A member found himself in the unenviable position of presenting the arguments for our own culpability in supporting an atmosphere and in many cases an industry, which has its basis in certain men’s attraction for younger women.

He did not say – but I will say here – that an important element in Western man’s attraction to the Asian woman, is the natural childlike innocents of their beauty.

Of course, there is still quite a way from these desires to the perversions presented in Vietnam. But before we cast any stones, I believe it is important to know, where we are coming from.

What I am trying to find out, though, is what is it that makes people like the convicted, cross the line into the unacceptable?

There is a school of thought that suggests that this sort of behaviour, together with other forms of psychosis and perversions is a result of some form of genetic mutation. That from birth, these people have been on the road to diversion and deviant behaviour.

Whilst not denying this could be the case, I believe, the attitudes towards sex expressed in the society from which this person came from has had a strong influence on his inability to conduct himself within the accepted norms.

Britain is just as confused and hypocritical about sex now, as it was 30 years ago when I first left these islands. The fundamental premise is still the puritanical: sex is a naughty necessity that ought to remain hidden especially as it is so “dirty”.

Yet modern British fashion and popular culture uses sex to promote itself and its products constantly. The pop stars get younger, or rather those they are to represent and be attracted to, fall more and more under the pre-pubescent barrier. Clothes, in particular, regardless of whether you are ten years old or 35 years of age, all seem to reflect the style and cuts worn by 14 year olds.

I have seen grown women – also not exactly thin – walking out in freezing weather with short tee-shirts and bare waistlines and navels. In our area – a conservative Lancashire marketing town with one of England’s best Grammar schools and arguably the best Catholic public school – the school girls dress in such a manner that would make even the “working girls” at the “Classroom” in Pattaya be ashamed

On top of this, tabloids and other media bombard seers with every detail of the slightest “off the record” sexual behaviour of politicians, football players or “soap stars” – in fact anyone who could by the wildest stretches of imagination, be called a “celebrity” – to the extent that these activities far outweigh what other qualities they may, or may not have.

It is from this environment that the pop star was created, who as an old man appeared in court in Vietnam.

Is it any wonder, given that he no longer appealed to it (plus perhaps an inbuilt disposition) he flipped out and committed the crimes he did?

A member found himself in the unenviable position of presenting the arguments for our own culpability in supporting an atmosphere and in many cases an industry, which has its basis in certain men’s attraction for younger women.

He did not say – but I will say here – that an important element in Western man’s attraction to the Asian woman, is the natural childlike innocents of their beauty.

Of course, there is still quite a way from these desires to the perversions presented in Vietnam. But before we cast any stones, I believe it is important to know, where we are coming from.

What I am trying to find out, though, is what is it that makes people like the convicted, cross the line into the unacceptable?

There is a school of thought that suggests that this sort of behaviour, together with other forms of psychosis and perversions is a result of some form of genetic mutation. That from birth, these people have been on the road to diversion and deviant behaviour.

Whilst not denying this could be the case, I believe, the attitudes towards sex expressed in the society from which this person came from has had a strong influence on his inability to conduct himself within the accepted norms.

Britain is just as confused and hypocritical about sex now, as it was 30 years ago when I first left these islands. The fundamental premise is still the puritanical: sex is a naughty necessity that ought to remain hidden especially as it is so “dirty”.

Yet modern British fashion and popular culture uses sex to promote itself and its products constantly. The pop stars get younger, or rather those they are to represent and be attracted to, fall more and more under the pre-pubescent barrier. Clothes, in particular, regardless of whether you are ten years old or 35 years of age, all seem to reflect the style and cuts worn by 14 year olds.

I have seen grown women – also not exactly thin – walking out in freezing weather with short tee-shirts and bare waistlines and navels. In our area – a conservative Lancashire marketing town with one of England’s best Grammar schools and arguably the best Catholic public school – the school girls dress in such a manner that would make even the “working girls” at the “Classroom” in Pattaya be ashamed

On top of this, tabloids and other media bombard seers with every detail of the slightest “off the record” sexual behaviour of politicians, football players or “soap stars” – in fact anyone who could by the wildest stretches of imagination, be called a “celebrity” – to the extent that these activities far outweigh what other qualities they may, or may not have.

It is from this environment that the pop star was created, who as an old man appeared in court in Vietnam.

Is it any wonder, given that he no longer appealed to it (plus perhaps an inbuilt disposition) he flipped out and committed the crimes he did?

Although this is a private forum, I don't think this discussion is suitable...

Media influences permit child prostitution?

