Chalerm Skeptically Welcomes N S C Chief's Reinstatement

[webfact]

Chalerm skeptically welcomes NSC chief’s reinstatement
By English News



BANGKOK, June 3 – Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yubamrung said today he has no problem with the reinstatement of Thawil Pliensri to head the National Security Council (NSC) as ruled by the Administrative Court.

“Mr Thawil will simply sign documents if he becomes NSC secretary general. I have never trusted intelligence of the Special Branch Bureau and the NSC anyway,” he said.

He said two high-ranking NSC officials, Surapol Puenaiyaka and Paradorn Patanatabut, had never petitioned when they were transferred to inactive posts by former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

“They never put pressure on Mr Abhisit. It is not right for Mr Thawil to pressure the government. He should wait for the Prime Minister’s Office resolution whether it would appeal the Administrative Court’s ruling,” Mr Chalerm said.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has assigned the PM’s Office to thoroughly study the court’s verdict to decide if the government would appeal in Mr Thawil’s case.

Mr Chalerm said Lt Gen Paradorn, current NSC secretary general, remains authorised to hold peace talks with the Barisan Revolusi Nasional (BRN) militant movement in Kuala Lumpur on June 13.

“The Thai delegation has prepared a five-point proposal for the talks. If there is neither progress nor conclusion, we will have to review the dialogue procedure,” the deputy prime minister said.

Former premier Abhisit called on Ms Yingluck to reinstate Mr Thawil to head the NSC as ruled by the Administrative Court instead of prolonging the case until Mr Thawil’s retirement. (MCOT online news)


-- TNA 2013-2013-06-03

[Robby nz]

We all knew Chalerm was a top class A hole but puts it up in bright lights.

I have never trusted intelligence of the Special Branch Bureau and the NSC anyway,” he said.

Because they are still staying independent and not under control.

The DSI is the only one to be trusted.

He really needs to be getting intelligence from someone for he doesn't seem to be displaying much himself.

[JetsetBkk]

Mr Thawil will simply sign documents if he becomes NSC secretary general. I have never trusted intelligence of the Special Branch Bureau and the NSC anyway, he said.

Followed by:

"Did I say that out loud?"

[soi41]

Do we really have to wait another 7 months, before we can behead this idiot??

[GentlemanJim]

I have never trusted intelligence of the Special Branch Bureau and the NSC anyway,” he said.

Time to start wearing that kevlar Mr Chalerm.

[Phuket Stan]

Is the ear medicine getting stronger or he is on a higher daily dosage

[Robby nz]

Mr Chalerm said Lt Gen Paradorn, current NSC secretary general, remains authorised to hold peace talks with the Barisan Revolusi Nasional (BRN) militant movement in Kuala Lumpur on June 13.

Thought it was Chalerm who had been ordered by the PM to lead the talks?

Has he chickened out and authorised the Gen to go in his place, or will he still be going but not taking part in the talks?

[Mosha]

Do we really have to wait another 7 months, before we can behead this idiot??

Then where will we get our laughs.

[OzMick]

Do we really have to wait another 7 months, before we can behead this idiot??

He has many similarities to a cockroach - I fear that he may wander around headless for many months until he finally starves to death.

He would probably still manage to get ear medicine down his neck.

[bigbamboo]

People trust Chalerm about as much as they trust his gun toting son!

[hellodolly]

I have never trusted intelligence of the Special Branch Bureau and the NSC anyway,” he said.

Time to start wearing that kevlar Mr Chalerm.

Sorry to say i don't know what a kevlaris. Does it go on top of his tin foil hat or below it?

While I am here the article said

"The Thai delegation has prepared a five-point proposal for the talks.

If there is neither progress nor conclusion, we will have to review the

dialogue procedure,” the deputy prime minister said."

Why wait start now. They aren't even talking to the right people.

[Skywalker69]

Is the ear medicine getting stronger or he is on a higher daily dosage

He must be on "overdose"

[waza]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

[473geo]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

Followed by Abhisit making the important point that he should be reinstated before he retires in 7 months....wow that will endear Abhisit to the electorate for sure.....nothing like directing focus to a crucial reinstatement..... for 7 months....... to get the voters on your side.....

Edited June 3, 2013 by 473geo

[NongKhaiKid]

His foot in mouth problem just gets worse and it sums up Thaksin's puppet government when this idiot has a post, for less a senior post in it, loyalty and obedience over ability.

The attitude prevailing these days was laid out quite clearly when he said Thawil should not have pressured the government and that sums it up, the government wants to do what it likes and no one should challenge in any way.

[waza]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

Followed by Abhisit making the important point that he should be reinstated before he retires in 7 months....wow that will endear Abhisit to the electorate for sure.....nothing like directing focus to a crucial reinstatement..... for 7 months....... to get the voters on your side.....

