Red Bull Heir Finally Shows Up For Questioning: Bangkok

[catmac]

To follow up Dragons70's point on his personal boycott of RB, he may be pleased to hear that sales of RB at my boyfriend's shop have fallen away to almost nil - we won't be restocking it. Our local wholesaler reports a similar drop, and he won't be stocking it anymore either. So maybe, just for once, the "little people" in Thailand are showing their contempt for the revolting scum that have leeched off them for far too long.

[Bill999]

Much easier if we accept the reality that he has never or probably will never do an honest days work in his life, and will get away with murder, as many times as he commits it, as well as having several Mia-nois, lots of houses, numerous luxury cars, a private jet and as much coke as he can stuff up his nose. But I'm sure he has his problems, apart from the ongoing investigation.

Isn't he the Managing Director of Red Bull Thailand? Think that falls into the category of doing "an honest days work". Which murder has he committed and got away with? What have mia nois got to do with this? If he can afford houses, cars, etc., then why shouldn't he have them? I'm sure you own something that someone, somewhere, not as fortunate as you can't afford?

Is the green-eyed monster rearing it's ugly head here?

You are blind to stuff.

Enlighten me then. Without speculation or irrelevancies.

[Bill999]

Much easier if we accept the reality that he has never or probably will never do an honest days work in his life, and will get away with murder, as many times as he commits it, as well as having several Mia-nois, lots of houses, numerous luxury cars, a private jet and as much coke as he can stuff up his nose. But I'm sure he has his problems, apart from the ongoing investigation.

Isn't he the Managing Director of Red Bull Thailand? Think that falls into the category of doing "an honest days work". Which murder has he committed and got away with? What have mia nois got to do with this? If he can afford houses, cars, etc., then why shouldn't he have them? I'm sure you own something that someone, somewhere, not as fortunate as you can't afford?

Is the green-eyed monster rearing it's ugly head here?

Agree that if he is the managing director of Red Bull he probably does work very hard, but only he and those in his organisation can confirm this. I wouldnt imagine too many hard working MDs of large companies can afford the time lost to drinking until 5am in the morning though?? Further, as the MD of RB he was most probably involved in arranging for Mark Webber to demonstrate with his Formula 1 car a couple of years ago here in Bangkok. A birthday present for HRH. Friends in high places indeed. Good luck to him if he has many houses, cars, girlfriends etc, although the policeman he killed probably earnt less in a year than what this guy spends on a night out. The fact that this guy is extremely rich, and from a powerful family, is not a reason for jealousy. Instead I choose to hold him in contempt, disrespect and disgust for the selfish, irresponsible actions that have taken away a human life. This was not a cop who was sleeping or drunk on the job, but one who was trying to do his duty and protect the innocents ( ie. us ) from idiots like Mr RB.....many times Ive stumbled home drunk along Sukhumvit road, never expecting to get cleaned up by a drunken, coked up moron in a speeding Ferrari...probably because despite the many corrupt and lazy thai cops, there are also many who do a good job and manage to keep total chaos from overtaking the roads of Bangkok...the utter contempt that Mr.RB has shown for the grieving family and legal process through the whole affair thus far is disgusting.

Yes its true that the green eyed monster mocks the meat on which it feeds, so I dont give this sub-human Mr RB the acknowledgement required to be jealous of him, my comments here aside. But his actions do make me very, very angry. From what I see there is only one monster ivolved here, and he is mocking the fallen, the Thai people and the laws around which any civilised society must be structured. Cases such as this are part of the reason why Thailand still remains very much a third world country.

If this "man" does get away with this crime, the only way the little people can protest against him is with a boycott of red bull products and those events/organisations which are sponsored by Red Bull. I for one have stopped drinking red bull (lipo taste better anyhow) and threw away my red bull racing cap. I know my own personal boycott won't impact Mr Red Bull, but I feel better for it...No need to be jealous, but if we don't show discontent, nothing will ever change...

10/10

No further comment needed.

Well actually more comment is needed, Artisi.

Dragons70, I was not commenting on morals, ethics or the case, I was commenting on the ridiculous statement that he'd never done a day's work in his life and the other mention of mia nois etc.

Fundamentally, I agree with what you say although your comment to me, with all due respect, had no relevance to my comment on Looping's "honest day's work statement".

[kevvy]

maybe went to see thaksin ... he knows all the tricks

[Halion]

BILL 999, ARTSI, DRAGONS70,LOOPING.

