Abhisit, Suthep Could Face 700 Charges Of Attempted Murder: Tarit

[maidu]

I didn't say personal experience is the ONLY way to gauge a situation. I said it was one of the best. Hand in hand are personal observations. The residents, students, hospital patients/staff, and shopworkers at the commandeered site vicinity in downtown Bkk (during the Red occupation of 2010) - their personal observations and chronicles carry more weight than 2nd or 3rd party references from political propagandists (including T and his lawyers). Go research some of those 1st hand experiences and tell me what you find.

Here's a little tidbit that Red apologists won't want to hear: During the Red riots of 2009, Thaksin was interviewed on a major news station (he was hundreds of miles away) and asserted that many Red shirts had been killed/disapperared. Of course none of that happened, and we never heard reference to that afterwards.

You seem to be getting confused Maidu. Witness accounts that others gave are not your personal experiences, indeed to reference them one would have to research the evidence at hand! Didn't you just assert that research is only the recourse of those losing an argument? To even be aware of others accounts means you are combining your personal experiences with those of others ie. informing yourself of the events by researching the evidence at hand.

This must be one of the most bizarre little sub arguments I've ever encountered on a TV thread. You are really going to dig your heels in and try to defend what was clearly a nonsensical statement? I believe you have been immersed in Thai life too long because clearly the notion of face and the inability to admit your own mistakes has consumed you. We are all human Maidu and sometimes we write stupid things...

"research is only the recourse of those losing an argument" is one of those times, never mind, happens to us all, move on...

Maybe you didn't read my more recent post which corrected your mistaken quotes and conclusions from them.

Also, if someone who was personally at Red riots of 2009 or 2010 makes a personal observation and chronicles it, I can take that published info and refer to it subsequently. I would quote them correctly, which is more than you've been doing with posts herein. You've been misquoting peoples' posts, and then making biased comments about them. It reminds me of being married, and trying to have a logical argument with one's spouse. (Yes, I know we're not married. Let's not start a sub-thread on that).

[maidu]

Ferangled asks me, "Did you really assert that research is only the recourse of those losing an argument?"

Maidu responds; No. The sentence you misquoted stated, "As for 'researching every available resource' - that's the refuge of someone who is losing an argument."

nice try Ferangled, but no cigar,

Hint: When you start to talk about yourself in the 3rd person it's time to start worrying!

I did that to try to instil clarity. I may start referring to myself in the plural, but then some might think I'm the Queen of England or a Siamese twin.

[Thait Spot]

I return your challenge and would ask you to identify 5 pro-red shirt posts on this forum. Similarly I'd ask Tatsujin, our resident troll, to stop making smarmy comments about other members and actually start contributing to these threads constructively.

You throw around the terms red apologists, red sympathisers etc with absolutely no basis. It's just a childish way at avoiding tackling the actual points raised. I actually believe that many on here sympathise with no political party in Thailand but recognise the hypocrisy on both sides and simply support the ideals of democracy.

Avoiding the question, making false accusations and throwing an insult in too.

You obviously categorise yourself as one of the red underpants brigade and one can readily see why. Must have been to one of the boot camps.

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[smedly]

This explanation is interesting:

Criminal Code's Section 84: "Anyone who is the cause of others to commit crimes either by asking, forcing, hiring, duping or any other means is deemed to be the master of the one who commits a crime, and is punishable as if he is the criminal himself."

Have they charged any soldiers with committing any crimes?

I fully agree with criminal code section 84, it would apply to me or anyone if they hired a hitman to go murder someone and the hitman got caught and spilled the beans.

AV did not hire a hitman, he was carrying out his sworn duty to uphold the law and protect people and property in an extreme situation of social disorder were demonstrators had become terrorists threatening violence with guns and grenades were they eventually started using them against officials at that point things go very different, some have argued here that the army shouldn't have been involved - well I know of a part of the UK were the army patrolled the streets along with the police because the situation required it.

lets look at the south of Thailand, the army are very active there because of terrorists who are threatening the community and carrying out attacks against the police army and public, I don't nessesarily agree with how that situation is being handled (so lets not get into it here) but there are parralels to 2010 Bangkok whether you want to believe it or not, the principles are the same.

AV and all those concerned did not hire hitmen to murder people - they were doing their duty to uphold the law.

