The Clattenburg Conspiracy

[StevieH]

So calling for a Mikel ban, huh? Do some of you possess logic and rationale or just a tub of lard between your ears?

What we know.

1. Mikel was told he was racially abused on the pitch.

In light of the Terry saga, what are CFC supposed to do?

Option 1.

Tell Mikel to forget about it. This would probably been the best suggestion in the light of the evidence BUT, I can see the headlines, Chelsea tell Mikel to ignore racial abuse! Yeah, that would be good for the club.

Option 2

Pursue the case to show they agree that racial abuse needs to be stamped out.

As for jacknd arguement that why it wasn't sorted out on the pitch. Yeah good idea. Mikel finds out what Ramires and Luiz heard after the incident, so Mikel stops playing football to go and argue with the ref. Brilliant!

As for Mikel being sued. Well, the case is on his behalf by the club, not by him personally, duuurrr...

Do you really think professional players (also in the case of those involved, players that are not known as troublemakers) would cook up a story that would potentially end their careers??

1. there was no 'evidence' it was total and utter hearsay.

2. the bit in bold - chelsea had a chance to do that by removing the captaincy from john terry and sacking him. but they didn't, did they.

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and oh look, here's a shock. "police drop investigation into mark clattenburg racism claim, find 'no evidence an offence has been committed'".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/13/police-mark-clattenburg-chelsea-abuse

Mark Clattenburg will not face police action for his alleged use of racist language towards the Chelsea midfielder Mikel John Obi last month. The Metropolitan Police announced that it had dropped its investigation after no victim came forward.

The Football Association said that the Met's decision had no bearing on its own inquiry, which it launched in the wake of the allegation that Clattenburg, the referee, had called Mikel "a monkey" during Chelsea's home defeat by Manchester United on 28 October. The referee is understood to have strenuously denied the allegations.

The FA's investigation continues and it hopes to be in a position either to bring a charge or to drop the matter by the end of the week. "We are still completing our investigation," a spokesman said. Chelsea had demanded that the FA takes action after instigating an internal review into the affair, which was helped by external legal counsel.

The Met opened its investigation after it received a third party complaint from the Society of Black Lawyers, which wrote to ask them to "see if a racially-aggravated offence has occurred". The Met started to investigate on 30 October and, having stated that it would liaise with Chelsea and the FA, it conducted a number of interviews, notably with Clattenburg and Mikel.

At no point, though, over the past two weeks has anybody from Chelsea or the FA made an official complaint to support the allegation of a crime and, as such, it said that its investigation had come to a natural conclusion. Clattenburg, who will not take charge of a match this weekend for the third week in succession, has strongly denied the accusation.

"Inquires were made and no victims have come forward," the Met said in a statement. "The matter will remain as a recorded incident. Without a victim and/or any evidence that any offence has been committed, the matter cannot currently be investigated. If the situation changes and a victim and/or evidence to support an allegation of a crime comes to police attention, then further inquiries will, if appropriate, be made."

The announcement by the police came on a day when Chelsea's chairman, Bruce Buck, had claimed the club were not hypocrites for supporting their captain, John Terry, in the wake of racism allegations while also lodging a complaint against Clattenburg.

Buck said Chelsea had a "duty of care" to Terry even if he has done something wrong – the Football Association banned him for four matches for racially abusing QPR's Anton Ferdinand – and that the club would have been "crucified" had they not reported the allegation that Clattenburg used inappropriate language interpreted as racist towards Mikel.

"Suppose we had tried to sweep this under the rug and said to the various players: 'Look, it's not a big deal and the press are going to be all over us. Maybe you want to reconsider.' If that had leaked out, we would've really been crucified," he told the Evening Standard.

"The press seem to juxtapose 'our support' of John Terry and what's going on here and looking at us as being a bit hypocritical. We have to divorce the John Terry situation from this. From our perspective the latest situation was pretty straightforward. We have an obligation to report what may be misconduct. We did that, in good faith and not maliciously."

[carmine]

So calling for a Mikel ban, huh? Do some of you possess logic and rationale or just a tub of lard between your ears?

What we know.

1. Mikel was told he was racially abused on the pitch.

In light of the Terry saga, what are CFC supposed to do?

Option 1.

Tell Mikel to forget about it. This would probably been the best suggestion in the light of the evidence BUT, I can see the headlines, Chelsea tell Mikel to ignore racial abuse! Yeah, that would be good for the club.

Option 2

Pursue the case to show they agree that racial abuse needs to be stamped out.

As for jacknd arguement that why it wasn't sorted out on the pitch. Yeah good idea. Mikel finds out what Ramires and Luiz heard after the incident, so Mikel stops playing football to go and argue with the ref. Brilliant!