I think that all of you have relevant points and they have been well made. I would add that the contensious issue appears to be with regard to a "honest days work". Mr RB junior would in my opinion have put in some effort in supporting his position.

Perhaps we can close this by just agreeing that to drop the word "honest" as it is at contra taunt with everything about this case and flies in the face of all we know about elitism in this country. With regard to "Mia Nois" perhaps a little filpant but accepted part of Thai culture at all levels which gives it some relevance owing to the fact that it does require capital to fund your mia noi regieme. However, in this case it may well be irrelevant as he is probably gay.

[Bill999]

I have written a letter to Ferrari HQ and copied several articles on this case suggesting that they may wish to reconsider their allocation of their sole distributorship to this deviant family.

Sadly Ferrari have been on the sharp end of several cases of the over priveledged sons of the rich and famous wraping their cars round people and inanimate objects.

The very fact that this little pricks father who is also the chairman of the Ferrari consession in Thailand was also colusive in trying to deflect his sons role in this issue by giving the police a false account.

I for one would not wish to have an international brand sullied by such actions and would distance myself and my brand name from such deception in the blink of an eye. I refer not to the actual accident but to the despicable deviance of the father and Chairman of Ferrari in Thailand following the accident. I also think that is is highly questionable and a further obstruction of justice that Ferrari Thailand claimed that they had no one compotent to retrieve the data from the vehicle black box. I would also suggest that Red Bull Austria should have a shareholder review as to how they should position themselves in this scenario. I

What is this "black box" that is referred to occasionally here? Is it a reference to the computerised ECU/ECM that controls various systems in all cars these days, or a reference to a data recorder that most car manufacturers don't fit.

If it's the former then of course nobody could retrieve the data because there wouldn't be any. The ECU's job is to control fuelling, ignition etc to ensure the car runs as it is designed to.

If it's the latter then you won't find it fitted as standard to any Ferrari or most other makes. So there's no data to be recovered unless the owner fitted an aftermarket EDR which is unlikely unless the car was being optimised for track use.

[Bill999]

BILL 999, ARTSI, DRAGONS70,LOOPING.

I think that all of you have relevant points and they have been well made. I would add that the contensious issue appears to be with regard to a "honest days work". Mr RB junior would in my opinion have put in some effort in supporting his position.

Perhaps we can close this by just agreeing that to drop the word "honest" as it is at contra taunt with everything about this case and flies in the face of all we know about elitism in this country. With regard to "Mia Nois" perhaps a little filpant but accepted part of Thai culture at all levels which gives it some relevance owing to the fact that it does require capital to fund your mia noi regieme. However, in this case it may well be irrelevant as he is probably gay.

Thought this was a serious response for a moment, then I read the last sentence.

As you say "a little filpant".

Tell you what, we'll close it when it suits us, Halion.

[gp2002]

He's been getting personal advice from Thaksin on how to skip the country.

[mrtoad]

Can't believe that there are some defending this pricks actions, but then again it's the usual suspects. This weasel was certainly alert enough to try and cover his ass from the outset, and the 3 mill payout is just another way of trying to avoid any form of genuine legal process. I am sure Yingluck would agree......

[looping]

BILL 999, ARTSI, DRAGONS70,LOOPING.

I think that all of you have relevant points and they have been well made. I would add that the contensious issue appears to be with regard to a "honest days work". Mr RB junior would in my opinion have put in some effort in supporting his position.

Perhaps we can close this by just agreeing that to drop the word "honest" as it is at contra taunt with everything about this case and flies in the face of all we know about elitism in this country. With regard to "Mia Nois" perhaps a little filpant but accepted part of Thai culture at all levels which gives it some relevance owing to the fact that it does require capital to fund your mia noi regieme. However, in this case it may well be irrelevant as he is probably gay.

Thought this was a serious response for a moment, then I read the last sentence.

As you say "a little filpant".

Tell you what, we'll close it when it suits us, Halion.

My apologies for saying that this guy hasn't done an honest days work. I'm sure he had to do hours of research when deciding which Ferrarri to buy, and indeed which colour to go for. As for his official job title, you really think that the future of the RB company would be trusted to a 20 something playboy who does coke on a Sunday evening, or is it possible that he's given a 'title' by his parents to make everyone look good, then given a huge allowance and told to go enjoy himself. Good luck to him, and good luck to you. Here's to an honest days work!

[Halion]

I think that we have to seperate the fusion that ocurs in Thailand with this sort of issue. There is a legal issue and a civil issue both intertwined but never the less seperate.

