US government shuts down as Congress misses deadline

[Jingthing]

I really don't think single payer would have been possible for Obama to accomplish. However, I do think Obama should have STARTED the discussion at single payer and negotiated back from that position. I think this would have accomplished a plan closer to single payer. Yes, what is possible is all that is possible.

[samran]

First of all, Hilary Clinton at that time was never elected by anyone and that got a lot of people's noses out of joint. Secondly the population was not properly aged enough. By that I mean the demographics are now shifting towards seniors and there is critical mass to affect this legislation. There wasn't then because Baby Boomers were still in the early part of their careers.

Perhaps all that is true, but my point is that you pick the battles you can win. I don't think the president could have won a debate if a single payer model was proposed. Look where we are now with the budget deadlock. Obamacare is law. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of it, and it is still held hostage.

Single payer, while ideal, in the US context, can only be politically possible after a decade or so of Obama care to show everyone one that 1) government isn't scary when it comes to medical care and 2) that it still leaves people behind.

Not ideal, but you win the battles you can win.

[Jingthing]

The republicans continue to do all they can to sabotage even the very limited program of Obamacare. They want it to fail. In other words, they are OK with many millions of Americans not getting health care. In my view, disgusting.

[chuckd]

No, it's the Republican that are the ones with a sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them. Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt being charged up by the irresponsible and integrity-challenged Obama and Democrats. Sense of responsibility! That's what it is all about. The Republicans in the People's House of Representatives have it. Obama and the Democrats do not have it.

Obama and the Democrats rely on massive debt spending to buy votes. Obama and the Democrats in the US are an accurate parallel of the Shinawatra's and the Pheu Thai here in Thailand. With one it's Rice Crop Pledging and with the other it's massive government spending/giveaways. With both, it's all about buying votes with deficit spending that future generations will have to pay and suffer for.

Obama and the Democrats are out-of-control credit card spenders. Except that they are the ones to raise their own credit limit!! If you have a credit card and continually overspend, and don't pay even the minimum, eventually the bank will refuse to raise your credit limit and your card-charging stops. But Obama and the Democrats constantly demand that their credit limit be raised again and again and again.

For the good or our country and our future generations, the People's Representatives in the House must refuse to increase the credit card limit of Obama and the Democrats. They must stand firm in their defiance of Obama-Reid until meaningful budget-balancing negotiations take place. They must refuse to raise the debt ceiling until meaningful spending reductions are enacted. They must fight against Obama and his goal of turning the United States into the "Greece" of the western hemisphere.

People forget that when Obama first took office, he inherited one of the worst financial crisis ever (Republican-created). Just getting through that took serious foresight, planning, hard decisions, and yes, lots of spending.

This so-called "worst financial crisis ever (Republican created)" was officially declared over in June 2009. Less than five months after Obama's reign of error began.

Using that well worn excuse in an attempt to cover over Obama's fiscal irresponsibility is well past its use-by-date

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Recession officially ended in June 2009

By Chris Isidore, senior writerSeptember 20, 2010: 4:00 PM ET

NEW� YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Great Recession ended in June 2009, according to the body charged with dating when economic downturns begin and end.

But the news is little comfort to the millions of Americans still out of work, underwater on their mortgages or uncertain about the future.

The National Bureau of Economic Research, an independent group of economists, released a statement Monday saying economic data now clearly point to the economy turning higher last summer. That makes the 18-month recession that started in December 2007 the longest and deepest downturn for the U.S. economy since the Great Depression.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/20/news/economy/recession_over/index.htm

[Credo]

Keep trying Chuckd, maybe you can convince yourself.

Can you explain why the Republicans are at the lowest approval rating ever?

We know that is probably Obama's fault as well.

[puck2]

.........

I'm not so sure about that. I am afraid that it is going to raise too many people's premiums too high and will turn out to be unaffordable for those who are not dirt poor or have pre-existing conditions. IMO, America needs proper single-payer medical care, like most other rich, civilized countries have.

....... at inflated prices

I think Obamacare ist not the main problem, but the highest costs in the world for the medical care.

