Woman Who Ran Secret Prison In Thailand Bypassed As Top Spy

[webfact]

Woman who ran secret prison bypassed as top spy
By The Associated Press ADAM GOLDMAN (Associated Press), KIMBERLY DOZIER (Associated Press)

WASHINGTON - (AP) -- One of the CIA's highest-ranking women, who once ran a CIA prison in Thailand where terror suspects were waterboarded, has been bypassed for the agency's top spy job.

The officer, who remains undercover, was a finalist for the job and would have become the first female chief of clandestine operations.

As one of the last remaining senior CIA officers who held leadership roles in the agency's interrogation and detention program, however, she was a politically risky pick.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, has criticized the interrogation program and personally urged CIA Director John Brennan not to promote the woman, according to a former senior intelligence briefed on the call.

Full story: http://newjersey.news12.com/news/nation-world/woman-who-ran-secret-prison-bypassed-as-top-spy-1.5214974?firstfree=yes

-- New Jersey News 2013-05-08

[gl555]

Stupid ass liberal politicians who know nothing about various jobs in the government screwing over people qualified to do a job because of politics.

[Thai at Heart]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

[mca]

The officer, who remains undercover, was a finalist for the job

But turned up in disguise for the interview and nobody recognized her so she missed her chance.....

[chainarong]

I have heard that the prison is now in Dubai, how true this is one cannot tell ,as you really can't believe anything out of Thailand, similar problem arises with China , but that's another story.

Edited May 8, 2013 by chainarong

[BKS22]

god bless Waterboarding....and any other ways of extracting information from death mongering terrorists. We need more Jack Bauer's in this world.

[disagree]

Stupid ass liberal politicians who know nothing about various jobs in the government screwing over people qualified to do a job because of politics.

oh yes the government protects you and knows what's best for you...

live in the bubble my friend

[richard_smith237]

god bless Waterboarding....and any other ways of extracting information from death mongering terrorists. We need more Jack Bauer's in this world. http://static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif'>http://static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif

*Deleted quote edited out*

This is a very dark area.

There are things that go on in this world that we are not privy to. There are those who wish to destroy our freedom by any means necessary. There are those who have chosen to protect our freedom by any means necessary and by doing so have turned a dark corner and given up their lives for ours.

Freedom isn't free. It comes at a price, and those people who protect us pay that price when they are forced to become someone I'm sure they would prefer not to be in order to obtain information and intelligence to continue to protect our freedom.

The idealism that everyone lives by the rules is naive. For us to be free to follow the rules of society a small few have to be prepared to break moral boundaries to maintain society.

Some people have given up their human rights when they turn to terrorism, unfortunately there will be collateral cost, the protection of the masses outweighs the civil rights of the few who have either proven themselves to be sub-human or for some reason caught within a web of suspicion.

There is also a grey area in there somewhere which makes this a very tricky debate.... but when talking absolutes, I have no doubt which I would rather have protecting me between rights or people to protect us against those to wish to do harm to our society.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Scott
Deleted Quote Edited out

[eezergood]

These people are hiding Elvis!

[geriatrickid]

Stupid ass liberal politicians who know nothing about various jobs in the government screwing over people qualified to do a job because of politics.

Sen. Feinstein was not alone in her position. I don't suppose that it matters that a more appropriate person was selected?

'the head of the CIA's Latin American Division, a former station chief in Pakistan who former officials said once ran the covert action that helped remove Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic from power. That program is regarded inside the CIA as a blueprint for running a successful peaceful covert action.'

[Thai at Heart]

Stupid ass liberal politicians who know nothing about various jobs in the government screwing over people qualified to do a job because of politics.

Sen. Feinstein was not alone in her position. I don't suppose that it matters that a more appropriate person was selected?

'the head of the CIA's Latin American Division, a former station chief in Pakistan who former officials said once ran the covert action that helped remove Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic from power. That program is regarded inside the CIA as a blueprint for running a successful peaceful covert action.'

Indeed, getting others to do your dirty work is an innate ability not all possess.

[TheShockMaster]

I think some TV posters need to understand sarcasm before 'quoting' other members posts and taking everything so seriously.

[hookedondhamma]

These people are hiding Elvis!

I thought it was Tupac. Elvis is in the Bahamas ...

[hookedondhamma]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

You sir, need to stop before you're accused of labeling secret prisons as makeshift prostitution rings, then sued for ... defamation!! * screams*

[Payboy]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

You sir, need to stop before you're accused of labeling secret prisons as makeshift prostitution rings, then sued for ... defamation!! * screams*

That wasn't a prison, it was just a BDSM club.