In the UK action would be the legal issue regarding breach of law and dependant on the judgement then would follow a civil claim for damages based on the ruling of the court in connection with culpability of the accused.

However, in this dream land the wealthy can subvert real justice by making minimal donations to the family and gaining a degree of absolution from the legal system for doing so. The 3 million Baht reportedly donated to the victims family will not bring the victim back but it will go a long way in reducing stress and worry of their everyday life. However/ it is pocket change to this family. It will cost far more to repair his Ferrari but it is just enough to ensure him a get out of jail card. Such is the attitude of this nation.

As for those who wonder as to what kind of man he or his family are the facts speak for themselves.

A hit and run accident at horendous speed draging the victim for more than 60 meters then camily continuing home where in colusion with his family they attempt to subvert justice by trying to deny the police access until the family friendly police officer arrives and inducing an employee to take the blame.

Following this it is found that he has over the legal level of alcohol and is possibly also subject to drug abuse.

Meanwhile the family employee is in custody for giving false evidence and is arraigned for trial the following week.

Meanwhile Sony Jim is free to go about his business .That business is the business of corruption by inducement and the methodology of means to make minimisation of the issues. One of the key means is that of delay, to let the mater dim out of focus in the public eye. There is so much shit and deception that goes on here that within a month it is out of the general publics consiousness. Journalist for reasons best know to themselves drop any form of investigative journalism and wait for the handout from the local police. It requries no stretch of the imagination to conclude that they too will be subjected to some form of inducement in order to gain minimilasition for the charges against the culprit. The more protracted it is the better for the accused Does anyone out there with basic information on this issue believe for a nano second that by paying pocket change to the victims family that that should in any way diminish his recklesness and flagrant disregard for the law. I certainly hope not.

My point in this rant is that there should be seperation from culpability and subsequent restitution and the amount should be determined by law and not by the perpretrators in a side bar discussion with the victims family. I see this as an act of subversion and corruption.

[dcutman]

Just read a nice bit from Yingluck, about the rule of law in Thailand. How it needs to be upheld and enforced.

Does that apply to this case?

[transam]

Just read a nice bit from Yingluck, about the rule of law in Thailand. How it needs to be upheld and enforced.

Does that apply to this case?

Afraid it's all rolox, if you have cash, then all will be fixed. Cash rules for someones new abode.

[mrtoad]

BILL 999, ARTSI, DRAGONS70,LOOPING.

I think that all of you have relevant points and they have been well made. I would add that the contensious issue appears to be with regard to a "honest days work". Mr RB junior would in my opinion have put in some effort in supporting his position.

Perhaps we can close this by just agreeing that to drop the word "honest" as it is at contra taunt with everything about this case and flies in the face of all we know about elitism in this country. With regard to "Mia Nois" perhaps a little filpant but accepted part of Thai culture at all levels which gives it some relevance owing to the fact that it does require capital to fund your mia noi regieme. However, in this case it may well be irrelevant as he is probably gay.

Thought this was a serious response for a moment, then I read the last sentence.

As you say "a little filpant".

Tell you what, we'll close it when it suits us, Halion.

My apologies for saying that this guy hasn't done an honest days work. I'm sure he had to do hours of research when deciding which Ferrarri to buy, and indeed which colour to go for. As for his official job title, you really think that the future of the RB company would be trusted to a 20 something playboy who does coke on a Sunday evening, or is it possible that he's given a 'title' by his parents to make everyone look good, then given a huge allowance and told to go enjoy himself. Good luck to him, and good luck to you. Here's to an honest days work!

As is often the case with family owned business the offspring get important titles, but doesn't mean that they are doing any actual work. Look at who is Prime Minister at the moment for an example.

[noob7]

Just read a nice bit from Yingluck, about the rule of law in Thailand. How it needs to be upheld and enforced.

Does that apply to this case?

This case is from before her statement. And for every next case, the statement had a lifetime like most warranties: You left the location,....!

[ttelise]

Just because he is rich should not mean he is a bad person or believe he is above the law but neither does it mean he is a good person with a good heart.

More obfuscation.

The whole point is that the rich are above the law in Thailand. The system is such that if one has money it can be manipulated or influenced.

Time and time again we see money being used to buy 'justice' from bribes, corruption, payments to victims and donations.

The mindset is that paying money somehow lessens the crime, placates the victims or is sufficient punishment.

Unless the payments are court ordered as part of a punishment, it merely shows the utter failure of a sham of a justice system in Thailand.