Germany has a dual-paying system, a private and an insurance system based on public law. And that's the reason why German and other European health care is much "cheaper" than in the US although it isn't cheap.

The European countries are happy not to belong to the "rich, civilized countries"

[lannarebirth]

First of all, Hilary Clinton at that time was never elected by anyone and that got a lot of people's noses out of joint. Secondly the population was not properly aged enough. By that I mean the demographics are now shifting towards seniors and there is critical mass to affect this legislation. There wasn't then because Baby Boomers were still in the early part of their careers.

Perhaps all that is true, but my point is that you pick the battles you can win. I don't think the president could have won a debate if a single payer model was proposed. Look where we are now with the budget deadlock. Obamacare is law. The Supreme Court ruled in favour of it, and it is still held hostage.

Single payer, while ideal, in the US context, can only be politically possible after a decade or so of Obama care to show everyone one that 1) government isn't scary when it comes to medical care and 2) that it still leaves people behind.

Not ideal, but you win the battles you can win.

The reason it is being held hostage is because it isn't sufficiently funded and the government is already running huge deficits. You just can't make laws and then by executive order say which portions you're going to implement and which you're going to ignore, then not fund it either. You got to look at the whole picture here. It's Obamacare in the news but frankly if they wanted to shut it down because the military budget was too high and they couldn't properly fund it without taking on more debilitating debt, well that would be fine by me too.

[chuckd]

Keep trying Chuckd, maybe you can convince yourself.

Can you explain why the Republicans are at the lowest approval rating ever?

We know that is probably Obama's fault as well.

Maybe the Republicans are at their lowest level being the same reason that Obama is at his lowest level...ever.

[Credo]

Keep spinning it Chuck, Obama ain't running for office any more. Oh, and the Democrats have picked up 9 points.

Your party isn't doing so well.

[webfact]

UPDATE:
Talks between Obama and Republicans fail to end US shutdown

WASHINGTON: -- The US President and Republican leaders remain at odds over how to end the partial government shutdown or whether to raise the nation's debt limit. Barack Obama met 20 House Republicans, including Speaker John Boehner, at the White House for talks lasting about 90 minutes.

No specific agreement was reached, although a White House spokesman said the President "looks forward to continued progress with members on both sides".

In statements afterward that struck the most positive tone in weeks of acrimony, House Republicans described their hour-and-a-half-long meeting with Mr. Obama as “a useful and productive conversation,” while the White House described “a good meeting,” though “no specific determination was made” about the Republicans’ offer. Both agreed to continue talks through the night.

People familiar with the meeting said that Mr. Obama pressed Republicans to reopen the government, and that Republicans raised the possibility that financing could be restored by early next week if terms for broad budget negotiations could be reached.

The talks came after Mr. Boehner proposed a six-week extension to the US debt ceiling in return for the President's promise to negotiate over budget issues including the health care plan dubbed Obamacare.

The president “didn’t say yes, didn’t say no,” said Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin and chairman of the House Budget Committee. He added, “We agreed to continue talking and continue negotiating.”

Voice of Russia, The New York Times, Sky News

Full story: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_10_11/Talks-between-Obama-and-Republicans-fail-to-end-US-shutdown-0293/

-- THE VOICE OF RUSSIA 2013-10-11

[notmyself]

This so-called "worst financial crisis ever (Republican created)" was officially declared over in June 2009. Less than five months after Obama's reign of error began.

Using that well worn excuse in an attempt to cover over Obama's fiscal irresponsibility is well past its use-by-date

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Recession officially ended in June 2009

By Chris Isidore, senior writer[/size]September 20, 2010: 4:00 PM ET[/size]

No, the recession ended, not the financial crisis.

[Scott]

Post with an inappropriate name has been deleted.

[Baloo22]

Could it get any more bizarre than this?

How much would it cost the US government to provide security to prevent people from going anywhere in that area?

Rangers arrest 21 for venturing into Grand Canyon post-shutdown

Park officials have been ordered to patrol the Grand Canyon 24 hours a day, seven days a week, a measure that’s obviously not cheap.

