Guns Rule In This Cowboy Town

[sting01]

My Fiance', her Father, and I went to the Thai Navy range in Samutprakarn a couple months ago when we got her a lovely 9mm. She carries all the time and everyone feels much better now that she dose. I only wish I could carry too what a lame rule that we can't carry guns. We (foregners) get victimized too. In the States I'm licenced and carry a Glock model 22 .40cal. In Iraq I pack a classic, Colt 1911 .45. I would like the Glock for Thailand, I would think with all the humidity the .45 would require much more cleaning and attention.

Mr Time Share is a liar. No problem there. For 14 years I have done business with the Thai military in specialist fields. They, as any user of guns who may have to use them, despise the things.

As a U.K. qualified marksman (no scopes you Yanks and 200 yards with full bore), the boy is living a fantasy. Guns are horrible. Disgusting evil things.

Mr Money Shot - I look forward to seeing you in Sattahip at the Thai SEAL training centre along with the Forward Recon RTN Marine Units.

<deleted> - if someone is going to rob, shoot, or rape you, they are not going to it do John Wayne style.

Bang -bang- "There's injuns over them rocks".

Idiot - get a life and continue to make money out of the immoral situation that exists where you say that you currently work in Iraq. Picking up shoes on a basketball court?.

That's what you said.

Why do the serving staff get access to guns?.

I know some good guys working in Iraq trying to get the infrastructure up and running whilst idiots like you seem to have some wank fantasy about guns. Idiot. Stupid.

Give me the name of the Naval Officer who signed your chit to gain access to a Thai military shooting range :- Can you?.

PM me if you have the balls and your name and pp no. or bints ID.

I look forward to a blustering reply..................

What is it that you have to be so insecure to lie?.

Pip-Pip.

I would like to congratulate that poster to express so well the feelings I had when reading Cpt Monkey to shoot. I wonder if the guy will ever answer lol.

On the other hand, I do not understandwhy you ask him those infos, it's simply obvious he can not work as security guard, or maybe guard as the guy who is guard in my condo, mean good to help to carry a Khunyin luggage. There is psychological test, and mostly people who have fantasies about guns are not selectable (they simply live in antaisy, a security guard in Iraq is living in a harsh real life).

I'm sorry, am I mad or is it you? (Or perhaps your spelling threw me.) Last time I checked, Thailand had the third highest murder rate (per capita) by guns in the world. Er ... the US was fourth. If you want to buy a nice 'un pop over to Sanam Luang any evening.

I am french, so my spelling is simply ignominious I agree, anyway in 5 years in Thailand, dealing daily with thaipeople , I have met only one time a guy with a gun. I do not know about statistic, anyway there is a province in my country that is the top one place for incest, does it mean all french do it commonly (it's an exemple to try to explain my point, hope you can get it). Thai do not give the same value to their own life as we do (boudism related I suppose), but I certainly feel safer in thailand, even in Aranyaprathet than in the Paris suburbs, or MArseille suburbs, or even than in Glendale (LA suburb close to Hollywood if you did not that place).

[Wallalai]

Small minded people love guns and feel more secure carrying one.

Bastards.

[radar]

money_shot ,best you take your two hands off your mutton gun,you pathetic puller.

[ray23]

OK guys educate me, why is it everyone thinks that your from the U.S. you advocate gun usage, as my experience has been just the opposite

[ColPyat]

Thai do not give the same value to their own life as we do (boudism related I suppose), but I certainly feel safer in thailand, even in Aranyaprathet than in the Paris suburbs, or MArseille suburbs, or even than in Glendale (LA suburb close to Hollywood if you did not that place).

That's a bit of a general statement. The only thing that Buddhism maybe does is helping Thais deal in a more composed way with the event of death, but their feelings towards their own, or the death of somebody closed are exactly the same as any human's.

You may personally feel safer here than the places you mentioned, but that says not very much about the level of safety in Thailand. I would really wonder how safe you would feel, lets say, in some areas i am very familiar with in Samut Prakan province, which sees nightly shoot outs and machete fights between rival gangs in Sois that even the police hesitate to go on their own. I guess though that you have never been in those areas especially at night, because there is simply nothing of interest whatsoever (other than the gang warfare itself), only endless slums and low cost suburban housing projects in between industrial estates and wastelands.

If you have ever get to live in some far off village, you may find out as well that there are many villages in which often even minor conflicts are solved by the gun, and the police keeps often their fingers completely out of those conflicts in order not to disturb long established clan relations.

Yes, guns are abundant here, and unfortunately gun related crime as well.