In N.Ireland right now the police are investigating bloody Sunday in Derry and are preparing a case against the army for murder, that case hinges on whether demonstrators of that day were armed - if they were then there is no case to answer - if they weren't then the army had no place to start shooting people

and for the record I am neither pro red or yellow - I see what I see

Edited December 22, 2012 by smedly

[Moruya]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Find me one pro-yellow post by me and I'll buy you a keg of Heineken.

Daengophile posts are 10 a penny. Righteous, for example, has drafted his own manual

[Tatsujin]

I return your challenge and would ask you to identify 5 pro-red shirt posts on this forum. Similarly I'd ask Tatsujin, our resident troll, to stop making smarmy comments about other members and actually start contributing to these threads constructively.

You throw around the terms red apologists, red sympathisers etc with absolutely no basis. It's just a childish way at avoiding tackling the actual points raised. I actually believe that many on here sympathise with no political party in Thailand but recognise the hypocrisy on both sides and simply support the ideals of democracy.

I have made some constructive comments within this thread, but you pooh-poohed them as being wrong as they were based on my opinion and that didn't happen to match with your own. Everyone here has an opinion about everything, and that's their opinion based on their experiences. I don't agree with or accept many others opinions, but equally they don't really affect me either. I do like a good "discussion" though, interjected with light humour and put-downs.

At the moment we're all going around in circles, neither admitting to the other that they might have any opinion that "could" be correct, valid or acceptable. Quite similar in fact to what happened in 2010 between the Red protestors and the sitting Government and continues now with Politics here in general.

As I'm neither a Red nor a Yellow supporter (or any other color), I really don't give a monkeys who's in power here, it's unlikely to make my life here any different or any better in the short or the long term. The "majority" of the "people" here got the Government they asked for within the bounds of their twisted form of laws, electoral process and Democracy. Good for them. For those that don't like it, there are legal ways to change things.

Do I think the Abhisit Goverment did things 100% correct? No.

Do I think the current Government (or previous Red Governments) are doing things 100% correct? No.

They are ALL as bad as each other with the overriding desire to "look after" each other financially and to screw as much money out of the "people" as they can in any way they can.

At the point that any one of these Governments starts to make life here for me to live, work and run a business even more difficult that it already is, then I'll walk away . . . to the cheers of many I am sure. Other than that, I remain a (very) amused bystander.

[Thait Spot]

I return your challenge and would ask you to identify 5 pro-red shirt posts on this forum. Similarly I'd ask Tatsujin, our resident troll, to stop making smarmy comments about other members and actually start contributing to these threads constructively.

You throw around the terms red apologists, red sympathisers etc with absolutely no basis. It's just a childish way at avoiding tackling the actual points raised. I actually believe that many on here sympathise with no political party in Thailand but recognise the hypocrisy on both sides and simply support the ideals of democracy.

I have made some constructive comments within this thread, but you pooh-poohed them as being wrong as they were based on my opinion and that didn't happen to match with your own. Everyone here has an opinion about everything, and that's their opinion based on their experiences. I don't agree with or accept many others opinions, but equally they don't really affect me either. I do like a good "discussion" though, interjected with light humour and put-downs.

At the moment we're all going around in circles, neither admitting to the other that they might have any opinion that "could" be correct, valid or acceptable. Quite similar in fact to what happened in 2010 between the Red protestors and the sitting Government and continues now with Politics here in general.

As I'm neither a Red nor a Yellow supporter (or any other color), I really don't give a monkeys who's in power here, it's unlikely to make my life here any different or any better in the short or the long term. The "majority" of the "people" here got the Government they asked for within the bounds of their twisted form of laws, electoral process and Democracy. Good for them. For those that don't like it, there are legal ways to change things.

Do I think the Abhisit Goverment did things 100% correct? No.

Do I think the current Government (or previous Red Governments) are doing things 100% correct? No.

They are ALL as bad as each other with the overriding desire to "look after" each other financially and to screw as much money out of the "people" as they can in any way they can.

At the point that any one of these Governments starts to make life here for me to live, work and run a business even more difficult that it already is, then I'll walk away . . . to the cheers of many I am sure. Other than that, I remain a (very) amused bystander.

If you read through a list of Ferangled's posts you will see that you are not alone in receiving snide quips. He likes to think that he adds to the conversation but just trolls about taking pot shots at anyone who criticises the government accusing those posters of the very things that he does.

