Foreigner Shot Dead In Saraburi

[coma]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co.th/content/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

[chooka]

can someone please sumarise what is going on with this poor mans murder, it is simply rediculous the amount of off topic unrelated posts from the garbage of this forum who refuse to move somewhere else to discuss their keyboard hypercrap unrelated nonesense somewhere else

thx in advance

It appears that his ex-wife and new Thai army boyfriend have been arrested and confessed to the murder, look back to post 327 and you will see the info coming through from a friend of the victim, Oswald.

Good news and I hope they receive the full force of the law. One life has been taken and the life of a poor 3 yr old boy destroyed. From all reports the father was a fine decent man who loved his child and regardless of the custody hearing I am sure that he would have provided for him finacially and emotionally. The mother appeared to be self centred and did not consider the child with her alleged acts. To the child you can be assured that your dad loved you and paid the ultimate price for his love.

I do not know anything of the mothers background but I hope that the family of the father continue the custody battle.

[chooka]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co...t/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

Ah that old chestnut in many custody battles, the father "Habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis". There wouldn't be to many fathers in the world who haven't been accused of this in custody cases. These accusations coming from a caring well balanced family who actually resort to murder instead of getting a court order to have supervised access until after the custody hearing. (maybe there was basis for such an order)

[ron1964]

The police think he was killed elsewhere and dumped there. Girlfriend just translated from Thai Rath for me. My speculation the scene looked pretty clean aside from the body. Maybe police speculation also.

Saraburi sit's astride main routes to both the North East and North , so many possibilities and reasons as to why he ended up there .

[smedly]

unfortunately in Thailand I believe this is a way of getting murder charges dropped, so instead of separation and divorce the whole family decided to get rid of him and keep the spoils - rather sick

[TwoDogz]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co...t/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

What a family, lead by such a wonderful mum.

Imagine sitting around and planning such a thing as a family.

[weka]

Thank you Coma and Chooka,

Obviously the statements about Oswald hitting anyone are complete bald faced lies.

When I get time I'll let you in on some more outrageous stunts this odius mother in law tried, even in court.

Gotta go, we have a little 3 year old boy to find and take into a loving home of Oswald's family

Wish us luck!

Edited October 4, 2012 by weka

[coma]

Thank you Coma and Chooka,

Obviously the statements about Oswald hitting anyone are complete bald faced lies.

When I get time I'll let you in on some more outrageous stunts this odius mother in law tried, even in court.

Gotta go, we have a little 3 year old boy to find and take into a loving home of Oswald's family

Wish us luck!

Good luck !

[NewlyMintedThai]

Obviously the statements about Oswald hitting anyone are complete bald faced lies.

With due respect, nothing is "obvious" at this point. What goes or went on behind closed doors is not known to any of us here...no matter how much we think we may have known the deceased.

We'll see if any evidence of this alleged abuse can be produced -- not that it will change the fact that someone committed a premeditated murder that was clearly not in self-defense.

[Thai at Heart]

Obviously the statements about Oswald hitting anyone are complete bald faced lies.

With due respect, nothing is "obvious" at this point. What goes or went on behind closed doors is not known to any of us here...no matter how much we think we may have known the deceased.

We'll see if any evidence of this alleged abuse can be produced -- not that it will change the fact that someone committed a premeditated murder that was clearly not in self-defense.

I doubt they will find any reported incidents whatsoever, and anyway, if there was an ongoing case for custody, presumably there should be a report somewhere.

What happens behind closed doors is hearsay until its reported and proven, and absolutely doesn't justify shooting someone like this in cold blood. This is hardly self defense or a crime of passion.

All in all a very pitiful excuse for cold blooded planned murder. They deserve the most serious of punishments. Why didn't they go to the police to report this? Animals, pure and simple.

[Thai at Heart]

Obviously the statements about Oswald hitting anyone are complete bald faced lies.

With due respect, nothing is "obvious" at this point. What goes or went on behind closed doors is not known to any of us here...no matter how much we think we may have known the deceased.

