Democrats Query Need To Change Article 309: Thai Constitution

[Thait Spot]

One can spin it every way times a million, but a coup-based constitution is coup-based.

I am not aware of any nation, who when they rectified a self-serving coup for the perps., via a return to Electoral Democracy, let the equally self-serving constitution remain the law of the land.

Just doesn't happen!

I shall spin it another way. If there was never a coup, there would never have been a constitution. You're just picking and choosing the coups you like!

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[Soi Dog]

"Article 309 endorsed all actions of the 2006 coup regime".. ^^...The operative phrase here being "The Coup regime"..........any other questions?

But for the PTP, there is a silver lining to this cloud. With the Democrat Party linking itself so closely to defending this "coup regime", certainly positions them accordingly. I'm sure this is not lost on the majority electorate.

Just solidifies the notion, if it needs solidification, that throughout all this political to-and-fro, following the bouncing ball, always suggests that it is the Democrats who are the principle benficiaries of coups. Is it any wonder therefore, they are defending 309 tooth and nail, and trying the Thaksin change-of-conversation trick behind which to hide their true motives....not to me it isn't.

Exactly. My first thought was to wonder why they would make it so obvious that they benefitted from the coup. However, I believe the real purpose is to serve notice to the Army that they have a dog in this fight and maybe get them to break their truce with PT.

Edited December 24, 2012 by Soi Dog

[whybother]

"Article 309 endorsed all actions of the 2006 coup regime".. ^^...The operative phrase here being "The Coup regime"..........any other questions?

But for the PTP, there is a silver lining to this cloud. With the Democrat Party linking itself so closely to defending this "coup regime", certainly positions them accordingly. I'm sure this is not lost on the majority electorate.

Just solidifies the notion, if it needs solidification, that throughout all this political to-and-fro, following the bouncing ball, always suggests that it is the Democrats who are the principle benficiaries of coups. Is it any wonder therefore, they are defending 309 tooth and nail, and trying the Thaksin change-of-conversation trick behind which to hide their true motives....not to me it isn't.

Exactly. My first thought was to wonder why they would make it so obvious that they benefitted from the coup. However, I believe the real purpose is to serve notice to the Army that they have a dog in this fight and maybe get them to break their truce with PT.

How did they benefit from the coup?

[animatic]

One can spin it every way times a million, but a coup-based constitution is coup-based.

I am not aware of any nation, who when they rectified a self-serving coup for the perps., via a return to Electoral Democracy, let the equally self-serving constitution remain the law of the land.

Just doesn't happen!

I shall spin it another way. If there was never a coup, there would never have been a constitution. You're just picking and choosing the coups you like!

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Not to mention 16 of 18 Thai constitutions have some basis in a coup in their recent pre-history.

And the faux shock as if this were something unusual here is disingenuous.

Edited December 24, 2012 by animatic

[kimamey]

Imagine that ???? A real wild animal in a Wildlife park...Heaven forbid...Not stuffed. Not in a tiny box. Not yet extinct. Not sold to the Chinese to cure all ills or give you a hard on.....

Morons, is the only word that springs to mind.......

Actually maybe not so stupid. Now the Chinese know about it they'll find it soon enough.

You can't beat Chinese medicine. They been using it for thousands of years and now it's just starting to work so there's no need for that western medicine which they coincidentally just recently started to use.

Sorry about that. I seem to have made a mistake I have no hope of understanding. Just ignore me while I lay down in a darkened room and wait for my medication.

[backtonormal]

"Article 309 endorsed all actions of the 2006 coup regime".. ^^...The operative phrase here being "The Coup regime"..........any other questions?

But for the PTP, there is a silver lining to this cloud. With the Democrat Party linking itself so closely to defending this "coup regime", certainly positions them accordingly. I'm sure this is not lost on the majority electorate.

Just solidifies the notion, if it needs solidification, that throughout all this political to-and-fro, following the bouncing ball, always suggests that it is the Democrats who are the principle benficiaries of coups. Is it any wonder therefore, they are defending 309 tooth and nail, and trying the Thaksin change-of-conversation trick behind which to hide their true motives....not to me it isn't.

The coup occurred to stop Thaksin's rampant and blatant corruption, and 309 was introduced to increase/introduce anti-corruption measures. But forget about the criminal, concentrate on the coup.