Don't take it personally.

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[marshbags]

My bias is based on my actual experiences with the Udonthani reds, local government and policing ( lack of in the case of the latter two. )

Good to see your admission of bias.

Also, a person's personal experience is insufficient to base an opinion. To have a respected, informed knowledge of the events in question you must be more well rounded by researching every available source. The simple fact is that there are far more sources of information about this in Thai.

Sorry I did not respond to this sooner, I,ve just come across it while scrolling back on the thread and think it deserves a little clarity.

Bias in the way I use it in this post is a moral one based on what is recognized not only in democratic values but more importantly on my upbringing and lifetime beliefs pertaining to right and wrong and respect for a fair and non violent environment decent law abiding citizens deserve to live in.

Using the type of consistant thuggish behaviour ect. that the red shirts are constantly associated with is against all the rules and laws appertaining to a fair and free democratic society.

It will always remain the same until such times supporters of a certain exiled criminal convince me they can be democratic and a part of a fair minded society, put the wellbeing of all deserving Thai citizens and this country paramount.

Not those of the selfish evil and destructive individual they at present violate the laws and moral expectations of decent people in defence of a morally bankrupted individual.

I am neither bigoted, racist prejudicial or indeed any other similar connotations you may wish to include, nor do I expect individuals to be fully / part conversant in Thai to be able to appreciate what is good about this country or indeed by appreciated as a non speaking foreigner as mnay of us are.

A greedy self serving society for the chosen few is all at the expense of the majority is all the misinformed and misguided supporters can look forward to should Thaksin realise his destructive dreams and desires.

Some future for the old and the younger members of this so called / alledged democratic society he repeatedly refers about and tells everyone they can look forward to...............I think not, not in your wildest dreams.

If Thaksins interpretations of democracy and law according to any of the constitutions he wishes to and will rewrite, should they do not favour him and him alone, are allowed to come about, there will never be reconciliation and peace of any meaningful description in Thailand.

marshbags

Edited December 22, 2012 by marshbags

[maidu]

This was mentioned at the beginning of this thread, but it's worth repeating:

Because Thaksin has a history of breaking the law, and he has been convicted already, and could likely face other dire charges in the future, he and his minions are trying to blast away any opposition. Abhisit is the most prominent member of the many who might challenge Thaksin. Abhisit is a good speaker and not one to run from responsibilities. If Yingluck, PT and the Reds are able to discredit Abhisit, that would make their quest to whitewash Thaksin (and enable him to return to Thailand without taking responsibility for his illegal activities). The witch hunt aimed at Abhisit is all about trying to destroy A's good name. If that were successful, the next Democratic leader would suffer the same sort of witch hunt, until (the Reds and PT hope) opposition will wilt.

Regardless of whether Yingluck, PT and the Reds are successful at making the false accusations stick, it will serve as a bargaining chip, and here's how: PT and the Reds hope that Abhisit will back down (on holding Thaksin accountable for his crimes) in exchange for a let-up (or lessening) of the witch hunt against Abhisit.

In some ways, it's similar to Malaysia's sick political games of past two decades. I won't go in to details about that (except to say that Anwar was hounded by false and spurious accusations spawned by strongman Mahathir), but those familiar with it will be able to connect the dots.

[rubl]

On TV there are people on both side of the political opinion that this can apply to. Actually probably more on the yellow shirt sympathizer side.

What? Both of them?

I challenge the red underpants brigade to find 5 pro-yellow shirt posts on this forum from current members.

Shouldn't be hard as there is apparently an overabundance of them.

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

I really do believe the 'without thinking' part. For your information 'posts' is not the same as 'posters'.

[Tatsujin]

I return your challenge and would ask you to identify 5 pro-red shirt posts on this forum. Similarly I'd ask Tatsujin, our resident troll, to stop making smarmy comments about other members and actually start contributing to these threads constructively.

You throw around the terms red apologists, red sympathisers etc with absolutely no basis. It's just a childish way at avoiding tackling the actual points raised. I actually believe that many on here sympathise with no political party in Thailand but recognise the hypocrisy on both sides and simply support the ideals of democracy.

I have made some constructive comments within this thread, but you pooh-poohed them as being wrong as they were based on my opinion and that didn't happen to match with your own. Everyone here has an opinion about everything, and that's their opinion based on their experiences. I don't agree with or accept many others opinions, but equally they don't really affect me either. I do like a good "discussion" though, interjected with light humour and put-downs.