Nisa - A bad person would run a person down like a soi dog and leave them for dead and then try and cover it up. A good person would stop and try and render assistance. I would say he is a Rich BAD Person

Good people panic and make mistakes too. Good people along with bad people make bad choices sometimes in life. But if we are going to judge if somebody is a good person on their belief system as opposed to an action taken while panicking or extremely emotional then I would go with a person's belief system ... say somebody whose belief system thinks it it okay to run down a Soi Dog and leave it for dead.

I think it kind of obvious this guy messed up pretty big but again, I'll reserve my judgement on if he is a bad or good person which includes if he has remorse for the damage he has caused and if there is a likelihood he'll driver recklessly or possibly under drugs again or panic and initially run from his responsibilities.

Messed up is accidentally running a red light, not driving while intoxicated and doing illegal drugs, driving recklessly at a high rate of speed, plowing unto another human being unprotected and sitting on the windshield, continuing to drive after dude falls off and gets trapped under car, dragging dude smearing his body into the pavement until he dies, fleeing scene of accident, trying to get someone to take the fall for it, and acting like it is okay to show up for official proceeding on his own time table rather than officials.

That is beyond messed up. To say any differenty and defend those actions says more about the speaker than the actions defended. Dudes actions should be unacceptable on any level and I feel sorry for any segment of a society that would see otherwise.

[Nisa]

That is beyond messed up. To say any differenty and defend those actions says more about the speaker than the actions defended. Dudes actions should be unacceptable on any level and I feel sorry for any segment of a society that would see otherwise.

Did somebody suggest his actions weren't bad? Is somebody defending his actions?

[rbrooks]

It's not also the fact they he will not man up to his charge and take the consequences for his actions but the obvious corrupt justice system in Thailand that allow status and money to be your trump card to escape or minimize punishment.

[spidermike007]

Vorayuth is a tiny, tiny man, with a tiny black heart, a tiny little invisible soul, and a tiny brain, which has a difficult time processing detailed information. He is a miscreant, raised in an environment of tremendous power, and wealth. If the average Thai guy, who comes from a poor family is treated with great respect, due to the simple fortune of being born as a man, and not a woman, can you imagine what kind of respect this midget mind was given during his childhood, where he came to know he was a prince in waiting, so to speak, and an heir to one of Thailand's greatest fortunes? His parents, and guardians obviously did little to prevent this kind of attitude from forming. Imagine how much honor and respect he could have bestowed upon this sorry little Red Bull clan, if he had surrendered at the scene, been arrested, and made a statement that he was willing to take full responsibility for his actions? Like a real man would have done? Like a non shit would have done. Like a person with a heart and soul would have done. Instead this degenerate punk whore does everything in his power to shed responsibility, and at every single turn, he makes not only the wrong moves, but the most cowardly moves possible. He is not a man. He is an insect, and a half girl. He is a shame not only to his family, but to all of Thailand.

[hellodolly]

That is beyond messed up. To say any differenty and defend those actions says more about the speaker than the actions defended. Dudes actions should be unacceptable on any level and I feel sorry for any segment of a society that would see otherwise.

Did somebody suggest his actions weren't bad? Is somebody defending his actions?

No body is defending his actions. That is why I am having such a hard time with all the self righteous posts. He is guilty and he will be processed the same way any one in his position in this country people choose to call home would be.

3,000,000 baht may be a trivial thing to him but to the family it is a lot. I know in the states they might or might not got more money but it would have taken years to get it.

My condolence to the family of the dead officer I sincerely hope they have friends to lean on.

As for the culprit I do hope he gets punishment for his crimes. But that might not be the case. In closing ask yourself would you not also have looked for away out of it even if you had been drug and alcohol free. You might and wouldn't find a way out but I bet at least 50% of the posters would have tried to find a way to get out of it.He just had enoughmoney to put it off for a while.

[Songhua]

That is beyond messed up. To say any differenty and defend those actions says more about the speaker than the actions defended. Dudes actions should be unacceptable on any level and I feel sorry for any segment of a society that would see otherwise.

Did somebody suggest his actions weren't bad? Is somebody defending his actions?

No body is defending his actions. That is why I am having such a hard time with all the self righteous posts. He is guilty and he will be processed the same way any one in his position in this country people choose to call home would be.

3,000,000 baht may be a trivial thing to him but to the family it is a lot. I know in the states they might or might not got more money but it would have taken years to get it.

My condolence to the family of the dead officer I sincerely hope they have friends to lean on.

