Is Being Fat A Choice (If There Is No Underlying Medical Reason)

[robblok]

5 eggs? - I would check your cholesterol levels!

Thing is Tropo does, and so do i. Regular health and blood checkups are not that expensive here and give you a lot of information. They can steer you in the right direction.

Because of those i found out that my breakfast of 120gram of oats and milk spiked my blood sugar. Cutting back a bit on the carbs made a huge improvement in my HBA1C levels. I still enjoy my carbs but in smaller sittings.

I consume less eggs as Tropo, just because they don't fit in my diet. Just 2 a day. Did 4 a day for a while and also great scores on the Cholesterol.

I wonder if you ever let yourself be checked.

The egg cholesterol thing has been debunked ages ago.

[robblok]

There's a load of old tosh and quackery being spouted on this thread .....it would seem that many have been "blinded by pseudo-science".

This of course is an industry that flourishes in Thailand as in the thread below but also under the wing of apparently "legit" institutions.

I would seriously consult with a doctor from outside Thailand before engaging on ANY weight training, body-building or weight-loss program over here.

http://www.thaivisa....ne#entry5775588

Can you please get lost. We've had more than enough of your nonsense.

someone's in denial.

Yes you.. you did not even awnser me or Eek. I would have much less of a problem with you if you would quote real studies to your claims about bodybuilders and your thinking on other nutritional things. That would make things interesting and we could all learn some new things. I am always open to learning new things.

Before i had a nice argument about high protein diets and their supposed bad effects. The kidney thing was debunked but there was still the problem of calcium not being taken into the body as effectively on high protein diets. After looking into it, this was right percentage wise but just a bit more milk or a calcium supplement would nullify the effect.

Those are the kinds of discussions i like, the ones where both parties learn something. You never back up anything and have a thing against bodybuilders that is totally groundless. If we attack yu for your non sense you suggest its because we put inject us with all kinds of stuf (i dont). I wonder how that explains all the other users on this forum who also attack each other on topics.

Not to mention that alcohol causes more aggression as testosterone the aggression of testosterone has also never been proven. But mainstream media loves demonizing anything out of the ordinary.

I have been around bodybuilders who used testosterone and i can tell you some were as meek as lambs and others were total idiots.. But guess what they were the same without the stuff. Compare that to all the violence that occurs with alcohol.

Im sure you will come up with some smart as claims that you don't back up, and i wonder why I even take the time to argue with you.

I would say live and let live, i have never looked down on fat people (only the ones who complain they are fat but don't want to do a thing about it) People who are fat by choice and are happy no problems there. But if your complaining about something you can remedy yourself but you don't then i don't have much respect for you. But this goes not only for fat people but for everyone.

People complaining about their job but not changing it, people complaining about things they can with some effort remedy they just don't deserve my respect.

People trying to better themselves, real fat guys giving it all to loose some weight but having a hard time doing so. I respect those immensely. People studying extra next to their job great. People working on their bad relationship before ending it as a last resort.. great.. people bitching about how bad their life is but not changing it..... You get the picture.

For some reason i got the feeling your not happy with yourself and try to get others "bodybuilders in this case" down. That could only mean your not happy with your looks or you had some run in with some idiot bodybuilders. I won't deny that those exists. You will find idiot nature conservationists too as i have noticed. Does not mean they are all bad.

Edited November 7, 2012 by robblok

[Tolley]

5 eggs? - I would check your cholesterol levels!

(I was waiting for the obligatory comment about cholesterol levels. Thanks for obliging and thanks for your concern)

That was only for breakfast dude. My daily total of eggs is usually about 8 - 10. Yesterday I had 13.

I know exactly what my cholesterol levels are as I regularly have them checked along with many other things.

