"Pattaya" is bad for the reputation

[chippyw]

Hi all. New member.

Like many on this thread I have lived just outside Pattaya for 6 years in two areas. Neither address includes Pattaya.

Quite frankly, neither my wife (Thai) are particularly fond of the town and we avoid going in as much as possible, mainly because of the traffic etc. I'm not being smug, it's just that we are not drinkers or beach types. However, whatever the portrayed perception of a 'seedy' place it is, it certainly has the advantage of being able (mainly) to communicate in English when you want to buy or get something done. Many on this forum will know what it's like up north in the villages where you can go potty if you don't speak Thai. (I tried to learn for years but simply find it easier to work in broken English. Also my wife speaks English at home, like many others). We will never change to 'image' of Pattaya, even when eventually 90% of the bars are demolished and replaced by hotels, a process that is happening now.

So, it's all about compromise where you live I suppose and there is no way I could persuade any bigot outside or inside of Thailand that living among Thais a few kilometres outside Pattaya is quite 'normal'. Like many, it's knowing the day is going to be warm throughout the year that is a big attraction.

[hotandhumid]

Please name those nice places, which offer a number of english speaking newspapers, tv channels, variety of foods, centrally located, beaches, does not get flooded,reliable internet, some sort of international community, close to international airport etc??????????

I would also love to hear where these nice places are??? I reckon the commander lives in Nakhon Nowhere somewhere on a daily diet of noodles and lao khao..

I doubt we will hear from him again...Pattaya is a great place to live. Period.

[NanLaew]

Hi all. New member.

Like many on this thread I have lived just outside Pattaya for 6 years in two areas. Neither address includes Pattaya.

Quite frankly, neither my wife (Thai) are particularly fond of the town and we avoid going in as much as possible, mainly because of the traffic etc. I'm not being smug, it's just that we are not drinkers or beach types. However, whatever the portrayed perception of a 'seedy' place it is, it certainly has the advantage of being able (mainly) to communicate in English when you want to buy or get something done. Many on this forum will know what it's like up north in the villages where you can go potty if you don't speak Thai. (I tried to learn for years but simply find it easier to work in broken English. Also my wife speaks English at home, like many others). We will never change to 'image' of Pattaya, even when eventually 90% of the bars are demolished and replaced by hotels, a process that is happening now.

So, it's all about compromise where you live I suppose and there is no way I could persuade any bigot outside or inside of Thailand that living among Thais a few kilometres outside Pattaya is quite 'normal'. Like many, it's knowing the day is going to be warm throughout the year that is a big attraction.

... and knowing that Soi 6 hasn't been demolished yet.

Great post btw. Each to their own and even the traffic issue is mostly avoidable with a wee bit of planning.

[hotandhumid]

You are right, it goes for the whole of Thailand, its bad for an international CV, I bet your email is a hotmail one as well because that will really stand you up for being a looser.

If you are in an international work situation why would you not make your address Switzeralnd or New York or similar.

I still reference a London address and still have London bank accounts and I have been here 30 years!!! "works for me, no raising of eybrows here".

Ha ha ha...that must be the funniest thing I have ever read om here...I best delete my hotmail account too

And before you call other people a 'looser' maybe you should learn how to spell first.

[hotandhumid]

I honestly do not know what OP is talking about.

I am in mid-late thrity's, been on dating sites for years and NOT once had any girl tell me "only dirty old farang live there", possibly though a 50 year old is trying to chat up a 20 year old he might get that response

Secondly, why would big international company reply with something like what OP has claimed?

After reading the CV, you either short listed or not. If not shortlisted, you get a standard copy/paste response and if short listed you get a phone call or email to attend the interview.

For some reason, me thinks OP wants some attention or something to make up these story's, but happy to be proven wrong, OP just needs to post some evidence.

Perhaps one of those responses along with email header(for authenticity)

Why do you say I'm in my mid-late thirty's...are you a woman?

Why not just state your age..ie 37 or 38....weird.

