you are loaded, or from a loaded family, you can kill a person with your car and basically be penalized pocket money. Pocket money does not hurt! Pathetic.

What you don't get here, is that is not money ordered paid by anyone. This money paid by the Red Bull family of their own free will! For a family that rich, ofcourse you can always discuss the amount?? But this has got nothing whatsoever to do with the upcoming courtcase. As for the internet-thing, I agree with you 100%.

The normal compensation around here is 50,000 baht for the loss of a life. 3 million is well above that and they didn't need to pay nearly that much. The dead man's family didn't have to accept it, but of course, they did. Those who think this is an insult can't understand how these things work in this country.

So may I humbly propose to the Thai goverment that the same logic be applied to all fines and payouts and a dual pricing system be introduced wherein Farangs because they are wealthy pay double what a Thai would pay for a legimate traffic violation, as it appears that large numbers of TV finest believe this is a fair and just way to do things

Isn't that dual pricing system already installed, in the compensation department?

[Soutpeel]

I think farangs already do pay more, for everything, because they are farang, not because they are rich. Most farangs I would guess are not that well off, maybe better than some Thais but I don't see many farangs driving Mercedes, BMWs, Porches, etc. I get buy but I also work two jobs.

What most here object to is the idea that from the start Red Bull tried to scam everyone with a patsy. They should pay. But hey when they run you over and kill you we will let them know you think 50,000 is acceptable.

No they dont, not for legimate fines, a for a legimate fine at the police station is the same as a Thai, you are thinking about bribes you are paying Mr Plod...not the same thing.

What they tried to do after the fact is somewhat irrelvant as the whether they tried to scam somebody or not... the policeman is still dead, the payout to the family is for this fact nothing else, payouts in Thailand in cases such as this are common and the norm whether someone tried to pervert the course of justice or not

I have yet to hear the hang em high brigade braying for the castration of the Taxi driver who ran over the farang lady and in fact what I did read from some of TV finest was that the woman was fault.

[Soutpeel]

Isn't that dual pricing system already installed, in the compensation department?

Yes for bungs but this is not what I am talking about

[tony5150]

So many arm chair quarter backs and mouth pieces on this thread. This is the way Thai's handle THEIR business. If you don't like it why not boycott Red Bull? Write letters telling them your feelings or better yet get off your asses and protest/picket outside the perps home or the Red Bull office. Ahh yes that's right you'd rather piss and moan from the comfort of your chairs. Here's the address (The Red Bull Beverage Co., Ltd., 288, Eakachai Rd., Bang Bon, Bang Bon, Bangkok 10150 Thailand.)

[soi41]

So many arm chair quarter backs and mouth pieces on this thread. This is the way Thai's handle THEIR business. If you don't like it why not boycott Red Bull? Write letters telling them your feelings or better yet get off your asses and protest/picket outside the perps home or the Red Bull office. Ahh yes that's right you'd rather piss and moan from the comfort of your chairs. Here's the address (The Red Bull Beverage Co., Ltd., 288, Eakachai Rd., Bang Bon, Bang Bon, Bangkok 10150 Thailand.)

Can I get the direction from 7-eleven please ?

[jackr]

having a dig at Formula 1 every time Red Bull appears.

I tend to anyway, with their chauffeur drivers, especially the little tit with the finger.

[h5kaf]

i reckon we might be pleasantly surprised and still see him serve some jail time.

You have got to be joking!! A decent contribution to the police benevolent fund and a renovated court retiring room should just about do the trick. Another 1m maximum.

[americaninbangkok]

Just thinking out loud...

Thais will never accept foreigners criticizing their way of life or crazy judicial system here in Thailand... fine.

But it would be interesting if global media coverage of incdents such as this started to put a "dent" in how Thais are handled abroad. In other words, incidents such as these can mean that you don't get travel visas, have your assets frozen, are put on watchlists. Maybe they would realize the only place they actually are "important" is within their own little fifedom. It's never a pleasant reality check when you realize your sh*t actually does stink.