At the moment we're all going around in circles, neither admitting to the other that they might have any opinion that "could" be correct, valid or acceptable. Quite similar in fact to what happened in 2010 between the Red protestors and the sitting Government and continues now with Politics here in general.

As I'm neither a Red nor a Yellow supporter (or any other color), I really don't give a monkeys who's in power here, it's unlikely to make my life here any different or any better in the short or the long term. The "majority" of the "people" here got the Government they asked for within the bounds of their twisted form of laws, electoral process and Democracy. Good for them. For those that don't like it, there are legal ways to change things.

Do I think the Abhisit Goverment did things 100% correct? No.

Do I think the current Government (or previous Red Governments) are doing things 100% correct? No.

They are ALL as bad as each other with the overriding desire to "look after" each other financially and to screw as much money out of the "people" as they can in any way they can.

At the point that any one of these Governments starts to make life here for me to live, work and run a business even more difficult that it already is, then I'll walk away . . . to the cheers of many I am sure. Other than that, I remain a (very) amused bystander.

If you read through a list of Ferangled's posts you will see that you are not alone in receiving snide quips. He likes to think that he adds to the conversation but just trolls about taking pot shots at anyone who criticises the government accusing those posters of the very things that he does.

Don't take it personally.

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I don't take anything personally, especially on here.

I do love to wind people up that takes things FAR too seriously though . . .

[Tatsujin]

This was mentioned at the beginning of this thread, but it's worth repeating:

Because Thaksin has a history of breaking the law, and he has been convicted already, and could likely face other dire charges in the future, he and his minions are trying to blast away any opposition. Abhisit is the most prominent member of the many who might challenge Thaksin. Abhisit is a good speaker and not one to run from responsibilities. If Yingluck, PT and the Reds are able to discredit Abhisit, that would make their quest to whitewash Thaksin (and enable him to return to Thailand without taking responsibility for his illegal activities). The witch hunt aimed at Abhisit is all about trying to destroy A's good name. If that were successful, the next Democratic leader would suffer the same sort of witch hunt, until (the Reds and PT hope) opposition will wilt.

Regardless of whether Yingluck, PT and the Reds are successful at making the false accusations stick, it will serve as a bargaining chip, and here's how: PT and the Reds hope that Abhisit will back down (on holding Thaksin accountable for his crimes) in exchange for a let-up (or lessening) of the witch hunt against Abhisit.

In some ways, it's similar to Malaysia's sick political games of past two decades. I won't go in to details about that (except to say that Anwar was hounded by false and spurious accusations spawned by strongman Mahathir), but those familiar with it will be able to connect the dots.

Unfortunately, for some they just won't be able to connect the dots . . . or see them . . . or admit they even exist . . .

[valerian]

... those that can debate without resorting to these tactics come across more sincere and less zealous, IMHO.

Humble??? Must be the joke of the day.

Edited December 22, 2012 by valerian

[Pimay1]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Well smutcakes I am definitely anti-TS/YS government for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. I am anti-red mob for the same obvious reasons. I am in no way pro any color. I try to judge the factions, people and parties by their actions not their words. So if in expressing my opinion that people should be honest, fair and caring about other people especially the poor of this country, you surmise I am pro yellow then that's up to you.

[Thai at Heart]

Was there ever a court order deeming the protest illegal?

"The government claimed that the protests were illegal and attempted to evict the protesters without a court order, as the Civil Court had ruled that the PM is already empowered to do so." (wiki)

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home/Court-says-PM-empowered-to-evict-protects-without--30126454.html

Well that might be a fly in the ointment.

[whybother]

@Thai at heart ...

For who?

Sent from my HTC phone.

Edited December 23, 2012 by whybother

[marshbags]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Well smutcakes I am definitely anti-TS/YS government for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. I am anti-red mob for the same obvious reasons. I am in no way pro any color. I try to judge the factions, people and parties by their actions not their words. So if in expressing my opinion that people should be honest, fair and caring about other people especially the poor of this country, you surmise I am pro yellow then that's up to you.

I,d like to second this Pimay, all of it.

The elected government in situ need to impliment an agenda that compliments the expectations non red supporters / neutral Thai have as to how decent citizens / electorate should and deserve to be treated......