Plus he's full of it. The British attitude to sex heavily discourages the behaviour described. Laws and traditions protecting children in the UK include the banning of photography of children in the street.

Instead of fantasising about the UK, Mr Merton should take his bag of hot air over to Japan he might find some ammunition there.

A member found himself in the unenviable position of presenting the arguments for our own culpability in supporting an atmosphere and in many cases an industry, which has its basis in certain men’s attraction for younger women.

He did not say – but I will say here – that an important element in Western man’s attraction to the Asian woman, is the natural childlike innocents of their beauty.

Of course, there is still quite a way from these desires to the perversions presented in Vietnam. But before we cast any stones, I believe it is important to know, where we are coming from.

What I am trying to find out, though, is what is it that makes people like the convicted, cross the line into the unacceptable?

There is a school of thought that suggests that this sort of behaviour, together with other forms of psychosis and perversions is a result of some form of genetic mutation. That from birth, these people have been on the road to diversion and deviant behaviour.

Whilst not denying this could be the case, I believe, the attitudes towards sex expressed in the society from which this person came from has had a strong influence on his inability to conduct himself within the accepted norms.

Britain is just as confused and hypocritical about sex now, as it was 30 years ago when I first left these islands. The fundamental premise is still the puritanical: sex is a naughty necessity that ought to remain hidden especially as it is so “dirty”.

Yet modern British fashion and popular culture uses sex to promote itself and its products constantly. The pop stars get younger, or rather those they are to represent and be attracted to, fall more and more under the pre-pubescent barrier. Clothes, in particular, regardless of whether you are ten years old or 35 years of age, all seem to reflect the style and cuts worn by 14 year olds.

I have seen grown women – also not exactly thin – walking out in freezing weather with short tee-shirts and bare waistlines and navels. In our area – a conservative Lancashire marketing town with one of England’s best Grammar schools and arguably the best Catholic public school – the school girls dress in such a manner that would make even the “working girls” at the “Classroom” in Pattaya be ashamed

On top of this, tabloids and other media bombard seers with every detail of the slightest “off the record” sexual behaviour of politicians, football players or “soap stars” – in fact anyone who could by the wildest stretches of imagination, be called a “celebrity” – to the extent that these activities far outweigh what other qualities they may, or may not have.

It is from this environment that the pop star was created, who as an old man appeared in court in Vietnam.

Is it any wonder, given that he no longer appealed to it (plus perhaps an inbuilt disposition) he flipped out and committed the crimes he did?

Although this is a private forum, I don't think this discussion is suitable...

Media influences permit child prostitution?

Are you saying that some subjects should never be discussed?

How can problems be solved and progress made?

Attitudes to sex might not have changed much in "a conservative Lancashire marketing town", but it's far from being considered anything "dirty" amongst the Brits I know.

And how does the occurence of pedophilia within the British population compare to other countries?

Your suggestions are not convincing, TM.

So what TM is saying is saying the guy is a ghoul feeding off of youth trying to recapture a feeling he has missed for so long he has some sort of distorted fantasy as to what it is? How's that for answering your free association stream of thought with some mumbo jumbo of my own. Hey TM instead of being some sort of sociologist why don't you take your ideas and write fiction? Seriously. Your imagination could be profitable. Maybe TM is trying storylines out on us and our posts help him write is novella.

So what TM is saying is saying the guy is a ghoul feeding off of youth trying to recapture a feeling he has missed for so long he has some sort of distorted fantasy as to what it is? How's that for answering your free association stream of thought with some mumbo jumbo of my own. Hey TM instead of being some sort of sociologist why don't you take your ideas and write fiction? Seriously. Your imagination could be profitable. Maybe TM is trying storylines out on us and our posts help him write is novella.

And just what is fantasy about the sexual distortions of UK society?

That it could produce unfortunates like the man in Vietnam, or his lookalikes who sit half drunk in Pattaya bars?

Or perhaps I should have extended my thoughts to the US? The home of the puritanical Religious Right and a land obsessed, to quote Terry Thomas, “By the tit”.

A land trapped between Mr. Wiggles and Mister Rogers:

TM....

The only people who can answer that..... is the offenders themselves.

TM....

The only people who can answer that..... is the offenders themselves.

Could I then conclude the lack of replies to this thread, as a confirmation of my hypothesis?

TM....

The only people who can answer that..... is the offenders themselves.

Could I then conclude the lack of replies to this thread, as a confirmation of my hypothesis?

NO.....it means there is no answer.....

Could I then conclude the lack of replies to this thread, as a confirmation of my hypothesis?

