Pheu Thai to go ahead with charter amendment

[webfact]

Pheu Thai to go ahead with charter amendment



BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai Party leader Charupong Ruangsuwan today insisted on the amendment of the Constitution to achieve what he called to bring back the country “democracy” which the people could fix their own directions.

Charupong reiterated his party’s stance to continue the charter amendment though amendment to the charter regarding the composition of the Senate was rejected by the Constitution Court yesterday, and another amendment to the amnesty bill was forced to be withdrawn from Parliament following massive protest by all classes of the Thai societies.

Another 2 trillion baht loan bill is also on the list of facing interpretation from the Constitutional Court after the opposition officially asked the House Speaker to stall the bill pending petition to the court.

Charupong said that before attending the meeting of the party to discuss the Constitutional Court’s ruling yesterday and work out the party’s stance on the charter amendment.

Earlier he had adamantly announced to reject the ruling of the Constitutional Court although the Opposition said such rejection was a blatant defiance of the Judicial power and could subject to a rebellion charge.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pheu-thai-go-ahead-charter-amendment/

-- Thai PBS 2013-11-21

[Thaddeus]

Abuse of power?

[Pi Sek]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

[mrtoad]

Another step towards Caddy Number Ones version of Democracy. The Khmers must be looking on with amusement.

[jayboy]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

[Local Drunk]

Are you kidding me? Everyday, I wake up and read the news clippings from these morons and I think that it can't get any crazier than than it is today... But everyday I'm stunned!

[ggold]

Charupong Ruangsuwan today insisted on the amendment of the Constitution to achieve what he called to bring back the country “democracy” which the people could fix their own directions.

How to be democratically undemocratic, or undemocratically democratic! With the number of supporting red shirts dwindling, will it be 310 MPs against the Nation (the people not the paper) The end game appears to be we lost so we'll bring the country down with us.

Am I right in thinking that a number of the PTP hierarchy have already left Thailand, If so will they be coming back?

[Nickymaster]

Nice tie

[Local Drunk]

Are there idiots pushing for a military coup to make themselves look like the victims in the world's eye or a civil war where the winner takes all?

[Nickymaster]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

The UK has vote buying too? Which position does the UK hold on the corruption index vs Thailand. Sooooooo easy what you are doing.

[Pimay1]

Charupong said that before attending the meeting of the party to discuss the Constitutional Court’s ruling yesterday and work out the party’s stance on the charter amendment.

Interpretation: There ain't no rules here... When the deal goes down... We make 'em up as we go along.

[Local Drunk]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

The UK has vote buying too? Which position does the UK hold on the corruption index vs Thailand. Sooooooo easy what you are doing.

It's really a stupid comparison and really off topic to Thailand, indeed it's more of an insult to the person that you are responding to. However, what you are saying Nicky is that if it's done in England, it ok to do here?

[Nickymaster]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

The UK has vote buying too? Which position does the UK hold on the corruption index vs Thailand. Sooooooo easy what you are doing.

It's really a stupid comparison and really off topic to Thailand, indeed it's more of an insult to the person that you are responding to. However, what you are saying Nicky is that if it's done in England, it ok to do here?

No

[webfact]

Pheu Thai to resurrect Article 291 of the charter



BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai party will resurrect another draft constitutional amendment still pending in the parliament to pave the way for the writing of a whole new Constitution, said Pheu Thai MP for Chiang Rai Samart Kaewmeechai on Thursday.

The draft which seeks to amend Article 291 of the Constitution has passed two readings of the House and is still pending for the third and final reading after the Constitution Court ruled that amending the article in question was not unconstitutional but suggested that public hearings must be held first to gauge the opinions of the public.

Since the charter court did not oppose amending Article 291, Mr Samart said the Pheu Thai party would continue with ramming the draft amendment through the third reading of the House to pave the way for the creation of an assembly to craft a new charter.

The Chiang Rai MP disclosed that the party’s legal experts were pondering a lawsuit to the court against the Constitution Court judges on charge of abuse of authority.

Meanwhile Ubon Ratchathani MP Somkid Chuakhong said he could not accept the charter court’s ruling which bans spouses, parents or children of incumbent MPs to become senators so that the Senate can function as a check-and-balance against the House.

Mr Paichit Srivorakhan of Nakhon Phanom decried the court’s ruling as unfair.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pheu-thai-resurrect-article-291-charter/

-- Thai PBS 2013-11-21

[slapout]

When a attitude as is being displayed spreads so far and so fast, more drastic measures may be called for. It can be mind boggling how so few can creat so much hate and discontent over a issue that is aimed at the benifet of so few, yet affects so many.