As for Mikel being sued. Well, the case is on his behalf by the club, not by him personally, duuurrr...

Do you really think professional players (also in the case of those involved, players that are not known as troublemakers) would cook up a story that would potentially end their careers??

Sorry my friend but you are hopelessly off the mark.

The police have now dropped their investigation due to LACK OF ANY EVIDENCE....<deleted>

So your club filed charges against a match official in the knowledge that there was infact no evidence.Clearly happy to tarnish his career in pursuit of your own murky agenda

Then it leads to the conclusion that your club has pursued another agenda linked to their dismal disciplining of your captain in showing sour grapes over his abuse of ferdinand, which also blatently gives the finger to the "Kick racism out of football".

The FA is going to have to make an example of CFC and no amount of russian backhanders will "hopefully" get in the way of this. Perverting the course of justice and bringing the game into disrepute. A fitting punishment should be relegation to the championship. Do i expect it to happen? No, because you are not a Soton or a Wigan. Should it happen? Without a doubt..

Just edited to add what a pathetic, woeful response by Bruce Buck saying that if they hadn't complained they would have been crucified!!!!!!! For what you idiot? There was no evidence of anything in the first place! Now he's treating anyone like they're a complete idiot!

Edited November 14, 2012 by carmine

[mjj]

What makes you think Chelsea want a conviction?

Maybe, just maybe CFC just wanted to be seen to be doing the right thing.

Carmine, CFC did NOT file a police complaint. The police were just investigating to see if a 'crime' had been committed.

Edited November 14, 2012 by mjj

[carmine]

What makes you think Chelsea want a conviction?

Maybe, just maybe CFC just wanted to be seen to be doing the right thing.

Carmine, CFC did NOT file a police complaint. The police were just investigating to see if a 'crime' had been committed.

If Chelsea didn't file a complaint why did Bruce Buck say they did and they did because if they hadn't they would have been crucified?!

Where on earth do you get to the conclusion that this was not driven by Chelsea FC?

Are you saying that everyone from all the newspapers to your CEO is lying about you filing a complaint?

Edited November 14, 2012 by carmine

[mjj]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

[carmine]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

Oh so the complaint was made to the FA by Chelsea then. Not splitting hairs then are we!!

So basically the complaint was made by Chelsea. It was made without any evidence. the police have had their time wasted and the FA should deal with Chelsea accordingly

[StevieH]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

Oh so the complaint was made to the FA by Chelsea then. Not splitting hairs then are we!!

So basically the complaint was made by Chelsea. It was made without any evidence. the police have had their time wasted and the FA should deal with Chelsea accordingly

chelsea made the complaint to the FA because it was the FA that convicted and banned terry. if they'd gone to the police with such an unfounded accusation i suspect they could have been charged with wasting police time. that or they'd have been laughed out of the building altogether.

[carmine]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

Oh so the complaint was made to the FA by Chelsea then. Not splitting hairs then are we!!

So basically the complaint was made by Chelsea. It was made without any evidence. the police have had their time wasted and the FA should deal with Chelsea accordingly

chelsea made the complaint to the FA because it was the FA that convicted and banned terry. if they'd gone to the police with such an unfounded accusation i suspect they could have been charged with wasting police time. that or they'd have been laughed out of the building altogether.

Yes thats pretty much sums it up.

Well if they don't issue a public apology then the punishment should be much greater. Mindyou i have to remind myself of their ambivalence and subsequent leniency towards Terry.

[sumrit]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

Chelsea made the complaint to the FA and the Society of Black Lawyers made the complaint to the Police. The Police then had a duty to investigate the complaint and invited Chelsea FC to provide any evidence they have. Because Chelsea have failed in their duty to supply any evidence the Police have now dropped their investigation.

Now I just wonder if Chelsea don't have any evidence to give to the FA why haven't they dropped the complaint?

And, if Chelsea have no 'hidden agenda', why would they want to continue to put Clattenburg though this?

But if they do have evidence why have they refused to give it to the Police because that would be obstructing the Police during their investigation?

Either way Chelsea have dug themselves into a big hole.

If there's no evidence the FA should punish Chelsea severely for wasting their time while Clattenburg would be within his rights to sue them.

If however there is evidence and they failed to supply it the Police should charge Chelsea with obstructing them during an investigation of a complaint.

I think Chelsea wish they had never heard of the Society of Black Lawyers.

Edited November 14, 2012 by sumrit

[carmine]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

Chelsea made the complaint to the FA and the Society of Black Lawyers made the complaint to the Police. The Police then had a duty to investigate the complaint and invited Chelsea FC to provide any evidence they have. Because Chelsea have failed in their duty to supply any evidence the Police have now dropped their investigation.