[KohChangIsland]

Hi ,, My first post

Why do some people choose to live in Pattaya? maybe because of the shopping centers? the night life? the girls? the restaurants? their Job? The nature? ,, Anyway ,,There is so many other and beautifull places in Thailand to live

[Spoonman]

Hi ,, My first post

Why do some people choose to live in Pattaya? maybe because of the shopping centers? the night life? the girls? the restaurants? their Job? The nature? ,, Anyway ,,There is so many other and beautifull places in Thailand to live

My place of employment is about 20km away and as I only live a western lifestyle Pattaya provides everything I need.

Do you have a better suggestion ?

[stickylies]

Remember, Pattaya is not a traditionally grown Thai town. Pattaya consisted of a few fishermen's huts in 1964 when the US Army started to send their GI's here for RR - 'recreation' and 'rest'. Every educated Thai knows Pattaya was built for foreigners use and is still under the siege of foreigners. They don't regard it as being a purely 'Thai' town. The remarks you get for living in Pattaya all point into this direction, into what the town is known for . . 'roll on, roll off' business.

R&R = Rest and Recuperation NOT "recreation".

[lemoncake]

I honestly do not know what OP is talking about.

I am in mid-late thrity's, been on dating sites for years and NOT once had any girl tell me "only dirty old farang live there", possibly though a 50 year old is trying to chat up a 20 year old he might get that response

Secondly, why would big international company reply with something like what OP has claimed?

After reading the CV, you either short listed or not. If not shortlisted, you get a standard copy/paste response and if short listed you get a phone call or email to attend the interview.

For some reason, me thinks OP wants some attention or something to make up these story's, but happy to be proven wrong, OP just needs to post some evidence.

Perhaps one of those responses along with email header(for authenticity)

Why do you say I'm in my mid-late thirty's...are you a woman?

Why not just state your age..ie 37 or 38....weird.

sorry i must have missed the rule about that, is there some link which explains the age/male/female correct writing?

[lemoncake]

Hi ,, My first post

Why do some people choose to live in Pattaya? maybe because of the shopping centers? the night life? the girls? the restaurants? their Job? The nature? ,, Anyway ,,There is so many other and beautifull places in Thailand to live

Will put same question to you, which was earlier put to another member with no answer

Please name those nice places, which offer a number of english speaking newspapers, tv channels, variety of foods, centrally located, beaches, does not get flooded,reliable internet, some sort of international community, close to international airport etc??????????

[hotandhumid]

I honestly do not know what OP is talking about.

I am in mid-late thrity's, been on dating sites for years and NOT once had any girl tell me "only dirty old farang live there", possibly though a 50 year old is trying to chat up a 20 year old he might get that response

Secondly, why would big international company reply with something like what OP has claimed?

After reading the CV, you either short listed or not. If not shortlisted, you get a standard copy/paste response and if short listed you get a phone call or email to attend the interview.

For some reason, me thinks OP wants some attention or something to make up these story's, but happy to be proven wrong, OP just needs to post some evidence.

Perhaps one of those responses along with email header(for authenticity)

Why do you say I'm in my mid-late thirty's...are you a woman?

Why not just state your age..ie 37 or 38....weird.

sorry i must have missed the rule about that, is there some link which explains the age/male/female correct writing?

No rules that I'm aware of, but that is something that a woman would say...

[hotandhumid]

Hi ,, My first post

Why do some people choose to live in Pattaya? maybe because of the shopping centers? the night life? the girls? the restaurants? their Job? The nature? ,, Anyway ,,There is so many other and beautifull places in Thailand to live

There are a lot of boring places to live as well and I'm betting that you live in one of them..

[jacko45k]

You live in Pattaya AND use dating sites?

Little do they know most of us here are not like that at all.

But Pattaya is like that!

[Robbie Dye]

I say the "Dark Side", it confuses them!! Or name your nearest temple, that will do itfor sure

[lineofentry]

What a bunch of cowards! You should be proud of living in Pattaya, wether your a bar hopper or not. There is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, it is the sex capital of the world, Thailand's only real hub lol. The girls do a fanastic job pleasing visitors and supporting families and the economy in an open and honest way. They should be applauded by everyone. It is the sickening fake indignation of mock puritanical t00ssers that should get it in the neck.