As for the culprit I do hope he gets punishment for his crimes. But that might not be the case. In closing ask yourself would you not also have looked for away out of it even if you had been drug and alcohol free. You might and wouldn't find a way out but I bet at least 50% of the posters would have tried to find a way to get out of it.He just had enoughmoney to put it off for a while.

I see what you mean here but most people would seek a legal and proper way out of it.

Dragging the victim along the street under your speeding Ferrari, avoiding questioning and implicating one of your lowly staff is not 'legal' or compassionate, regardless of how many millions you give the victim's family.

[Nisa]

That is beyond messed up. To say any differenty and defend those actions says more about the speaker than the actions defended. Dudes actions should be unacceptable on any level and I feel sorry for any segment of a society that would see otherwise.

Did somebody suggest his actions weren't bad? Is somebody defending his actions?

No body is defending his actions. That is why I am having such a hard time with all the self righteous posts. He is guilty and he will be processed the same way any one in his position in this country people choose to call home would be.

3,000,000 baht may be a trivial thing to him but to the family it is a lot. I know in the states they might or might not got more money but it would have taken years to get it.

My condolence to the family of the dead officer I sincerely hope they have friends to lean on.

As for the culprit I do hope he gets punishment for his crimes. But that might not be the case. In closing ask yourself would you not also have looked for away out of it even if you had been drug and alcohol free. You might and wouldn't find a way out but I bet at least 50% of the posters would have tried to find a way to get out of it.He just had enoughmoney to put it off for a while.

I see what you mean here but most people would seek a legal and proper way out of it.

Dragging the victim along the street under your speeding Ferrari, avoiding questioning and implicating one of your lowly staff is not 'legal' or compassionate, regardless of how many millions you give the victim's family.

Is somebody suggesting his illegal actions are something most people do or were legal or compassionate?

But I will make your post relevant by saying the overwhelming vast majority of posters here, if found in a similar situation (under influence kill somebody while driving), would jump at the chance to pay off somebody to make everything go away, if they could afford to, regardless if it a legal pay off or not. Trying to say otherwise is being blatantly unrealistic.

Edited November 2, 2012 by Nisa

[noob7]

My condolence to the family of the dead officer I sincerely hope they have friends to lean on.

A friend, like Dexter, would be a real friend. For Thailand!

[softgeorge]

NISA -

So you are speaking for the majority on here are you? Just how many of us do you actually know outside of the computer? I guess you personally know the majority otherwise you would not be qualified to speak for the majority. Actually I think the majority, but not speaking for the majority know that in a civilised society that attempting to pay off victims to make things go away is an offence (Pervert the course of justice) Why don't you run a poll on here and ask the majority who would attempt to pay off victims to turn the other cheek. What you are saying is the mority of us have no principles, are corrupt and dishonest.

Edited November 3, 2012 by softgeorge

[ttelise]

That is beyond messed up. To say any differenty and defend those actions says more about the speaker than the actions defended. Dudes actions should be unacceptable on any level and I feel sorry for any segment of a society that would see otherwise.

Did somebody suggest his actions weren't bad? Is somebody defending his actions?

No body is defending his actions. That is why I am having such a hard time with all the self righteous posts. He is guilty and he will be processed the same way any one in his position in this country people choose to call home would be.

3,000,000 baht may be a trivial thing to him but to the family it is a lot. I know in the states they might or might not got more money but it would have taken years to get it.

My condolence to the family of the dead officer I sincerely hope they have friends to lean on.

As for the culprit I do hope he gets punishment for his crimes. But that might not be the case. In closing ask yourself would you not also have looked for away out of it even if you had been drug and alcohol free. You might and wouldn't find a way out but I bet at least 50% of the posters would have tried to find a way to get out of it.He just had enoughmoney to put it off for a while.

Not take years to get money in states on those facts. Insurance company would tender limits and may even get a bit into excess if a million is in first layer of coverage.

Only takes years when issues such as liability, medical causation or unreasonable demand at issue. My firm has been in trenches doing insurance defense for years. Certain things are settled very quickly and this one fits all those criteria. Even Nationwide or Geico would tender on those facts.

Edited November 3, 2012 by ttelise

[DocN]

"But I will make your post relevant by saying the overwhelming vast majority of posters here, if found in a similar situation (under influence kill somebody while driving), would jump at the chance to pay off somebody to make everything go away, if they could afford to, regardless if it a legal pay off or not. Trying to say otherwise is being blatantly unrealistic."