The Grand Canyon, arguably one of the most popular National Parks in the U.S., financially depends on October’s revenue, as it’s considered the peak season for tourism, typically hosting 18,000 visitors throughout the month.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/9/rangers-arrest-21-venturing-grand-canyon-post-shut/

Yes. It can get more bizarre! With Obama and his political appointees dictating the shutdown strategies, it certainly can get more bizarre.

Pisgah Inn is a 51-room privately-run inn/hotel along the Blue Ridge Parkway (which has remained open). The Park Service gave the owner orders to shut down even though it is a private business. Initially the owner, Mr. Bruce O'Connell, defied that ludicrous order. Then the Park Service sent Park Rangers to block off the entrance to his inn and prevent customers from accessing his inn and restaurant. The Park Service seemed to still have the funds to pay Park Rangers to block the entrance from a open road to the parking lot of a privately-run business.

This action, and many others just like it, are part of Obama's political plan to maximize the suffering of the ordinary citizens during the Obama-Reid shutdown. It's just one more crass act in the Obama "Make the People feel the pain" shutdown campaign.

As of today, the Pisgah Inn is back open. Apparently, the Park Service decided to remove their Park Service's Ranger-staffed blockade after Mr. O'Connell filed suit in federal court for an injunction blocking the closure of the inn.

I would not be surprised to hear that, sometime in the next year or two, Mr. O'Connell end's up facing a punitive IRS audit for his chutzpah in fighting back against the Obama regime.

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"Roadside inn reopens after feds tried to shut it down over budget impasse", Fox News

"Initially, O’Connell defied the mandate and kept his restaurant, gift shop and country store open. His attempt at civil disobedience lasted all of two hours before rangers from the National Park Service came to his inn, blocked the entrances and prohibited patrons from coming in. "

"On Monday, O’Connell told FoxNews.com that there were three cars and five rangers stationed outside his business in what he called a “24/7 blockade.” "

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"N.Carolina inn reopens after challenging government shutdown closure", Reuters News

"Bruce O'Connell, whose family has run the Pisgah Inn along the Blue Ridge Parkway since the late 1970s, fought back after being forced to close his 51-room inn at the height of the fall tourism season."

"O'Connell told Reuters he had hired two attorneys, one on Washington, DC and one in North Carolina, to file in federal court for an injunction blocking the closure of the inn."

"He refused to specify why the National Park Service allowed the inn to reopen, but told the Asheville Citizen-Times that government officials agreed in exchange for his abandoning the legal complaint."

[Credo]

Hey, if you don't like these places being shut down, they why don't you re-open the gov't?

[Jingthing]

Thank you wacky self destructive "tea party" nihilists!

The message was how bad Obamacare was (Oh no! Health care for sick people! The sky is falling!) But what they did was so much worse. Best support for Obamacare ever. They will never kill it now.

But sadly they will keep trying.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-october-10-2013-brian-jay-jones

Edited October 11, 2013 by Jingthing

[Baloo22]

Hey, if you don't like these places being shut down, they why don't you re-open the gov't?

The chances of a "re-open" government are much greater when Obama and Reid are not acting like spoiled, petulant, children and get in there an negotiate their differences with the People's Representatives. And get control of the federal government's out-of-control debt spending!

We should remember how important it is to stop and reverse the ever increasing debt being charged up by the federal government. A sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them; Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt. Without the pressure of a government shutdown or refusal to raise the debt-ceiling, the chances of getting Obama and the Democrats to reduce the out-of-control spending are nil.

[samran]

Hey, if you don't like these places being shut down, they why don't you re-open the gov't?

The chances of a "re-open" government are much greater when Obama and Reid are not acting like spoiled, petulant, children and get in there an negotiate their differences with the People's Representatives. And get control of the federal government's out-of-control debt spending!

We should remember how important it is to stop and reverse the ever increasing debt being charged up by the federal government. A sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them; Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt. Without the pressure of a government shutdown or refusal to raise the debt-ceiling, the chances of getting Obama and the Democrats to reduce the out-of-control spending are nil.

Sure. I'd have a lot more respect for the the anti government 'People's Representatives' if they displayed their concern for the debt by foregoing their government provided incomes, allowances and healthcare before they entered into negotiations.

