Thai Army introduces safer cooking gas cylinders

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Army introduces safer cooking gas cylinders
The Nation



BANGKOK: -- A new type of cooking gas cylinder that will disperse less lethal shrapnel if used as a bomb by insurgents was unveiled yesterday at a military research unit after it secured an initial approval from the Internal Security Operations Command (Isoc).

Speaking at a press conference, Isoc spokesman Maj-General Surachart Jitjang did not say if these Im Oon cylinders would be introduced for household use or if the Army would grant licences to civilian cylinder-makers for mass production.

The Im Oon cylinder is made of a composite material comprising resin and fibre glass, which would render lighter and smaller number of shrapnel, making it less lethal than generic cylinders that are made of metal, he said. The Isoc will further develop the Im Oon cylinder for possible mass production for household use in the insurgency-hit deep South.


-- The Nation 2013-09-07

[kurnell]

That solves the insurgent issue then. On to the next problem.

[kriswillems]

This look to me like a fiber-resin LPG tank for a car wrapped in a plastic cover. These tanks already exist as long as I can remember.

Here's a manufacturer: * Commercial link edited out*

Safety issues might occur as fiber-resinwill gradually will become less strong after about 10 years. Fiber-resin tanks have an expiry date and become unsafe after that date.

Most Thai don't even care about the expiry date for food - why would they care for the expiry date of their gass-tank?

The metal tanks can be used longer.

Edited September 7, 2013 by Scott
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[JoeThePoster]

Thai Army introduces safer cooking gas cylinders

The new Gas Tank 200.

[arthurboy]

Speaking at a press conference, Isoc spokesman Maj-General Surachart Jitjang did not say if these Im Oon cylinders would be introduced for household use or if the Army would grant licences to civilian cylinder-makers for mass production.

Although not stated at all, I cannot imagine that the military research centre designed and manufactured the cylinders from scratch, but simply bought a few from elsewhere.

​Military marketing? Whatever next?

Like the foul stench of gas, I smell a money making opportunity coming on.

Edited September 7, 2013 by arthurboy

[Gsxrnz]

And of course, the insurgents wouldn't think to tie a few kilos of 4" nails to the new composite cylinders.

It's a money making scheme for sure. Ideas as pathetically stupid as this are only good for two things - skimming cash and making a show to appear they're doing something, while actually doing nothing.

[doremifasol]

This look to me like a fiber-resin LPG tank for a car wrapped in a plastic cover. These tanks already exist as long as I can remember.

Here's a manufacturer:

Safety issues might occur as fiber-resinwill gradually will become less strong after about 10 years. Fiber-resin tanks have an expiry date and become unsafe after that date.

Most Thai don't even care about the expiry date for food - why would they care for the expiry date of their gass-tank?

The metal tanks can be used longer.

Thanks Kriswillems for the link.

They making it sound like it is the Army's brainchild but it is not. How would they grant licences

to anyone?

And why in this article, the information here below was not disclosed?

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[worgeordie]

So does this mean the insurgents are stocking up on

the old style cylinders,just in case.

regards Worgeordie

[fakename]

Why not take this idea a bit further, and manufacture bullets for the army, with only half the powder. Then when the insurgents raid an army base, and steal guns and ammo, the bullets they use will only go half as far!

[Halion]

Just anothr example of one of the many problems facing this country. The ARMY should not have any involvement in marketing or commerce. This is simply a perceived cash cow similar to the bomb detectors.

One major problem with composites is that they need to made using UV resistant resins or the will degrade quickly.

[marell]

Can the army's bomb detectors be modified to detect cooking gas cylinders? Or can they already do that?

Edited September 7, 2013 by marell

[noitom]

When I first saw the regular Thai style home gas cylinder tank in houses and apartments many years ago, I was shocked. Amazing that in 2013, they would be just getting around to a better design for Thai people. Not just insurgents and terrorists.

[masuk]

This look to me like a fiber-resin LPG tank for a car wrapped in a plastic cover. These tanks already exist as long as I can remember.