My goodness another, "What about Abhist" post from the best and brightest of the, "I don't support Thaksin butt", group. So predictable.

Edited June 3, 2013 by waza

[Bellweather]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

There's an old saying which is something about people getting the kind of government they deserve and other than the PTP / red shirt sheep who would vote for anything connected to Thaksin no one deserves this clown and the government he represents. In a properly constituted administration no PM in his / her right mind would consider Chalerm for a cabinet post and a decent parliamentary party would be hard pushed to even allow him membership but Thailand has the problem that all PTP decisions, policies, actions etc. are the sole preserve of one man and look what happens !

[webfact]

CONTROVERSIAL TRANSFER
Prime minister advised to give Thawil his NSC position back
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday advised Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra to reinstate Thawil Pliensri as chief of the National Security Council, saying Thawil was the best person qualified for the job and the Central Administrative Court had ordered his reinstatement.

Abhisit explained that Thawil was the best candidate because he had developed his career at the agency and could continue with his job of trying to end the South insurgency. He said Yingluck should find another position for current NSC chief General Paradorn Pattanathabutr.

The Central Administrative Court ruled last week that transferring Thawil to an advisory position at the PM's Office was unlawful and ordered the PM to reinstate him at the NSC as soon as possible.

A Government House source said Yingluck was planning to appeal the verdict and expects the case to take long enough for the verdict to coincide with Thawil's retirement next year.

Abhisit said while Yingluck had the right to appeal against the ruling, it should not have been announced in a move to pressure Thawil out. If Yingluck went ahead with appealing the verdict, then Thawil also had the right to file a complaint against the PM with the National Anti-Corruption Commission.

Meanwhile, Deputy Premier Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday warned Thawil against putting too much pressure on the government. He explained that it was normal practice for a new government to replace the NSC chief because it would find it difficult to trust a person appointed by the previous administration.

He also called on the media to not focus too much on Thawil's case, adding that when Abhisit took over as PM, he had transferred then-NSC chief General Surapol Puenaiyaka, then-permanent secretary for Interior Ministry Pirapol Traithasawit and then-Bangkok city clerk Pongsak Semsan to advisory positions.

Chalerm said the PM's Office and the Office of the Attorney-General were considering whether to appeal against Thawil's ruling, though the final decision was with Yingluck. He said if it was up to him, he would certainly appeal against the ruling.

Chalerm added that since Paradorn was still the NSC chief, Thawil's case would not affect the ongoing talks with insurgent groups in the South.


-- The Nation 2013-06-04

[NongKhaiKid]

Mr Thawil will simply sign documents if he becomes NSC secretary general. I have never trusted intelligence of the Special Branch Bureau and the NSC anyway, he said.

Followed by:

>"Did I say that out loud?"

It's hard to believe this man has overall responsibility for the RTP because he's the first to criticise them in public which does wonders for morale. A couple of weeks ago it was crime scene investigation in the South and now he says he has " never ' trusted intelligence from the Special Branch.

Two principles i was taught on a command course a long time ago have escaped Chalerm a) praise in public, reprimand in private and you can delegate your authority but not your responsibility. I think he operates on a daily basis as guided and inspired by such valuable advisors as Mr. Johnny Walker and the like.

[A Member]

Chalerm's loyalty and usefulness is only to one man and in exchange the whole country has this idiot and total embarrassment foisted on them as a very senior member of the government.

[Ricardo]

Perhaps DPM Super-Chalerm might wish to organise a Welcome-Back Party ?

Edited June 4, 2013 by Ricardo

[473geo]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

Followed by Abhisit making the important point that he should be reinstated before he retires in 7 months....wow that will endear Abhisit to the electorate for sure.....nothing like directing focus to a crucial reinstatement..... for 7 months....... to get the voters on your side.....

My goodness another, "What about Abhist" post from the best and brightest of the, "I don't support Thaksin butt", group. So predictable.

There is only a post concerning Abhisit because he chose to try and be seen to be involved........insisting on reinstating a man who even if re-employed immediately has 7 months of his tenure remaining.........now if that appears to be a rather insignificant cause to support.....well I guess it is a little more credible than being concerned about what passport one man travels on....unfortunately without the support of the military Abhisit is becoming no more than a minor irritation.....rankles a bit does it, That while Chalerm attracts criticism it leaves Abhisit open to adverse comments too......suck it up and stop moaning.

[GrantSmith]

So if Chalerm doesn't trust the intelligence given to him by Special Branch and the NSC, why does he give a toss if Lt. Gen Thawil is reinstated?

[khunken]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

Followed by Abhisit making the important point that he should be reinstated before he retires in 7 months....wow that will endear Abhisit to the electorate for sure.....nothing like directing focus to a crucial reinstatement..... for 7 months....... to get the voters on your side.....