But they are not.

The irony of it all is that they will blink....when their share portfolio's start taking a massive hit.

[Publicus]

Hey, if you don't like these places being shut down, they why don't you re-open the gov't?

The chances of a "re-open" government are much greater when Obama and Reid are not acting like spoiled, petulant, children and get in there an negotiate their differences with the People's Representatives. And get control of the federal government's out-of-control debt spending!

We should remember how important it is to stop and reverse the ever increasing debt being charged up by the federal government. A sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them; Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt. Without the pressure of a government shutdown or refusal to raise the debt-ceiling, the chances of getting Obama and the Democrats to reduce the out-of-control spending are nil.

NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Yet what is perhaps even more worrisome for the GOP is the “boomerang” effect: As the party has used the shutdown and fiscal fight to campaign against the nation’s health-care law and for limited government, the poll shows those efforts have backfired.

“That is an ideological boomerang,” says McInturff, the GOP pollster. “As the debate has been going on, if there is a break, there is a break against the Republican position.”

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop?lite

The above is in addition to data researched by the poll that I'd posted early today.

This post, containing more different and specific information from the poll, clearly shows the great majority of the US body politic reject everything the tea party and its voices say.

Republicans have been saying the above same thing for time immemorial. Conservatives need both new lines and something else new, i.e., reasonable and rational methods, strategies, tactics.

As in grown adult reasonable.

You're losing the vast and broad mainstream center-middle of the US body politic. It's no wonder you can't win presidential elections any more. If Barack Obama was so awful and terrible, then why couldn't you defeat him for reelection in 2012? Because the vast mainstream center-middle of the US body politic accept Prez Obama as a sincere man who is reasonable and balanced, and who intelligently has their interests in mind in his policies, priorities, programs.

Prez Obama knows that your statistics are real people.

[Baloo22]

Hey, if you don't like these places being shut down, they why don't you re-open the gov't?

The chances of a "re-open" government are much greater when Obama and Reid are not acting like spoiled, petulant, children and get in there an negotiate their differences with the People's Representatives. And get control of the federal government's out-of-control debt spending!

We should remember how important it is to stop and reverse the ever increasing debt being charged up by the federal government. A sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them; Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt. Without the pressure of a government shutdown or refusal to raise the debt-ceiling, the chances of getting Obama and the Democrats to reduce the out-of-control spending are nil.

NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP

<snip>

How are all these polls you repeatedly post and blather about going to help my grand-children pay off the massive and growing federal debt.

The debt caused by continuous out-of-control deficit spending. These polls and their blah-blah are not cutting-up the government's big credit-card!!

If this were an individual, a family, or even a private company, that continually overspends, charges on the credit card, and doesn't make payments; eventually the bank/credit union/company or whoever issued the credit card will put a stop to it. They'll freeze the credit limit (the "debt ceiling") !!

But we are talking about the federal government here. They have no such thing as self-control or fiscal discipline. And they can continually raise their own credit limit. A certain recipe for fiscal disaster! Adults do need to make the decision to cut up the credit card!

[Credo]

It's nice that you have suddenly taken such a concern for your grandchildren. Did you have any concerns for them while Bush was spending wildly on foreign wars? Probably not.

If you care for your grandchildren, like you say you do, you will be happy that they will have the opportunity to have Health care. I didn't. It takes more than owning a gun to feel secure when you don't have health insurance, by the way.

[Baloo22]

It's nice that you have suddenly taken such a concern for your grandchildren. Did you have any concerns for them while Bush was spending wildly on foreign wars? Probably not.

If you care for your grandchildren, like you say you do, you will be happy that they will have the opportunity to have Health care. I didn't. It takes more than owning a gun to feel secure when you don't have health insurance, by the way.

"But Mommy, Joey was doing it tooo "! That's your answer?

How about when Wilson, Roosevelt, and Johnson did it. We could go on for days on that. But it does not matter.

The credit card still needs to be cut up!

As far as health care; I ensured that my children had health care. My children, now adults, ensure that their children have health care.