Here's a manufacturer: http://www.kompozitpraha.com/design.htm

Safety issues might occur as fiber-resinwill gradually will become less strong after about 10 years. Fiber-resin tanks have an expiry date and become unsafe after that date.

Most Thai don't even care about the expiry date for food - why would they care for the expiry date of their gass-tank?

The metal tanks can be used longer.

Do you meant to say that that Thai LPG tanks do not have an inspection date stamped on them? I shouldn't be surprised. Good on the Thai army for taking the initiative.

In Indonesia, it is now no longer possible to have a 15kg LPG cylinder. Apart from the shrapnel issue, the fittings there are so primitive that the contents of a cylinder could leak out overnight, and spoil someones day at light-up time.

[phuketsub]

The mind boggles.

[h90]

Two questions:

how can the army collect all the old steel one that are around so the terrorists won't use them?

As the resign will get weak after some years, specially if damaged on the surface. How can the army ensure that in 20 years we don't have daily gas explosions?

[HeijoshinCool]

Okay, but how does it hold up when it slips from between Somchai's knees, while riding his scooter, and the tailgating truck nails it?

[David Barker]

Sorry don't know what happened to my comment to the above but Repsol in Spain have been using these cylinders for a couple of years much lighter and they say safer but also they can track the cylinders anywhere if they wish which is maybe what the army want also the chip is able to tell them when its time for the cylinder to be scrapped

[Thaddeus]

Now all they need to do is develop a level indicator to show if you have enough gas to cook a meal before you turn the hob on.

That would benefit more people.

(and no, I do not see why I should have two bottles of gas just in case, ok)

[Scott]

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[ChrisY1]

OK...so the Army has hold of these supposedly "safe" cylinders...no doubt through a contact in China..or somewhere...money involved...tax money used in procurement..travel...graft.....and now they want to market these????

Anything the RTA does has to be suspect.....!

[jamhar]

Invented or not, still a good idea to reduce the treat of bombing related injuries.

Remove their tools one by one.

Its a long road, but you not going to get there without the first step, and the second step,..........

[Maybole]

Does the Royal Thai Army have the authority to license a particular tank and/or prohibit others. It seems like another power grab.

[PETERTHEEATER]

The steel cylinders do not produce shrapnel which is produced only by Shrapnel shell long out of use.

If burst explosively they may produce uneven fragments large and small. Each cylider should have an Initial Charge date stamped indelibly on the neck area and a Test Date. Because they are low pressure the ultimate life may be subject only to successful retest. The gas filling station is responsible to check dates and withdraw cylinders the are due retest but then TIT.

[AleG]

I´ll go out on a limb and state that this will prevent somewhere in the vecinity of zero bombings.

There are numberless ways of doing the casing for a bomb, fire extinguishers or any kind of metal pipe for example. In any case the damage comes from the blast and shrapnel, the blast comes from the explosives themselves and the shrapnel can be mixed in, ye olde nail sprinkled bombe and such.

[fakename]

So, the Thai army "invented" this bottle? We have had this bottle for years in Scandinavia. One advantage is that you can see how full it is, and its a bit lighter. Its more costly than steel.

I guess the Thai army will offer a good refund on a trade, then all the terrorist will bring them all in. Of course, when they bring them in, they will detonate them at the same time!! Will the army "invent" plastic fire extinguishers also, or how about plastic cars?

[surangw]

the terrorists will never figure out how to add a layer of shrapnel to the outside of the containers.

[surangw]

Two questions:

how can the army collect all the old steel one that are around so the terrorists won't use them?

As the resign will get weak after some years, specially if damaged on the surface. How can the army ensure that in 20 years we don't have daily gas explosions?

by that time, everyone that made a profit on the scheme will be long gone

[WitawatWatawit]

And when the fake ones hit the market? Will that infringe on the military's intellectual property rights? What? The military? Oh, haha, I see what you mean ...

[khunron13]

The hub of new gas cylinder technology!

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[sunshine51]

the terrorists will never figure out how to add a layer of shrapnel to the outside of the containers.

Nuts, Bolts, Ball Bearings, Nails etc...mixed internally work just as well.

In fact the insurgents in the south have been doing this since day1.