Suthep to meet military top brass tomorrow (Thursday)

[fab4]

"Suthep Thaugsuban has said that the meeting tomorrow would be significant and could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule."

"... could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule."

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

It means Thailand and all its inhabitants will henceforth live peacefully and in contentment under the benevolent leadership of our most beloved great and dear leader Suthep

You'd rather have Thaksin?... because that's where we've been for the last ten years

And what about khun marks turn in charge - surely you can't have forgotten about those halcyon days?

[fab4]

"Suthep Thaugsuban has said that the meeting tomorrow would be significant and could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule."

"... could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule."

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

It means Thailand and all its inhabitants will henceforth live peacefully and in contentment under the benevolent leadership of our most beloved great and dear leader Suthep

You'd rather have Thaksin?... because that's where we've been for the last ten years

No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep?

15.7 million actually.

[webfact]

Protest leader Suthep begs Supreme Commander to meet today

BANGKOK: -- Protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban last night begged the Supreme Commander to meet him and military top brass as it is the crucial time to bring an end to the protest peacefully.

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

Suthep, who is secretary-general of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC), said his call for a meeting before 8.00 p.m. tonight with three commanders-in-chief of the army, navy, and air force, and the commissioner of the Royal Thai Police have all been welcomed by them.

He said the army chief, the navy chief, the air force chief, and the police chief have positively responded to his call for a meeting with him to clarify them about what the PDRC intended to do, with the exception of the Supreme Commander Gen Tanasak Patimapakorn.

He then begged the supreme commander to arrange the meeting before 8.00.p.m, as it would be the time when the PDRC would announce further movement to accomplish the reform task.

He asked the supreme commander to answer his phone call, saying he has tried to contact the supreme commander on the phone several times, but he turned off his phone.

He said now it only rested with the supreme commander to arrange the meeting as all military chiefs and the police chief were ready to meet him and listen to his clarification.

Suthep said in the meeting he would not press for anything from the military top brass, but merely wanted to explain them the reason for the reform before the election should begin.

He said if election scheduled on February 2 is held while the reform is not yet possible, it would only repeat the same evils that corrupted politicians would return again and conflict could break out again.

He insisted that he would explain the top brass that the people wanted to reform the country, adding that if his task to reform has been accomplished, he was ready to turn himself in to the police to face the insurrection charge, and will never escape from the country and will never return to politics again throughout his life.

The PDRC secretary-general said after the meeting with the military top brass, he would like to also meet the private sector, as well as senior citizens like Dr Prawase Wasi for consultation as he was an advocate to reform, and also former prime minister Anand Panyarachun who has experience and sincerity towards the country.

He added that he also welcomed the red-shirt leaders, with the exception of Jatuporn Prompan, Nattawut Saikua, Veera Musikapong, to join the reform if they really regard democracy.

He said he didn’t welcome the three red-shirt leaders because of their suspicious behavior and claim that they love and fight for democracy.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/protest-leader-suthep-begs-supreme-commander-meet-today/


-- Thai PBS 2013-12-12

[Zolt]

Awwww he's begging now! The poor darling!

[ricku]

Funny how he's gone from demanding to begging.

[fab4]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

Well good, now bang his ass up in jail and lets get back to the elections.

[adrian pinnell]

Surely they will arrest him later when he meets with the top brass?

[chooka]

promised to hand himself in again if he gets what he wants. Wasn't he going to hand himself in last Monday? The man is full of <deleted> and not to be trusted.

Supreme Commander to meet him and military top brass.

Wouldn't the military top brass be with the supreme commander and not hanging out with Suthep?

[Just1Voice]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

Edit: He also stated that he was sending his attorney to the court today to tell them he was "too busy" to show up to face the murder charges against him.

Edited December 12, 2013 by Just1Voice

[SICHONSTEVE]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

He is busy with more important things such as reforming Thailand's joke of a democracy!! Let him get on with his important job without nonsense distractions.

At least he is not shopping in foreign lands or weeping (before smiling at how good an actress she is). It might have been only 10 seconds, but she gets my nomination for an oscar!!

[Spare]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

He is busy with more important things such as reforming Thailand's joke of a democracy!! Let him get on with his important job without nonsense distractions.

At least he is not shopping in foreign lands or weeping (before smiling at how good an actress she is). It might have been only 10 seconds, but she gets my nomination for an oscar!!

If the result of missing 1 court cause will bring true Democrazy to Thailand, I fully supprt our Supreme Great leader Suthep for his action.

[chooka]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

He is busy with more important things such as reforming Thailand's joke of a democracy!! Let him get on with his important job without nonsense distractions.

At least he is not shopping in foreign lands or weeping (before smiling at how good an actress she is). It might have been only 10 seconds, but she gets my nomination for an oscar!!