My goodness another, "What about Abhist" post from the best and brightest of the, "I don't support Thaksin butt", group. So predictable.

There is only a post concerning Abhisit because he chose to try and be seen to be involved........insisting on reinstating a man who even if re-employed immediately has 7 months of his tenure remaining.........now if that appears to be a rather insignificant cause to support.....well I guess it is a little more credible than being concerned about what passport one man travels on....unfortunately without the support of the military Abhisit is becoming no more than a minor irritation.....rankles a bit does it, That while Chalerm attracts criticism it leaves Abhisit open to adverse comments too......suck it up and stop moaning.

Actually it is you who need to 'suck it up' that the opposition leader is quite entitled to speak out against corrupt musical chairs designed to have a Damapong appointed as police chief. It's irrelevant how many months Thawil has left to serve as he has been shafted for 9 or so months already.

No mention of Chalerm's idiotic comments - predictably - with the passport comment also irrelevant.

Odd that a PTP supporter fails to see that the party are treating Abhisit as a lot more than a 'minor irritation'. So minor that they have the DSI doing their bidding to get him to agree to amnesties, 'reconciliation' and even stop opposing Thaksin's party.

[tragickingdom]

That will teach the court a lesson. Keep on the good work Chalerm.

[khunken]

That will teach the court a lesson. Keep on the good work Chalerm.

[rixalex]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

Followed by Abhisit making the important point that he should be reinstated before he retires in 7 months....wow that will endear Abhisit to the electorate for sure.....nothing like directing focus to a crucial reinstatement..... for 7 months....... to get the voters on your side.....

My goodness another, "What about Abhist" post from the best and brightest of the, "I don't support Thaksin butt", group. So predictable.

There is only a post concerning Abhisit because he chose to try and be seen to be involved........insisting on reinstating a man who even if re-employed immediately has 7 months of his tenure remaining.........

If someone has been unfairly dumped out of their job, not because of how they were performing, but because the Prime Minister's brother and master in Dubai wished to install one of his relatives into the top police job, and in order to do this, needs to move around some other people to make way, it's irrelevant how long the reinstatement is for - it could be 10 days or 10 years - it's about an injustice being righted. I appreciate that is not important to you, but for others, it is.

[473geo]

If someone has been unfairly dumped out of their job, not because of how they were performing, but because the Prime Minister's brother and master in Dubai wished to install one of his relatives into the top police job, and in order to do this, needs to move around some other people to make way, it's irrelevant how long the reinstatement is for - it could be 10 days or 10 years - it's about an injustice being righted. I appreciate that is not important to you, but for others, it is.

Is it really.......that would be why all the posts on this thread (excluding those related to mine) are all about Chalerm......no congratulations and joy regarding the other guy being reinstated........boy oh boy....get a grip....

"it's about an injustice being righted. I appreciate that is not important to you, but for others, it is.".........like hell it is.....

[Noistar]

ah more wise words from the PTP's best and brightest.

Followed by Abhisit making the important point that he should be reinstated before he retires in 7 months....wow that will endear Abhisit to the electorate for sure.....nothing like directing focus to a crucial reinstatement..... for 7 months....... to get the voters on your side.....

My goodness another, "What about Abhist" post from the best and brightest of the, "I don't support Thaksin butt", group. So predictable.

There is only a post concerning Abhisit because he chose to try and be seen to be involved........insisting on reinstating a man who even if re-employed immediately has 7 months of his tenure remaining.........now if that appears to be a rather insignificant cause to support.....well I guess it is a little more credible than being concerned about what passport one man travels on....unfortunately without the support of the military Abhisit is becoming no more than a minor irritation.....rankles a bit does it, That while Chalerm attracts criticism it leaves Abhisit open to adverse comments too......suck it up and stop moaning.

So the Thai obsession with "if you do wrong, I can do wrong too", continues ad-infinitum.

Seems infantilism isn't limited to the Government and its supporters

[Noistar]

If someone has been unfairly dumped out of their job, not because of how they were performing, but because the Prime Minister's brother and master in Dubai wished to install one of his relatives into the top police job, and in order to do this, needs to move around some other people to make way, it's irrelevant how long the reinstatement is for - it could be 10 days or 10 years - it's about an injustice being righted. I appreciate that is not important to you, but for others, it is.

Is it really.......that would be why all the posts on this thread (excluding those related to mine) are all about Chalerm......no congratulations and joy regarding the other guy being reinstated........boy oh boy....get a grip....

"it's about an injustice being righted. I appreciate that is not important to you, but for others, it is.".........like hell it is.....

Am I misreading this topic?

The reinstatement is hypothetical. The topic relates to K Chaletm's comments regarding IF it happens.