Six people wounded, three seriously, as Red Shirts and anti-govt protesters clash

[NCFC]

PTP's Red Shirt thugs are at it again!

Stay safe on the streets of Bangkok this weekend and next week guys, this event will look like foreplay compaired to whats coming... lets hope that the 'powers that be' see sense and do something before the bodies start piling up.

The Reds announced they were rallying in Phatum Thani. There was no reason for PDRC to go there except to cause trouble.

Same when the Reds held a rally at Rajamangala. There was no reason for PDRC to start shooting people.

Looks like Suthep has blood on his hands once more

Edited January 10, 2014 by NCFC

[LuckyLew]

Sorry to those who got shot ... but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight

Guess the PDRC were faster to draw their guns .. newcastle 1 - 0 sunderland

[LivinLOS]

PTP's Red Shirt thugs are at it again!

3 reds injured after being shot at

Look like reds who were shot at..

[Bluespunk]

Is there any news source carrying report of what happened? The OPs do lack detail.

The Bangkok Post seems to be saying that a PCAD march encountered a UDD group and violence broke out. Still not much detail though.

Edited January 10, 2014 by Bluespunk

[NCFC]

Sorry to those who got shot ... but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight

Guess the PDRC were faster to draw their guns .. newcastle 1 - 0 sunderland

PDRC have no rally in Phatum Thani. Clearly a group has gone there to cause loss of life. Question is were they ordered there or are they a renegade bunch of out of control thugs?

Edited January 10, 2014 by NCFC

[Emptyset]

From this it seems like the reds tried to attack PDRC and chase them out of the neighbourhood and PDRC supporters responded with gun shots.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE9UTTFOamN3TkE9PQ==&sectionid=TURFd01BPT0=

[Nowhereman60]

Now you know where some of those missing weapons are.

That appears to be an extremely well thought-out assumption, based on what -- and seems to confirm that you know jack-sh1t about Thailand and the availability of firearms.

Wow your so smart. Now pat yourself on the back for being so clever.

well it isn't rocket science - so no need to be complimentary.

Weapons stolen from police vehicles by protesters at the Thai - Japanese Center. So you know what you can do with your rocket science and your vast knowledge of Thailand.

[khwaibah]

Is there any news source carrying report of what happened? The OPs do lack detail.

The Bangkok Post seems to be saying that a PCAD march encountered a UDD group and violence broke out. Still not much detail though.

BK Post front page.

[citizen33]

According to the TVF regulars the thugs are all on one side. Yet puzzlingly this is also the side that suffers most of the shootings.

Edited January 10, 2014 by citizen33

[Bluespunk]

From this it seems like the reds tried to attack PDRC and chase them out of the neighbourhood and PDRC supporters responded with gun shots.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE9UTTFOamN3TkE9PQ==&sectionid=TURFd01BPT0=

Thanks for that.

[FangFerang]

I don't lean either way, so I can wait until the wire services report on this. It could have been anything or anyone that started it. The You tube video, machine translated makes many references to DEA, but I don't know what that means; however, the you tube lot (no surprise) was definitely anti-red. How many Thai people in the provinces have access to you tube?

All I know is it seems that the protesters were protesting the protester's right to protest their protesting, and so demonstrated against the counter-demonstration demonstratively, demonstrating that demonstrations were only demonstrating the demonstrations of everyone except those demonstrating countering views about the counter-protestor's counter-protestations.

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It finally happened! I have absorbed Thainess by osmosis!

[nottocus]

Here we go.............

where?

To hell in a handbasket

[Melpomene]

All I know is it seems that the protesters were protesting the protester's right to protest their protesting, and so demonstrated against the counter-demonstration demonstratively, demonstrating that demonstrations were only demonstrating the demonstrations of everyone except those demonstrating countering views about the counter-protestor's counter-protestations.

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It finally happened! I have absorbed Thainess by osmosis!

That's the most logical description I've ever read of this mess

[Emptyset]

From this it seems like the reds tried to attack PDRC and chase them out of the neighbourhood and PDRC supporters responded with gun shots.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE9UTTFOamN3TkE9PQ==&sectionid=TURFd01BPT0=

Thanks for that.