Now I just wonder if Chelsea don't have any evidence to give to the FA why haven't they dropped the complaint?

And, if Chelsea have no 'hidden agenda', why would they want to continue to put Clattenburg though this?

But if they do have evidence why have they refused to give it to the Police because that would be obstructing the Police during their investigation?

Either way Chelsea have dug themselves into a big hole.

If there's no evidence the FA should punish Chelsea severely for wasting their time while Clattenburg would be within his rights to sue them.

If however there is evidence and they failed to supply it the Police should charge Chelsea with obstructing them during an investigation of a complaint.

I think Chelsea wish they had never heard of the Society of Black Lawyers.

Yes it puts the club in a very dim light. A mate of mine, Chelsea fan is mortified by the behaviour of the club he's supported for forty years and who can blame him.

You'd have thought that Abramovich would have taken independant advice and stepped in a lot earlier for damage control lest they show themselves to be totally and utterlt rotten to the core. A good start would be to sack Bruce Buck.

Edited November 14, 2012 by carmine

[smokie36]

Great isn't it!

[mjj]

Hidden agenda? And what would that be? CFC new that nothing good would come of this.

Lets just suppose the FA decided to ban Clatterberg. Now what happens to Chelsea? Any marginal decision for a ref will go against them.

Everyone seems to need an enemy and chelsea are just that.

Don't punish terry other than a record fine, racist club.

Follow racist abuse, stupid racist club.

Don't follow abuse claim, racist club.

Is that about right?

You lot are like a bunch of curtain twitchers. :-)

[mjj]

Brace yourselves! It gets worse.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20321225

[crazykopite]

The police have dropped the case brought by the BLS and it is expected that the FA will make an announcement in the next 36 hours. In my humble opinion Chelsea have made themselves look like fools and if it is true that someone from Chelsea threatened to break the legs of the ref I hope they are punished for threatning language Chelsea have banned a supportor for life for racial abuse against Drogba and it looks like the same could happen to the guy who did a monkey stance against a manc player however Terry remains the captain and we all heard and saw what he said to AF it seeems Chelsea suit themselves when it comes to who they are going to punish. I for one expect MC to be told that he is in the clear where does that leave Chelsea dare I say with a large amount of egg on there face !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rijit]

So calling for a Mikel ban, huh? Do some of you possess logic and rationale or just a tub of lard between your ears?

What we know.

1. Mikel was told he was racially abused on the pitch.

In light of the Terry saga, what are CFC supposed to do?

Option 1.

Tell Mikel to forget about it. This would probably been the best suggestion in the light of the evidence BUT, I can see the headlines, Chelsea tell Mikel to ignore racial abuse! Yeah, that would be good for the club.

Option 2

Pursue the case to show they agree that racial abuse needs to be stamped out.

As for jacknd arguement that why it wasn't sorted out on the pitch. Yeah good idea. Mikel finds out what Ramires and Luiz heard after the incident, so Mikel stops playing football to go and argue with the ref. Brilliant!

As for Mikel being sued. Well, the case is on his behalf by the club, not by him personally, duuurrr...

Do you really think professional players (also in the case of those involved, players that are not known as troublemakers) would cook up a story that would potentially end their careers??

Sorry my friend but you are hopelessly off the mark.

The police have now dropped their investigation due to LACK OF ANY EVIDENCE....<deleted>

So your club filed charges against a match official in the knowledge that there was infact no evidence.Clearly happy to tarnish his career in pursuit of your own murky agenda

Then it leads to the conclusion that your club has pursued another agenda linked to their dismal disciplining of your captain in showing sour grapes over his abuse of ferdinand, which also blatently gives the finger to the "Kick racism out of football".

The FA is going to have to make an example of CFC and no amount of russian backhanders will "hopefully" get in the way of this. Perverting the course of justice and bringing the game into disrepute. A fitting punishment should be relegation to the championship. Do i expect it to happen? No, because you are not a Soton or a Wigan. Should it happen? Without a doubt..

Just edited to add what a pathetic, woeful response by Bruce Buck saying that if they hadn't complained they would have been crucified!!!!!!! For what you idiot? There was no evidence of anything in the first place! Now he's treating anyone like they're a complete idiot!

Idiot, I think not, Buck is right if they hadn't lodged the players complaint they would/could have later been open to accusations of covering up racial abuse.

[JacknDanny]

So calling for a Mikel ban, huh? Do some of you possess logic and rationale or just a tub of lard between your ears?

What we know.

1. Mikel was told he was racially abused on the pitch.

In light of the Terry saga, what are CFC supposed to do?

