I'v been blacklisted and need help

[lemoncake]

Big difference between deported & refused entry.

That is what i also do not understand, OP is not answering why he was refused entry to Australia and was he stamped .

How would Thai immigration know if he was refused entry to Australia?

OP must be missing some piece of the puzzle

[Suradit69]

this sounds harsh, but i wouldn't waste my time worrying about getting off a black list. just move on. go to a country that is very similar to thailand, and fly your gf there. maybe a country that is near thailand, so your gf likes the climate. vietnam is nice, but can be busy. which can be good. and then, in 10-years, save 1 billion baht and thailand will give you the keys to the city. money talks. but seriously, consider vietnam. good luck.

Yes will be traveling to Cambodia, Vietnam and maybe Laos in the very near future but still want to try and clear my name in Thailand, as i have a lot of friends there

and all my toys

Not to add to your woes, but ASEAN supposedly is working toward shared immigration information, so you might want to check with the embassies and/or immigrations of those countries before making too many plans. Your situation may not make it into the shared information anytime soon, but it's still better to check before being turned back at another airport.

The Meeting produced the report of the 8^th ASEAN Immigration Intelligence Forum (AIIF) held on 4 September 2012 in Phuket, Thailand. The Forum highlighted the significance of immigration intelligence sharing amongst ASEAN Member States particularly in the fight against migrant smuggling, trafficking in persons, drugs trafficking and other transnational crime. Concerned by the increasing threat of criminal network operating on migrant smuggling, the immigration authorities unanimously agreed to take on the issues of People/Migrant Smuggling and Irregular Movement of People under their purview.

http://www.asean.org/news/asean-secretariat-news/item/joint-press-statement-of-the-sixteenth-meeting-of-the-asean-directors-general-of-immigration-departments-and-heads-of-consular-affairs-divisions-of-ministries-of-foreign-affairs-dgicm

[jpinx]

Looks like it was Australia that triggered the whole chain of events, presumably because they have your NZ criminal record on their system. After that you were just a shuttle-cock -- back to Bkk and automatically to home country because you had been sent back.

As I said before, you need to chase up the thai embassy in your home country for written proof of your name on the blacklist, because you may well not be. Reading your posts indicates that you assumed that you are blacklisted because Thailand punted you home after the Aussies turned you back, but that does not mean you're blacklisted.

[sustento]

Have you tried posing your question to the Thai embassy in New Zealand? What did they say?

yes but very unhelpfull

they just told me that i will be blacklisted for life

and i didint even give them my name, passport number etc.

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense. How could they tell you that you'd be blacklisted for life if you'd not actually told them who you are?

[Pattaya2000]

Pattaya2000

Interesting that you say Australia once refused you entry but now you say you have a visa to work in Australia ?

What has changed ? Be aware that possession of a visa does not guarantee entry !

The Australian immigration computer system is one of the worlds most sophisticated.

I now have a maritime crew visa ( valid for three years ) and a transit visa witch allows me to enter the country by air and have 5 days to transit to my vessel.

however some help on getting back would be great..!

Feel free to pm me guys

[gamini]

Personally, I think that no country should allow anyone in that has a criminal record especially a felony.

I do wonder though if when you got deported from Aus. if someone flagged you on the immigration list. Perhaps you pissed someone off and they are getting back at you.

A felony

Very fishy story. A New Zealander does not need a visa to enter Australia and has same rights as an Australian. He can stay as long as he like and work etc.The only reason they can deny him entry is that he has commited a very serious offence and is considered an undesirable. Thai immigration are aware that he was deported from Australia and therefore must have commited a serious offence and not a visa offence. (beceause he does not need one) Therefore he is blacklisted as an undesirable. If he had been deported from another country he may not have been blacklisted because he could have been deported for a visa offence and not a serious offence.

[jpinx]

too many things not adding up here .....

[lemoncake]

Personally, I think that no country should allow anyone in that has a criminal record especially a felony.

I do wonder though if when you got deported from Aus. if someone flagged you on the immigration list. Perhaps you pissed someone off and they are getting back at you.

A felony

Very fishy story. A New Zealander does not need a visa to enter Australia and has same rights as an Australian. He can stay as long as he like and work etc.The only reason they can deny him entry is that he has commited a very serious offence and is considered an undesirable. Thai immigration are aware that he was deported from Australia and therefore must have commited a serious offence and not a visa offence. (beceause he does not need one) Therefore he is blacklisted as an undesirable. If he had been deported from another country he may not have been blacklisted because he could have been deported for a visa offence and not a serious offence.