Are you advocating special treatment for this guy and suggesting that the law should turn a blind eye to him? What about poor somchia who doesn't turn up at court because he wanted to get a haircut?

[SICHONSTEVE]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

He is busy with more important things such as reforming Thailand's joke of a democracy!! Let him get on with his important job without nonsense distractions.

At least he is not shopping in foreign lands or weeping (before smiling at how good an actress she is). It might have been only 10 seconds, but she gets my nomination for an oscar!!

Are you advocating special treatment for this guy and suggesting that the law should turn a blind eye to him? What about poor somchia who doesn't turn up at court because he wanted to get a haircut?

I don't know why he should bother for being charged for doing his job!!

[bangon04]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

Edit: He also stated that he was sending his attorney to the court today to tell them he was "too busy" to show up to face the murder charges against him.

In a real country, wouldn't this be a serious contempt of court? Apparently not serious in the Land of S****

[GrantSmith]

You shoudn't kid yourself. It cannot be denied that the government does have a majority, they have 300 out of 500 seats in parliament, now 300=60% which is more than 50%. As said the 5 parties did have over 53% on both the constituenty and proportional votes. Formation of coalition governments is normal practice in almost any democratic country and of course the mandate is calculated based upon the whole coalition, not just one party !

The only out of the ordinairy thing here is that the biggest party achieved a whopping 48% of the popular vote, even more confirming the mandate they did receive. PT achieved these 48% not in a dual party democracy such as the US, but in a multiple party democracy such as Thailand. 48% is an outstanding achievement, certainly considering the second party only received 35% of the votes, which is quite a distance away.

Of course this is all a moot dicussion. As PT alone already received a clear majority in parliament with their 265 seats. Doubts about the mandate of the government are silly as they clearly had a mandate.

Well if you want to continue to split hairs, here's another one: The Government is now dissolved and as such does not exist in it's previous form. So now what?

To continue on with your "majority" theory, is farcical, much like the previous Government given their inability to push through a bill of law that would've saved Chalerm from losing his head in a couple of weeks. Not only could they not get it through without trying to put "the fix" in, they got caught doing it and were given a wrap over the knuckles by the Courts for doing so. Now surely, if they truly had a "majority" why would they need to put "the fix" in? Utilise your given "majority" and "mandate" and push it through legally.

Formation of coalition governments is a regular occuring practise, no argument there, but to say the "Government" has a majority is not quite correct, a "Coalition Government" holds the majority. How is 48% of the vote a mandate for anything? The mandate would stem from anyone acquiring 51% of the vote.

PT received a majority of Sweet Fanny Adams, do the maths again kind sir, a majority would imply that they (PT alone) achieved 51% of the seats. As you enfatically state they received 48%, that is not a majority.

At the end of the day, the house has been dissolved. So really referring to "the government" is a moot point...

[chooka]

He also announced he was ready to turn himself in after he has accomplished reforming the country before the general election is held on February 2 next year.

How many times now has he promised to turn himself in by a certain date, and failed to do so???

He is busy with more important things such as reforming Thailand's joke of a democracy!! Let him get on with his important job without nonsense distractions.

At least he is not shopping in foreign lands or weeping (before smiling at how good an actress she is). It might have been only 10 seconds, but she gets my nomination for an oscar!!

Are you advocating special treatment for this guy and suggesting that the law should turn a blind eye to him? What about poor somchia who doesn't turn up at court because he wanted to get a haircut?

I don't know why he should bother for being charged for doing his job!!

What job? He is an unemployed tool who has done nothing but cause kaos and costing his country billions. Protesting is not a job. At least somchia getting his hair cut is contributing to the ecomony and putting food on his hairdressers table.

He is facing murder charges and not a damned parking ticket

Edited December 12, 2013 by chooka

[thaiguzzi]

The guy is crazy, hopefully they arrest him on Thursday.

He is after a civil war apparently.

Civil war won't happen until the Big Chair is vacated. After that, all bets are off.

[edwinchester]

Funny how he's gone from demanding to begging.

That is because he is very aware of his place in the pecking order.

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[SICHONSTEVE]

^{He has worked selflessly for the good of the people and deserves a medal for his effort.}

^{Just what has Yingluck done in the 2.5 years under Thaksin's control?}

^{Don't know if he has caused kaos or not as I looked it up in the dictionary to no avail - perhaps it is the concise Isaan dictionary (for dummies).}

^{Thaksin has cost this country trillions of baht (this doesn't include his ill gotten gains from raping the country).}

^{Shopping and going on joy rides in helicopters (when she should be working) is not a job either.}

^{If I was 'the great one' I would be more concerned about a parking ticket than a trumpd up charge that is going nowhere but the courts out tray.}

^{Waste of money and the courts time!!}

[sms747]

The fact that the top military people are meeting him shows they're taking him seriously.