If you don't believe me, just watch the Thai news, and listen to radio stations such as INN.

A farang "carrying" a gun is one of the possibly most stupid things to be done here. In a conflict it only ups the odds. Chances are that instead of a trashing he will simply get shot from the back.

There are rather simple ways to avoid violent conflicts.

Such as making friends in the localities you live and move around. When people know that you have the same social network that Thais have, they will hesitate to get into a conflict with you, and if you have a conflict, than you can fall back on people who are well versed in sorting a conflict out in any way that is appropriate.

Inform yourself about the areas you live, intentend to go out. Don't go out alone, or without local friends in areas known to be dangerous, and don't take the "Land of Smile" for granted. Because it isn't.

Outside the well established tourist zones, don't get drunk in places you don't know, you don't have any friends.

And, in case you security is threatened in your home, either move, or get your wife's relatives move in with you for a while. That is a far better deterrent than having a stupid gun.

Edited April 8, 2006 by ColPyat

[mark45y]

OK guys educate me, why is it everyone thinks that your from the U.S. you advocate gun usage, as my experience has been just the opposite

Publicity of the NRA. The cowboy thing. Rap musicians. Hollywood. A lot of people in the United States hunt. Because of successful conservation methods there are many more deer (for one example) in the US now than there were in 1800.

[kurgen]

OK guys educate me, why is it everyone thinks that your from the U.S. you advocate gun usage, as my experience has been just the opposite

Publicity of the NRA. The cowboy thing. Rap musicians. Hollywood. A lot of people in the United States hunt. Because of successful conservation methods there are many more deer (for one example) in the US now than there were in 1800.

not so many Bison though , nor Indians for that matter

[ray23]

Now come on thats stretching it a bit the Indian wars were over a hundred years ago, as was the demise of the bison, which really had more to do with money then guns.

By the way since the gambling changes in the states the tribes are doing pretty good, with Casinos.

[TAWP]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns.

But then again, I'm sure some of you would like the woman here defenceless.

[chuchok]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns.

But then again, I'm sure some of you would like the woman here defenceless.

Is that a NRA line...

[mark45y]

OK guys educate me, why is it everyone thinks that your from the U.S. you advocate gun usage, as my experience has been just the opposite

Publicity of the NRA. The cowboy thing. Rap musicians. Hollywood. A lot of people in the United States hunt. Because of successful conservation methods there are many more deer (for one example) in the US now than there were in 1800.

not so many Bison though , nor Indians for that matter

You are right about the bison but most of the Indians were killed by disease brought by the white man and not guns.

[Prakanong2005]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns.

But then again, I'm sure some of you would like the woman here defenceless.

Bwhaaaaaaaa - the party line

Then the police will know anyone with a gun is a criminal and take the required action.

I would rather guns were banned than 1 more Hungerford or Dunblane in the UK.

[TAWP]

Don't get me started on the ignorance in the UK.

Did you know that the murder-rate and armed robbery-rate has gone UP since they started banning handguns in the UK?

Once again it only proves my previous statement.

And now they are looking into banning toy-guns. They have a zero killing-rate, but hey, if it makes any soccer-moms happy, they will do it.

When will you outlaw tableknifes?

[mark45y]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns.

But then again, I'm sure some of you would like the woman here defenceless.

Bwhaaaaaaaa - the party line

Then the police will know anyone with a gun is a criminal and take the required action.

I would rather guns were banned than 1 more Hungerford or Dunblane in the UK.

Guns and country folk. Our farm was 30 miles outside of town. I didn’t know anyone who had less than three guns.

No body got shot and no body got robbed. No body locked the door to their house or car.

Did you know chickens can fly? “Dad, the chickens are in the tree again.” Bang, chickens are out of the tree and we are having chicken stew tonight.

Granny did shoot some strange things because her eyesight was getting real poor. And I shot the neighbors pet duck because he was in our vegetable garden for the twentieth time. But I bought the little girl a new duck. I would shoot a couple of deer a year and a few wild turkeys and some wild boar. The wild turkeys were the hardest to shoot and the boar the most dangerous. We ate them all and shared with the neighbors as they did with us. I taught all of my children how to shoot with a single shot high powered .25 cal. air rifle.

City folk are not the same as country folk. I have never heard a farmer complain about his neighbor having guns.

I have never seen a farm without a gun. I didn’t know anyone with an AK-47 but everyone had a shotgun, deer rifle and a couple of 22’s.

[ColPyat]

Did you know that the murder-rate and armed robbery-rate has gone UP since they started banning handguns in the UK?

Once again it only proves my previous statement.