[Thai at Heart]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

You sir, need to stop before you're accused of labeling secret prisons as makeshift prostitution rings, then sued for ... defamation!! * screams*

That wasn't a prison, it was just a BDSM club.

Well, that would probably automatically disqualify her candidacy right?

[Payboy]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

You sir, need to stop before you're accused of labeling secret prisons as makeshift prostitution rings, then sued for ... defamation!! * screams*

That wasn't a prison, it was just a BDSM club.

Well, that would probably automatically disqualify her candidacy right?

I guess she'll find other jobs to do.

[Thai at Heart]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

You sir, need to stop before you're accused of labeling secret prisons as makeshift prostitution rings, then sued for ... defamation!! * screams*

That wasn't a prison, it was just a BDSM club.

Well, that would probably automatically disqualify her candidacy right?

I guess she'll find other jobs to do.

Hey, whips, chains, waterboarding.

One man's torture ...

[moe666]

god bless Waterboarding....and any other ways of extracting information from death mongering terrorists. We need more Jack Bauer's in this world. http://static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif

*Deleted quote edited out*

This is a very dark area.

There are things that go on in this world that we are not privy to. There are those who wish to destroy our freedom by any means necessary. There are those who have chosen to protect our freedom by any means necessary and by doing so have turned a dark corner and given up their lives for ours.

Freedom isn't free. It comes at a price, and those people who protect us pay that price when they are forced to become someone I'm sure they would prefer not to be in order to obtain information and intelligence to continue to protect our freedom.

The idealism that everyone lives by the rules is naive. For us to be free to follow the rules of society a small few have to be prepared to break moral boundaries to maintain society.

Some people have given up their human rights when they turn to terrorism, unfortunately there will be collateral cost, the protection of the masses outweighs the civil rights of the few who have either proven themselves to be sub-human or for some reason caught within a web of suspicion.

There is also a grey area in there somewhere which makes this a very tricky debate.... but when talking absolutes, I have no doubt which I would rather have protecting me between rights or people to protect us against those to wish to do harm to our society.

Its a small step to screwing terroirist to screwing law abiding citizens. Cannot agree with your statement you are willing to give up to easy.

[disagree]

This is a very dark area.

There are things that go on in this world that we are not privy to. There are those who wish to destroy our freedom by any means necessary. There are those who have chosen to protect our freedom by any means necessary and by doing so have turned a dark corner and given up their lives for ours.

Freedom isn't free. It comes at a price, and those people who protect us pay that price when they are forced to become someone I'm sure they would prefer not to be in order to obtain information and intelligence to continue to protect our freedom.

The idealism that everyone lives by the rules is naive. For us to be free to follow the rules of society a small few have to be prepared to break moral boundaries to maintain society.

Some people have given up their human rights when they turn to terrorism, unfortunately there will be collateral cost, the protection of the masses outweighs the civil rights of the few who have either proven themselves to be sub-human or for some reason caught within a web of suspicion.

There is also a grey area in there somewhere which makes this a very tricky debate.... but when talking absolutes, I have no doubt which I would rather have protecting me between rights or people to protect us against those to wish to do harm to our society.

I hope that you're part of the system so you get something out of it; otherwise your statements would sound as of a tool. In case you really believe what you're writing I do recommend some easy reading such as 1984 and Oil!

Part of your 'freedom' is education. Use it...

[alfalfa19]

In addition, some of the people who turn that dark corner really enjoy killing and torturing people. Not all of them are doing it out of a sense of duty, and a desire to protect our society.

[wayned]

I turned down the job since I would have had to give up my undercover role as a retired expat living in Thailand and move back to the States. The money wasn't worth the sacrifice.

[brd199]

But, but, but, Thailand claims there was never any such thing............

Thailand doesn't have any secret jails and doesn't have any involvement with or knowledge of alleged secret prisons run by the CIA, Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said Thursday.

Speaking in response to reports published in the Washington Post and to Opposition demands for 'clarification' regarding the reported existence of a CIA-sponsored secret detention site for terrorist suspects in Thailand, Mr. Thaksin in a televised press conference flatly denied present or former existence of any such facility in Thailand.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-11133817_ITM

[pattayaorganic]

god bless Waterboarding....and any other ways of extracting information from death mongering terrorists. We need more Jack Bauer's in this world. http://static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif

*Deleted quote edited out*

This is a very dark area.

There are things that go on in this world that we are not privy to. There are those who wish to destroy our freedom by any means necessary. There are those who have chosen to protect our freedom by any means necessary and by doing so have turned a dark corner and given up their lives for ours.