The coup happened because he was and still is the most popular politician Thailand has ever had. I believe he was about to call another election with victory undoubted. You talk about corruption as if he was the only one. Take away the corruption element and we would still have an amart who are reaping all the rewards and securing all the lucrative contracts without competition. Since Thailand initiated ASEAN (when it was the power house of the region) to now trying to stall it (because it as fallen so far down the pecking order). Look around who as caused this country to fall so far off its perch (Thaksins only been around a dozen years) those are the people who have milked this country, instigated coups, are the real cause of civil unrest yet they remain faceless.

Edited December 24, 2012 by metisdead
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[whybother]

The coup happened because he was and still is the most popular politician Thailand has ever had. I believe he was about to call another election with victory undoubted. You talk about corruption as if he was the only one. Take away the corruption element and we would still have an amart who are reaping all the rewards and securing all the lucrative contracts without competition. Since Thailand initiated ASEAN (when it was the power house of the region) to now trying to stall it (because it as fallen so far down the pecking order). Look around who as caused this country to fall so far off its perch (Thaksins only been around a dozen years) those are the people who have milked this country, instigated coups, are the real cause of civil unrest yet they remain faceless.

"we would still have an amart who are reaping all the rewards and securing all the lucrative contracts without competition"

Yes ... Thaksin did well out of that.

[backtonormal]

"Article 309 endorsed all actions of the 2006 coup regime".. ^^...The operative phrase here being "The Coup regime"..........any other questions?

But for the PTP, there is a silver lining to this cloud. With the Democrat Party linking itself so closely to defending this "coup regime", certainly positions them accordingly. I'm sure this is not lost on the majority electorate.

Just solidifies the notion, if it needs solidification, that throughout all this political to-and-fro, following the bouncing ball, always suggests that it is the Democrats who are the principle benficiaries of coups. Is it any wonder therefore, they are defending 309 tooth and nail, and trying the Thaksin change-of-conversation trick behind which to hide their true motives....not to me it isn't.

Yes, lets not look at the truth of the matter, just use a bit of innuendo so that thaksin can get what he wants. I have nothing against anyones views but yours are simply biased to buggery, this is thaksin at his best still trying to rip off the thai people for his benefit, its a pity you are too one-eyed to see the truth and just toe the party line.

I believe that part of 309 absolved the coup makers from treason. It would be only fair to removed that. If nothing else a coup is illegal and it more damage to Thailand on the international stage than Thaksin ever did. Just look how the military enabled a new coalition (we can only guess how) and under that doomed leadership non of the world players came to town, effectively accepting that the Dems were the political wing of the armed forces. Look at the difference now yingluck is in power (or her brother) deals are being talked about every where, even obama came to the party

[backtonormal]

The coup happened because he was and still is the most popular politician Thailand has ever had. I believe he was about to call another election with victory undoubted. You talk about corruption as if he was the only one. Take away the corruption element and we would still have an amart who are reaping all the rewards and securing all the lucrative contracts without competition. Since Thailand initiated ASEAN (when it was the power house of the region) to now trying to stall it (because it as fallen so far down the pecking order). Look around who as caused this country to fall so far off its perch (Thaksins only been around a dozen years) those are the people who have milked this country, instigated coups, are the real cause of civil unrest yet they remain faceless.

"we would still have an amart who are reaping all the rewards and securing all the lucrative contracts without competition"

Yes ... Thaksin did well out of that.

Accepted but you are missing the point. Thaksin chucked down some coins for the poor wheras the others dont give the dirt from under their fingernails. Of course he made a few quid when in power I accept that but he didnt line the pockets of greedy generals to get power back once it was all going against him. By the way who actually calls for a coup

[whybother]

Accepted but you are missing the point. Thaksin chucked down some coins for the poor wheras the others dont give the dirt from under their fingernails. Of course he made a few quid when in power I accept that but he didnt line the pockets of greedy generals to get power back once it was all going against him. By the way who actually calls for a coup

Is chucking down some coins good in some way?

[backtonormal]

The final paragraph of the 2007 Constitution, Section 309, legalises the coup of 2006 and all actions by the military junta prior to and after the coup which overthrew the TS government.

It is the military's Get Out of Jail Free card. The fact that it affects TS criminal record is secondary.

Changing the conversation is very neccesary for some agenda's.

To see the Democrat Party come out so furiously in favor of maintaining the legal status of the coup and all actions by the military junta shows their affiliations. This association will affect them very negatively in future elections.

Right now,Thaksin's politically motivated criminal record is the least of their problems. The alleged murder charges against their own leader is something they are also busy "changing the conversation about".