Well they HAVE to take those behind him seriously

Edited December 12, 2013 by sms747

[oldsailor35]

If there is a meeting, the army should grab Suthep and under an armed guard, hand him over to the RTP then see what happens. The army can say they did their job. What are you the RTP going to do about it.

[webfact]

Thai Army chief denies meeting protest leader

Full story: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/688449-thai-army-chief-denies-meeting-protest-leader/

[TVGerry]

If there is a meeting, the army should grab Suthep and under an armed guard, hand him over to the RTP then see what happens. The army can say they did their job. What are you the RTP going to do about it.

Unlike the Shinawatra gang, the army is trying to broker a compromise and to cool the situation down. So no, they're not going to arrest him. Suthep may be the one making all the demands but he's not the only leader out there.

[ikke]

The fact that the top military people are meeting him shows they're taking him seriously.

Let's see how it goes. Hopefully, he and the military can come to some kind of arrangement and compromise. After all, all Yingluck wants is for the Shinawatras to stay in power. The military could be more reasonable.

The fact that the military are meeting him, shows they are cowards, they should arrest him as they serve the law, and there is an court arrest warrant.

[chooka]

If there is a meeting, the army should grab Suthep and under an armed guard, hand him over to the RTP then see what happens. The army can say they did their job. What are you the RTP going to do about it.

Unlike the Shinawatra gang, the army is trying to broker a compromise and to cool the situation down. So no, they're not going to arrest him. Suthep may be the one making all the demands but he's not the only leader out there.

Are you saying that Yingluk and crew are trying to inflame the situation? I actually thought they have acted very maturely and rationally in not over reacting and basically kept the whole situation under control.

Does the Army in Thailand actually have the power to arrest people on warrants? I know in Australia it is only servants of the courts and the police who have such power.

If he was man enough to attend court today on his murder charges then I am sure the court will arrest him and execute the warrant.

[TVGerry]

The fact that the top military people are meeting him shows they're taking him seriously.

Let's see how it goes. Hopefully, he and the military can come to some kind of arrangement and compromise. After all, all Yingluck wants is for the Shinawatras to stay in power. The military could be more reasonable.

The fact that the military are meeting him, shows they are cowards, they should arrest him as they serve the law, and there is an court arrest warrant.

The Army isn't there to enforce the law, it's the police. If any organization should be called 'cowardly', it would be the Police. Really, go enforce the law, go show bravery and arrest Suthep! But hey, they're allied with the Shinwatras so we really shouldn't criticize them!

[DonThaiToMe]

No, but the 12 million people who voted in the current government probably don't want Suthep?

12 mill is a small percentage of a country with 67 mill people.

The current government was voted in by over 53% in both constituency and proportional votes. A clear majority, leading to 60% of seats, again a clear majority.

Now what democratic mandate has Suthep ?

48% actually.

Hardly a majority.

Then someone paid other parties to form a coalition; as he did to form TRT..

Check your facts, please.

Since you like facts so much, please provide some proof regarding your accusation: "Then someone paid other parties to form a coalition; as he did to form TRT"

If you can´t, then you´re as full of it as the one you´re accusing of lying, correct?

[sjaak327]

And you're splitting hairs to enhance your argument...

They were not VOTED in to form government. PTP garnered 48% of the vote. This gave them first bite at the cherry to talk to the other parties to attempt to FORM a Government. I agree that how they formed this coalition is immaterial - shall we let the NACC decide perhaps? Anyway, I digress...

Majority equals 51% of the vote which then gives them the mandate.

Anything less than that, concessions need to be made/paid, backs need to be scratched etc etc to get the job done.

Don't kid yourself sjaak327 the Government does not have the majority, they have an agreement, one which PTP's "coalition" have the freedom to shift around and play favorites. This is not a unique situation specific to Thailand.

You shoudn't kid yourself. It cannot be denied that the government does have a majority, they have 300 out of 500 seats in parliament, now 300=60% which is more than 50%. As said the 5 parties did have over 53% on both the constituenty and proportional votes. Formation of coalition governments is normal practice in almost any democratic country and of course the mandate is calculated based upon the whole coalition, not just one party !

The only out of the ordinairy thing here is that the biggest party achieved a whopping 48% of the popular vote, even more confirming the mandate they did receive. PT achieved these 48% not in a dual party democracy such as the US, but in a multiple party democracy such as Thailand. 48% is an outstanding achievement, certainly considering the second party only received 35% of the votes, which is quite a distance away.

Of course this is all a moot dicussion. As PT alone already received a clear majority in parliament with their 265 seats. Doubts about the mandate of the government are silly as they clearly had a mandate.