My most recent test:

Total cholesterol: 154 mg/dl (normal 150 - 200)

HDL: 44 mg/dl (normal more than 40)

LDL: 94 mg/dl (normal less than 130)

Triglyceride: 111 mg/dl (normal 30 - 150)

Chol: HDL ratio: 3.7 (normal less than 4.5)

LDL: HDL ratio 2.2 (normal less than 3.0)

Get with the times baby. Get into those eggs.

Interesting results. They are quite similar to mine.

HDL is also almost the same as mine. This HDL figure should really be better but I have not been able to get mine higher.

13 eggs a day is impressive. You must really be working out extremely hard. I eat one in the morning! Eggs BTW are far better for breakfast than cereals.

[robblok]

5 eggs? - I would check your cholesterol levels!

(I was waiting for the obligatory comment about cholesterol levels. Thanks for obliging and thanks for your concern)

That was only for breakfast dude. My daily total of eggs is usually about 8 - 10. Yesterday I had 13.

I know exactly what my cholesterol levels are as I regularly have them checked along with many other things.

My most recent test:

Total cholesterol: 154 mg/dl (normal 150 - 200)

HDL: 44 mg/dl (normal more than 40)

LDL: 94 mg/dl (normal less than 130)

Triglyceride: 111 mg/dl (normal 30 - 150)

Chol: HDL ratio: 3.7 (normal less than 4.5)

LDL: HDL ratio 2.2 (normal less than 3.0)

Get with the times baby. Get into those eggs.

Interesting results. They are quite similar to mine.

HDL is also almost the same as mine. This HDL figure should really be better but I have not been able to get mine higher.

13 eggs a day is impressive. You must really be working out extremely hard. I eat one in the morning! Eggs BTW are far better for breakfast than cereals.

I think i would get bored with so many eggs, normally i just boil 2 eggs and eat them after my oats. There was a time that i would scramble 4 eggs and eat them with some cheese (i still do at times). Never did get to 13.

As far as I know Tropo trains like a demon, i train hard but i believe my sessions are shorter. (not counting cardio they usually last between 45min and an hour. But i train fast because there is nobody to talk with and no waits for the machines in my home gym.

Though i keep 1min 30 rest if i do stuff like benchpresses or pull ups or squats or deadlifts.

here my tests

Edited November 7, 2012 by robblok

[tropo]

Interesting results. They are quite similar to mine.

HDL is also almost the same as mine. This HDL figure should really be better but I have not been able to get mine higher.

13 eggs a day is impressive. You must really be working out extremely hard. I eat one in the morning! Eggs BTW are far better for breakfast than cereals.

I haven't been working out hard for the last week as I've been traveling. The extra eggs were eaten on board a flight because it's a lot better than the airline food they had on offer.

I don't obsess about cholesterol levels as long as they're reasonably close to normal. It's the heart risk ratios (the last 2 ratios of my test results) which are more important than the numbers alone.

If people ate more eggs and gave up on the processed meat and other miscellaneous junk they'd be far better off.

Edited November 7, 2012 by tropo

[Tolley]

Interesting results. They are quite similar to mine.

HDL is also almost the same as mine. This HDL figure should really be better but I have not been able to get mine higher.

13 eggs a day is impressive. You must really be working out extremely hard. I eat one in the morning! Eggs BTW are far better for breakfast than cereals.

I haven't been working out hard for the last week as I've been traveling. The extra eggs were eaten on board a flight because it's a lot better than the airline food they had on offer.

I don't obsess about cholesterol levels as long as they're reasonably close to normal. It's the heart risk ratios (the last 2 ratios of my test results) which are more important than the numbers alone.

If people ate more eggs and gave up on the processed meat and other miscellaneous junk they'd be far better off.

Very true about junk food and processed meats. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

I think the tryclycerides are the most important to keep low. High Trycs are a major indicator of health problems.

[tropo]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

[billd766]

Luckily the nearest mcdonalds is 90 minutes away as id be huge if we had 1 in my city

Lucky you that it is so close.

For me the nearest KFC is 65km away and I think the nearest McDs to me is in Phitsanulok which is 180km away.