[noob7]

having a dig at Formula 1 every time Red Bull appears.

I tend to anyway, with their chauffeur drivers, especially the little tit with the finger.

[nurofiend]

i reckon we might be pleasantly surprised and still see him serve some jail time.

You have got to be joking!! A decent contribution to the police benevolent fund and a renovated court retiring room should just about do the trick. Another 1m maximum.

only time will tell eh, no point in me arguing about something that i said might happen.

i'm fully aware of how things usually go, as i said, i just have a weird feeling about this one.

[sydneyjed]

i reckon we might be pleasantly surprised and still see him serve some jail time.

Maybe but I bet anyone 3 million baht it aint Klong Prem....

[nurofiend]

i reckon we might be pleasantly surprised and still see him serve some jail time.

Maybe but I bet anyone 3 million baht it aint Klong Prem....

oh yeah, i'm talking jail time with all mods cons of course

[tony5150]

So many arm chair quarter backs and mouth pieces on this thread. This is the way Thai's handle THEIR business. If you don't like it why not boycott Red Bull? Write letters telling them your feelings or better yet get off your asses and protest/picket outside the perps home or the Red Bull office. Ahh yes that's right you'd rather piss and moan from the comfort of your chairs. Here's the address (The Red Bull Beverage Co., Ltd., 288, Eakachai Rd., Bang Bon, Bang Bon, Bangkok 10150 Thailand.)

Can I get the direction from 7-eleven please ?

Which one? I suspect you're hanging soi 15 maybe?

[h5kaf]

Most posters here are no better than the system, they are bashing. A system all based on money, where the wealth of the perp should decide the size of the compensation. So if you are "lucky" your familymember is killed by a Ferrari, giving you the means to live happily ever after. Bad luck if your relative is hit by a poor taxidriver, because by using the same of twisted logic a fair compensation in the latter case would be 2000-3000 baht. OR ??

Punishments are meant to deter, this is not about the compensation per se, therefore the outrage is at what many perceive to be a rich playboy getting away with killing someone and (by his standards) paying a pittance to do so. It wouldn't matter if he was rich or poor, if both were treated equally in the eyes of the law OR society in general. Unfortunately, here they are not.

I wonder how this type of situation would play out if both of the parties involved were rich, and 3 million baht wouldn't really make much of a difference to the great wealth already possessed by the victim's family. Would they push for true justice, or would the price just increase substantially?

I've lived here quite a while. but I can't think of a case that's similar in any way involving 2 rich families. Can anyone recall such a situation?

Not quite the same scenario but remember the guy who shot a policeman in a night club in front of hundreds of witnesses, then ran away to Malaysia (or was it Cambodia). He eventually came back and fell on his knees in front of his father (big scene for the saving of face etc.). He was then escorted to the police station with his father and given bail. When it all came to court there were no witnesses so he was found 'not guilty'. A rich family - yes. Guess who the father was!!!

Thais may well be outraged, but they have learned to accept that the rich and powerful will always get their own way.

[Samedeepwaterasyou]

There has never been a rule of law in this country .

This is just one more proof that never will be one.

End of the story .

[Tatsujin]

Pathetic, disgraceful, disgusting.....but what we all knew would happen.

Seriously? You're still forgetting we're not in Kansas anymore. This is Thai customs. No matter how much you don't agree with it you shouldn't call them names or be disrespectful. If you don't like it you should really consider moving somewhere else. All of us Expats are aware of the dangers and how the value life is treated differently (with money in lieu of prison time.) If you hate it so bad then go back to where you came from. Don't insult them for being different.

Oh get off that very old "if you don't like it, leave" bandwagon, it's getting boring to hear that so often.

Why can't we as foreigners speak our mind? What's wrong with us saying out loud what 'we' think is wrong with Thailand? You think they don't speak bad about you/us???? Grow up.

