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Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per dime.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons,

Ten whole cents! that 's nearly 3 baht.

Have no idea how much they received.None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway.However you can bet your bottom dollar that if redshirt rally members received any contribution at all the usual suspects would be arguing their motives were purely mercenary (indeed that's precisely what they do argue)

Cute! By replying to an earlier post you avoid the question of where this information came from, preferring a slip into another subject. But I'm still asking.

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Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per dime.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons,

Ten whole cents! that 's nearly 3 baht.

Have no idea how much they received.None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway.However you can bet your bottom dollar that if redshirt rally members received any contribution at all the usual suspects would be arguing their motives were purely mercenary (indeed that's precisely what they do argue)

Cute! By replying to an earlier post you avoid the question of where this information came from, preferring a slip into another subject. But I'm still asking.

It's been widely reported including the other paper.Talk about "cute".I have gone out of my way to say the payment of modest expenses is a complete non issue and yet you focus on it to the exclusion of everyhthing else, including the lies and hypocrisy of the Pitak Siam's fascist platform.

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Jayboy is one of these internet characters that feeds on winding others up. it is clear from almost every word in every post. Ignore him, you all know he is wrong, he is sat back getting cheap thrills from winding people up. Sad, I know but there are many on the net that do it.

And equally there are those who rely on personal abuse when they cannot address rational and well made arguments

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Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per dime.Unlike the usual suspects I wouldn't for a moment suggest they were attending for mercenary reasons,

Actually you seem the first to say this. Far be it from me to suggest that it appears to give you a chance not suggest some can be bought. It's just obvious [sic] your source of information is better than mine. Would you care to elaborate on why it 'appears' ? wai.gif

My information does seem to be better than yours.Only recently you surprised me by stating in capital letters that the current political difficulties are all about Thaksin.Surprising because although we have differing political views I frankly did not expect this rather bone headed mantra from you.The most intelligent Democrats like Abhisit and Korn, much though they loathe the man would certainly not take this view.It's akin to saying the Russian Revolution was all about Lenin, as though the conditions permitting the upheaval did not exist.Be aware that"cause" and "catalyst" are different concepts, and that similar upheavals have occurred before Thaksin and no doubt will after him.

As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces.It's a non issue - the amount was small and nobody is suggesting attendees were "bussed in" or didn't want to be there.

Dear jayboy, I never state anything in capital letters. This may have escaped you, but it's against forum rules.

As for funding, 'funding, I think it was widely reported'. Well, reading a bit I cannot find a trace of that. Maybe you just saved yourself by having the 'I think' included. In the mean time, I consider it pure and utter nonsense. If you find a link and can't post, just PM me. wai.gif

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Things might really be hotting up a lot more than many farang realise. The headline of today's Thai Rath (the largest selling newspaper) has the following interesting headline:

" Khwanchai (member of anti govt group) Reveals the Mob's (his mob that is) Plan:

Arrest the PM!.......Burn the Parliament Building!.......... Seize Govt House!!

Create the Conditions for a Coup!

Provoke the Reds to Gather Their Forces for an Attack!"

Thought some of you might find this interesting. Nothing newsworthy of course in the English language press......as usual.

Red Shirt Leader Kwanchai up to his old antics... :ermm:

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Thai Rath (article in Thai) - November 17, 2012

http://www.thairath.co.th/content/region/306759

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Actually you seem the first to say this. Far be it from me to suggest that it appears to give you a chance not suggest some can be bought. It's just obvious [sic] your source of information is better than mine.

Do you have link in regard to this modest payment?

Cute! By replying to an earlier post you avoid the question of where this information came from, preferring a slip into another subject. But I'm still asking.

As for funding, 'funding, I think it was widely reported'. Well, reading a bit I cannot find a trace of that. Maybe you just saved yourself by having the 'I think' included.

Repeated requests with no definitive reply, only deflections of

"widely reported" (should be extremely easy then to supply a quote and/or link)

"the other paper" (yet it doesn't occur anywhere in searches of their database)

and finishing with a backpedal to it's now somehow

"a complete non issue"

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How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda of their idols.A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid,hardly the critical issue and one that nobody is interested in.will the usual subjects defend the anti democratic agendas of the dinosaurs.No they won't - best look for a a meaningless quarrel that might divert attention from their masters agenda

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How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda of their idols.A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid,hardly the critical issue and one that nobody is interested in.will the usual subjects defend the anti democratic agendas of the dinosaurs.No they won't - best look for a a meaningless quarrel that might divert attention from their masters agenda

After you do that quick internet search, feel free to post a link to make us all feel humble.