We'll see if any evidence of this alleged abuse can be produced -- not that it will change the fact that someone committed a premeditated murder that was clearly not in self-defense.

I doubt they will find any reported incidents whatsoever, and anyway, if there was an ongoing case for custody, presumably there should be a report somewhere.

What happens behind closed doors is hearsay until its reported and proven, and absolutely doesn't justify shooting someone like this in cold blood. This is hardly self defense or a crime of passion.

All in all a very pitiful excuse for cold blooded planned murder. They deserve the most serious of punishments. Why didn't they go to the police to report this? Animals, pure and simple.

[coma]

This article goes further to say that the defendants planned to murder Oswald because they were infuriated not only with his alleged history of physical abuse but also that they were deceived. They claim that the victim only married his wife in order to have a son and the right to open up a business here in Thailand. Once he had achieve both he then planned to divorce his wife and take custody of his child.

Furthermore the sons [gunman] version of events claims that both his adopted mother and sister were with him when he discarded of the victims body. Which is at odds with Oswalds mother-in-laws statement made prior to her sons arrest in Ayuthaya.

http://www.khaosod.c...pMHhNQzB3TkE9PQ==

Well done to the BIB for moving quickly in making arrests.

Edited October 4, 2012 by coma

[weka]

I will not tolerate this pathetic speculation regarding the lies of cold blooded killers

There are court transcripts that show patsy witnesses provided by the MIL fabricating exactly the the same claims. they were dismissed on the grounds of being ridiculous and I wonder why perjury charges weren't brought.

This isn't the place for you to be spouting your "you can't prove it" theories. get a lif, or better yet some information on your bleatings

[coma]

[Thai at Heart]

This article goes further to say that the defendants planned to murder Oswald because they were infuriated not only with his alleged history of physical abuse but also that they were deceived. They claim that the victim only married his wife in order to have a son and the right to open up a business here in Thailand. Once he had achieve both he then planned to divorce his wife and take custody of his child.

Furthermore the sons [gunman] version of events claims that both his adopted mother and sister were with him when he discarded of the victims body. Which is at odds with Oswalds mother-in-laws statement made prior to her sons arrest in Ayuthaya.

http://www.khaosod.c...pMHhNQzB3TkE9PQ==

Well done to the BIB for moving quickly in making arrests.

What a crock....

[NewlyMintedThai]

I will not tolerate this pathetic speculation regarding the lies of cold blooded killers

There are court transcripts that show patsy witnesses provided by the MIL fabricating exactly the the same claims. they were dismissed on the grounds of being ridiculous and I wonder why perjury charges weren't brought.

This isn't the place for you to be spouting your "you can't prove it" theories. get a lif, or better yet some information on your bleatings

HEY. Cool down. You're way out of line. I have not posted any "theory" or "speculation".

I said they were allegations. Anyone can make an allegation.

The onus is now on the suspects to prove them...if they can.

Personally, I doubt them too.

Edited October 4, 2012 by NewlyMintedThai

[tinfoilhat]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co...t/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

Ah that old chestnut in many custody battles, the father "Habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis". There wouldn't be to many fathers in the world who haven't been accused of this in custody cases. These accusations coming from a caring well balanced family who actually resort to murder instead of getting a court order to have supervised access until after the custody hearing. (maybe there was basis for such an order)

I disagree, it may be a fairly common and desperate tactic, but to infer it is the norm and the majority is hyperbole

[NewlyMintedThai]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co...t/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

Ah that old chestnut in many custody battles, the father "Habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis". There wouldn't be to many fathers in the world who haven't been accused of this in custody cases. These accusations coming from a caring well balanced family who actually resort to murder instead of getting a court order to have supervised access until after the custody hearing. (maybe there was basis for such an order)

I disagree, it may be a fairly common and desperate tactic, but to infer it is the norm and the majority is hyperbole

It's also sometimes true. I am NOT saying it is true in this case, since I have no knowledge either way.