Freedom isn't free. It comes at a price, and those people who protect us pay that price when they are forced to become someone I'm sure they would prefer not to be in order to obtain information and intelligence to continue to protect our freedom.

The idealism that everyone lives by the rules is naive. For us to be free to follow the rules of society a small few have to be prepared to break moral boundaries to maintain society.

Some people have given up their human rights when they turn to terrorism, unfortunately there will be collateral cost, the protection of the masses outweighs the civil rights of the few who have either proven themselves to be sub-human or for some reason caught within a web of suspicion.

There is also a grey area in there somewhere which makes this a very tricky debate.... but when talking absolutes, I have no doubt which I would rather have protecting me between rights or people to protect us against those to wish to do harm to our society.

"Those that would give up liberty for security deserve neither."

You are assuming that the world is full of green goblins with the sole intent on ruining it for the free world. You are also assuming that we need to water board to get critical intelligence information. You are also assuming that the intelligence agencies have no other agenda than protecting the free world.

Well you are wrong on all parts. Former CIA officials and intelligence analysts have given strong supporting evidence that water boarding and other more severe forms of torture do not provide valuable intelligence. It is well documented that CIA and DoD operatives in Iraq have been involved in the swindling of billions of dollars of US paper currency that was supposed to be meant for purchasing intelligence data. It has also been shown that various US citizen groups, environmentalists and political opponents have been targeted under the guise of national security.

Given human nature and greed, we need to worry much more about protecting ourselves from fascist governments than some hollywood inspired "terrorists". I am not saying we do not need intelligence and do not need to protect ourselves from potential threats. But when doing so becomes a multi-billion dollar industry, one must tread carefully as before you know it you, like the proverbial frog in the pot, will find yourself in hot water, i.e. a slave and you will have enslaved yourself in the name of freedom.

[simple1]

god bless Waterboarding....and any other ways of extracting information from death mongering terrorists. We need more Jack Bauer's in this world. http://static.thaivisa.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif

*Deleted quote edited out*

This is a very dark area.

There are things that go on in this world that we are not privy to. There are those who wish to destroy our freedom by any means necessary. There are those who have chosen to protect our freedom by any means necessary and by doing so have turned a dark corner and given up their lives for ours.

Freedom isn't free. It comes at a price, and those people who protect us pay that price when they are forced to become someone I'm sure they would prefer not to be in order to obtain information and intelligence to continue to protect our freedom.

The idealism that everyone lives by the rules is naive. For us to be free to follow the rules of society a small few have to be prepared to break moral boundaries to maintain society.

Some people have given up their human rights when they turn to terrorism, unfortunately there will be collateral cost, the protection of the masses outweighs the civil rights of the few who have either proven themselves to be sub-human or for some reason caught within a web of suspicion.

There is also a grey area in there somewhere which makes this a very tricky debate.... but when talking absolutes, I have no doubt which I would rather have protecting me between rights or people to protect us against those to wish to do harm to our society.

Its a small step to screwing terrorist to screwing law abiding citizens. Cannot agree with your statement you are willing to give up to easy.

And underlining a comment in post#25 "Former CIA officials and intelligence analysts have given strong supporting evidence that water boarding and other more severe forms of torture do not provide valuable intelligence"

[FDog]

The problem is that they torture people when they have no idea if they are terrorists or not. I don't think it would be a great experience for an innocent to be taken and tortured.

I guess it is also quite ok for other countries to torture people from the US. What's good for the goose.

[Suradit69]

Stupid ass liberal politicians who know nothing about various jobs in the government screwing over people qualified to do a job because of politics.

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

[Khun Watchaporn]

Nisa?

[Morden]

The CIA is so convinced that water-boarding is acceptable that it's done secretly in other countries!

I cannot accept the argument that, whilst taking the moral high ground as regards terrorists, it is acceptable to adopt the same tactics as them. It seems that torture has been used at Guantanamo and yet only three of the people held have been convicted. If that's correct, then many innocent people there have been tortured.

[unanimosity]

Stupid ass liberal politicians who know nothing about various jobs in the government screwing over people qualified to do a job because of politics.

Sen. Feinstein was not alone in her position. I don't suppose that it matters that a more appropriate person was selected?

'the head of the CIA's Latin American Division, a former station chief in Pakistan who former officials said once ran the covert action that helped remove Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic from power. That program is regarded inside the CIA as a blueprint for running a successful peaceful covert action.'

A perfect example of how two people can disagree and both be right.