One year non-imm O from within TH?

[Disparate Dan]

I have just been told by a top BKK legal company: "If your income is 100,000 baht per month, you can obtain a marriage visa good for 1 year inside Thailand."

Sorry to ask you all, but I am just so confused by the whole visa thing (I have been doing Non-Imm Os (marriage) for many years but the rules keep changing). I thought you have to go outside TH to an embassy to do it? Is the law firm correct and if so, PLEEAASSSSSSSSe tell me more!

[jrtmedic]

Please do not pay the Law firm !

You need an income of 40,000bht per month OR 400,000bht in the bank to qualify for a "marriage" extension which will cost 1900bht. and provide a one year (renewable) stay.

The paper work you can do yourself no need for "lawyers" !

If you wish to pursue this then ask here and members will provide you with all the assistance needed.

[Lite Beer]

Nope.

If you have 40,000 a month salary or 400,000 in a Thai bank you can apply for a 12 month extension

[wayned]

You cannot obtain a marriage visa in Thailand. However, if married to a Thai, you can obtain a 1 year extension of stay. The financial requirements are either 400000 baht in a Thai bank in your name only that must be seasoned for 60 days when you apply, or 40000 baht/month income, not 100000/month. You will get a 1 year extension of stay and will have to report your address every 90 days that you are in Thailand to the office responsible for your area. If you want to leave Thailand during that year you must purchase a reentry permit, single 1000 baht, multiple 3800 baht. That will keep you extension of stay valid.

You could also go to an embassy/consulate abroad and get a multiple entry Non-O visa. With that visa you would get 90 days on entry and would have to do border runs every 90 days. Sounds like what you have now.

[Disparate Dan]

Jeez, you guys are like lightning! I have only just joined this forum and I am SOOOOO impressed! Thanks. Should I maybe name and shame the legal firm??

I have seen a lot about embassies now demanding "400K in bank" but nothing about the 40,000 per month (last year I did KL and they wanted proof of 100,000 per month). I think this causes a lot of confusion (for me at least!).

You all seem to suggest I could do the same again (ie in KL) or do it at Changwattana. However, my visa has now expired (the one year finished 17June, so I returned on 16th June and got 90 days).So I expect I can't get an 'extension' of an expired visa, right?

[ThaidDown]

So I expect I can't get an 'extension' of an expired visa, right?

Yes you can, it's the visa that has expired not your permission to stay.

Visit your local immigration office within the last 30 days of your entry. (2 or 3 weeks before is a good idea as you may need not have the exact paperwork) Lists of required documents are available on this site, although one of the experts may paste in a list to this thread or ask again if any more questions.

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[Lite Beer]

You can apply for the extension at your nearest Immigration Office before your permission to stay ends in September.

A Rough Guide.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

Letter from your Thai Bank showing balance and up to date bank book.

OR.

If income from outside Thailand: Letter from your Embassy showing income. Now may also need proof of income as back up.

If Income from Thailand: Statements showing Income Tax receipts.

Marriage Certificate. (Kor Ror 3)

Marriage Registry entry. (Kor Ror 2)

Wife's Tabbien Baan and ID Card.

Your Passport.

Copies of everything.

Photos of you and your Wife in and around the house.

A map showing the way to your house.

Passport size photos and 1,900 Baht fee.

Take your Wife to be interviewed.

One or two witnesses may be required.

You will be given a 30 day under consideration stamp.

Go back in a month and get the remainder.

[Lite Beer]

You can always apply for a 60 day extension at Immigration to give you a bit more time if you wish.

Or you can apply for a Non Imm O Visa at Savanakhet Laos if you wish. Money in the bank is not needed going by reports here.

[joealx]

Please do not pay the Law firm !

You need an income of 40,000bht per month OR 400,000bht in the bank to qualify for a "marriage" extension which will cost 1900bht. and provide a one year (renewable) stay.

The paper work you can do yourself no need for "lawyers" !

If you wish to pursue this then ask here and members will provide you with all the assistance needed.

Going through agent: 24300 for extention and multiple re entry (takes care of everything)

- 1560 for pension doc.

you: - 1900 for extension

- 3800 for multiple re- entry

- 2000 aggravaton and running around

Net: 15040 Baht

[Lite Beer]

Why pay good money for something that is so easy to do yourself?

Plus you know it is 100% legal.

[Disparate Dan]

Why pay good money for something that is so easy to do yourself?

Plus you know it is 100% legal.

I entirely agree and have always done it myself - not always successfully! It was the comment from the shyster lawyer that threw me, combined with the recent general alarm over the "400K" requirement. I also was told many years ago that you could not 'extend' a one-year but only 'renew', which may have been true once but now obviously isn't.