Quite obvious to most that the murder charges against a couple of the democrat leaders are a plain and simple blackmail attempt by ptp and nothing more.

Blackmail for what. The coup makers need to be brought to justice. That hotline from ? to the army needs to stay silent for ever

[backtonormal]

Accepted but you are missing the point. Thaksin chucked down some coins for the poor wheras the others dont give the dirt from under their fingernails. Of course he made a few quid when in power I accept that but he didnt line the pockets of greedy generals to get power back once it was all going against him. By the way who actually calls for a coup

Is chucking down some coins good in some way?

The old English lords remained popular because they built schools, built cheap housing and provide medical care. Not to dissimilar to what Thaksin has been doing. Been here too long to remember and can go back to when the Dems would go to the village and say "vote for us it will be better next time" so the poor did and when the election was over you never saw them again. Thaksin appears and said "vote for me it will be better next time" and they did and it was.

[whybother]

Blackmail for what. The coup makers need to be brought to justice. That hotline from ? to the army needs to stay silent for ever

Removing article 309 won't bring the coup makers to justice. Do you seriously think that the aim of removing 309 is to do that?

[whybother]

The old English lords remained popular because they built schools, built cheap housing and provide medical care. Not to dissimilar to what Thaksin has been doing. Been here too long to remember and can go back to when the Dems would go to the village and say "vote for us it will be better next time" so the poor did and when the election was over you never saw them again. Thaksin appears and said "vote for me it will be better next time" and they did and it was.

So basically Thaksin was just lucky that there was a global economic boom that the could take credit for.

[backtonormal]

Blackmail for what. The coup makers need to be brought to justice. That hotline from ? to the army needs to stay silent for ever

Removing article 309 won't bring the coup makers to justice. Do you seriously think that the aim of removing 309 is to do that?

If 309 is no longer valid then yes it will be possible to bring charges against the coup makers...Do I think it will happen no but it will put an end to the coups and effectively the Dem party. Oh forgot it will bring the messiah home. No one wants reconcilliation, its been tried before and another blood bath insued. It win or bust for both sides. Looking like there will only be one winner.

[backtonormal]

The old English lords remained popular because they built schools, built cheap housing and provide medical care. Not to dissimilar to what Thaksin has been doing. Been here too long to remember and can go back to when the Dems would go to the village and say "vote for us it will be better next time" so the poor did and when the election was over you never saw them again. Thaksin appears and said "vote for me it will be better next time" and they did and it was.

So basically Thaksin was just lucky that there was a global economic boom that the could take credit for.

Maybe so but better to be a lucky politician (who is very popular inside and outside Thailand) than one lurching to the leccy chair. Was not only the boom.

[whybother]

If 309 is no longer valid then yes it will be possible to bring charges against the coup makers...Do I think it will happen no but it will put an end to the coups and effectively the Dem party. Oh forgot it will bring the messiah home. No one wants reconcilliation, its been tried before and another blood bath insued. It win or bust for both sides. Looking like there will only be one winner.

How will it put an end to coups? It wasn't there before the last coup. And how will it make a difference to the Democrats?

"Oh forgot it will bring the messiah home." Forgot?

[whybother]

The old English lords remained popular because they built schools, built cheap housing and provide medical care. Not to dissimilar to what Thaksin has been doing. Been here too long to remember and can go back to when the Dems would go to the village and say "vote for us it will be better next time" so the poor did and when the election was over you never saw them again. Thaksin appears and said "vote for me it will be better next time" and they did and it was.

So basically Thaksin was just lucky that there was a global economic boom that the could take credit for.

Maybe so but better to be a lucky politician (who is very popular inside and outside Thailand) than one lurching to the leccy chair. Was not only the boom.

So all this crap about him helping the poor just comes down to luck.

[tingtongfarang]

The final paragraph of the 2007 Constitution, Section 309, legalises the coup of 2006 and all actions by the military junta prior to and after the coup which overthrew the TS government.

It is the military's Get Out of Jail Free card. The fact that it affects TS criminal record is secondary.

Changing the conversation is very neccesary for some agenda's.

To see the Democrat Party come out so furiously in favor of maintaining the legal status of the coup and all actions by the military junta shows their affiliations. This association will affect them very negatively in future elections.

Right now,Thaksin's politically motivated criminal record is the least of their problems. The alleged murder charges against their own leader is something they are also busy "changing the conversation about".