IF i read correctly he was not deported but refused entry, how would Thai Immigration know he was refused entry?

[Satcommlee]

I watched the Auzzie series Border Security... plenty of Kiwi's being refused entry for the same reason..

[Dork]

Big difference between deported & refused entry.

That is what i also do not understand, OP is not answering why he was refused entry to Australia and was he stamped .

How would Thai immigration know if he was refused entry to Australia?

OP must be missing some piece of the puzzle

The op did say why he was refused entry. It was because he has a criminal record in NZ.

The airline that carried him to Australia is responsible for returning him to Thailand and they are obliged to inform Thai immigration.

[lemoncake]

Big difference between deported & refused entry.

That is what i also do not understand, OP is not answering why he was refused entry to Australia and was he stamped .

How would Thai immigration know if he was refused entry to Australia?

OP must be missing some piece of the puzzle

The op did say why he was refused entry. It was because he has a criminal record in NZ.

The airline that carried him to Australia is responsible for returning him to Thailand and they are obliged to inform Thai immigration.

Oh ok, i thought he would have been stamped and this is how immigration would know/not know

Does the same apply even if he paid for the ticket back himself?

[lemoncake]

I could be wrong, but may be Thailand did not blacklist, but just refused entry as he was supposedly in transit back to NZ(due to being refused from Oz)

I am sure there is a way to check if one is backlisted from the country, anyone?

[LuckyLew]

Who told you you were blacklisted?

Contact the Thai embassy in NZ

Give them your name and have the confirm yes or no

Like just try applying for tourist visa

Taking the word of a contact of a friend is not something I would take as a sure thing

Find out for sure if you are

If you are .. pay to get off the blacklist or enjoy cambodia or the philipines

[Pattaya2000]

Looks like it was Australia that triggered the whole chain of events, presumably because they have your NZ criminal record on their system. After that you were just a shuttle-cock -- back to Bkk and automatically to home country because you had been sent back.

As I said before, you need to chase up the thai embassy in your home country for written proof of your name on the blacklist, because you may well not be. Reading your posts indicates that you assumed that you are blacklisted because Thailand punted you home after the Aussies turned you back, but that does not mean you're blacklisted.

The Royal Thai Embassy in NZ told me that there is no way they can find out for me if im on the blacklist...sounds strange i iknow

but a friend who has a good immigration contact was able to access the system to see if i am on there and yes i was

however this person was not able to take it any further for me ie tea money

[Dork]

Pattaya2000

Interesting that you say Australia once refused you entry but now you say you have a visa to work in Australia ?

What has changed ? Be aware that possession of a visa does not guarantee entry !

The Australian immigration computer system is one of the worlds most sophisticated.

I now have a maritime crew visa ( valid for three years ) and a transit visa witch allows me to enter the country by air and have 5 days to transit to my vessel.

however some help on getting back would be great..!

Feel free to pm me guys

Only my opinion but I think that if you really are blacklisted trying to get that fixed through official channels would be like bashing your head against a wall.

That only leaves the unofficial route. If I was you I would firstly try to confirm reliably whether you are indeed blacklisted. A police connection should be able to do that or an immigration officer even better. If that is the case then a good lawyer might be able to sort it out - for a price. Obviously you need to be very careful selecting the lawyer or they will rip you off.

Edit: I don't mean only a lawyer could do it. Anyone with the right connections might be able to. I only suggest lawyer if you can't find anyone else.

[jrtmedic]

Interesting thread re "blacklisting" below!

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/26999-thai-police-compile-immigration-blacklist/

[XINLOI]

Using the word "felony" is probably indicative of the writers home country !

Think it was once an English term for a serious offense that is no longer used, but the USA like to use it.

It is used in the USA for persons who have comitted a crime or crimes, that the jail sentence, is longer than 1 year and they also like you to wear orange jumpsuits......lol

[Pattaya2000]

Big difference between deported & refused entry.

That is what i also do not understand, OP is not answering why he was refused entry to Australia and was he stamped .

How would Thai immigration know if he was refused entry to Australia?

OP must be missing some piece of the puzzle

The op did say why he was refused entry. It was because he has a criminal record in NZ.

The airline that carried him to Australia is responsible for returning him to Thailand and they are obliged to inform Thai immigration.

Yes and i was escorted by a security guard and a sinaporeair rep to immigration where some paperwork was handed to them by her

thats when the sit hit the fan

[Issangeorge]

Apply at the Thai Embassy in New Zealand for a tourist visa, if they give you one try entering Thailand from the Cambodia border. If they let you in great, if not check out Cambodia.