One reason why I had a problem at Changwattana a couple of years ago was that I forgot to take my wife (yes, I know....); on another, I think we all know you can catch a bad officer on a bad day there too on the odd occasion. Also, some places don't like it that we were (perfectly legally and above-board) married in Hong Kong and never actually registered inside Thailand. I may try Savannakhet - never been there before, so it might be interesting.

Thanks to all for your help!

[joealx]

Why pay good money for something that is so easy to do yourself?

Plus you know it is 100% legal.

It comes down to 16B vs.41B a day. I think that it's affordable, maybe you don't.

This is Thailand. Is Fastrack at BKK OK for non-VIPS? When the bank and Immigration are involved, I think it's legal. This is just an expedited service like Fastrack.

Also, TV accepts ads for these services, is that legal?

[jrtmedic]

joealx

Some of the services offered are decidedly "iffy" and taken up by those who cannot, for whatever reason , meet the requirements for a "legitimate" extension of stay.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone who meets the requirements to retain the services of a "lawyer".

[lopburi3]

Because someone else says something is real does not make it real and you are the person responsible in the end. Stamps made for pay have been ruled invalid in the past (even when real stamp) and people have been deported from Thailand that had them. The only way you know it has been done legally is to do it yourself at Immigration.

[ubonjoe]

Why pay good money for something that is so easy to do yourself?

Plus you know it is 100% legal.

 

One reason why I had a problem at Changwattana a couple of years ago was that I forgot to take my wife (yes, I know....); on another, I think we all know you can catch a bad officer on a bad day there too on the odd occasion. Also, some places don't like it that we were (perfectly legally and above-board) married in Hong Kong and never actually registered inside Thailand. I may try Savannakhet - never been there before, so it might be interesting.

 

Thanks to all for your help!

You will not get an extension at any immigration offfice without registering your marriage at Amphoe. There is no reason not do it. It means getting marriage certificate translated to Thai and have certificaton done at MFA. Then a trip to Amphoe and they will issue a Kor Ror 22 which you present to immigration along with marriage certificate.

Well worth the effort to avoid border runs every 90 days.

[Mario2008]

All visas have an expiry date/last use date. Do not confuse a visa with a permission to stay, they are two separate things.

If your permission to stay has expires for only a few days, immigration often fines someone for overstay and gives a new extension of stay.

[technologybytes]

My experience in Thailand has been that a lot of so called legal companies don't really know what they are talking about, or in some cases are downright dishonest. Obviously there are honest law firms, but I get the feeling that they are the exception rather then the rule.

The law office may have mentioned 100,000 because of something you said, or if he has some knowledge of your income, and he may have said the word Visa as a generic term for permission to stay when he meant extension, who knows.. the bottom line is that you probably don't need the help of a lawyer, and often the best advice is the free advice that you can get from an immigration officer.

[NoshowJones]

Please do not pay the Law firm !

You need an income of 40,000bht per month OR 400,000bht in the bank to qualify for a "marriage" extension which will cost 1900bht. and provide a one year (renewable) stay.

The paper work you can do yourself no need for "lawyers" !

If you wish to pursue this then ask here and members will provide you with all the assistance needed.

Maybe I'm wrong, yes, TV members are the most helpful people in the world, but, would it not be better for the OP to find out from his own immigration office what they are looking for to grant a marriage visa. there is a case of some immigration offices will want this and some will want that Blah Blah Blah, but TV members will certainly give him the basics.

[ubonjoe]

Please do not pay the Law firm ! 

 

You need an income of  40,000bht per month OR 400,000bht in the bank to qualify for  a "marriage" extension which will cost 1900bht. and provide a one year (renewable)  stay.

 

The paper work you can do yourself no need for "lawyers" ! 

 

If you wish to pursue this then ask here and members will provide you with all the assistance needed. 

 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, yes, TV members are the most helpful people in the world, but, would it not be better for the OP to find out from his own immigration office what they are looking for to grant a marriage visa. there is a case of some immigration offices will want this and some will want that Blah Blah Blah, but TV members will certainly give him the basics.

1. There is no such thing as a marriage visa. Embassies and consulates issue non immigrant visas based upon marriage to a Thai.

2. Immigraton will issue a non immigrant visa entry as part of the process of doing an extension of stay based upon marriage. The reguirements are the same as those (basic requirements are on pg. 1 of this topic) needed to get the extension except for the money needing to be in the bank for 60 days is not needed.

3. Extensions of stay are not visas. If you have a non immigrant visa entry of any type you you can apply for an extension based upon marriage.

