Marine eco-system in the Gulf at risk of collapse: Greenpeace

[wilcopops]

" As a result, they are totally ignorant of the fact that their actions today determine their future." - if you believe that it is you who are the ignorant one

[phuketsub]

Humans are not actually mammals.

Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment.

I disagree. I think you'll find there's many examples of how mammals have wiped out their environment and themselves.

Of course we are still mammals, but we are the only mammals I am aware of that have managed to take themselves out of the food chain -- which is a good thing when you consider all of the other BS we are struggling to deal with.

[wilcopops]

" but we are the only mammals I am aware of that have managed to take themselves out of the food chain" - It's no wonder the environment is a shambles when you look at some of the ill-informed comments on this thread..........e.g.- how do you think humans are out of the food chain????????

[Thai at Heart]

That just went in one ear and out the other.

Even after the last fish in the sea is caught, if there is still a single baht to be made somewhere they'll invent new ways to mess it all up even more.

When the last tree has died, and the last fish is gone, man will realise he cannot eat money................but don't just blame Thailand.... this is almost global. Or as they are now saying "This world has enough for every ones need; but not for their greed.

The real issue is not greed -- that has always been with us -- it is global overpopulation. I never understand why this issue is forever playing second fiddle to 'global warming' , 'environmental destruction' and all of the other overarching issues that it has largely created. It's true that here in Thailand we are terrible stewards of our natural heritage and have very little civic discipline. But it's the sheer numbers of us that are creating all of these problems. If we could get the numbers to go down instead of up you would see all of these problems begin to solve themselves overnight.

A shrimp grows in the sea or a river and is notoriously difficult to catch. Hence, as a kid, shrimp were classified as something of a delicacy. And what did Thailand do, look at the situation and think, if people are paying 10$ a kilo in Europe and the USA, I bet we can make it for 3$. Great.

And then the problems started. Farming these animals on land, out of their natural environment is proving to be harder and harder to do, because IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE THAT WAY. This is just natures way of screaming, stop it, and pay the proper price, instead of cheating and doing it cheap.

Edited July 4, 2013 by Thai at Heart

[impulse]

A shrimp grows in the sea or a river and is notoriously difficult to catch. Hence, as a kid, shrimp were classified as something of a delicacy. And what did Thailand do, look at the situation and think, if people are paying 10$ a kilo in Europe and the USA, I bet we can make it for 3$. Great.

And then the problems started. Farming these animals on land, out of their natural environment is proving to be harder and harder to do, because IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE THAT WAY. This is just natures way of screaming, stop it, and pay the proper price, instead of cheating and doing it cheap.

It goes way beyond paying the proper price. Without violating all kinds of natural limits, the carrying capacity of the earth would be somewhere less than 1/10 of the number of humans alive today.

If we're going to raise pigs and cattle in unnatural conditions, why not shrimp and salmon? Nature screams just as loudly when a meadow is plowed to plant wheat and when it takes hundreds of gallons of fresh water to raise and process a hamburger.

The issue isn't whether it's unnatural. That's no longer an option unless we're willing to cull 90+% of the population. It's whether it's done wisely and sustainably, and unfortunately that's often at odds with doing it profitably.

[wilcopops]

A shrimp grows in the sea or a river and is notoriously difficult to catch. Hence, as a kid, shrimp were classified as something of a delicacy. And what did Thailand do, look at the situation and think, if people are paying 10$ a kilo in Europe and the USA, I bet we can make it for 3$. Great.

And then the problems started. Farming these animals on land, out of their natural environment is proving to be harder and harder to do, because IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE THAT WAY. This is just natures way of screaming, stop it, and pay the proper price, instead of cheating and doing it cheap.

It goes way beyond paying the proper price. Without violating all kinds of natural limits, the carrying capacity of the earth would be somewhere less than 1/10 of the number of humans alive today.

If we're going to raise pigs and cattle in unnatural conditions, why not shrimp and salmon? Nature screams just as loudly when a meadow is plowed to plant wheat and when it takes hundreds of gallons of fresh water to raise and process a hamburger.

The issue isn't whether it's unnatural. That's no longer an option unless we're willing to cull 90+% of the population. It's whether it's done wisely and sustainably, and unfortunately that's often at odds with doing it profitably.

A shrimp grows in the sea or a river and is notoriously difficult to catch. Hence, as a kid, shrimp were classified as something of a delicacy. And what did Thailand do, look at the situation and think, if people are paying 10$ a kilo in Europe and the USA, I bet we can make it for 3$. Great.

And then the problems started. Farming these animals on land, out of their natural environment is proving to be harder and harder to do, because IT SHOULDN'T BE DONE THAT WAY. This is just natures way of screaming, stop it, and pay the proper price, instead of cheating and doing it cheap.

It goes way beyond paying the proper price. Without violating all kinds of natural limits, the carrying capacity of the earth would be somewhere less than 1/10 of the number of humans alive today.

If we're going to raise pigs and cattle in unnatural conditions, why not shrimp and salmon? Nature screams just as loudly when a meadow is plowed to plant wheat and when it takes hundreds of gallons of fresh water to raise and process a hamburger.

The issue isn't whether it's unnatural. That's no longer an option unless we're willing to cull 90+% of the population. It's whether it's done wisely and sustainably, and unfortunately that's often at odds with doing it profitably.

As the thread progresses the nonsense gets more and more hilarious.......premise, argument and conclusion are ALL INCORRECT in this one! one would be hard pushed to be any more off the mark.

what makes it so sad is how can we be expected to do anything constructive about the environment when there are people running around with so little understanding of the real situation..........

Edited July 4, 2013 by wilcopops

[francescoassisi]

At least PTT are helping........by pouring oil on troubled waters!