Or maybe disdain for another troll post which goes close to apologising for a paedophile.

Re-read your post and honestly say you are not apologising for a paedo........

TM - you honestly think views on sex are the same as they were 30yrs ago?

One thing about pedophilia that I find interesting is that I can remember when homosexuality was equally as despised, hated and reviled and it wasn't very long ago.

Was everyone completely deluded back then?

Yes.

They used to lynch blacks in the States not that long ago, didn't they?

Yes.

They used to lynch blacks in the States not that long ago, didn't they?

Is that anything like Paki-bashing?

No.

I see, Porkie gradually reverts back to its normal trolling self.

One thing about pedophilia that I find interesting is that I can remember when homosexuality was equally as despised, hated and reviled and it wasn't very long ago.

Was everyone completely deluded back then?

There's no comparison. Homosexuality is sexual activity between consenting adults.

There's no comparison. Homosexuality is sexual activity between consenting adults.

Endure, I have to agree with you.

This is looking like this thread is getting into a very poor argument by analogy. Just because some things have become accepted and near the mainstream, does not mean others have.

There are many good examples of things that have not been accepted, and I doubt ever would, like Murder, Sexual Assault, and Molesting children. Now the apologists or maybe closet paedo's seem to be putting up all sorts of reason why the world will change. I can't see myself supporting that point of view.

I suppose, I am saying the OP is trying to say something ?

..... – but I will say here – that an important element in Western man’s attraction to the Asian woman, is the natural childlike innocents of their beauty.

Hmm, so what is your preference, you seem so confused in your posts, Boys, Girls, what is it ?

.....I believe, the attitudes towards sex expressed in the society from which this person came from has had a strong influence on his inability to conduct himself within the accepted norms.

Can you directly difine what your accepted Norms are, or the ONLY conclusion is you are a paedophile

I wasn't clear: picking boys or girls from a bar, i.e. prostitution, the legal age limit is 18.

I wasn't clear: picking boys or girls from a bar, i.e. prostitution, the legal age limit is 18.

Zzap, I would check that, if you are paying for it, you might find in LOS its 20.

For consuming alcohol, or entering a bar, it's 20. For consentual sex with exchange of money, it's 18.

Jeez, Khutan, a supermod with 2782 posts doesn't know this?

Zzap, I will take that on the chin I was informed that it was 20, but I am no expert.

Thank you, that's the spirit, no harm done on either side.

He did not say – but I will say here – that an important element in Western man’s attraction to the Asian woman, is the natural childlike innocents of their beauty.

If it it were really that important then how come a lot of western men attracted to asian women are paying for the nose job, breast enlargement etc for their asian other half?

Do they?

Never heard of this before.

TM - you honestly think views on sex are the same as they were 30yrs ago?

Honestly - no.

I think they have become worse, in the sense of more hypocritical, more blatant exploitation, less understanding and half-hearted and often incorrect sex-education.

Take the '70s: they were a period of sexual exploration amongst young people. The libido was given full reign. The Pill and improved sexual cleanliness reduced many of the unhappy consequences of casual sex. Sexual topics were openly discussed. Experimentation in life styles and relationships was more the norm (meaning average) than conservative traditionalism.

Main stream society, including the advertising agencies and the pop world projected via the media, however a more innocent world of peace and love.

Now the reverse is true. Young people have inherited an angst for sex (or even its discussion as demonstrated in this thread) in this post AIDS generation.

Whilst the media try everything from kissing lesbian school girls to the photo gallery of American Apparel - http://www.americanapparel.net/gallery/photocollections/ - to sell their products.

Now the reverse is true. Young people have inherited an angst for sex (or even its discussion as demonstrated in this thread) in this post AIDS generation.

Ooh, quit the trolling, will ye?

Now the reverse is true. Young people have inherited an angst for sex (or even its discussion as demonstrated in this thread) in this post AIDS generation.

How young is young? I thought these days people start experimenting with sex at a much younger age than in the 70's so I don't buy this angst for sex that you refer to.

He did not say – but I will say here – that an important element in Western man’s attraction to the Asian woman, is the natural childlike innocents of their beauty.

If it it were really that important then how come a lot of western men attracted to asian women are paying for the nose job, breast enlargement etc for their asian other half?

I think you'll find thats more often the preference of the women, and the guy just gets cashed up for it. Well, maybe not the breast job!

The 'big wide eyes are beautiful' thing that you see a lot of out here and in Japan I think comes directly from that childlike innocent look TM is describing as so attractive to men, Western or otherwise.