You seem to have woven a tangled web, and caught yourself in it.

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How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda of their idols.A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid,hardly the critical issue and one that nobody is interested in.will the usual subjects defend the anti democratic agendas of the dinosaurs.No they won't - best look for a a meaningless quarrel that might divert attention from their masters agenda

After you do that quick internet search, feel free to post a link to make us all feel humble.

You seem to have woven a tangled web, and caught yourself in it.

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Er not really.check out the other paper search facility before you make more of a fool of yourself

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A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid

Removing all the other hubris from your post, perhaps you've missed that others have tried internet searches and turned up nothing.

Can you simply provide a link to even just a couple of quotes of your alleged "widely distributed" news?

It's not difficult and very routine (I dare say, expected) to do so when one interjects new information into a news forum thread.

It shouldn't require five requests to follow normal netiquette... but it has. Thus far, without success.

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A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid

Removing all the other hubris from your post, perhaps you've missed that others have tried internet searches and turned up nothing.

Can you simply provide a link to even just a couple of quotes of your alleged "widely distributed" news?

It's not difficult and very routine (I dare say, expected) to do so when one interjects new information into a news forum thread.

It shouldn't require five requests to follow normal netiquette... but it has. Thus far, without success.

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Oh dear poor Sriracha Jack had forgotten how to use the Bangkok Post search facility.Never mind.

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After you do that quick internet search, feel free to post a link to make us all feel humble.

You seem to have woven a tangled web, and caught yourself in it.

Six requests now and still the refusal to follow netiquette continues with the formerly "widely reported" news now apparently only restricted to the other paper and even that returns negative search results.

Surgically extracting wisdom teeth is less troublesome.

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Jayboy is one of these internet characters that feeds on winding others up. it is clear from almost every word in every post. Ignore him, you all know he is wrong, he is sat back getting cheap thrills from winding people up. Sad, I know but there are many on the net that do it.

And equally there are those who rely on personal abuse when they cannot address rational and well made arguments

There was no personal abuse, and so far no rational well made argument....from you, so when there is I may address it.

Is it possible to bar fine anyone that continues to overuse the term 'Usual Suspects"?

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Jayboy is one of these internet characters that feeds on winding others up. it is clear from almost every word in every post. Ignore him, you all know he is wrong, he is sat back getting cheap thrills from winding people up. Sad, I know but there are many on the net that do it.

And equally there are those who rely on personal abuse when they cannot address rational and well made arguments

There was no personal abuse, and so far no rational well made argument....from you, so when there is I may address it.

Others will be the judge of that but I am flattered you are keen on bar fining me.

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A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid

Removing all the other hubris from your post, perhaps you've missed that others have tried internet searches and turned up nothing.

Can you simply provide a link to even just a couple of quotes of your alleged "widely distributed" news?

It's not difficult and very routine (I dare say, expected) to do so when one interjects new information into a news forum thread.

It shouldn't require five requests to follow normal netiquette... but it has. Thus far, without success..

Oh dear poor Sriracha Jack had forgotten how to use the Bangkok Post search facility.Never mind.

A search on the other site just gave me

"He denied claims that the rally was being funded by the same group who financed the Sept 19, 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra government, or with money from illegal casinos or the drug trade. The rally would be purely voluntary, he added."

That seems a bit different from your

"Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem"

"Have no idea how much they received."

"None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway"

"As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces."

"It's been widely reported including the other paper."

"How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda"

Praise, og wise one, tell us the secret of your searching success wai.gif

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A quick internet search would indicate expenses are being paid

Removing all the other hubris from your post, perhaps you've missed that others have tried internet searches and turned up nothing.

Can you simply provide a link to even just a couple of quotes of your alleged "widely distributed" news?

It's not difficult and very routine (I dare say, expected) to do so when one interjects new information into a news forum thread.

It shouldn't require five requests to follow normal netiquette... but it has. Thus far, without success..

Oh dear poor Sriracha Jack had forgotten how to use the Bangkok Post search facility.Never mind.

A search on the other site just gave me

"He denied claims that the rally was being funded by the same group who financed the Sept 19, 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra government, or with money from illegal casinos or the drug trade. The rally would be purely voluntary, he added."

That seems a bit different from your

"Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem"

"Have no idea how much they received."

"None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway"

"As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces."

"It's been widely reported including the other paper."

"How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda"

Praise, og wise one, tell us the secret of your searching success wai.gif

I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

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I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

So, Korkaew saying that red shirts were offered 300-500 baht to attend the upcoming rally is "many attendees at the previous rally were paid to attend".

I'm surprised that you couldn't give a link to this as this comment by Korkaew was reported in Thai Visa.