Not ignored and abused at the expense of Thaksin who chooses to live in voluntary exile in Dubai ect. ect. while unbelievably leading the PT government in Thailand, implement his non qualified authority while on the run from

* justice and being allowed to continue with his destructive self serving agenda..

* Justice that was implemented fairly according to law, set long before he faced the courts and was tried by respected and impartial judges.

What happened to their alledged respect ( PT ) and reverence for Thailand and it,s lawful institutions.

It is nothing less than a criminal traversty IHMO

marshbags

Edited December 23, 2012 by marshbags

[Ferangled]

... those that can debate without resorting to these tactics come across more sincere and less zealous, IMHO.

Humble??? Must be the joke of the day.

Honest actually... hilarious...

[Thai at Heart]

@Thai at heart ...

For who?

Sent from my HTC phone.

Abhisit. They should surely have got someone to deem that the protest had broken some law?

Basically, the army shot people who weren't breaking the law

[bigbamboo]

The worst thing for those who love living in Thailand is the damage the current government is continuing to cause to it's image abroad. Ever since the former PM was ousted for playing ducks and drakes with democracy the country's reputation has slid just as that of it's weaker neighbours has started to shine.

Luckily the 2015 ASEAN union start up date is now deferred to 2016 giving Thailand an extra year to regain it's former reputation.

[bigbamboo]

@Thai at heart ...

For who?

Sent from my HTC phone.

Abhisit. They should surely have got someone to deem that the protest had broken some law?

Basically, the army shot people who weren't breaking the law

And some who were.

Of course if the police had been doing their duty in the first place there would have been no need for army involvement.

Edited December 23, 2012 by bigbamboo

[whybother]

@Thai at heart ...

For who?

Sent from my HTC phone.

Abhisit. They should surely have got someone to deem that the protest had broken some law?

Basically, the army shot people who weren't breaking the law

The protests had already been declared illegal through the SOE.

The court said that they didn't need to rule on stopping the red shirts from occupying Ratchaprasong.

Edited December 23, 2012 by whybother

[Ferangled]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Well smutcakes I am definitely anti-TS/YS government for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. I am anti-red mob for the same obvious reasons. I am in no way pro any color. I try to judge the factions, people and parties by their actions not their words. So if in expressing my opinion that people should be honest, fair and caring about other people especially the poor of this country, you surmise I am pro yellow then that's up to you.

Then perhaps you could appreciate that there are many on here who are definitely anti-Dem/ AV for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. Anti-yellow mob for the same obvious reasons. They are in no way pro any colour. They try to judge the factions and parties by their actions not their words... hmm sound familiar?

If by expressing their opinions you feel the need to label them childishly the red under pants brigade, red apologist or red sympathiser then so be it. This is more an indication of your total hypocrisy and infantile tendencies than it is of any actual truth or relevance to discussion.

[whybother]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Well smutcakes I am definitely anti-TS/YS government for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. I am anti-red mob for the same obvious reasons. I am in no way pro any color. I try to judge the factions, people and parties by their actions not their words. So if in expressing my opinion that people should be honest, fair and caring about other people especially the poor of this country, you surmise I am pro yellow then that's up to you.

Then perhaps you could appreciate that there are many on here who are definitely anti-Dem/ AV for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. Anti-yellow mob for the same obvious reasons. They are in no way pro any colour. They try to judge the factions and parties by their actions not their words... hmm sound familiar?

If by expressing their opinions you feel the need to label them childishly the red under pants brigade, red apologist or red sympathiser then so be it. This is more an indication of your total hypocrisy and infantile tendencies than it is of any actual truth or relevance to discussion.

Being pro-Dem / AV is not the same as being pro-yellow.

[Tatsujin]

Was there ever a court order deeming the protest illegal?

"The government claimed that the protests were illegal and attempted to evict the protesters without a court order, as the Civil Court had ruled that the PM is already empowered to do so." (wiki)

http://www.nationmul...--30126454.html

Well that might be a fly in the ointment.

It never ceases to amaze how different people interpret the same things.

The Civil Court concluded that the PM DID NOT NEED a separate Court Order to evict the protestors, he already had the power to do so under the ISA.

The Civil Court Monday refused to consider the request of the government to issue a court order to force red-shirt protester to stop occupying the Rajprasong commercial area.