[billd766]

I am just sitting at my desk reading this and eating a couple of boiled egg sandwiches made with real eggs and salted butter.

Wait a minute, what is this feeling I have now?

Could it really be, yes it really is,

HAPPINESS

[tropo]

I am just sitting at my desk reading this and eating a couple of boiled egg sandwiches made with real eggs and salted butter.

Wait a minute, what is this feeling I have now?

Could it really be, yes it really is,

HAPPINESS

(I never believe people who continuously have to reaffirm their happiness)

Anyway, you can enjoy that food and stay lean, so you can have the best of both worlds.

[poanoi]

Truth is i never knew that eggs are better than whatever else, but i do like my egg & caviar.

Can someone make a short list why they are good ?

[Tolley]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

Where do you get the organic eggs?

BTW When you boil your eggs do you put salt in the water? That usually stops them cracking.

[tropo]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

Where do you get the organic eggs?

BTW When you boil your eggs do you put salt in the water? That usually stops them cracking.

I've used that "trick" for years but it just doesn't work. I'm amazed at how weak some of these egg shells are - that's not a good sign for the nutrient content of the egg. Usually the jumbo sizes are the weakest.

The best trick is to store them at room temperature rather than in the fridge.

There's an organic brand that you can buy at Villa and Foodland. I don't remember the name because I'm not buying them. I'll check it out next time I go shopping.

Edited November 7, 2012 by tropo

[tropo]

Truth is i never knew that eggs are better than whatever else, but i do like my egg & caviar.

Can someone make a short list why they are good ?

Just for starters, eggs are one of the most bio available forms of protein. They're also super easy to digest.

[cowslip]

Tropo - if your results come from the same source as your medical advice, I'd advise you start putting your affairs in order, pretty quickly!

Edited November 7, 2012 by cowslip

[poanoi]

Ok, so it is first and foremost a protein source ?

what do you think about the powder milk given to kids as a cheap protein drink btw ?

[cowslip]

Teal studies? - sorry it's trials you should read - "studies" are meaningless - but I doubt many would understand them.

[tropo]

Teal studies? - sorry it's trials you should read - "studies" are meaningless - but I doubt many would understand them.

Pretty much everything you've posted so far has been either an attack on other members and/or totally useless.

How about you explain these "trials" in an easy to understand language. You know, something that steroid pumping bodybuilders would understand.

[tropo]

Tropo - if your results come from the same source as your medical advice, I'd advise you start putting your affairs in order, pretty quickly!

You first suggested I check cholesterol. I gave you my comprehensive recent test results.

Now you're suggesting what? My lab is no good because you can't believe that someone who consumes so many eggs should have such good lab results?

I don't get medical advice from anywhere. I don't see doctors. I schedule my own blood tests.

[tropo]

Ok, so it is first and foremost a protein source ?

what do you think about the powder milk given to kids as a cheap protein drink btw ?

I don't know about milk powder given to kids. Where do they do this?

As long as the kids can handle lactose I can't see anything wrong with it. Better to have a good protein source than none at all.

[poanoi]

It is mixed with water and usually boiled, i think the name is gruel

[Tolley]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

Where do you get the organic eggs?

BTW When you boil your eggs do you put salt in the water? That usually stops them cracking.

I've used that "trick" for years but it just doesn't work. I'm amazed at how weak some of these egg shells are - that's not a good sign for the nutrient content of the egg. Usually the jumbo sizes are the weakest.

The best trick is to store them at room temperature rather than in the fridge.

There's an organic brand that you can buy at Villa and Foodland. I don't remember the name because I'm not buying them. I'll check it out next time I go shopping.

I 'll go down and check Villa tomorrow. The eggs in Singapore were the absolute worst eggs I have eaten anywhere. They were almost like jelly. They did have organic NZ eggs available but i couldnt bring myself to pay 10 dollars for a dozen eggs.