[coma]

Unfortunatley Thai courts are big on mitigating circumstances in such cases.

Fortunatley they do not tolerate lying and liars. If and / or when liars are found out they normally feel the full rath of the law.

[Thai at Heart]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co...t/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

Ah that old chestnut in many custody battles, the father "Habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis". There wouldn't be to many fathers in the world who haven't been accused of this in custody cases. These accusations coming from a caring well balanced family who actually resort to murder instead of getting a court order to have supervised access until after the custody hearing. (maybe there was basis for such an order)

I disagree, it may be a fairly common and desperate tactic, but to infer it is the norm and the majority is hyperbole

These village people genuinely believe the courts will never take a judgment in favor of a foreigner over a Thai. Then when it happens, the irrational loss of face is ridiculous.

They will lie, cheat and abuse the system with impunity and then get furious when they don't get the judgment they want. They are like spoilt kids and then commit heinous crimes like this in vengeance.

A five year old has a greater concept of right and wrong than some Thai women and their families.

[smedly]

Latest development from http://m.thairath.co...t/region/295780

This story states that Oswalds wife, mother-in-law Ms Woraporn 59 years and her adopted 26 year old son planned the murder together.Two other reletives also have admitted to knowing of the murder and are assiating police with the ongoing investigation.

The mother-in-law has gone on to state that the reason for murdering Mr Heinrich is because he habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis. She therefore planned with her adopted son, Mr Surasit , to kill Mr Heinrich. Prior to Oswalds arrival at the 3 story commercial building she ordered her other daughter to take the 3 year old son away.She then tricked Mr Heinrich into getting into the Toyota pick up saying that they would take him to see his son. The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving. Oswald was kiled instantly. After that Mr Surasit let his mother and sister out of the vehicle then proceded to dispose of the body. She said she didn't know where this had been done until seeing it on the news.

Mr Surasit below :

Ah that old chestnut in many custody battles, the father "Habitually both physically and verbally assaulted both his wife and their 3 year old son and a regular basis". There wouldn't be to many fathers in the world who haven't been accused of this in custody cases. These accusations coming from a caring well balanced family who actually resort to murder instead of getting a court order to have supervised access until after the custody hearing. (maybe there was basis for such an order)

I disagree, it may be a fairly common and desperate tactic, but to infer it is the norm and the majority is hyperbole

It's also sometimes true. I am NOT saying it is true in this case, since I have no knowledge either way.

since we are now becoming aware of difficulties in the family unit previous court cases etc I have a question to those that know

Were they separated ? or still living as a married couple ?

Seems to me that this family decided to "get rid of the falang" thinking they would reap the spoils, I just hope the three of them end up with very long spells in prison and the child inherits everything, very sad case and could be an education to many that are facing similar situations - I have known a few over the years and always advised them to be extemely careful

[IBoldnewguy]

CSI probably needs a few more bystanders to help trample the crime scene - lots of tattoos showing on body - should help ID efforts.

[NewlyMintedThai]

Back to anti-Thai bigotry I see.

[weka]

CSI probably needs a few more bystanders to help trample the crime scene - lots of tattoos showing on body - should help ID efforts.

The Police wrapped up this case inside 3 days.

Anything else to moan about?

[DP25]

What a surprise it was the wife, almost always the culprit in farang murders.

The mother-in-law drove, the wife sat in the back seat behind the driver and Oswald sat in the back next to her. Mr Surasit hide himself in the back of the pick up. After driving some 10 km Mr Surasit then shot Oswald from the rear twice with a .38 pistol. One round passed through and hit the windshield which cause slight injury to the mother-in-law driving.

That has to be one of the dumbest murder plots I've ever heard of. Leave bullet holes and blood stains in your own car that you murder your relative in.

[NewlyMintedThai]

What a surprise it was the wife, almost always the culprit in farang murders.

And it's almost always the farang husband when a Thai lady gets knocked off.