The court reasoned that the prime minister as the director of the Internal Security Operations Command, is already empowered by Article 16 and 18 of the Internal Security Act to order the protesters to leave Rajprasong without having to seek the court order again.

The court noted that the ISA empowers the ISOC director to stop and prevent activities that affected the national stability and to carry out actions to return normality to the country.

For those that are hard of reading or understanding I've highlighted the relevant aspects above.

Also, for those that haven't read it, try looking at what the actual ISA states: http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/thailandinternalsecurityactdraftof16oct2007inenglish.pdf. Yes it's a translation, and yes you could claim that it might not be 100% accurate, but it does make interesting reading. #15, #16, #17 and #23 are of particular interest.

[whybother]

Also, for those that haven't read it, try looking at what the actual ISA states: http://asiapacific.a...7inenglish.pdf. Yes it's a translation, and yes you could claim that it might not be 100% accurate, but it does make interesting reading. #15, #16, #17 and #23 are of particular interest.

Link doesn't work.

[Tatsujin]

@Thai at heart ...

For who?

Sent from my HTC phone.

Abhisit. They should surely have got someone to deem that the protest had broken some law?

Basically, the army shot people who weren't breaking the law

Mmmmm . . . once again, you are forgetting the ISA, SoE, restricted zones and curfew that was in place at that time and that people KNEW was in effect.

Edited December 23, 2012 by Tatsujin

[Tatsujin]

Also, for those that haven't read it, try looking at what the actual ISA states: http://asiapacific.a...7inenglish.pdf. Yes it's a translation, and yes you could claim that it might not be 100% accurate, but it does make interesting reading. #15, #16, #17 and #23 are of particular interest.

Link doesn't work.

Try this: http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/thailandinternalsecurityactdraftof16oct2007inenglish.pdf

[Ferangled]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Well smutcakes I am definitely anti-TS/YS government for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. I am anti-red mob for the same obvious reasons. I am in no way pro any color. I try to judge the factions, people and parties by their actions not their words. So if in expressing my opinion that people should be honest, fair and caring about other people especially the poor of this country, you surmise I am pro yellow then that's up to you.

Then perhaps you could appreciate that there are many on here who are definitely anti-Dem/ AV for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. Anti-yellow mob for the same obvious reasons. They are in no way pro any colour. They try to judge the factions and parties by their actions not their words... hmm sound familiar?

If by expressing their opinions you feel the need to label them childishly the red under pants brigade, red apologist or red sympathiser then so be it. This is more an indication of your total hypocrisy and infantile tendencies than it is of any actual truth or relevance to discussion.

Being pro-Dem / AV is not the same as being pro-yellow.

Quite true and being critical of the Democrats or Abhisit is not the same as being pro-red, pro-Thaksin or any other leaps of logic that have been made repeatedly on this and virtually every other thread on TV...

Taking offence when someone labels you pro-yellow when you have a habit of branding people pro-red seems a tad hypocritical. How many times have the infantile red tag lines been used on this thread compared with say, infantile yellow tags and by whom...?

[Pimay1]

You for a start. H090, Buchholz, Nickymaster, Pimay1 and thats without thinking.

Well smutcakes I am definitely anti-TS/YS government for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. I am anti-red mob for the same obvious reasons. I am in no way pro any color. I try to judge the factions, people and parties by their actions not their words. So if in expressing my opinion that people should be honest, fair and caring about other people especially the poor of this country, you surmise I am pro yellow then that's up to you.

Then perhaps you could appreciate that there are many on here who are definitely anti-Dem/ AV for obvious reasons to anyone with a lick of common sense. Anti-yellow mob for the same obvious reasons. They are in no way pro any colour. They try to judge the factions and parties by their actions not their words... hmm sound familiar?

If by expressing their opinions you feel the need to label them childishly the red under pants brigade, red apologist or red sympathiser then so be it. This is more an indication of your total hypocrisy and infantile tendencies than it is of any actual truth or relevance to discussion.

Very astute response my friend showing uncanny and inimical intellect on your part. Have you ever considered speech writing as a profession?

Intellectual: An intellectual is a person who primarily uses intelligence in either a professional or an individual capacity. As a substantive or adjective, it refers to the work product of such persons, to the so-called "life of the mind" generally, or to an aspect of something where learning, erudition, and informed and critical thinking are the focus, as in "the intellectual level of the discourse on the matter was not high".

Edited December 23, 2012 by Pimay1