[petercool]

I have many Bangkok based friends both Thai and European who envy my location and life style in East Pattaya and visit often to share those. I guess the fact is that this city, like most, has enough variety that many can find whatever it is they are looking for here and avoid whatever it is they are not looking for. I certainly don't feel that I am pigeon-holed as some pervert just because I live here and have not experienced any negative attitudes from others who don't live here. But then I don't send out CV's these days ....

[captnhoy]

Is the OP topic similar to telling people you are in Thailand?

Most definitely. I was not shy about revealing my retirement plans to coworkers a few years back. I said in all honesty "Thailand, to build my liveaboard boat". Reactions at best were "riiiight" and 1 or 2 even accused me of being a pedophile. THAT is the reputation.

[hotandhumid]

been there 3 times (covering a total of 11 days or so) to see for MYSELF before having an opinion about the place and its visitors. each visit was very uninspiring and utterly misanthropic. i don't expect you to agree with me nor do i say that people in pataya are wrong and i am right. for me, pattaya is a shithole, full misery, illusions, wrong-type farang, losers, alcoholics, wanna-be's, etc.

And that's just the woman

[BB1950]

This thread is pointless and doesn’t to apply to just Pattaya! It just gives excuse to the Pattaya bashers.

Characterization or reputation based on geo-location, only shows one’s ignorance and bigotry! Prejudice has been around for millenniums, and occurs all over the world! One’s sin is another one’s virtue. Many Sectarian/Political conflicts and debates, have been and are being fought over divisions formed by geo-location bias.

A good example is from the novel “Gulliver's Travels” The novel describes an intra-Lilliputian quarrel over the practice of breaking eggs between two fictional island nations, Lilliput and Blefuscu. An Emperor of Lilliput had decreed that all eggs be broken on the smaller end after he cut himself breaking the egg on the larger end. The Lilliputians (Little-Endians) broke boiled eggs on the smaller end. The ‘Big-Endians’ (those who broke their eggs at the larger end) gained favor in Blefuscu. The differences between ‘Big-Endians’ and ‘Little-Endians’ gave rise to six rebellions...

[stickylies]

As you are aware of it, why are you visiting. Trying to improve the world?

i'm not "still" visiting. as said, i visited pattaya with the sole purpose to see it myself and try to understand it. this case was closed years ago. never been back. the only thing i try to improve is "understanding" people's behaviour. i intervied over a 100 (experienced/hardcore) visitors/stayers and locals the days i was in pattaya. as said: uninspiring, uninteresting, misanthropy.

[nosatisfaction]

You could say that you live 'just north of Jomtien'

OK, but seriously, WHY do you live in Pattaya? 55555

[Brasilouro]

I never put Pattaya as my address . I just cannot work out why i never get any Mail !!

[Brasilouro]

I like Pattaya for what it is good and bad . If the Op as got to bend the truth on a dating site to gain a partner he should get on well there mostly the sites are full of Bull S*itters anyway

Edited July 16, 2013 by Brasilouro

[nosatisfaction]

been there 3 times (covering a total of 11 days or so) to see for MYSELF before having an opinion about the place and its visitors. each visit was very uninspiring and utterly misanthropic. i don't expect you to agree with me nor do i say that people in pataya are wrong and i am right. for me, pattaya is a shithole, full misery, illusions, wrong-type farang, losers, alcoholics, wanna-be's, etc.

And that's just the woman

woman?????????? I been there many times, still haven't got a clue, but then again , my sence of orientation is not very good.

[Bard]

I would challenge what is stated in this thread.

I work for big oil, have done it for many years for many oil corporations and I also have input on employment, we never ever reply to people as stated in the topic, ever. That would open for a law suit against the company, and frankly it would not be professional behavior. If for any reason a CV drops on my desk with the address Pattaya, I would consider it in this way:

What is it I am looking for?

What qualifications am I looking for?

What experience am I looking for?

How much will it cost to mobilize from the persons address?

How fast can I mobilize/demobilize a person from this address?

Does the CV contain the key words I am looking for?

How does the CV and communication appear?

Has the person ever worked any place anyone in my network has? In this case check if anyone knows of the person, and what they think of him/her.