Sent from my i-mobile IQ 6 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[Pattaya2000]

Who told you you were blacklisted?

Contact the Thai embassy in NZ

Give them your name and have the confirm yes or no

Like just try applying for tourist visa

Taking the word of a contact of a friend is not something I would take as a sure thing

Find out for sure if you are

If you are .. pay to get off the blacklist or enjoy cambodia or the philipines

There is no way the thai embassy in nz can find out if im on the blacklist

but from what i told them, they told me i would be on on it and risk being locked up if i try and enter

Siam legal quoted me 30,000 thb just to check

and the immigration contact that checked for me was a reliable one but wont give any more details on that as may risk loosing his/her job

[moe666]

It would seem you would have needed to commit a very serious crime in Thailand and been convicted by a court to have been placed on blacklist. Do not become impatient with the folks here most no nothing about blacklisting no more that you.

[jrtmedic]

Highly probable that you are, in fact, on the list

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/26999-thai-police-compile-immigration-blacklist/

[Pattaya2000]

Apply at the Thai Embassy in New Zealand for a tourist visa, if they give you one try entering Thailand from the Cambodia border. If they let you in great, if not check out Cambodia.

Sent from my i-mobile IQ 6 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

OK

Like i said i/we have to be very carefull in trying this

Lets say thailand refuse entry and advise cambodia im on their blacklist, then cambodia send me back to say hong kong and so on

Two more black flags

[Lobo4819]

Maybe the question that needs to be asked is, "What is the nature of the felony?"

Given the pasts of many who enter/re-enter/live/travel freely here, someone somewhere must have a serious issue with you.

Although you may see yourself as innocent, as many others do, there may be others who think differently.

The jails are filled with innocent people. Just ask them.

[Arkady]

You can get a lawyer like Sunbelt to enquire whether you are in fact blacklisted in Thailand for a modest fee. Or just take a risk and fly in to find out after getting a new passport, if there are any nasty looking stamps saying refused entry or deported in it. I think there is a less than 50% chance you have been blacklisted, since you didn't commit a crime in Thailand. They just routinely refuse people who have been refused somewhere else.

[maxman71]

Obviously the OP does not wish to divulge the details of the felony on his record in NZ...it's no one else's business unless they have a need to know or the OP wants them to know.

[phetphet]

Is there a time limit on your crime, where perhaps you can ask for it to be erased from police records? In some countries one can ask for their criminal records to be "wiped" as it were, providing one has stayed out of trouble for a number of years.

This might be worth looking into as a start. Also, applying for a new, clean passport, if there are any "refused entry" stamps might help. Maybe try and retrieve the email from the Thai Embassy saying you could enter as well.

[Pattaya2000]

Obviously the OP does not wish to divulge the details of the felony on his record in NZ...it's no one else's business unless they have a need to know or the OP wants them to know.

Yes the crime was a long time ago now and done my 4 months inside and 6 months home d but this sort of shit just keeps following you around.

anyway Thailand have not blacklisted me because i have committed a certain type of crime, they have blacklisted me because Australia

deported me because they classed me as a behavioral concern, non citizen due to been sentenced to 12 months or more jail for a crime.

As far as i know Thailand immigration have no idea of the nature of my crimes unless they have noted down the email i sent them over 6 years ago

giving them full details of the crimes and asking permision to enter the kingdom.

i think i got a reply the same day saying the coast is clear..

Anybody know if hotmail would keep records of my emails that far back...?

[wooloomooloo]

OP - rather than the continual run around, put your cards on the table and impart the heart of the matter. You're certainly not being straight on your own thread and only you know why you were deported from Australia and refused entry to LOS.

You appear to be looking for the perfect answer, i.e. the one that suits you.

Without further details of your predicament, you appear to be an undesirable.

Having read all the of the thread, I am not surprised. Sorry.

[Pattaya2000]

Is there a time limit on your crime, where perhaps you can ask for it to be erased from police records? In some countries one can ask for their criminal records to be "wiped" as it were, providing one has stayed out of trouble for a number of years.

This might be worth looking into as a start. Also, applying for a new, clean passport, if there are any "refused entry" stamps might help. Maybe try and retrieve the email from the Thai Embassy saying you could enter as well.

Yes we do have criminal record clean slate system here in NZ but it only for minor offences such as bad driving etc.

as for my passport, it is clean, no bad stamps or anything, so am free to travel to other countrys in the south east.

but yes will be trying to track down that email in the near future.