[Tolley]

Tropo - if your results come from the same source as your medical advice, I'd advise you start putting your affairs in order, pretty quickly!

You first suggested I check cholesterol. I gave you my comprehensive recent test results.

Now you're suggesting what? My lab is no good because you can't believe that someone who consumes so many eggs should have such good lab results?

I don't get medical advice from anywhere. I don't see doctors. I schedule my own blood tests.

That cholesterol and egg myth was debunked ages ago.

The whole cholesterol thing anyone is very dubious given that the liver produces 70 percent of it anyway.

Big Pharma has made a fortune out of sticking people on dangerous statins when there was no need to take any medication.

[Tolley]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

I found the organic eggs at Villa and I must say the do taste better. Well worth the little bit more that they cost.

BTW I also found some 100 percent pomegranate juice which I am going to start taking. A lot of good research on the health benefits of pomegranates. Apparently they are good for regulating blood sugar levels amongst a lot of other things.

[robblok]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

I found the organic eggs at Villa and I must say the do taste better. Well worth the little bit more that they cost.

BTW I also found some 100 percent pomegranate juice which I am going to start taking. A lot of good research on the health benefits of pomegranates. Apparently they are good for regulating blood sugar levels amongst a lot of other things.

About the foods that are supposed to be healthy like pomegranates ect. There are claims for practically any fruit or veggy to have benefits. I sometimes wonder how much benefits something really has. Are we talking 10% 50% ect. Same like the vitamins im taking. I take them just in case. But one has to wonder sometimes about all the claims about all the stuff we buy.

[laislica]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

I found the organic eggs at Villa and I must say the do taste better. Well worth the little bit more that they cost.

BTW I also found some 100 percent pomegranate juice which I am going to start taking. A lot of good research on the health benefits of pomegranates. Apparently they are good for regulating blood sugar levels amongst a lot of other things.

About the foods that are supposed to be healthy like pomegranates ect. There are claims for practically any fruit or veggy to have benefits. I sometimes wonder how much benefits something really has. Are we talking 10% 50% ect. Same like the vitamins im taking. I take them just in case. But one has to wonder sometimes about all the claims about all the stuff we buy.

How true Rob, how true.

"They" can make and sell vitamins that are hardly bio-available and therefore no use what so ever. "They" add magnesium sterate and Talc to make the mixing process faster and cheaper and tell us that it's OK to use these additives.

I believe it's best to get them from whole organic food but where to find that on a regular basis?

The language barrier doesn't help either.

If not buy vitamins and minerals that are made from food, that is not just a bunch of chemicals.

In the book Driving Over Lemons, the English man said to his local Spanish neighbour "So this is great, all your produce is locally grown and organic", the neighbour replied" You must be joking, we throw every chemical at them that we can get our hands on!"

Earlier, Aspartame was discussed, if you have time, listen to this discussion into the chemistry of how it is broken down in our bodies.

I think you will be shocked.

The industry tested it on animals and found no problems. The trouble is that Human cells don't have exactly the same mechanisms in our cells and we cannot easily excrete the formaldehyde that is formed inside the cells.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/11/11/aspartame-dangers.aspx?e_cid=20121111_SNL_Art_1

This is only one source of information about Aspartame (good old Google) but I think it's one of the best.

Here is another one, good but not much detail.

http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/5-reasons-aspartame-is-bad-for-you.html

[robblok]

I do take vitamins, from one of the better brands. Still it does not mean much as i wont know its effects. But its the same with the protein i take once in a while. But same with whole foods or fruits, labels say nothing. Plus how do we really know it works.

Not advocating steriods here, but i have used some in the past(2 times a few years back), and i can tell you the effects blow all those vitamins / fat burners / proteins right out of the water. I never feel that they work combined with that stuff. Does not mean i want that stuff, but just that the effects are not noticeable enough. And if the things like vitamins or fish oils are long term you can't know either because you dont know what would have happened without it.