So for your address in Pattaya, work in South East Asia and the Middle East is realistic targets for you, but you do compete with Asians and European and US citizens who is often cheaper to get there, and faster as well. They are also covered in there own country if shit hits the fan, you as a foreigner staying in Thailand might not have any backing whatsoever, that brings the risk to the company, and obviously this is a part of the equation.

For work in Africa is far cheaper and faster to mobilize from Europe and USA, it is also far simpler to obtain visas and so forth. You might have a shot if your qualifications are hard to get by, or it's in a place where European and USA citizens don't want to go.

For work in Europe, forget it unless you are extremely lucky or an expert in your field there is no way anyone would give you a job there as there are many qualified people living in the Area.

For work in USA, again forget it

South America, has happened people get work there previously but now in todays marked not very likely.

I would have no interest whatsoever if the person had an address Pattaya, Bangkok or what have we. The key word is Thailand, that is where the equations is calculated from. I would have zero interest in sexual orientation, race, creed or whatever and it is not legal to do so. I would be considering Police record as in many places this is a requirement and here you might have a problem, you are a citizen of say UK but have an address in Thailand the Police record from UK may not be good enough, but I would consider health certificate including BMI, and reliable references who are employed and working in and oil or oil related company. I would call up the references and check up the CV if the person was interesting enough. Too many times have we found fake school papers, false degrees, bought degrees and other information not stacking up, so a check which today is extremely easy to conduct would be run if the person was considered.

If you have not worked, or have worked little to nothing for oil companies your name would automatically slide down on the interest scale.

As you see there are many factors but none contains Pattaya, if you know you have real qualifications, backed up with at least 10 years experience in your field, you have good references and have good feedback from the jobs you been to, there is nothing stopping you from getting jobs in oil companies. However you do compete with a lot of other people, they might be more interesting that yourself. There are many people fighting on the international jobs where you with your address in South East Asia are likely to get a job. Unless you are a specialist, an expert in your field it is not that easy, as more of an expert as easier it is. However to think you can get jobs as a NDT tech, Scaffolder, Diver, Welder, fitter and the like is very unrealistic. There are locals doing all manual labor jobs. Supervisors are also plentiful amongst locals now, so you have to be realistic on what you expect.

I can assure you for the oil companies I have worked for Pattaya or not Pattaya is not interesting at all. Maybe agencies behave the way stated, I have no idea, but I never seen or heard anything like this for any of the companies I worked for.

[nosatisfaction]

i do a have a clue and i'm not narrow-minded and still i think pattaya is a shithole and majority of its visitors/stayers are uninteresting people.

Where do the interesting people hang out then?

BKK-SKVIT: Soi 4, Soi 21, Soi 7, Soi 11, and depending on your personal preferences some more

[hotandhumid]

I would challenge what is stated in this thread.

I work for big oil, have done it for many years for many oil corporations and I also have input on employment, we never ever reply to people as stated in the topic, ever. That would open for a law suit against the company, and frankly it would not be professional behavior. If for any reason a CV drops on my desk with the address Pattaya, I would consider it in this way:

What is it I am looking for?

What qualifications am I looking for?

What experience am I looking for?

How much will it cost to mobilize from the persons address?

How fast can I mobilize/demobilize a person from this address?

Does the CV contain the key words I am looking for?

How does the CV and communication appear?

Has the person ever worked any place anyone in my network has? In this case check if anyone knows of the person, and what they think of him/her.

So for your address in Pattaya, work in South East Asia and the Middle East is realistic targets for you, but you do compete with Asians and European and US citizens who is often cheaper to get there, and faster as well. They are also covered in there own country if shit hits the fan, you as a foreigner staying in Thailand might not have any backing whatsoever, that brings the risk to the company, and obviously this is a part of the equation.

For work in Africa is far cheaper and faster to mobilize from Europe and USA, it is also far simpler to obtain visas and so forth. You might have a shot if your qualifications are hard to get by, or it's in a place where European and USA citizens don't want to go.

For work in Europe, forget it unless you are extremely lucky or an expert in your field there is no way anyone would give you a job there as there are many qualified people living in the Area.

For work in USA, again forget it

South America, has happened people get work there previously but now in todays marked not very likely.