Also a report in the Post. Says much the same except doesn't say who started the clash, just says the two groups 'encountered' each other. Four injured, two possibly red shirts and one student caught in the crossfire.

[Sunderland]

Sorry to those who got shot ... but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight

Guess the PDRC were faster to draw their guns .. newcastle 1 - 0 sunderland

Nice fishing, but I only recall a handful of Sunderland wins in the whole of 2013. One was Newcastle 0-3 Sunderland and another was Sunderland 2-1 Newcastle.

[Sunderland]

Before tomorrow the blame will fall on the black shirts or perhaps the white shirts with their candles. I don't know about a third hand, it's getting more like the tentacles of an octopus.

[Mosha]

.... and the police were where? Drinking coffee?

[Bluespunk]

.... and the police were where? Drinking coffee?

According to this report they were trying to keep the two sides apart, unsuccessfully.

http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE9UTTFOamN3TkE9PQ==&sectionid=TURFd01BPT0=

[Basil B]

Presume the reds (rent'a'mob) will now be demanding danger money...

[FangFerang]

According to the TVF regulars the thugs are all on one side. Yet puzzlingly this is also the side that suffers most of the shootings.

I say bruther, amen...and I say amen that the righteous are indeed bullet proof, that they are protected by their divine chants anytime they march into areas where their opponents hold popularity, for indeed, verily, and indeed again, that their opponents are the children of Satan, and none can blame those who walk into the lands of the wicked while hating them, and then are innocently, purely, and without motive for such actions except to reclaim lost souls. May the Laird have mercy on those blessed sons and daughters of Truth that are so unscrupulously, scurrilously, and unprevokedly attacked.

There was nevuh, nevuh, neither corruption nor scandal in the great land, there was nevuh, nevuh, graft nor thievery nor a manipulation of votes before the scourge of this great land was born. Indeed, many know and say, that before the Great Satan came all Thais walked on water, and some, not all, were so pure that they did not and do not to this day even cast a shadow. Alas, that is being undone, unmade by the silky lies of unclean folk who are too simple to even know they have been indoctrinated by artificial prosperity into a false sense of loyalty for those who helped them and also secretly, diabolically truly hated their souls. It is our prayer that there are Re-education and Rehabilitation Centers built for these souls, for surely they know not what they do.

Hallelujuh!

(Above comment made in tongue-in-cheek mode, and posted as a brain teaser more than anything else. I still think both sides are so far from wrong that a u-turn from their positions would only lead them to that common burg of most world leaders: being Greedtown, freshly-decorated for the Annual Ego-Festival called election.)

Resume rants.

Edited January 10, 2014 by FangFerang

[Prbkk]

Myself, wife and child will be in BKK late next week and I feel a little bit apprehensive, If worse comes to worse maybe better to stay outside then make the dash to Swampy, anybody got suggestions.?

Monitor the situation but I would suggest yes, stay outside and get to the airport from a different approach. Aside from the danger issue, it is going to be very difficult to access BKK...if these events continue/worsen

[Prbkk]

Sorry to those who got shot ... but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight

Guess the PDRC were faster to draw their guns .. newcastle 1 - 0 sunderland

repulsive

[kkerry]

I believe the majority of people in the area in and around where this happened, would favor the government and/or the red shirt side of politics. For PDRC supporters to march in this area seeking support, well it's hardly surprising it didn't go down to well with some of the locals, but then I suppose that was the point of being there...

[Emptyset]

I believe the majority of people in the area in and around where this happened, would favor the government and/or the red shirt side of politics. For PDRC supporters to march in this area seeking support, well it's hardly surprising it didn't go down to well with some of the locals, but then I suppose that was the point of being there...

Maybe, but it wouldn't justify the attack. I read in the Post the other day that PDRC supporters tried to block reds in Ratchaburi, but police eventually escorted them through. Shouldn't the police be escorting PDRC, or are they already?