[pedro01]

"Meanwhile Ubon Ratchathani MP Somkid Chuakhong said he could not accept the charter court’s ruling which bans spouses, parents or children of incumbent MPs to become senators so that the Senate can function as a check-and-balance against the House."

Why - because his wife is looking to become a senator?

Absolute insanity! Why is the UDD behind this change? Do they think nepotism = democracy?

[Pimay1]

Absolute insanity! Why is the UDD behind this change? Do they think nepotism = democracy?

UDD + think + democracy = oxymoron

Edited November 21, 2013 by Pimay1

[jayboy]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

The UK has vote buying too? Which position does the UK hold on the corruption index vs Thailand. Sooooooo easy what you are doing.

Like many of the usual suspects you struggle to understand the point.Corruption exists in Thailand and has flourished under different forms of government including military dictatorships and democratic.The "leader" of the current street demonstrations against corruption is himself notoriously corrupt.By some international yardsticks Thailand is now less corrupt than under the last administration.However that is not relevant to the subject under discussion which is the relationship between the different branches of government.The article by Michael Howeard deals with fundamental principles and is thus directly relevant to Thailand.

[thaicbr]

PTP HAVE THE RIGHT AS A GOVERNMENT to change / alter the constitution they just have to learn that there are rules when you do such a thing. The Constitution Court just reminded the about some and I'm sure soon they are going to remind them again reference the infrastructure voting.

PTP learn how to govern for the people of Thailand and you will not keep getting yourself in these pickles. You only have yourselves to blame.

[h90]

Are you kidding me? Everyday, I wake up and read the news clippings from these morons and I think that it can't get any crazier than than it is today... But everyday I'm stunned!

Every day when I think maybe the demonstrators should go home, and that soon their numbers will be lower, some PTP Member speaks up and convince me and the demonstrators that it isn't time to go home.

[MaxLee]

"The ruling Pheu Thai party will resurrect another draft constitutional amendment still pending in the parliament to pave the way for the writing of a whole new Constitution, said Pheu Thai MP for Chiang Rai Samart Kaewmeechai on Thursday."

So there you have it,.. and you really thought this was over???? Are you kidding yourselves. This is Thailand the land of breaking rules and corruption until the entire nation is dry...

[h90]

PTP HAVE THE RIGHT AS A GOVERNMENT to change / alter the constitution they just have to learn that there are rules when you do such a thing. The Constitution Court just reminded the about some and I'm sure soon they are going to remind them again reference the infrastructure voting.

PTP learn how to govern for the people of Thailand and you will not keep getting yourself in these pickles. You only have yourselves to blame.

What does it help if they learn about the rules, if the owner of PTP gives different orders?

[bigbamboo]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

That would be the constitution the people voted for to replace the old one which had been used and abused by the previous government.

If the current government can improve on it (and I'm sure they could if they tried) then do what the junta did and let the people decide.

Better to bow to the people than the politicians.

[thaicbr]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

The UK has vote buying too? Which position does the UK hold on the corruption index vs Thailand. Sooooooo easy what you are doing.

Like many of the usual suspects you struggle to understand the point.Corruption exists in Thailand and has flourished under different forms of government including military dictatorships and democratic.The "leader" of the current street demonstrations against corruption is himself notoriously corrupt.By some international yardsticks Thailand is now less corrupt than under the last administration.However that is not relevant to the subject under discussion which is the relationship between the different branches of government.The article by Michael Howeard deals with fundamental principles and is thus directly relevant to Thailand.

With your post ringing in my head i reread this:

"Meanwhile Ubon Ratchathani MP Somkid Chuakhong said he could not accept the charter court’s ruling which bans spouses, parents or children of incumbent MPs to become senators so that the Senate can function as a check-and-balance against the House."

So i ask you is allowing spouses,parents or children of incumbent MP's a good idea for the Senate which should at least try and be independent of the Parliament? yes or no?

[jayboy]

PTP HAVE THE RIGHT AS A GOVERNMENT to change / alter the constitution they just have to learn that there are rules when you do such a thing. The Constitution Court just reminded the about some and I'm sure soon they are going to remind them again reference the infrastructure voting.

PTP learn how to govern for the people of Thailand and you will not keep getting yourself in these pickles. You only have yourselves to blame.

I think that is a well made point.The PTP has been quite hopeless at getting even procedural matters right.A crisis was created where one didn't exist through the foolish umbrella amnesty, thereby yielding the high moral ground to the opposition.But on the constitution there's no doubt the elected government has the right to amend.It just has to go about it the right way.The Constitutional Court has rightly blocked the attempt, but equally there are some fundamental issues with trhe Constitutional Court itself, its findings, its makeup and its motives.Don't believe anybody who suggests any of this is straightforward.

