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[WhiteCadillac]

There are plenty of idiots in Pattaya with too much money so business skills doesnt matter.

On the subject: Buy Isuzu/Toyota for quality, and only buy Ford/Mazda if you fancy the looks of them with the risk of getting inferior quality.

[transam]

There are plenty of idiots in Pattaya with too much money so business skills doesnt matter.

On the subject: Buy Isuzu/Toyota for quality, and only buy Ford/Mazda if you fancy the looks of them with the risk of getting inferior quality.

What a pleasant post.

[guzzi850m2]

There are plenty of idiots in Pattaya with too much money so business skills doesnt matter.

On the subject: Buy Isuzu/Toyota for quality, and only buy Ford/Mazda if you fancy the looks of them with the risk of getting inferior quality.

Nonsense, the old Ranger was know to be rock solid, just ask TV member Stingray, I think he have a 2'nd hand car dealer ship for many years here in Pattaya so he have loads of experience on the subject.

Why shouldn't the new ranger be just as solid/robust as the 2 major Thai truck brands? It's developed in Australia for the market down there, 50 deg.C, dust and sand are normal in the outback there, if there was a problem we would have read about in the ranger Aus. forum and I haven't read anything yet about major problems.

Resale value? Well only time will tell. I got mine 50K bath below current sales price so I got a bit lee way when the time come to sell.

And just for your information: I don't consider myself as an idiot nor do my family & friends and I don't have too much money either, if I had I would have bought a Porsche Cheyenne as a certain prominent member here on motor forum.

[transam]

Toyota isn't a Thai brand, it's Japanese.

[BSJ]

"will cost about 992K baht,"

Have you considered the Tata Xenon? When I was out a Land Transport a while back I had a look at one and it's.....impressive. Plus about 300 baht cheaper.

[BlackPuddingBertha]

There are plenty of idiots in Pattaya with too much money so business skills doesnt matter.

It mattered to me when I was buying here.

On the subject: Buy Isuzu/Toyota for quality, and only buy Ford/Mazda if you fancy the looks of them with the risk of getting inferior quality.

I looked at Isuzu. No stock. Long delivery dates. No negotiation.

I looked at Toyota. No stock. Long delivery dates. No negotiation.

I looked at Ford. No stock. Absurd delivery dates. No negotiation.

I looked at Mazda. Silly prices for the model that suited me.

[JaiLai]

Go to the dealers and test ride as many as possible.

Ho ho. Good luck trying to do that in Pattaya.

Buyer: do you have a model I can test drive?

Dealer: mai mi.

Buyer: do you have a model I can look at?

Dealer: mai mi.

Buyer: do you have the faintest idea what "business skills" are?

Dealer: mai mi.

Brilliant!

[IMHO]

Isuzu: outdated yes, when compared to latest technology, well proven and easily maintainable here is another way to put it.

The crash test reports are important and Ranger does fare better than Isuzu by a wide margin, troubling aspect that.

Where is all this talk of the Isuzu being outdated coming from? The thing was first released in October 2011 - a whole one month before the T6 Ranger was released.

Are we talking about the latest k-pop tune here or cars? LOL

The only major carry-over from the previous generation are the engines, but the higher models did receive some minor tweaks for the current gen truck (improvements in FE and NVH).

Also, you might be happy to know that the current D-Max gets 4-stars on EuroNCAP tests - there's only 2 models on the Thai market right now that fare better - the 1.1M Baht impossible-to-assemble Ranger 3.2L Wildtrak, and the 1.9M Baht impossible-to-justify Volkswagen Amarok.

[Spoonman]

I think the reference that the Izuzu is outdated is due to them keeping their old driveline and as such people perceive that the old vehicle had an extensive face-lift.

Why is the Ranger (Wildtrak) impossible to assemble ?

[IMHO]

I think the reference that the Izuzu is outdated is due to them keeping their old driveline and as such people perceive that the old vehicle had an extensive face-lift.

Why is the Ranger (Wildtrak) impossible to assemble ?

Yeah well, who doesn't do that? The Vigo's engines are carry-overs from the last of the Hilux Tigers, the Rangers engines have been in service in Mondeos and Transit vans for several years now, Mitsu's 2.5L has been around for well over a decade, etc.

As for the 3.2L Wildtrak - that's the 1.1M Baht question :D

[Spoonman]

The Ranger driveline is new for the Ranger, it would be nice if it was as simply the "Mondeo/Transit" engine as this would open up performance mods however the ECU for the Ranger is not an easy one to crack (Yet).

The Vigo is still the old model hence it has the old driveline.

Did not realise there was new a new mitsu out with the old driveline, when did this happen ?

No answer for your claim the Wildtrak is impossible to assemble ?

[MaiChai]

My best advice is shop around and buy what you think is the best/fits your needs. Each brand is always trying to out do the others. Make sure you take a test drive in each.

Mind you, also consider which models get high marks in western countries for safety. That might save your life in dangerous Thailand!

