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Thailand's 'gilded age', the 'robber barons' and the 'what's next?' question


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Any resemblance between the Square Deal and Thailand's Square Face Deal is wholly in the name. In fact, they are almost exact opposites.

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We also have to continue swallowing the gravel as we contend with our own Pharaoh Ramesses II - who appears as Ozymandias in the poem by Percy Shelley (1792-1822).

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We also have to continue swallowing the gravel as we contend with our own Pharaoh Ramesses II - who appears as Ozymandias in the poem by Percy Shelley (1792-1822).

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You're right of course, this has no place in journalism.

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Fairly well written piece, even took a few risks with the anti-trust act parts ... but it lacked any bite itself. Lauding muckrakers is not the same as being one.

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This person is a prime example of what is needed more than anything here in Thailand. Education. World history and the sciences and math. With these three, they will have the skills and hopefully a map of what not to do.

Forget about most of these grand infastructure plans. Thailand will flood like it has for millions of years. Take that 2.2 trillion baht and spend the next 20 years getting the education system up to par. With this done, start to take on others.

Sorry BillyBob, peoples need to "want" to be educated. TiT...... wai2.gif

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We also have to continue swallowing the gravel as we contend with our own Pharaoh Ramesses II - who appears as Ozymandias in the poem by Percy Shelley (1792-1822).

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ramrod.. better to keep your mouth closed and let peoples think you are a fool.. than..etc etc....

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Fairly well written piece, even took a few risks with the anti-trust act parts ... but it lacked any bite itself. Lauding muckrakers is not the same as being one.

Muckraking, even if true, was not subject to civil complaint in the US, so we must give the author some slack.

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We also have to continue swallowing the gravel as we contend with our own Pharaoh Ramesses II - who appears as Ozymandias in the poem by Percy Shelley (1792-1822).

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You're right of course, this has no place in journalism.

It's an opinion piece. It has a place in journalism. Well done the writer for making me exercise the brain cells.

You've heard of "sarcasm"?

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That's right on target, and the Chinese blogosphere has drawn similar comparisons with modern China's rise, and the corresponding age in the US history. If you've ever read F. Scott Fitzgerald's "Great Gatsby" (or his shorter and more palatable works such as A Diamond as Big as the Ritz) there is a clear parallel between many of these Asian nouveaux riche and their American counterparts.

I wonder if the Asian nations can find their own inspiration in some of their native philosophies, such as Taoism and Confucianism, for a model of the ideal government. Friends in Laos said that, long before, the region was ruled by benevolent kings, but now is under the rule of corrupt governments. Who knows what shape future governments in the region will take?

http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/10/what-chinese-young-men-see-in-the-great-gatsby/

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I was taught it was the "New Deal", but I guess "Square Deal" will work here in Thailand. Just hope it does not take a 50 years.

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This person is a prime example of what is needed more than anything here in Thailand. Education. World history and the sciences and math. With these three, they will have the skills and hopefully a map of what not to do.

Forget about most of these grand infastructure plans. Thailand will flood like it has for millions of years. Take that 2.2 trillion baht and spend the next 20 years getting the education system up to par. With this done, start to take on others.

Yes!! Billy Bob you are so right. Particularly education of women, its the one factor that determines the prosperity of developing countries.

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We also have to continue swallowing the gravel as we contend with our own Pharaoh Ramesses II - who appears as Ozymandias in the poem by Percy Shelley (1792-1822).

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You're right of course, this has no place in journalism.
It's an opinion piece. It has a place in journalism. Well done the writer for making me exercise the brain cells.

You've heard of "sarcasm"?

You're right. Went over my oh-too-serious head. An emoticon would have helped.

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That's right on target, and the Chinese blogosphere has drawn similar comparisons with modern China's rise, and the corresponding age in the US history. If you've ever read F. Scott Fitzgerald's "Great Gatsby" (or his shorter and more palatable works such as A Diamond as Big as the Ritz) there is a clear parallel between many of these Asian nouveaux riche and their American counterparts.

I wonder if the Asian nations can find their own inspiration in some of their native philosophies, such as Taoism and Confucianism, for a model of the ideal government. Friends in Laos said that, long before, the region was ruled by benevolent kings, but now is under the rule of corrupt governments. Who knows what shape future governments in the region will take?

http://www.tealeafnation.com/2013/10/what-chinese-young-men-see-in-the-great-gatsby/

"The Great Gatsby" is the perfect novel to describe the privileged classes in Thailand, or anywhere for that matter.