[lopburi3]

One post of apparent only quote and false information removed.

[saab]

TV is better than any lawyer

[thaisabai]

guys

I am getting my yearly non imm O in the US. It is based on me having a son in Thailand, not a marriage (I am not married to my son's mother).

Do the same rules apply for this case? i.e. 40.000 income or 400000 in the bank?

thanks

[SSSlongtime]

after long time with visa after visa ,seemed to get harder ,i moved to nice hot country in europe ,the days of cheap thailand seem over ,why go on ,and for Mrs Thailand as long as its warm and she can buy thai food she seems quite happy, got job and makes some money

[ubonjoe]

guys

I am getting my yearly non imm O in the US. It is based on me having a son in Thailand, not a marriage (I am not married to my son's mother).

Do the same rules apply for this case? i.e. 40.000 income or 400000 in the bank?

thanks

Those financial rules are for an extension of stay at immigration here. They are the same for both except there is no 60 day reguirement.

There is no rules for getting a visa it depends upon where you apply.

Have you legitimized yourself as the childs father? You may not be able get a multiple entry without it.

[ALFREDO]

after long time with visa after visa ,seemed to get harder ,i moved to nice hot country in europe ,the days of cheap thailand seem over ,why go on ,and for Mrs Thailand as long as its warm and she can buy thai food she seems quite happy, got job and makes some money

A hot country in Europe?

With easy VISA regulations for a Thai?

(In my country she needs to speak my home country language well and that is tested to get a Marriage long stay Visa! )

With the possibility to get a work permit without big problem?

With the possibility to getting a Good Job with enough payment for a Thai there to?

Where I can and want to live a good life?

Which is that wonderland?

[dighambara]

Jeez, you guys are like lightning! I have only just joined this forum and I am SOOOOO impressed! Thanks. Should I maybe name and shame the legal firm??

I have seen a lot about embassies now demanding "400K in bank" but nothing about the 40,000 per month (last year I did KL and they wanted proof of 100,000 per month). I think this causes a lot of confusion (for me at least!).

You all seem to suggest I could do the same again (ie in KL) or do it at Changwattana. However, my visa has now expired (the one year finished 17June, so I returned on 16th June and got 90 days).So I expect I can't get an 'extension' of an expired visa, right?

Thai Lawyers are not very impressive - most do not know the law as well as their customers. I do use them for their Notary, as that is accepted in the USA.

[farangafrique]

Cheers to all the TV members for their valuable advice - very informative indeed.

I am South African, married to a Thai lady and now living in Bangkok. I was told by the Thai immigration officials to make the application(for a non-immigrant O) in SA, but after explaining to the Thai embassy in Pretoria that I now LIVE in Thailand and that it will be very costly to return to SA simply to apply for a visa for a country I already live in, they indicated that I should rather apply in Bangkok.

I travel every month due to work commitments and always get a 30 day visa upon entry which has always been sufficient, but seeing that I am married, would prefer the 1 year stay permit/visa.

I am still convinced that I can do it all in Bangkok and meet all the financial requirements.

Any suggestions of clarity on this one Folks.

Thanx

[Mario2008]

You can do it in BKK, if you have more than about 15 days left on your permssion to stay, and have an income of 40,000 baht a month or 400,000 in the bank in Thailand (in yur name only). If that is the case you can apply for a convrsion to a non-O visa and after about 60 days you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay from immigration.

You could get a non-O visa in any country with a Thai embassy/consulate on proof of marriage. Often that is easier than the conversion.

[lopburi3]

For post 29 I suspect the issue is his travel will not allow him to be in Bangkok 30 days later to visit immigration for extension stay. Believe a better option for such situation would be a multi entry non immigrant O visa from Savannakhet. This would require an overnight once a year and currently should not require more than the normal 400k marriage extension at any Consulate and currently at Savannakhet does not require any. It would require marriage certificate and copy plus copy of wife ID card and home register.

[joepattaya1961]

I contacted a reputable law- and service-company in Bangkok with the question what visa would be best for me if I reside in Thailand but work abroad as a business developer.

Ocassionally I would have telephone-conversations with my contacts abroad from my home in Thailand.

Answer: I you only have some telephoneconversations ocassionally a non-B or non-O (ret) will be sufficient. Problem with the non-B is that most countries submit only 90 day - single entry - visas except Australia.

For a non-O (ret) you need THB 800,000 in the bank or a monthly income of THB 65,000 (or a mix),

Things are flexible as a rubber band here.

I'm still in the search for a proper visa........basically not working, but only living. I've read somewhere about a 3 year visa for this matter. Anyone?