I would have no interest whatsoever if the person had an address Pattaya, Bangkok or what have we. The key word is Thailand, that is where the equations is calculated from. I would have zero interest in sexual orientation, race, creed or whatever and it is not legal to do so. I would be considering Police record as in many places this is a requirement and here you might have a problem, you are a citizen of say UK but have an address in Thailand the Police record from UK may not be good enough, but I would consider health certificate including BMI, and reliable references who are employed and working in and oil or oil related company. I would call up the references and check up the CV if the person was interesting enough. Too many times have we found fake school papers, false degrees, bought degrees and other information not stacking up, so a check which today is extremely easy to conduct would be run if the person was considered.

If you have not worked, or have worked little to nothing for oil companies your name would automatically slide down on the interest scale.

As you see there are many factors but none contains Pattaya, if you know you have real qualifications, backed up with at least 10 years experience in your field, you have good references and have good feedback from the jobs you been to, there is nothing stopping you from getting jobs in oil companies. However you do compete with a lot of other people, they might be more interesting that yourself. There are many people fighting on the international jobs where you with your address in South East Asia are likely to get a job. Unless you are a specialist, an expert in your field it is not that easy, as more of an expert as easier it is. However to think you can get jobs as a NDT tech, Scaffolder, Diver, Welder, fitter and the like is very unrealistic. There are locals doing all manual labor jobs. Supervisors are also plentiful amongst locals now, so you have to be realistic on what you expect.

I can assure you for the oil companies I have worked for Pattaya or not Pattaya is not interesting at all. Maybe agencies behave the way stated, I have no idea, but I never seen or heard anything like this for any of the companies I worked for.

I bet that took a while to type all that out..

[newermonkey]

You are right, it goes for the whole of Thailand, its bad for an international CV, I bet your email is a hotmail one as well because that will really stand you up for being a looser.

If you are in an international work situation why would you not make your address Switzeralnd or New York or similar.

I still reference a London address and still have London bank accounts and I have been here 30 years!!! "works for me, no raising of eybrows here".

Ha ha ha...that must be the funniest thing I have ever read om here...I best delete my hotmail account too

And before you call other people a 'looser' maybe you should learn how to spell first.

Yes you are totally correct its - "loser"

Just see if you can spot the believable one here:

[email protected] (CEO Big Corporation)

or

[email protected] (CEO BIG Corporation)

Om hm, its very difficult isn't it?

Edited July 16, 2013 by newermonkey

[hotandhumid]

You are right, it goes for the whole of Thailand, its bad for an international CV, I bet your email is a hotmail one as well because that will really stand you up for being a looser.

If you are in an international work situation why would you not make your address Switzeralnd or New York or similar.

I still reference a London address and still have London bank accounts and I have been here 30 years!!! "works for me, no raising of eybrows here".

Ha ha ha...that must be the funniest thing I have ever read om here...I best delete my hotmail account too

And before you call other people a 'looser' maybe you should learn how to spell first.

Yes you are totally correct its - "loser"

Just see if you can spot the believable one here:

[email protected] (CEO Big Corporation)

or

[email protected] (CEO BIG Corporation)

Om hm, its very difficult isn't it?

I wouldn't believe either if they said their name is dick smith

[Commander Tamson]

Sorry to be contrary to most of the posts, but I think Pattaya deserves its reputation in general. There are plenty of really nice places for a farang to live in Thailand - why choose the cesspit that Pattaya has become? Read all the other forums where those living there are constantly complaining about the place!

My sincere apologies to those who do lead a normal & enjoyment life there, but I think you are becoming fewer and further apart.

Please name those nice places, which offer a number of english speaking newspapers, tv channels, variety of foods, centrally located, beaches, does not get flooded,reliable internet, some sort of international community, close to international airport etc??????????

I would also love to hear where these nice places are??? I reckon the commander lives in Nakhon Nowhere somewhere on a daily diet of noodles and lao khao..

I doubt we will hear from him again...Pattaya is a great place to live. Period.

Okay; let's go down that road. I reckon the scum of western society come to Thailand for its reportedly cheap, easy and anything goes, sex. They fall in love with the first bar girl who smiles at them and end living where they can mix with similarly thinking lowlifes!

Thailand is a beautiful country and in my opinion is The Land of Smiles. Pattaya however is, in no way, representative.