Those who've read it can no doubt draw parallels between the story's climax and the Red Bull hit and run. In the story, the speeding car is a metaphor for how the rich live their lives - advancing recklessly, running over anyone in their way, without a need to worry about consequences.

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It is indeed a great and brave piece. Of course the problem here in Thailand and elsewhere in SE Asia is that the 'robber barons' have become premiers, presidents and occupy a few other significant posts!!

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Yes, a very good article indeed. And yes, unlike the Rockefellers, Kennedys, Vanderbilts, Morgans, and more recently Turner, Gates, and Buffett, to name just a few, the Thai robber barons seem to have little interest in giving anything back to the country that allowed them to become ridiculously rich. They appear to be men of tiny minds, with hearts of black coal. How many millions of dollars has the turd in Dubai spent on building libraries in Bangkok, or University endowments, or AIDS research, or Dengue research? What has he given back to society? Does he simply suck oxygen, or is he of any benefit to mankind? The Hindu sages say the more wealth you obtain, the greater your obligation is to mankind. Is this insect giving anything back, or is the whole purpose of his life at this point to cause grief? How about the Red Bull reptiles? What about the Singha empire? Do they build schools? Do they fund research? I am not saying the American robber barons were without fault. But, they did make up for it, to some extent with the work they did for society. And truly giant men like Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Warren Buffett, Leonard Lauder, Philip Knight, Paul Allen, George Clooney, Bono, and some others are setting a vey high bar indeed, either with their money, time, influence, or efforts. Will any of the Thai billionaires follow their lead, and develop some conscious awareness of their place in the world, or will they simply continue sucking oxygen?

I have asked a similar question many times.

I believe it is their aloof/unconnected ancestry that they pride themselves on that is their problem. For some reason they will not give back.

It is almost like watching a colonising force who have a blind faith in the status quo. Hopefully one day it will change.

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yes a good piece....copied from (the untold history of the u.s. co written by oliver stone and peter kuznick).....but none the less enjoyable .also an excellent book to read,the next time they start having ago at us english im guna start quoting hahahahahaha..some americans may not like reading this but it is an eye opener...wai.gif

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Khun Pornpimol is committing the offense that Thai's will not tolerate from farangs: he is talking about politics in America. He cites a few events in American history - some of which I myself was only vaguely familiar with, I admit - and then brings up the situation in Thailand. It does not apply. The two are not parallel or similar in many respects. Pornpimol; should consider that the culture in America 100 - 150 years ago praised the INDIVIDUAL. The strong man who stood alone, was confident and competent and rose above adversities to do what he believed was right, in spite of criticism. In Thailand - and I know that everyone in this country would tell me to mind my own business and that no one wants to hear my opinions about the LOS - but I will say it anyway: people here do not stand up for what is right; they do not offer solutions. They only criticize. America in its "Gilded Age," if there ever was such a thing, was very much like a Democracy. People felt responsible for their country and believed they had the right to fix things that were wrong and they supported the courageous men who rocked the boat and upset the status quo. Thailand? It is a feudal society, modernized to the extent that criminals have gained access to the old power structure. Criminal organizations have come here and moved in on the corrupt power brokers, dealing in real estate and slaves and mining with no regard for the destruction of water resources and the exploitation of the Burmese and Kmer workers who live in sub-human conditions.

Individual Thai's just want to pretend "Mai pen rai." They smile and be passive when decisive action is called for. They follow the trend - because it is easier than to resist. In this mess how do you see any good coming out of the current rioting, sponsored by the rich with vested interests in keeping the status quo and wrecking the work of the government elected by the majority of the people? How does this situation compare to America at the turn of the 20th century? It does not.

The only Thai leader who has done anything to alleviate the conditions of the poor in this country, who has stood for progress, is the man that the present rioters - supported by the rich power brokers - is so hated that they want to destroy the government structure to hurt his family - Thaksin Shinawatra.

I disagree, I can see real comparisons. Right now we have Suthep standing loud and proud and rallying huge numbers of people in protest to what they say is a corrupt Government. Yes Thai culture is different but to say that Thai people will not stand up and be heard when things have gone too far is insulting to Thai people.

There will always be individuals who are willing to stand up and shout. Whether they are credible or not is always a matter of opinion but History certainly teaches us that "eventually" societies collective consciousness does change when a Governments activities are unjust. To me the only debate is how long will it take the Thai people to sort things out.

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