No, this is what is generally defined as 'conjecture'.

[ColPyat]

I have never seen a farm without a gun. I didn’t know anyone with an AK-47 but everyone had a shotgun, deer rifle and a couple of 22’s.

A farmer having guns and a <deleted> carrying a handgun for paranoid purposes of selfdefense are two completely different issues.

I have no problems whatsoever with hunting rifles and shotguns on a farm (as long as the hunting is done in a responsible way, not some wild trophy hunting by some tossers from the city), but carrying a handgun in a city by a civilian serves no purpose than endangering the rest of humanity.

[chuchok]

Don't get me started on the ignorance in the UK.

Did you know that the murder-rate and armed robbery-rate has gone UP since they started banning handguns in the UK?

Once again it only proves my previous statement.

And now they are looking into banning toy-guns. They have a zero killing-rate, but hey, if it makes any soccer-moms happy, they will do it.

When will you outlaw tableknifes?

You must be taking the piss..

[TAWP]

The facts are there, easily for you to be seen.

The murder-rate has gone up after the banning of handgunds.

The slow people *ColBS* will interject whatever their political view of the situation is and wave it away, but not even the soccer-moms can explain away the numbers at hand.

And regarding the banning of toy-guns, air-rifles and airsoft-rifles, read this for instance: http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/?filnavn=/a...saveairsoft.htm

"On the 8th June 2005 the government unveiled their Violent Crime Reduction Bill (VCR Bill) which if passed in its current form will prohibit by law the trade/sale/import and manufacture of anything that looks like a firearm in the UK. The sport and hobby that we all enjoy now lies in severe jeopardy."

Anything that LOOKS like a firearm. LEGO is being next to be banned?

The law is going to be passed through the house soon and only some conservatives have scrambled to the defence of for example air-rifles (BB-guns, for you americans).

And again, these are items with zero attributed deaths.

Table-knifes, cars, a peice of wood - all have death by crimes attributed to them.

[English Noodles]

The law is going to be passed through the house soon and only some conservatives have scrambled to the defence of for example air-rifles (BB-guns, for you americans).

And again, these are items with zero attributed deaths.

You are seriously under educated, If you dont know about something dont act as if you do.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/print/news/5032596.shtml

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1865822005

http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news...-name_page.html

[Prakanong2005]

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will carry guns.

But then again, I'm sure some of you would like the woman here defenceless.

Bwhaaaaaaaa - the party line

Then the police will know anyone with a gun is a criminal and take the required action.

I would rather guns were banned than 1 more Hungerford or Dunblane in the UK.

Guns and country folk. Our farm was 30 miles outside of town. I didn’t know anyone who had less than three guns.

No body got shot and no body got robbed. No body locked the door to their house or car.

Did you know chickens can fly? “Dad, the chickens are in the tree again.” Bang, chickens are out of the tree and we are having chicken stew tonight.

Granny did shoot some strange things because her eyesight was getting real poor. And I shot the neighbors pet duck because he was in our vegetable garden for the twentieth time. But I bought the little girl a new duck. I would shoot a couple of deer a year and a few wild turkeys and some wild boar. The wild turkeys were the hardest to shoot and the boar the most dangerous. We ate them all and shared with the neighbors as they did with us. I taught all of my children how to shoot with a single shot high powered .25 cal. air rifle.

City folk are not the same as country folk. I have never heard a farmer complain about his neighbor having guns.

I have never seen a farm without a gun. I didn’t know anyone with an AK-47 but everyone had a shotgun, deer rifle and a couple of 22’s.

I have nothing against farmers and large landowners having shotguns or even hunting rifles for deer etc but I see no reason whatsoever for any private person in the UK having a hanbdgun or any other gun designed for killing human beings only.

Not in reply to you but - since we banned most guns we have not had another Hungerford nor Dunblane and I hope that lasts forever.

Those two nutters were both licensed and indicate to most normal people the stereotype of the civilian or non-policeman who wanted the type of gun only designed for people - sad and lonely little men.

People can shout all they like but the arguments for handguns in the UK is all over and rightly so.

[Donz]

Can we carry knives atlease??

Some of the knuckle duster knives would look good in my hand.

There is a few i like, the ones with the blade pointing outwards and also another covering you thumb.

[TAWP]

The law is going to be passed through the house soon and only some conservatives have scrambled to the defence of for example air-rifles (BB-guns, for you americans).

And again, these are items with zero attributed deaths.

You are seriously under educated, If you dont know about something dont act as if you do.