Speak for yourself, man! You are NOT speaking for me!

[softgeorge]

"But I will make your post relevant by saying the overwhelming vast majority of posters here, if found in a similar situation (under influence kill somebody while driving), would jump at the chance to pay off somebody to make everything go away, if they could afford to, regardless if it a legal pay off or not. Trying to say otherwise is being blatantly unrealistic."

Speak for yourself, man! You are NOT speaking for me!

Well that is 3 of us against 2 so I guess we are the Majority and it has blown Nisa's theory straight out the window.

Edited November 3, 2012 by softgeorge

[ttelise]

NISA -

So you are speaking for the majority on here are you? Just how many of us do you actually know outside of the computer? I guess you personally know the majority otherwise you would not be qualified to speak for the majority. Actually I think the majority, but not speaking for the majority know that in a civilised society that attempting to pay off victims to make things go away is an offence (Pervert the course of justice) Why don't you run a poll on here and ask the majority who would attempt to pay off victims to turn the other cheek. What you are saying is the mority of us have no principles, are corrupt and dishonest.

The problem is he should pay victims appropriate compensation and go to jail. Paying civil liability or ability should not circumvent prosecution for criminal liability or impact criminal punishment. That's just more f'ed crap that leads to uneven handed application of the law.

If you think it's that way in the states, you either watch too much TV or got you head up your backside. Rich white collar dudes are getting hammered for crimes every day in US for much less than what this dude did.

So NISA's question or poll is more malignant morally lacking rhetoric because society should not place one in the position of deciding that issue. Ability to pay off victims should not have any impact on whatsoever on punishment metted out.

Edited November 3, 2012 by ttelise

[softgeorge]

NISA -

So you are speaking for the majority on here are you? Just how many of us do you actually know outside of the computer? I guess you personally know the majority otherwise you would not be qualified to speak for the majority. Actually I think the majority, but not speaking for the majority know that in a civilised society that attempting to pay off victims to make things go away is an offence (Pervert the course of justice) Why don't you run a poll on here and ask the majority who would attempt to pay off victims to turn the other cheek. What you are saying is the mority of us have no principles, are corrupt and dishonest.

The problem is he should pay victims appropriate compensation and go to jail. Paying civil liability or ability to pay off victims should not circumvent prosecution for criminal liability or impact criminal punishment. That's just more f'ed crap that leads to uneven handed application of the law.

If you think it's that way in the states, you either watch too much TV or got you head up your backside. Rich white collar dudes are getting hammered for crimes every day in US for much less than what this dude did.

I never even mentioned the states or even implied that rich folk in the U.S get off with crimes, in fact I didn't even mention any country in my post.

Actually I agree with you that he should face prosecution and money or compensation should not even be considered or mentioned until well after the criminal case has been finalised this includes appeal periods. If the prosection had any balls and wanted a fair and impartial trial then they would obtain a suspresion order preventing the offender from approaching the family and attempting to pay them off prior to criminal proceedings. Personally I would be charging them with perverting the course of justice.

[ttelise]

NISA -

So you are speaking for the majority on here are you? Just how many of us do you actually know outside of the computer? I guess you personally know the majority otherwise you would not be qualified to speak for the majority. Actually I think the majority, but not speaking for the majority know that in a civilised society that attempting to pay off victims to make things go away is an offence (Pervert the course of justice) Why don't you run a poll on here and ask the majority who would attempt to pay off victims to turn the other cheek. What you are saying is the mority of us have no principles, are corrupt and dishonest.

The problem is he should pay victims appropriate compensation and go to jail. Paying civil liability or ability to pay off victims should not circumvent prosecution for criminal liability or impact criminal punishment. That's just more f'ed crap that leads to uneven handed application of the law.

If you think it's that way in the states, you either watch too much TV or got you head up your backside. Rich white collar dudes are getting hammered for crimes every day in US for much less than what this dude did.

I never even mentioned the states or even implied that rich folk in the U.S get off with crimes, in fact I didn't even mention any country in my post.

Actually I agree with you that he should face prosecution and money or compensation should not even be considered or mentioned until well after the criminal case has been finalised this includes appeal periods. If the prosection had any balls and wanted a fair and impartial trial then they would obtain a suspresion order preventing the offender from approaching the family and attempting to pay them off prior to criminal proceedings. Personally I would be charging them with perverting the course of justice.

Sorry that it sounded like I implied you mentioned the states.. Yeah you didn't mention.. I just anticipated it coming from a couple of other on this thread who usually do throw that out.