[virtualtraveller]

Now, compare this nitwit to the following statement from the opposition, see the clarity, and holistic approach;

Point of clarification...

Many incorrectly assume that the Democrat position
regarding the Senate selection system is to retain the roughly half appointed, half elected format. This is not the case. Most democrat MP's proposed for all Senators to be elected but that the election process should be different from that of the Lower House. For example, I suggested that the election be from a list of professionals representing all sectors. Meanwhile, Khun Abhisit proposed an election which groups together provinces as a single constituency.

Either way, the main purpose is to ensure that the Upper House is not an effective copy of the Lower House, as Phua Thai would have it, given that its role is to scrutinise MP's and the government that is voted-in by the MP's.

Yours sincerely,

Korn Chatikavanij

[Local Drunk]

PTP HAVE THE RIGHT AS A GOVERNMENT to change / alter the constitution they just have to learn that there are rules when you do such a thing. The Constitution Court just reminded the about some and I'm sure soon they are going to remind them again reference the infrastructure voting.

PTP learn how to govern for the people of Thailand and you will not keep getting yourself in these pickles. You only have yourselves to blame.

What does it help if they learn about the rules, if the owner of PTP gives different orders?

Well they wouldn't be voting if there wasn't something in it for them... from someone.

[ballpoint]

And they wonder why the anti-govt protest continued after the Senate threw out their whitewash bill? With statements like this, it's clear they'll try and resurrect it at some point, no matter what the public thinks.

It really does look ridiculous when CNN and BBC report that Peua Thai are accepting the court's verdict whilst the Interior Minister and Labour Minister, two of the party's biggest names, say they "can't accept it" and the "low intellect puppet" (according to Chai-anan Samudavanija) Prime Minister only answers "ka" when asked about her next step.

This post and many others shows muddled thinking or simple ignorance about the principles involved in the role of the judiciary vis a vis parliament.The attached article by Michael Howard, scarcely a fire breathing radical, sets out the key issues.It of course relates to the UK where judges, unlike Thailand, are not tainted by political pressure.Several justices on the Constitututional Court for example were intimately involved in the drasfting of the constitution propagated by the military junta

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3618954/Judges-must-bow-to-the-will-of-Parliament.html.

The UK has vote buying too? Which position does the UK hold on the corruption index vs Thailand. Sooooooo easy what you are doing.

Like many of the usual suspects you struggle to understand the point.Corruption exists in Thailand and has flourished under different forms of government including military dictatorships and democratic.The "leader" of the current street demonstrations against corruption is himself notoriously corrupt.By some international yardsticks Thailand is now less corrupt than under the last administration.However that is not relevant to the subject under discussion which is the relationship between the different branches of government.The article by Michael Howeard deals with fundamental principles and is thus directly relevant to Thailand.

The article is mainly considering the role of the judiciary in interpreting terror laws passed by the UK parliament, and not major constitutional issues. Even so, it would seem that UK judges do indeed interpret laws as they see them, based on the evidence presented. The article is one man's opinion on whether this is right or not, and he makes the point that "I agree. Others do not". As the courts continue to make these interpretations, it's obvious that they also do not agree. I wonder how many of those who do agree, including Michael Howard, have actually come out and said they will refuse to abide by the court's decision in any of these cases?

Having said all that, so what? What do the actions of courts in any country outside Thailand have to do with those here?

[MaxLee]

half a year, is enough time to gather some more corruption money under the table, find new electoral goons to buy in their voting ideas, and somehow someway from secret staging grounds strike back with a vengeance...

Thailand the HUB of EASY-PEAZY-RESET_COUP solutions

[Thaddeus]

Pheu Thai to resurrect Article 291 of the charter

The draft which seeks to amend Article 291 of the Constitution has passed two readings of the House and is still pending for the third and final reading after the Constitution Court ruled that amending the article in question was not unconstitutional but suggested that public hearings must be held first to gauge the opinions of the public.

Since the charter court did not oppose amending Article 291, Mr Samart said the Pheu Thai party would continue with ramming the draft amendment through the third reading of the House to pave the way for the creation of an assembly to craft a new charter.

There's that word ramming again. So we can assume that there will be no public hearings as suggested by the Constitution Court (I'm guessing that it was a fairly strong suggestion).

Let's hope that enough PTP MPs finally come to the realisation that their individual heads do not have to be on the chopping block when the axe finally does come down.

Edited November 21, 2013 by Thaddeus