And what do guns have to do with massive federal debt and out-of-control federal government deficit spending? There was no mention of a gun in my comment. Take one step closer to the computer screen.

[F430murci]

They are all pathetic according to the 60 % of America with an IQ above 80, so now the lameOs worried about job security are all of a sudden getting serious about their talks this morning. Truth is, none of these butt wipes really care anything about the country. They are just trying to rally their base for next election.

Sad part is the base they are attempting to rally are typically too ignorant or blinded by politics to see reality.

. . .

Thats the message 60 percent of Americans are sending to Washington in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, saying if they had the chance to vote to defeat and replace every single member of Congress, including their own representative, they would. Just 35 percent say they would not.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903531-nbcwsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-of-congress?lite

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The government shutdown isnt over, but an end to the stubborn fiscal impasse could finally be in sight.

House GOP and White House negotiators worked behind closed doors late Thursday to try to hammer out a deal that could potentially reopen the government in the coming days and delay an Oct. 17 deadline to raise the nations debt limit.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/11/20905319-hope-glimmers-as-serious-shutdown-negotiations-commence?lite

Edited October 11, 2013 by F430murci

[Publicus]

Hey, if you don't like these places being shut down, they why don't you re-open the gov't?

The chances of a "re-open" government are much greater when Obama and Reid are not acting like spoiled, petulant, children and get in there an negotiate their differences with the People's Representatives. And get control of the federal government's out-of-control debt spending!

We should remember how important it is to stop and reverse the ever increasing debt being charged up by the federal government. A sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them; Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt. Without the pressure of a government shutdown or refusal to raise the debt-ceiling, the chances of getting Obama and the Democrats to reduce the out-of-control spending are nil.

NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP

<snip>

How are all these polls you repeatedly post and blather about going to help my grand-children pay off the massive and growing federal debt.

The debt caused by continuous out-of-control deficit spending. These polls and their blah-blah are not cutting-up the government's big credit-card!!

If this were an individual, a family, or even a private company, that continually overspends, charges on the credit card, and doesn't make payments; eventually the bank/credit union/company or whoever issued the credit card will put a stop to it. They'll freeze the credit limit (the "debt ceiling") !!

But we are talking about the federal government here. They have no such thing as self-control or fiscal discipline. And they can continually raise their own credit limit. A certain recipe for fiscal disaster! Adults do need to make the decision to cut up the credit card!

An individual, a family or a business is not a government.

While the family is an institution of society, government is a literal institution of the nation state.

While a business is a profit making enterprise, the government is a service, In the democracy the United States is (yea, a republic) the government is determined by the majority will.

The shutdown radicals are an aberration of the system, given that planned and willful shutdowns of the government have been rare occasions. The most recent 1995-96 willful shutdown also was a disaster for its Republican initiators, just as the radical Republicans are the losers in this, their wildly conceived and executed shutdown now affecting all of us.

You like to have the world laughing at us? Shaking its collective head because of what you do?!

The banana Republicans.

[Credo]

It's nice that you have suddenly taken such a concern for your grandchildren. Did you have any concerns for them while Bush was spending wildly on foreign wars? Probably not.

If you care for your grandchildren, like you say you do, you will be happy that they will have the opportunity to have Health care. I didn't. It takes more than owning a gun to feel secure when you don't have health insurance, by the way.

"But Mommy, Joey was doing it tooo "! That's your answer?

How about when Wilson, Roosevelt, and Johnson did it. We could go on for days on that. But it does not matter.

The credit card still needs to be cut up!

As far as health care; I ensured that my children had health care. My children, now adults, ensure that their children have health care.

And what do guns have to do with massive federal debt and out-of-control federal government deficit spending? There was no mention of a gun in my comment. Take one step closer to the computer screen.

Glad you took care of your Grandkiddies. Obama is nice enough to take care of the nations children.

[Baloo22]

The chances of a "re-open" government are much greater when Obama and Reid are not acting like spoiled, petulant, children and get in there an negotiate their differences with the People's Representatives. And get control of the federal government's out-of-control debt spending!