Quite obvious to most that the murder charges against a couple of the democrat leaders are a plain and simple blackmail attempt by ptp and nothing more.

Blackmail for what. The coup makers need to be brought to justice. That hotline from ? to the army needs to stay silent for ever

A coup is never a good thing but in the past and maybe the near future it seems to be a necessary evil.

[Chupup]

"Article 309 endorsed all actions of the 2006 coup regime".. ^^...The operative phrase here being "The Coup regime"..........any other questions?

But for the PTP, there is a silver lining to this cloud. With the Democrat Party linking itself so closely to defending this "coup regime", certainly positions them accordingly. I'm sure this is not lost on the majority electorate.

Just solidifies the notion, if it needs solidification, that throughout all this political to-and-fro, following the bouncing ball, always suggests that it is the Democrats who are the principle benficiaries of coups. Is it any wonder therefore, they are defending 309 tooth and nail, and trying the Thaksin change-of-conversation trick behind which to hide their true motives....not to me it isn't.

Well it wouldn't of course, as YOU only look at things through your RED coloured glasses

[Thait Spot]

One can spin it every way times a million, but a coup-based constitution is coup-based.

I am not aware of any nation, who when they rectified a self-serving coup for the perps., via a return to Electoral Democracy, let the equally self-serving constitution remain the law of the land.

Just doesn't happen!

I shall spin it another way. If there was never a coup, there would never have been a constitution. You're just picking and choosing the coups you like!

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Not to mention 16 of 18 Thai constitutions have some basis in a coup in their recent pre-history.

And the faux shock as if this were something unusual here is disingenuous.

There are some on here that 'coup' about like a massive flock of pigeons. Even Jatuporn seems quiet in comparison.

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[Thait Spot]

Blackmail for what. The coup makers need to be brought to justice. That hotline from ? to the army needs to stay silent for ever

Removing article 309 won't bring the coup makers to justice. Do you seriously think that the aim of removing 309 is to do that?

If 309 is no longer valid then yes it will be possible to bring charges against the coup makers...Do I think it will happen no but it will put an end to the coups and effectively the Dem party. Oh forgot it will bring the messiah home. No one wants reconcilliation, its been tried before and another blood bath insued. It win or bust for both sides. Looking like there will only be one winner.

Nice to see you're so full of Christmas bonhomie and more than a dollop of turkey guano

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[scorecard]

The final paragraph of the 2007 Constitution, Section 309, legalises the coup of 2006 and all actions by the military junta prior to and after the coup which overthrew the TS government.

It is the military's Get Out of Jail Free card. The fact that it affects TS criminal record is secondary.

Changing the conversation is very neccesary for some agenda's.

To see the Democrat Party come out so furiously in favor of maintaining the legal status of the coup and all actions by the military junta shows their affiliations. This association will affect them very negatively in future elections.

Right now,Thaksin's politically motivated criminal record is the least of their problems. The alleged murder charges against their own leader is something they are also busy "changing the conversation about".

And the old calgaryll strategy again ' ....Thaksin's politically motivated criminal record....' Very well proven to be false, but keep repeating it again and again.

Attempt at perception management, nothing more.

[scorecard]

One can spin it every way times a million, but a coup-based constitution is coup-based.

I am not aware of any nation, who when they rectified a self-serving coup for the perps., via a return to Electoral Democracy, let the equally self-serving constitution remain the law of the land.

Just doesn't happen!

As always, deliberately lacking in relevant points.

[Pimay1]

The final paragraph of the 2007 Constitution, Section 309, legalises the coup of 2006 and all actions by the military junta prior to and after the coup which overthrew the TS government.

It is the military's Get Out of Jail Free card. The fact that it affects TS criminal record is secondary.

Changing the conversation is very neccesary for some agenda's.

To see the Democrat Party come out so furiously in favor of maintaining the legal status of the coup and all actions by the military junta shows their affiliations. This association will affect them very negatively in future elections.

Right now,Thaksin's politically motivated criminal record is the least of their problems. The alleged murder charges against their own leader is something they are also busy "changing the conversation about".

And the old calgaryll strategy again ' ....Thaksin's politically motivated criminal record....' Very well proven to be false, but keep repeating it again and again.

Attempt at perception management, nothing more.

It's interesting to me that the mods here on TVF (especially metisdead) have not recognized that righteous and the other one or two posters are the same old person registering under a new name and continuing the same old bullshit posts as before.