Option 1.

Tell Mikel to forget about it. This would probably been the best suggestion in the light of the evidence BUT, I can see the headlines, Chelsea tell Mikel to ignore racial abuse! Yeah, that would be good for the club.

Option 2

Pursue the case to show they agree that racial abuse needs to be stamped out.

As for jacknd arguement that why it wasn't sorted out on the pitch. Yeah good idea. Mikel finds out what Ramires and Luiz heard after the incident, so Mikel stops playing football to go and argue with the ref. Brilliant!

As for Mikel being sued. Well, the case is on his behalf by the club, not by him personally, duuurrr...

Do you really think professional players (also in the case of those involved, players that are not known as troublemakers) would cook up a story that would potentially end their careers??

Sorry my friend but you are hopelessly off the mark.

The police have now dropped their investigation due to LACK OF ANY EVIDENCE....<deleted>

So your club filed charges against a match official in the knowledge that there was infact no evidence.Clearly happy to tarnish his career in pursuit of your own murky agenda

Then it leads to the conclusion that your club has pursued another agenda linked to their dismal disciplining of your captain in showing sour grapes over his abuse of ferdinand, which also blatently gives the finger to the "Kick racism out of football".

The FA is going to have to make an example of CFC and no amount of russian backhanders will "hopefully" get in the way of this. Perverting the course of justice and bringing the game into disrepute. A fitting punishment should be relegation to the championship. Do i expect it to happen? No, because you are not a Soton or a Wigan. Should it happen? Without a doubt..

Just edited to add what a pathetic, woeful response by Bruce Buck saying that if they hadn't complained they would have been crucified!!!!!!! For what you idiot? There was no evidence of anything in the first place! Now he's treating anyone like they're a complete idiot!

Idiot, I think not, Buck is right if they hadn't lodged the players complaint they would/could have later been open to accusations of covering up racial abuse.

He is not an idiot. He is a raving lunatic!!

How many players heard the 'racial abuse'? ONE, and his understanding of English is poor. Have you ever heard a Geordie say 'Monkey'. Sounds nothing like the way John Terry would say it. So who does Ramires go to speak to to try and understand what was said? David Luiz!!

Its total nonsense. A lawyer, as Buck is, understands things like 'balance of probability' and 'burden of proof' etc etc. They could easily have done an internal investigation and put it down to a probable mishearing and misunderstanding.

But guess what, they had just got beat with a few dodgy decisions, and they were still reeling from the JT decision, so they concoct all this nonsense and BS!!

Its a joke from top to bottom.

[Chicog]

They are looking absolutely pathetic at the moment. What a ****ing shambles. I hope the FA defecate all over them.

And as for this brain dead douche:

Mark Clattenburg: Chelsea & FA accused of cover-up

Chelsea and the Football Association have been accused of a "cover-up" for not referring alleged comments by referee Mark Clattenburg to the police.

The Metropolitan Police has dropped its investigation into a complaint that Clattenburg used "inappropriate language" towards two Chelsea players.

The complaint was made to the police by the Society of Black Lawyers.

"It sounds remarkably like a football cover-up," the society's chairman Peter Herbert told BBC Radio 5 live.

No you moron, it sounds remarkably like nothing happened!

Edited November 14, 2012 by Chicog

[mjj]

Jacknd, how do you do an internal investigation when one party is external?

I guess you would make a good boss. "Nah mate, I fink you got it wrong, back to work."

[rijit]

He is not an idiot. He is a raving lunatic!!

How many players heard the 'racial abuse'? ONE, and his understanding of English is poor. Have you ever heard a Geordie say 'Monkey'. Sounds nothing like the way John Terry would say it. So who does Ramires go to speak to to try and understand what was said? David Luiz!!

Its total nonsense. A lawyer, as Buck is, understands things like 'balance of probability' and 'burden of proof' etc etc. They could easily have done an internal investigation and put it down to a probable mishearing and misunderstanding.

But guess what, they had just got beat with a few dodgy decisions, and they were still reeling from the JT decision, so they concoct all this nonsense and BS!!

Its a joke from top to bottom.

So your saying he wasn't right to report it to the fa?.I'm not disagreeing with most of your content jacky, but surely you can see buck had no option but to pass it over to the fa and anything else could and probably would have been misinterpreted.

Edited November 14, 2012 by rijit

[rijit]

Even with what duck did the morality brigade are swooping,

#

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20321225

[rijit]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

So basically the complaint was made by Chelsea. It was made without any evidence. the police have had their time wasted and the FA should deal with Chelsea accordingly

The 'evidence' was the statement made by the player, and irrespective of anyone's personal

opinion, once the statement was made to them, it wasn't the clubs place to question it , its

duty was to hand it over to the fa for them to investigate and for them to make a ruling on

it..