My first pickup was a Isuzu. The second was a Triton. Could never buy another Isuzu as the engines are noisy and unrefined and the Triton drove like a car compared to the Isuzu which drove like dump truck. But i would still test drive them all and buy which one i thought was the best.

[Ace of Pop]

I can assure You the new Isuzu isn't a Clacker. Weird things these oilers . Having been dragged around loads of Showrooms, i was amazed the BMW Fortuna thing clatters same as everyone elses product , but the Car doesn't for some reason. The Car i would like but its out of my league.I could live with all low rider trucks these days. Spoons spot on with his Mondeo observation. .

[IMHO]

The Ranger driveline is new for the Ranger, it would be nice if it was as simply the "Mondeo/Transit" engine as this would open up performance mods however the ECU for the Ranger is not an easy one to crack (Yet).

The Vigo is still the old model hence it has the old driveline.

Did not realise there was new a new mitsu out with the old driveline, when did this happen ?

No answer for your claim the Wildtrak is impossible to assemble ?

You're mincing words - sure the "driveline" including transmission etc is a new mix, but the engines are the engines from the Mondeo/Transit.

As for the Wildtrak - ask Ford - they never did offer a proper explanation as to why they had to stop accepting bookings for the 3.2L Wildtrak, just that they had to.

Seems like I've hit a nerve, whatever, obviously no point continuing the convo with you it seems LOL

[Jitar]

Maybe impossible to assemble was not an ideal choice of words.

Virtually impossible to deliver in Thailand seems to be the current status.

Piy no one can shed any light on the real reason for the 3.2L Ranger's delivery problems.

[keemapoot]

Maybe impossible to assemble was not an ideal choice of words.

Virtually impossible to deliver in Thailand seems to be the current status.

Piy no one can shed any light on the real reason for the 3.2L Ranger's delivery problems.

Any insider (most likely Ford executive) that shared that kind of info on a public forum would not only get fired, but most likely be sued for disclosing company trade secrets that could be used by the competition against Ford.

Guess we're not likely to know why...

[Spoonman]

The Ranger driveline is new for the Ranger, it would be nice if it was as simply the "Mondeo/Transit" engine as this would open up performance mods however the ECU for the Ranger is not an easy one to crack (Yet).

The Vigo is still the old model hence it has the old driveline.

Did not realise there was new a new mitsu out with the old driveline, when did this happen ?

No answer for your claim the Wildtrak is impossible to assemble ?

You're mincing words - sure the "driveline" including transmission etc is a new mix, but the engines are the engines from the Mondeo/Transit.

As for the Wildtrak - ask Ford - they never did offer a proper explanation as to why they had to stop accepting bookings for the 3.2L Wildtrak, just that they had to.

Seems like I've hit a nerve, whatever, obviously no point continuing the convo with you it seems LOL

Nope no nerve at all, was just curious as to how you come to conclusion they are impossible to assemble.

Maybe impossible to assemble was not an ideal choice of words.

Virtually impossible to deliver in Thailand seems to be the current status.

Piy no one can shed any light on the real reason for the 3.2L Ranger's delivery problems.

I heard Thai sales had be halted so that ford can feed other markets the 3.2 first (only the wildtrak is affected obviously as it is the only local offering with the 3.2). Mazda has no issues delivery the 3.2.

[watcharacters]

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Bigger doesn't always equate to safer but I guess my saloon would've sustained even greater damage. Thank goodness for airbags even if there isn't as many as I'd like.

The dummy's position in relation to the steering wheel and instrument panel after the crash test indicates the driver's survival space wasn't maintained well.

[Ace of Pop]

I think the height of trucks gives many people, more so Thais a feeling of Safety. Dont foreget SOME are based on , for arguments sake a P500 Fod Sierra / Toyo Hi Lux type. A Normall Car converted to a Ute.

[IMHO]

The most recent/only effort by Ford to explain the Wildtrack situation was this from almost exactly one whole year ago. I never did see the promised May 2012 update...

Today we have sent letters via post to each our
all-new Ranger Wildtrak customers to provide an update on the status of
our production and current delays on delivery. The letter reiterates
that the delays are largely a result of disruption to our production
from last year’s floods, and the fact that some of our key suppliers are
still in the recovery process.


Unfortunately, we could not have anticipated the current length of
delays, and despite working around the clock at our plant and with our
suppliers to improve the situation, our monthly production volume
continues to be much lower than what is necessary to fulfill our current
orders.


It is with much regret that we are still unable to provide our customers
with a specific delivery date for their new Ranger Wildtrak, and for
this, we offer our deepest and sincere apologies.


However, we did share other actions that we are taking, as we try to
demonstrate our appreciation for the current situation of our Wildtrak
customers:


1. We have stopped taking any more new orders for the Ranger Wildtrak so
that we can focus on completing deliveries of current orders as quickly
as possible. That means we will not be taking Wildtrak bookings at the
upcoming Bangkok Motor Show.