Are there any other references to anyone (besides redshirts) being paid to attend the previous or upcoming rallies?

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I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

So, Korkaew saying that red shirts were offered 300-500 baht to attend the upcoming rally is "many attendees at the previous rally were paid to attend".

I'm surprised that you couldn't give a link to this as this comment by Korkaew was reported in Thai Visa.

Are there any other references to anyone (besides redshirts) being paid to attend the previous or upcoming rallies?

"I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored." Will you prove me right or wrong?

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I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

So, Korkaew saying that red shirts were offered 300-500 baht to attend the upcoming rally is "many attendees at the previous rally were paid to attend".

I'm surprised that you couldn't give a link to this as this comment by Korkaew was reported in Thai Visa.

Are there any other references to anyone (besides redshirts) being paid to attend the previous or upcoming rallies?

"I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored." Will you prove me right or wrong?

A flame war? Is asking a question flaming now? How about answering the question rather than trying to deflect to some crap about flame wars.

Do you have any other references for your many statements of people being paid to attend the previous rally besides the ONE Korwaew statement of red shirts being offered money to attend the next rally?

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I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

So, Korkaew saying that red shirts were offered 300-500 baht to attend the upcoming rally is "many attendees at the previous rally were paid to attend".

I'm surprised that you couldn't give a link to this as this comment by Korkaew was reported in Thai Visa.

Are there any other references to anyone (besides redshirts) being paid to attend the previous or upcoming rallies?

"I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored." Will you prove me right or wrong?

A flame war? Is asking a question flaming now? How about answering the question rather than trying to deflect to some crap about flame wars.

Do you have any other references for your many statements of people being paid to attend the previous rally besides the ONE Korwaew statement of red shirts being offered money to attend the next rally?

Furher jayboy, would you consider Korwaew a cedible source of information?

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I wonder if there are any major injuries or (hopefully not) deaths, will the Govt call for DSI to investigate? But you can bet there will be Govt supporters interspersed within the crowd to cause problems. The Govt will do anything it can to turn this protest into something other than a non violent demonstration and painting these people as trouble makers or violent will well be on its agenda. The Red Shirts proved they were capable of anything and 'dirty tricks' during their demonstration so things here could escalate easily into problems if a catalyst is added (by the Govt).

Really? Government provocateurs to make Pitak Siam look bad, as though PS isn't alkready doing that itself very effectively.No real mileage in hypothetical comments since the event hasn't yed happened.However at this stage it is the government and redshirts that appear restrained and mature.Monitor the comments of General Boonlert for the PS position but based on his pronouncements so far his worst enemies couldn't do a better job in making him look like a doddering old fool.

A rally is not just one person or even a few people.

sent from my Q6

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A search on the other site just gave me

"He denied claims that the rally was being funded by the same group who financed the Sept 19, 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra government, or with money from illegal casinos or the drug trade. The rally would be purely voluntary, he added."

That seems a bit different from your

"Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem"

"Have no idea how much they received."

"None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway"

"As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces."

"It's been widely reported including the other paper."

"How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda"

Praise, og wise one, tell us the secret of your searching success wai.gif

I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

a combination of 'pitak siam' and '400' only gives me a reference from 2007

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Deputy Prime Minister Yutthasak Sasiprapa, who is in charge of security affairs, said that according to Pol Maj-Gen Chanchai Phuthong, 2nd Army deputy commander, the rally on Oct 28 would likely be joined by a group of national development participants, who were former communist insurgents who defected to the authorities a long time ago.

He said there are five groups of "national development participants" and those joining the rally belong to a group of 300-400 people who had already received assistance and compensation from the government while Gen Surayud Chulanont was prime minister."

No reference to 400 Baht in combination with Pitak Siam.

But don't worry, even with this faux pax and constant zig-zagging I still love you whistling.gif

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A search on the other site just gave me

"He denied claims that the rally was being funded by the same group who financed the Sept 19, 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra government, or with money from illegal casinos or the drug trade. The rally would be purely voluntary, he added."

That seems a bit different from your

"Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem"

"Have no idea how much they received."

"None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway"

"As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces."

"It's been widely reported including the other paper."

"How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda"

Praise, og wise one, tell us the secret of your searching success wai.gif

I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

a combination of 'pitak siam' and '400' only gives me a reference from 2007

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Deputy Prime Minister Yutthasak Sasiprapa, who is in charge of security affairs, said that according to Pol Maj-Gen Chanchai Phuthong, 2nd Army deputy commander, the rally on Oct 28 would likely be joined by a group of national development participants, who were former communist insurgents who defected to the authorities a long time ago.