Love the way you effortlessly move from PTP receiving a majority of 53% of the votes (incorrect), to the 'whopping" (sounds like Burger King) 48% minority. The way it translates into parliamentary seats looks much more impressive - a real people's mandate! You could be writing for AFP.

As you say - all a moot point, The facts are that PTP have acted illegally, lied, cheated (why on earth cheat when you have such a majority?), refused to answer questions and provide information, and openly cavorted with and took instructions from a convicted criminal. Billions of baht seem to have gone missing and very little has been achieved in 2.5 years. Most effort has been put into trying to find a way to whitewash the crimes and charges against their owner and thinker.

Mandate or not - the people have a right to remove a government that is so corrupt and treats them with such contempt. Remember it's not that long ago PTP were using threats and intimidation to stifle free speech and any adverse comments against them.

I would suggest many of the protesters who came out were people who voted PTP last time. They ain't going to be so easily fooled this time round. The intimidation, bribes, and vote controls applied in the N/NE might not be enough this time - certainly unlikely to be more then the "whopping" 48% !

I never said PT received 53% of the votes, I said the Government (coalition) received over 53% of the votes, which is indeed correct. I understand reading and reading comprehension are difficult, but at least try it sometimes. I actually specifically said 5 parties, and you still managed to think I said PT received 53%, quite impressive !

Their subsequent behavior doesn't magically remove that mandate. If they did break the law, there are institutions and procedures in place to deal with that. Of course they have already called for new election, in which the people can decide who they trust to run the country. I have no idea what percentage they might receive, and to be honest I don't care. I am not a PT supporter at all, but feel compelled to react when people suggest they didn't have a mandate, as they sure did.

[sjaak327]

You shoudn't kid yourself. It cannot be denied that the government does have a majority, they have 300 out of 500 seats in parliament, now 300=60% which is more than 50%. As said the 5 parties did have over 53% on both the constituenty and proportional votes. Formation of coalition governments is normal practice in almost any democratic country and of course the mandate is calculated based upon the whole coalition, not just one party !

The only out of the ordinairy thing here is that the biggest party achieved a whopping 48% of the popular vote, even more confirming the mandate they did receive. PT achieved these 48% not in a dual party democracy such as the US, but in a multiple party democracy such as Thailand. 48% is an outstanding achievement, certainly considering the second party only received 35% of the votes, which is quite a distance away.

Of course this is all a moot dicussion. As PT alone already received a clear majority in parliament with their 265 seats. Doubts about the mandate of the government are silly as they clearly had a mandate.

Well if you want to continue to split hairs, here's another one: The Government is now dissolved and as such does not exist in it's previous form. So now what?

To continue on with your "majority" theory, is farcical, much like the previous Government given their inability to push through a bill of law that would've saved Chalerm from losing his head in a couple of weeks. Not only could they not get it through without trying to put "the fix" in, they got caught doing it and were given a wrap over the knuckles by the Courts for doing so. Now surely, if they truly had a "majority" why would they need to put "the fix" in? Utilise your given "majority" and "mandate" and push it through legally.

Formation of coalition governments is a regular occuring practise, no argument there, but to say the "Government" has a majority is not quite correct, a "Coalition Government" holds the majority. How is 48% of the vote a mandate for anything? The mandate would stem from anyone acquiring 51% of the vote.

PT received a majority of Sweet Fanny Adams, do the maths again kind sir, a majority would imply that they (PT alone) achieved 51% of the seats. As you enfatically state they received 48%, that is not a majority.

At the end of the day, the house has been dissolved. So really referring to "the government" is a moot point...

Talk about splitting hairs ! By the government one would of course refer to the coalition government. Going to the 48% how is it not a mandate ? That 48% + 44% constituenty got them 265 seats in parliament, 265 out of 500 is more than 50%. They did not have 48% of the seats, they had 53% of seats.

Sure it is a moot point now, but claiming the coalition government or even PT didn't have a majority is incorrect, PT had 265 seats (53%) the coalition government had 300 seats (60%).

[stoli]

"Suthep Thaugsuban has said that the meeting tomorrow would be significant and could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule."

"... could mean a turn of the countrys democracy rule."

What on earth is that supposed to mean?

It means Thailand and all its inhabitants will henceforth live peacefully and in contentment under the benevolent leadership of our most beloved great and dear leader Suthep

You'd rather have Thaksin?... because that's where we've been for the last ten years

I rather would have the Thai people decide who should run their country, if they decide it would be Thaksin or his sister or whoever, than that is perfectly ok with me, hell I wouldn't even object if the Thai would choose Suthep, as long as it is done in a democratic way !

The PTP was elected, in a Democratic way. By the same people who are going to vote for the PTP on February 2nd. I don't see Suthep doing anything in a Democratic way. He just wants it HIS way. Another Thaksin, different party.