Regardless of what we might happen to say or think, the Thai's will still ignore us anyway and do whatever they would have done anyway.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Tatsujin

[soi41]

So many arm chair quarter backs and mouth pieces on this thread. This is the way Thai's handle THEIR business. If you don't like it why not boycott Red Bull? Write letters telling them your feelings or better yet get off your asses and protest/picket outside the perps home or the Red Bull office. Ahh yes that's right you'd rather piss and moan from the comfort of your chairs. Here's the address (The Red Bull Beverage Co., Ltd., 288, Eakachai Rd., Bang Bon, Bang Bon, Bangkok 10150 Thailand.)

Can I get the direction from 7-eleven please ?

Which one? I suspect you're hanging soi 15 maybe?

I don't get out much, so you mean they have more than one shop ?

[Soutpeel]

Oh get off that very old "if you don't like it, leave" bandwagon, it's getting boring to hear that so often.

Why can't we as foreigners speak our mind? What's wrong with us saying out loud what 'we' think is wrong with Thailand? You think they don't speak bad about you/us???? Grow up.

Regardless of what we might happen to say or think, the Thai's will still ignore us anyway and do whatever they would have done anyway.

Has it ocurred to you the poster is doing exactly what you are advocating..he is speaking his mind, so why tell him to grow up ?, or is it because he doesnt agree with what most of TV finest are saying ?

Edited September 26, 2012 by Soutpeel

[Tatsujin]

So may I humbly propose to the Thai goverment that the same logic be applied to all fines and payouts and a dual pricing system be introduced wherein Farangs because they are wealthy pay double what a Thai would pay for a legimate traffic violation, as it appears that large numbers of TV finest believe this is a fair and just way to do things

There already is a dual pricing system for foreigners here for those things.

[MalcolmWaite]

put your self in this mans position, as a farang, if it happened to you, you have the same chance to pay and walk away, this been proved in the past, i have seen it happen, and for a lot less than 3 million.

[Tatsujin]

Oh get off that very old "if you don't like it, leave" bandwagon, it's getting boring to hear that so often.

Why can't we as foreigners speak our mind? What's wrong with us saying out loud what 'we' think is wrong with Thailand? You think they don't speak bad about you/us???? Grow up.

Regardless of what we might happen to say or think, the Thai's will still ignore us anyway and do whatever they would have done anyway.

Has it ocurred to you the poster is doing exactly what you are advocating..he is speaking his mind, so why tell him to grow up ?, or is it because he doesnt agree with what most of TV finest are saying ?

The "grow up" reference was to what I read as the posters naive attitude that Thailand is perfect and that we should understand and make allowances for this without expressing our dissatisfaction for fear of upsetting the natives, not for him speaking his mind.

As always everyone is entitled to their own opinion and to express it however they want. I just won't necessarily agree with it.

Edited September 26, 2012 by Tatsujin

[Heng]

The victim's family likely didn't ASK for anything. But they almost certainly did SELL something if they accepted those funds (which undoubtedly they did). These cases get swept away rather quickly because the victims are almost always so quick to grab the bag-o-cash. I've seen it happen a few times myself. Once you say 'OK' then the whole process of 'verbal agreements' and signing this and that that you basically won't pursue a criminal or civil case as enthusiastically now that you've sold out. As I said earlier... the system only works because ALL sides make it work.

[silsburyhill]

As stated above several times, this compensation for the family should be in addition to, not as apposed to, criminal charges.

You forget where you are. Do you believe this asshol_e would've given any money to the family if he'd thought for just one moment it would even get to court?

As an aside, I find the photo of this kid's mother at the policeman's funeral with her arm's bare distasteful. Or is respect merely the preserve of the poor?

[simple1]

The victim's family likely didn't ASK for anything. But they almost certainly did SELL something if they accepted those funds (which undoubtedly they did). These cases get swept away rather quickly because the victims are almost always so quick to grab the bag-o-cash. I've seen it happen a few times myself. Once you say 'OK' then the whole process of 'verbal agreements' and signing this and that that you basically won't pursue a criminal or civil case as enthusiastically now that you've sold out. As I said earlier... the system only works because ALL sides make it work.

Once you accept & receive payment for compensation, the aggrieved party cannot pursue a civil case; full stop.