2. We continue to work on improving the situation and will deliver
vehicles to customers prioritized on the basis of the date of the
original order and parts availability.


3. We guarantee that all Wildtrak orders are price-protected, and will not be subject to any price increase.


4. We will provide our customers with a further update in early May.


We do appreciate that some customers may not be willing or able to wait
any longer and may wish to cancel their booking. Although we never want
to lose a valued customer, we will ensure that our Ford dealers respect requests for deposit refunds should any customer wish to do so.


On behalf of Ford Motor Company, we again offer our sincere apologies
for this situation. We greatly appreciate our customers’ understanding
of what has been an extraordinary and unforeseen circumstance that
continues to impact so many people and businesses throughout Thailand.


Customers with any questions are encouraged to contact their Ford dealer, or the Ford Call Center at 0-2686-5899 (Bangkok) or 1-800-293-333 (toll-free from upcountry)."

Honestly, the flood defence is a bit long in the tooth now..

[chiang mai]

Good stuff, now can we can get back on track with the original question, please.

[stevenl]

Back on track please:

So the message I get here is that the BT50 and the Ranger (same vehicle really) look nicer and are potentially safer vehicles (per assumed crash test reports), those two vehicles also include more modern techology than the Isuzu although there are acknowledged problems with after sales service. Anything else that is meaningful?

Acknowledged problems with the after sales service for Ford, not for Mazda.

[chiang mai]

Back on track please:

So the message I get here is that the BT50 and the Ranger (same vehicle really) look nicer and are potentially safer vehicles (per assumed crash test reports), those two vehicles also include more modern techology than the Isuzu although there are acknowledged problems with after sales service. Anything else that is meaningful?

Acknowledged problems with the after sales service for Ford, not for Mazda.

Indeed.

Anyone know the pricing for the BT50, off the top of their head?

[stevenl]

Back on track please:

So the message I get here is that the BT50 and the Ranger (same vehicle really) look nicer and are potentially safer vehicles (per assumed crash test reports), those two vehicles also include more modern techology than the Isuzu although there are acknowledged problems with after sales service. Anything else that is meaningful?

Acknowledged problems with the after sales service for Ford, not for Mazda.

Indeed.

Anyone know the pricing for the BT50, off the top of their head?

872?k for the 2.2 auto 4 door. (5k less if in white)

[IMHO]

Back on track please:

So the message I get here is that the BT50 and the Ranger (same vehicle really) look nicer and are potentially safer vehicles (per assumed crash test reports), those two vehicles also include more modern techology than the Isuzu although there are acknowledged problems with after sales service. Anything else that is meaningful?

Acknowledged problems with the after sales service for Ford, not for Mazda.

Indeed.

Anyone know the pricing for the BT50, off the top of their head?

http://www.mazda.co.th/models_bt-50profreestylecab_price.php

http://www.mazda.co.th/models_bt-50prodoublecab_price.php

[stevenl]

Sorry, I was 7K too cheap according to the IMHO's link.

[Jitar]

Back on track please:

So the message I get here is that the BT50 and the Ranger (same vehicle really) look nicer and are potentially safer vehicles (per assumed crash test reports), those two vehicles also include more modern techology than the Isuzu although there are acknowledged problems with after sales service. Anything else that is meaningful?

Acknowledged problems with the after sales service for Ford, not for Mazda.

Ford obviously have a problem with their 3.2L Ranger delivery but assuming the sale is completed, what is the after-sales problem?

My experience with Ford and Mazda dealers for after-sales service (repairs and preventative maintenance) has been OK.

Our old model Ranger has been fine and Mazda have had no problems keeping our Mazda 3 on the road.

The only gripe I have is occasionally parts are bundled into an assembly that could be smaller and cheaper but most manufacturers play that game.

The Toyota dealer we use is slightly more organised but also more busy and less flexible.

The Mitsubishi dealers I have dealt with are not too different to Ford and Mazda.

My wife tells me Honda have better waiting room coffee though .

[Ace of Pop]

Well ive just paid 35 K for a stupid 666 No Plate.. .I allway thought folks who paid for such crap were Mad. Im a Wallnet Sized Brain kinda Guy . If it feels good .Do It.. I only loved BMW for their dash layout, a 500 Sierra was a better Car. Enjoy Today.

Do you know what 666 means. ?

No but its 555 now Ive put the Leo Tin down, pissed n happy,all the same to me waste of money.

35 K for a 555 plate on a Honda??

Sounds about 10% of it's real value on a really nice day with the sun shining..... Too many Leo's perhaps.

http://www.tabiendee.com/search_result.php

Er in Doors has coughed up.She ordered it, but i did give it a pissed O.K.

[transam]

You do know some numbers are unlucky in this culture.

[phutoie2]

Toyota isn't a Thai brand, it's Japanese.

There was me thinking my Weego was built by Somchai Motors Corp.