We should remember how important it is to stop and reverse the ever increasing debt being charged up by the federal government. A sense of responsibility to our children and grandchildren and those that come after them; Those that will have to pay the massive and ever increasing debt. Without the pressure of a government shutdown or refusal to raise the debt-ceiling, the chances of getting Obama and the Democrats to reduce the out-of-control spending are nil.

NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP

<snip>

How are all these polls you repeatedly post and blather about going to help my grand-children pay off the massive and growing federal debt.

The debt caused by continuous out-of-control deficit spending. These polls and their blah-blah are not cutting-up the government's big credit-card!!

If this were an individual, a family, or even a private company, that continually overspends, charges on the credit card, and doesn't make payments; eventually the bank/credit union/company or whoever issued the credit card will put a stop to it. They'll freeze the credit limit (the "debt ceiling") !!

But we are talking about the federal government here. They have no such thing as self-control or fiscal discipline. And they can continually raise their own credit limit. A certain recipe for fiscal disaster! Adults do need to make the decision to cut up the credit card!

An individual, a family or a business is not a government. While the family is an institution of society, government is a literal institution of the nation state.

While a business is a profit making enterprise, the government is a service, In the democracy the United States is (yea, a republic) the government is determined by the majority will.

The shutdown radicals are an aberration of the system, given that planned and willful shutdowns of the government have been rare occasions. The most recent 1995-96 willful shutdown also was a disaster for its Republican initiators, just as the radical Republicans are the losers in this, their wildly conceived and executed shutdown now affecting all of us.

You like to have the world laughing at us? Shaking its collective head because of what you do?!

The banana Republicans.

And after all that, the fact remains that the federal government does not have the self-control or fiscal discipline to rein in their out-of-control deficit spending. And they can continually raise their own credit limit. A certain recipe for fiscal disaster.

The Republicans are not the losers in this Obama-Reid shutdown. It is the people of the United States. We do need Obama to start acting like an adult and negotiate with the People's Representatives and gain control of the federal government's out-of-control spending. The People's Representatives have been calling on Obama and Reid for negotiations since before the Obama-Reid shutdown began. It has been Obama and Reid that desired and engineered the shutdown.

We need Obama to spend more effort doing that and less effort coordinating his administration in selective "closures" designed to publically cause pain and inconvenience to the most people.

[notmyself]

And after all that, the fact remains that the federal government does not have the self-control or fiscal discipline to rein in their out-of-control deficit spending. And they can continually raise their own credit limit. A certain recipe for fiscal disaster.

How is the deficit spending out of control?

[Publicus]

Some people simply and plainly are not in contact with reality in this shutdown scheme and its purposes and goals.

These tea party radicals respond to voices they hear while out hunting in the woods instead to the facts before them in Washington.

[Ulysses G.]

Some people simply and plainly are not in contact with reality in this shutdown scheme and its purposes and goals.

Doing nothing but parroting dishonest Democrat party talking points fits right in there.

[Baloo22]

How is the deficit spending out of control?

About ten minutes of searching gave me these two charts below. Of course, this will start a "Battle of the Charts". And yes, charts and statistics, like polls, can be adjusted and twisted to support just about any point of view. But even without these charts, for an individual, company, township, city, state, or nation to continuously spend more than it takes in, and continuously increase such deficit spending is not fiscally responsible. Do we want to turn into the "Greece" of the western hemisphere?

If individuals had credit cards that allowed unlimited deficit charging without any control, how many individuals would have the self-control/fiscal discipline to control their own spending? Hardly any. But with individuals, eventually the bank/credit union turns off the tap.

Why do we think our federal government, made up of individual people, somehow will have more self-control/fiscal discipline. Especially when they can use such deficit spending to please specific voting blocs and in effect, buy those votes. And these same people can also increase their own credit limit!

Both the charts above are from http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us

[Baloo22]

Some people simply and plainly are not in contact with reality in this shutdown scheme and its purposes and goals.

These tea party radicals respond to voices they hear while out hunting in the woods instead to the facts before them in Washington.

You forgot the third line in your comment. Here, this will cover it for you:

These blind and unquestioning worshipers of their infallible Messiah Obama.