So i just stick with a few supplements that i know that work or that i suspect that they work. Protein powders i use for the easy of use, vitamins just in case and fish oil. I tried CLA in the past as it was rumored to help with fat loss.. never really worked for me (or at least not noticeable). I used creatine.. did get a bit stronger but i don't care too much about that. Pre workout drinks, they seem to work for me for a while then i need to stop to feel its effects again.Same with cafeine the more you use the less it works.

Edited November 12, 2012 by robblok

[tropo]

I do take vitamins, from one of the better brands. Still it does not mean much as i wont know its effects. But its the same with the protein i take once in a while. But same with whole foods or fruits, labels say nothing. Plus how do we really know it works.

Not advocating steriods here, but i have used some in the past(2 times a few years back), and i can tell you the effects blow all those vitamins / fat burners / proteins right out of the water. I never feel that they work combined with that stuff. Does not mean i want that stuff, but just that the effects are not noticeable enough. And if the things like vitamins or fish oils are long term you can't know either because you dont know what would have happened without it.

So i just stick with a few supplements that i know that work or that i suspect that they work. Protein powders i use for the easy of use, vitamins just in case and fish oil. I tried CLA in the past as it was rumored to help with fat loss.. never really worked for me (or at least not noticeable). I used creatine.. did get a bit stronger but i don't care too much about that. Pre workout drinks, they seem to work for me for a while then i need to stop to feel its effects again.Same with cafeine the more you use the less it works.

This sums up the situation very well. We'll never know if there is any benefit from these supplements, with the exception of protein. That's a macro nutrient and not in the same category. Of course if you're already getting enough protein from food sources it's not going to give any muscle building benefits. I can work out as a very cost effective way to get protein if you're getting it at a good price.

[Tolley]

. Can you buy organic eggs here in Pattaya? I am not sure what the quality of the eggs are like here really.

There are organic eggs. They're 80+ baht per 10. I have no idea what the quality of the standard eggs is. There's a big variance in shell hardness though. I like to boil my eggs and many have such thin shells that boiling them is nearly impossible without breakage.

I do know that some of those omega 3 eggs taste too fishy for my liking.

I found the organic eggs at Villa and I must say the do taste better. Well worth the little bit more that they cost.

BTW I also found some 100 percent pomegranate juice which I am going to start taking. A lot of good research on the health benefits of pomegranates. Apparently they are good for regulating blood sugar levels amongst a lot of other things.

About the foods that are supposed to be healthy like pomegranates ect. There are claims for practically any fruit or veggy to have benefits. I sometimes wonder how much benefits something really has. Are we talking 10% 50% ect. Same like the vitamins im taking. I take them just in case. But one has to wonder sometimes about all the claims about all the stuff we buy.

Pomegranates are especially important for men given that so many men develop prostate problems as they get older.

THere has been a lot of research on the health benefits of pomegranates for men with prostate conditions and the findings are very positive.

But you shouldnt expect some magic elixir but rather a more subtle improvement as you get similarly with many vitamins.

[robblok]

About the foods that are supposed to be healthy like pomegranates ect. There are claims for practically any fruit or veggy to have benefits. I sometimes wonder how much benefits something really has. Are we talking 10% 50% ect. Same like the vitamins im taking. I take them just in case. But one has to wonder sometimes about all the claims about all the stuff we buy.

Pomegranates are especially important for men given that so many men develop prostate problems as they get older.

THere has been a lot of research on the health benefits of pomegranates for men with prostate conditions and the findings are very positive.

But you shouldnt expect some magic elixir but rather a more subtle improvement as you get similarly with many vitamins.

Im not really expecting magical elixirs, but sometimes its nice to see if something works or not. Vitamins, never seen real improvements, same with fish oil, protein.. same thing. But its all because the changes are so small. But if for instance extra protein gives you 15 grams of muscle instead of 13 gram... (totally stupid example) but then its almost impossible to measure.

At least with lifting weight or doing cardio you can see progression