It's almost always the spouse everywhere in the world, regardless of race or sex.

I wish we could get away from the "us v. them" racist mentality.

[Gweiloman]

I am not infering this man was done this way BUT why oh why oh why do so many aged wetern men marry these prostitutes. Just because they look sweet, they fall for it. Imagine driving to kings cross and marrying some brass in her fishnets, it would never happen. I dont know why Thais are so good at the game.

Silly silly men.

Think to yourself, what's the profile of most of these men? Consider their social standing back in their home countries, their personal net worth, their level of intellect and career successes and their age. What are the chances that they can find themselves a subservient woman who will care for them and (initially at least) looks up to them as their knight in shining armour, able to provide a comfortable and secure life for them and their children / extended families?

When a not so affluent farang comes to live in Thailand, they appear rich in the beginning due to the favourable exchange rates. After a while, reality and awareness sets in and the Thai wife realises that this seemingly wealthy farang is actually only middle class or lower in their home countries. He might be able to provide but not the the level the Thai wife had hoped for. So before it's too late and while she still has some appeal to another farang, she tries to get out of her current relationship asap.

Yes, you are right, silly, silly men but hey, don't be too hard on them, they are not much cleverer than your average Thai farmer either.

[Bung]

Speaking from experience?

[NewlyMintedThai]

I am not infering this man was done this way BUT why oh why oh why do so many aged wetern men marry these prostitutes. Just because they look sweet, they fall for it. Imagine driving to kings cross and marrying some brass in her fishnets, it would never happen. I dont know why Thais are so good at the game.

Silly silly men.

Think to yourself, what's the profile of most of these men? Consider their social standing back in their home countries, their personal net worth, their level of intellect and career successes and their age. What are the chances that they can find themselves a subservient woman who will care for them and (initially at least) looks up to them as their knight in shining armour, able to provide a comfortable and secure life for them and their children / extended families?

When a not so affluent farang comes to live in Thailand, they appear rich in the beginning due to the favourable exchange rates. After a while, reality and awareness sets in and the Thai wife realises that this seemingly wealthy farang is actually only middle class or lower in their home countries. He might be able to provide but not the the level the Thai wife had hoped for. So before it's too late and while she still has some appeal to another farang, she tries to get out of her current relationship asap.

Yes, you are right, silly, silly men but hey, don't be too hard on them, they are not much cleverer than your average Thai farmer either.

Oswald does not seem to have fit the loser profile you describe. In fact, he seems like he was a successful, smart guy.

I asked before if anyone knew about the background of the ex-wife, but no one responded. At least that I saw.

[Gweiloman]

I am not infering this man was done this way BUT why oh why oh why do so many aged wetern men marry these prostitutes. Just because they look sweet, they fall for it. Imagine driving to kings cross and marrying some brass in her fishnets, it would never happen. I dont know why Thais are so good at the game.

Silly silly men.

Think to yourself, what's the profile of most of these men? Consider their social standing back in their home countries, their personal net worth, their level of intellect and career successes and their age. What are the chances that they can find themselves a subservient woman who will care for them and (initially at least) looks up to them as their knight in shining armour, able to provide a comfortable and secure life for them and their children / extended families?

When a not so affluent farang comes to live in Thailand, they appear rich in the beginning due to the favourable exchange rates. After a while, reality and awareness sets in and the Thai wife realises that this seemingly wealthy farang is actually only middle class or lower in their home countries. He might be able to provide but not the the level the Thai wife had hoped for. So before it's too late and while she still has some appeal to another farang, she tries to get out of her current relationship asap.

Yes, you are right, silly, silly men but hey, don't be too hard on them, they are not much cleverer than your average Thai farmer either.

Oswald does not seem to have fit the loser profile you describe. In fact, he seems like he was a successful, smart guy.

I asked before if anyone knew about the background of the ex-wife, but no one responded. At least that I saw.

I wasn't talking about the victim here. I was responding directly to DonW's post. Sorry for any misunderstanding caused.