Edited November 14, 2012 by rijit

[JacknDanny]

Jacknd, how do you do an internal investigation when one party is external?

I guess you would make a good boss. "Nah mate, I fink you got it wrong, back to work."

Are you for real? Seriously?

You sit the players down and you ascertain who heard what. If you are relying on 1 player who does not really understand English that well, who MAYBE hears a person with a Geordie accent say "Shut up Monkey", and even then he has to ask another player!!! Surely you can see that this aint going anywhere!!

Its either stupid and naive or deliberately falsifying what happened

[JacknDanny]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

So basically the complaint was made by Chelsea. It was made without any evidence. the police have had their time wasted and the FA should deal with Chelsea accordingly

The 'evidence' was the statement made by the player, and irrespective of anyone's personal

opinion, once the statement was made to them, it wasn't the clubs place to question it , its

duty was to hand it over to the fa for them to investigate and for them to make a ruling on

it..

So what was the statement?

"My name is Mikkel. I was playing football on Sunday, and we had a cr@p ref, giving us no decisions, and sending 2 of my mates off. At the end of the game, my mate Ramires said he heard the ref say something during the game , but as he doesnt speak English, and he wasnt sure what he said, he asked my other mate David. David told him that the ref called me a Monkey.

In view of what happened to my captain JT, I decided to complain, even though I never heard the ref call me a name, nor did any of my other mates, but my mate Ramires must be right, innit"

[salty]

A sensible observation made by John Barnes.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4644125/John-Barnes-Society-of-Black-Lawyers-should-stick-to-law.html

[mjj]

Now your just being a donut.

So you are saying its all a conspiracy because of what happened to JT and the refs/linesmans mistakes. Even though cfc know nothing can be proven and nothing will happen.

I know players can get over excited on the pitch, but for the likes of Mikel, Luiz and Ramires - who have never had gutter press - do you really think they just decided to try and ruin someone's career?

If you do, what about the players mentioned character leads you to believe that?

It's football. Whilst bad decisions happen for and against teams and it is very frustrating, I don't believe the players are as bitter as you.

[rijit]

The complaint was made to the FA, not the police.

So basically the complaint was made by Chelsea. It was made without any evidence. the police have had their time wasted and the FA should deal with Chelsea accordingly

The 'evidence' was the statement made by the player, and irrespective of anyone's personal

opinion, once the statement was made to them, it wasn't the clubs place to question it , its

duty was to hand it over to the fa for them to investigate and for them to make a ruling on

it..

So what was the statement?

"My name is Mikkel. I was playing football on Sunday, and we had a cr@p ref, giving us no decisions, and sending 2 of my mates off. At the end of the game, my mate Ramires said he heard the ref say something during the game , but as he doesnt speak English, and he wasnt sure what he said, he asked my other mate David. David told him that the ref called me a Monkey.

In view of what happened to my captain JT, I decided to complain, even though I never heard the ref call me a name, nor did any of my other mates, but my mate Ramires must be right, innit"

just to start i'm no fan of abramovic or the chavs But The player made a complaint to the club, the club acted correctly they passed the complaint on to the relevant authorities, and they are either made or are making a ruling. again I REPEAT the club acted correctly.. .

Edited November 14, 2012 by rijit

[sumrit]

The 'evidence' was the statement made by the player, and irrespective of anyone's personal

opinion, once the statement was made to them, it wasn't the clubs place to question it , its

duty was to hand it over to the fa for them to investigate and for them to make a ruling on

it..

I don't have a problem with Chelsea handing over the 'evidence' to the FA if they believe that evidence to be honest, truthful and accurate.

I do however have a problem with Chelsea holding a press conference and broadcasting the 'evidence' to the world before handing it over to the FA.

JUST WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT??

[rijit]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr interupted me copying bob seger!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok Enlighten me, what would you expect them to do?

[smokie36]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr interupted me copying bob seger!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok Enlighten me, what would you expect them to do?

Come on rij....surely you want them relegated/docked points/placed in the stocks for a week.......!

[rijit]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRrr interupted me copying bob seger!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok Enlighten me, what would you expect them to do?

Come on rij....surely you want them relegated/docked points/placed in the stocks for a week.......!

Ide luv 2 do a double yoker on abramoivic's ugly mug. But seriously, the chavs did the right thing and still people get irrate!! but can u imagine if they didnt report it the morally correct brigade would have a field day and jacky would need at least a double bypass !!!!

Edited November 14, 2012 by rijit