[MikeOboe57]

According to the Khaosod report the redshirts were actively seeking the confrontation.

The worrying part of the story is that the PCAD protestors were apparently anticipating trouble and came well prepared and armed.

edit: typo, as usual

Edited January 10, 2014 by MikeOboe57

[Sunisalom]

According to the Khaosod report the redshirts were actively seeking the confrontation.

The worrying part of the story is that the PCAD protestors were apparently anticipating trouble and came well prepared and armed.

edit: typo, as usual

The worrying part is that it has kicked off outside of municipal BKK already, and that guns are involved.

In contrast to some previous posts saying there are no demonstrations outside of BKK, that is far from the case. Certainly in Phatumtani, and Khlong Luang there is pretty much a 50/50 split of reds and PDRC supporters, and they have been at verbal logger-heads for months. I would be confident in assuming this to be the case in most of the BKK outer suburbs/areas.

On what we have already seen this evening, tensions will rise rapidly - as is the Thai way. Tomorrow expect to see more of these smaller events, and watch them spread. I hope Monday does not become a holocaust, but I have a strong feeling it is not going to be peaceful at all!

I sincerely hope that both sides will take some breath and consider what they are venturing into. However, modern Thais in and around BKK don't undertake to too much meditation and calming and consideration for actions before events.

I don't find it a laughing matter that posters here find it amusing to play odd balls, football game predictions and laugh.

Peoples lives will be lost... and nobody is a winner in that game!

-mel.

[F430murci]

PTP's Red Shirt thugs are at it again!

Stay safe on the streets of Bangkok this weekend and next week guys, this event will look like foreplay compaired to whats coming... lets hope that the 'powers that be' see sense and do something before the bodies start piling up.

not sure if you acctually read the posts you reply too? It says 3 reds injured - they have been shot at!

This time it was the YELLOW THUGS!

Seriously, when are people going to finally pull their heads out of their <deleted> and acknowledge that both sides are thugs. Actually, they pretty much are all thugs, some just use passive aggression to start conflicts, but it is all the same.

[LuckyLew]

Sorry to those who got shot ... but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight

Guess the PDRC were faster to draw their guns .. newcastle 1 - 0 sunderland

PDRC have no rally in Phatum Thani. Clearly a group has gone there to cause loss of life. Question is were they ordered there or are they a renegade bunch of out of control thugs?

"Clearly a group has gone there to cause loss of life."

A bit too presumptious .. who started the melee? were shots fired in self defence?

[fab4]

Sorry to those who got shot ... but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight

Guess the PDRC were faster to draw their guns .. newcastle 1 - 0 sunderland

PDRC have no rally in Phatum Thani. Clearly a group has gone there to cause loss of life. Question is were they ordered there or are they a renegade bunch of out of control thugs?

"Clearly a group has gone there to cause loss of life."

A bit too presumptious .. who started the melee? were shots fired in self defence?

Presumptious! I hardly think you are the ideal person to be discussing whether a group has gone "to cause loss of life" or not after your crass post

"but if you are red shirt and you go near a PDRC rally you are asking for a gun fight"

[animatic]

Well the history of red shirt attacks in the past 10 years against their opposite numbers

has always been more Clockwork Orange than a simple dustup fistfight. And after the

grenades thrown at PAD outside Gov house in 2006, that side has learned that

not being armed, is closer to suicide than practical. No surprise they are armed.

So, supposing if the reds did, predictably, go looking to attack as the Kaosod report states,

and used large fireworks, logically the other side would not just turn the other cheek

and let them keep on firing at them. Would you?

If the PDRC was static, in place, and the UDD guys came to them and attacked,

then we know which side provoked it. Just because it is not coming from the barrel of a gun

doesn't mean it is not a deadly weapon.

Is shooting back to repel a violent attack justified?

Well in most cases yes, but there are some to argue that were the PDRC

not trying to bring down the Shin Clan Machine, then there is no reason for them to be attacked,

and thus it is their fault. The other side can argue this is their duty and repelling attacks is part of their duty.

So as we can see, no possible middle ground will be found.