He said there are five groups of "national development participants" and those joining the rally belong to a group of 300-400 people who had already received assistance and compensation from the government while Gen Surayud Chulanont was prime minister."

No reference to 400 Baht in combination with Pitak Siam.

But don't worry, even with this faux pax and constant zig-zagging I still love you whistling.gif

You proved me right, and I was amused by the trail of the usual suspects following you giving further credence to my theory they concentrate on the insignificant so the larger issues can be dodged

But MikeOboe57's advice is sound, and I can see the evidence for expenses paid is not really there.

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A search on the other site just gave me

"He denied claims that the rally was being funded by the same group who financed the Sept 19, 2006 coup that toppled the Thaksin Shinawatra government, or with money from illegal casinos or the drug trade. The rally would be purely voluntary, he added."

That seems a bit different from your

"Actually it appears that many attendees at the previous Pitak Siam rally , particularly from the provinces were paid a modest per diem"

"Have no idea how much they received."

"None of their political opponents have raised objections as far as I know anway"

"As to the funding of expenses I think this was quite widely reported, specifically for those who came from the provinces."

"It's been widely reported including the other paper."

"How the usual suspects twist and turn, desperately looking for a way to deflect attention from the fascist agenda"

Praise, og wise one, tell us the secret of your searching success wai.gif

I wasn't going to bother but just did a search of the other paper and in ten seconds came up with reports of "redshirts" being offered Bt 400 to attend the Pitak Siam rally.Not much and rather odd sounding I agree.

I have often noticed that the usual suspects start a flame war when they think they have found a weak piece of evidence in an opponents argument, so that the main points can be buried and ignored (in this instance the unsavoury nature of Pitak Siam leadership).It was ever thus.

a combination of 'pitak siam' and '400' only gives me a reference from 2007

"

Deputy Prime Minister Yutthasak Sasiprapa, who is in charge of security affairs, said that according to Pol Maj-Gen Chanchai Phuthong, 2nd Army deputy commander, the rally on Oct 28 would likely be joined by a group of national development participants, who were former communist insurgents who defected to the authorities a long time ago.

He said there are five groups of "national development participants" and those joining the rally belong to a group of 300-400 people who had already received assistance and compensation from the government while Gen Surayud Chulanont was prime minister."

No reference to 400 Baht in combination with Pitak Siam.

But don't worry, even with this faux pax and constant zig-zagging I still love you whistling.gif

You proved me right, and I was amused by the trail of the usual suspects following you giving further credence to my theory they concentrate on the insignificant so the larger issues can be dodged

But MikeOboe57's advice is sound, and I can see the evidence for expenses paid is not really there.

By suggesting that Pitak Siam supporters were paid, you were very active in deflecting. Now saying 'the evidence is not really there' after all the previous statements and 'facts' you wrote is not even a weak confession of having been wrong. Of course, it's not easy for some to admit 'I was wrong', or just' evidence for being paid is really not there'. Since you studied in Cambridge you should understand the difference that position of that simple word 'really' makes in this.

Anyway, hope the rally doesn't give you a headache wai.gif

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I can see the evidence for expenses paid is not really there.

By suggesting that Pitak Siam supporters were paid, you were very active in deflecting. Now saying 'the evidence is not really there' after all the previous statements and 'facts' you wrote is not even a weak confession of having been wrong. Of course, it's not easy for some to admit 'I was wrong', or just' evidence for being paid is really not there'. Since you studied in Cambridge you should understand the difference that position of that simple word 'really' makes in this.

Anyway, hope the rally doesn't give you a headache wai.gif

And to think it took only an aggregate total of around 30 posts before finally, mercifully, arriving at that first concern.

To be honest I'm more concerned with truth, intelligence,wit and good judgement than the good esteem of a bunch of not very well educated oldsters.

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I can see the evidence for expenses paid is not really there.

By suggesting that Pitak Siam supporters were paid, you were very active in deflecting. Now saying 'the evidence is not really there' after all the previous statements and 'facts' you wrote is not even a weak confession of having been wrong. Of course, it's not easy for some to admit 'I was wrong', or just' evidence for being paid is really not there'. Since you studied in Cambridge you should understand the difference that position of that simple word 'really' makes in this.

Anyway, hope the rally doesn't give you a headache wai.gif

And to think it took only an aggregate total of around 30 posts before finally, mercifully, arriving at that first concern.

To be honest I'm more concerned with truth, intelligence,wit and good judgement than the good esteem of a bunch of not very well educated oldsters.

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This kind of post not only proves my point but heavily underlines it.

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