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/print/news/5032596.shtml

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1865822005

http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news...-name_page.html

The case in link 2 is regarding a air-rifle that was over the legal limit ('over-powered').

For instance, airsoft rifles (not air-rifles) fire small super-light-weight plastic bullets that cannot kill anyone, no matter how much you try. Air-rifles fire 4.5mm or 5.5mm metal BBs can can hurt people (for instance, cause someone to go blind), but if they are under the legal limit they cannot kill an adult. I'm sorry if I crossed the words in the previous post, but airsoft-rifles are attributed with zero deaths.

Stupid people shouldn't be able to limit the freedom of those that are responsible. That is a nanny-state, but I'm sure you are more than happy that you are going there quickly.

Should we list how many people that are killed every year from knifes?

How many death can be attributed to replicas? Airsoft-rifles? Blank-fire handguns? The sum in most countries would be zero. How is it in the UK?

Edited April 8, 2006 by TAWP

[sting01]

Thai do not give the same value to their own life as we do (boudism related I suppose), but I certainly feel safer in thailand, even in Aranyaprathet than in the Paris suburbs, or MArseille suburbs, or even than in Glendale (LA suburb close to Hollywood if you did not that place).

That's a bit of a general statement. The only thing that Buddhism maybe does is helping Thais deal in a more composed way with the event of death, but their feelings towards their own, or the death of somebody closed are exactly the same as any human's.

You may personally feel safer here than the places you mentioned, but that says not very much about the level of safety in Thailand. I would really wonder how safe you would feel, lets say, in some areas i am very familiar with in Samut Prakan province, which sees nightly shoot outs and machete fights between rival gangs in Sois that even the police hesitate to go on their own. I guess though that you have never been in those areas especially at night, because there is simply nothing of interest whatsoever (other than the gang warfare itself), only endless slums and low cost suburban housing projects in between industrial estates and wastelands.

If you have ever get to live in some far off village, you may find out as well that there are many villages in which often even minor conflicts are solved by the gun, and the police keeps often their fingers completely out of those conflicts in order not to disturb long established clan relations.

Yes, guns are abundant here, and unfortunately gun related crime as well.

If you don't believe me, just watch the Thai news, and listen to radio stations such as INN.

A farang "carrying" a gun is one of the possibly most stupid things to be done here. In a conflict it only ups the odds. Chances are that instead of a trashing he will simply get shot from the back.

There are rather simple ways to avoid violent conflicts.

Such as making friends in the localities you live and move around. When people know that you have the same social network that Thais have, they will hesitate to get into a conflict with you, and if you have a conflict, than you can fall back on people who are well versed in sorting a conflict out in any way that is appropriate.

Inform yourself about the areas you live, intentend to go out. Don't go out alone, or without local friends in areas known to be dangerous, and don't take the "Land of Smile" for granted. Because it isn't.

Outside the well established tourist zones, don't get drunk in places you don't know, you don't have any friends.

And, in case you security is threatened in your home, either move, or get your wife's relatives move in with you for a while. That is a far better deterrent than having a stupid gun.

The boudhism stance is a general statement I agree, but it also reflect in many way daily. Anyway I am supposing you never went in the places I named in France. Guns are the worst thing that actualy exist, because ...well ... how to say? Some posters were daily user or potentialy daily user (I think about the retired cop who posted). , it means those posters get a special training about it guns, special training not related only on how to use it, but also how to handle it (maintenance, how to replenish it safely for your self or other in the neighborought).

The places I namd in france are not worst than Newark, or Holywood boulvevard, but mostly the problem arrive with guns (and other weapons) only because are confuse with whatthey saw on the TV, and the reality of a shoot. For me the reality is in ' Once upon a time in the west' When a guy is hit in the stomac, he say there nothing worst than to be killed by a wanabe because it take long time to passaway and it's painful.

After years as military, I have learn those who love weaponry are mostly those who are not good soldiers, at least not considered good enought to be in a 'choc regiment' or a C.R.A.P unit. They simply lack a bit of reflexion.Or maybe a bit of brain (like a virual lobotomy lol).

I like to feel safe, yes there is dangerous places in thailand, like everywhere, there is also dangerous attitude. Sad to say, butsometimes it's good to be blind and hear nothing. Just my 2 cents and feelings. But it's not because the moron at the corner of the street have a colt that I have to have a shotgun, it will give nothing good. Maybe better to dis arm him? Can be made by many way, talking in one, widely used by the Police everywhere.

[ColPyat]

The slow people *ColBS*

Is that flame necessary?

[daleyboy]

Just a couple of questions tawp.......

Why do you need a replica gun of any sort? What possible use could you have for it? The same with air softguns, again the reasons for owning one of these is? I understand airifles are used for competition and this in my opinion should still be allowed, although not really necessary.

To donz....

Just one comment, Grow up child

[Patex]

...How many death can be attributed to replicas? Airsoft-rifles? Blank-fire handguns? The sum in most countries would be zero. How is it in the UK?

Back in my wilder days I had a buddy breaking in the appartment of his absent girlfriend to get some sleep because he was very drunken and more near to her place.

A neighbour called the police and they came to check the place. The guy, in his drunken condition, waved his booby pistol and shouted something like: I kill you all... one of the policemen shoot him through a window in the neck and he was bleeding to death .

Not so long ago a taxidriver in Thailand killed a motorbikedriver for threaten him with a toy gun...

You can read examples like this every day in the newspapers.

[sting01]

For instance, airsoft rifles (not air-rifles) fire small super-light-weight plastic bullets that cannot kill anyone, no matter how much you try. Air-rifles fire 4.5mm or 5.5mm metal BBs can can hurt people (for instance, cause someone to go blind), but if they are under the legal limit they cannot kill an adult.

They can not kill an adult but make him blind? GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

What about kids? If I fully understand your statement, I have to conclude :

1) they can kill a kid or a baby.

2) both kid and/or baby do not count, count less than a responsible and mature adult who is playing John Wayne with a gun, and eventually goes so crazed he start to shoot the landowner of the farm where he is hunting ( mmmmmmmm .... seems I have read something like that in bangkok post, related to someone whith an important governemental post in some remote country. ... I do not remenber well, Rhumsomething?)

Hunting is a normal way of life in Cody (WY) I concede, eventually in Lozere also, but be serious , what about London, Dallas, Paris? Bangkok? Lop Buri? LA Chapelle sur Furieuse? Citizen carrying guns, well remenber me Beyrouth in 83 (bad memories), Djamena (84, another bad memory), or worst Central Africa in 82.

[TAWP]

Just a couple of questions tawp.......

Why do you need a replica gun of any sort? What possible use could you have for it? The same with air softguns, again the reasons for owning one of these is? I understand airifles are used for competition and this in my opinion should still be allowed, although not really necessary.

Re-enactmenters, collectors (of non-lethal weapons, just for the looks), live-rollplayers, airsoft-recreationists all have it as a safe hobby. Who are we to say they can't? It's not unsafe.

Airrifles is often used as practise-weapons during 'off-season' (it's not fun trying to train your aim outside in minus 20 degrees. They have been used for 200some years. Yes, at times they where even used to hunt small birds, but now they are mostly for target-practise or recreational purposes.

[TAWP]

...How many death can be attributed to replicas? Airsoft-rifles? Blank-fire handguns? The sum in most countries would be zero. How is it in the UK?

Back in my wilder days I had a buddy breaking in the appartment of his absent girlfriend to get some sleep because he was very drunken and more near to her place.

A neighbour called the police and they came to check the place. The guy, in his drunken condition, waved his booby pistol and shouted something like: I kill you all... one of the policemen shoot him through a window in the neck and he was bleeding to death .

Not so long ago a taxidriver in Thailand killed a motorbikedriver for threaten him with a toy gun...

You can read examples like this every day in the newspapers.

It's called 'the Darwin-award'.

And once again, the improper usage of any item isn't any basis for forbidding it.

If that was any valid reason, we should all be in straightjackets in comfortable white rooms...

[TAWP]

For instance, airsoft rifles (not air-rifles) fire small super-light-weight plastic bullets that cannot kill anyone, no matter how much you try. Air-rifles fire 4.5mm or 5.5mm metal BBs can can hurt people (for instance, cause someone to go blind), but if they are under the legal limit they cannot kill an adult.

They can not kill an adult but make him blind? GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

What about kids? If I fully understand your statement, I have to conclude :

1) they can kill a kid or a baby.

2) both kid and/or baby do not count, count less than a responsible and mature adult who is playing John Wayne with a gun, and eventually goes so crazed he start to shoot the landowner of the farm where he is hunting ( mmmmmmmm .... seems I have read something like that in bangkok post, related to someone whith an important governemental post in some remote country. ... I do not remenber well, Rhumsomething?)

No, they cannot even kill a baby, unless it's a 2 day newborn that is lieing down and a person tries to shoot it in the soft area of the top of the head from point blank range, then _perhaps_ in _theory_. Also remember that a pingpong-ball can damage the brain if hitting here at this stage...

How rediciolus low should we go with 'safety'?

I say, ban ping pong balls.